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Reply #60 on: February 05, 2016, 08:26:02 PM
I don't really know what to say other than I'm so glad I saw them in 2010 because so far that's been the last likely time I'll get to see them. Pata's condition aside, something doesn't align....there's no way you'd be waiting on guitar parts with almost 1 month to go....the rate Yoshiki releases content? No way. The wording is confusing but it sounds as though the album may release before the London show as they're reworking a new date.

Why does it have to be literally a YEAR postponement? The only fair excuse I can think of is that Wembley Arena simply had no availability until then? This really is dreadful for the fans....This seriously is a nail in the coffin. ALL that hype, ALL of that hope we had finally about to be realized and now it's gone. I'm losing excitement about this album with every passing month. It's going to require such an epic track list that I'm not sure the Yoshiki we have now can deliver...fuck. Glad I never bought travel for this.


ALSO....editing my post because I just remembered this now....doesn't this interfere with Yoshiki's own medical plans ahead? He made some tweet a while ago about like Album release -> World Doc -> Concert -> Surgery. Basically he is or was scheduled to have that wrist surgery done in 2017 and he wasn't sure how it would effect his ability to perform going forward.....Honestly guys, prepare for the worst. Being an X Japan fan is depressing shit sometimes. Their health does and should come first but it's the lack of information and how late that some of this info releases is what pisses me off. So either his surgery is the the second half of 2017 which means after the Wembley show, bye bye X Japan activities until 2018 most likely....and then by then, who is around to care anymore other than weeaboos and "nurse" screaming fan girls. Maybe that's all Yoshiki needs nowadays. Wembley to me is still a "glory" show, just like MSG, it's more about "we played these legendary arenas" than actually put on a tour for the sake of touring. Thank god for 2010 North America.

This sums up my thoughts. The hard truth was that X Japan was NEVER going to be a worldwide phenomenon. The peak of their popularity will always be what it is in the present, not future. That's why it sucks they never capitalized on the little hype they had in 2010 or now. At this point, they should just release the album literally asap. It sucks Pata wouldn't be able to promote it, but the delays have gone on far enough. I am so grateful I saw the 2010 tour, my only regret is not seeing them with my friend who grew to like them in the years since. Now it looks like we will never get to see them together.

Sucks about Pata and I wish him the best, but the album should have still been out in March and a year delay for the UK show is like pissing on the people that bought airfare. Inexcusable after Paris, Taiwan, etc. You guys should have still gotten a movie showing, album release, and a concert with the remaining members and a fill in. The show must go on given the circumstances. Delay tour dates, but not that silly x day gig
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Reply #61 on: February 05, 2016, 08:36:59 PM
I second that!
A lot of people will be there because they can't cancel the trip. And I will be really, really, really angry when Yoshiki appears at SXSW on the weekend where XDay was originally planned. Then he would have filled the gap in his calendar pretty quickly! >_<



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Reply #62 on: February 05, 2016, 10:43:00 PM
This sums up my thoughts. The hard truth was that X Japan was NEVER going to be a worldwide phenomenon. The peak of their popularity will always be what it is in the present, not future. That's why it sucks they never capitalized on the little hype they had in 2010 or now. At this point, they should just release the album literally asap.

Hard truth? Anything can happen. If someone asked in 2013 if X could get a documentary premiered at Sundance and then screened at SXSW would you have said yes? Those are both really big deals. You're saying they hit their peak and that they can't become a global phenom but I just don't think that's true. Timing is everything. Yeah the delay blows and the reason, Pata's health, is absolutely awful, but the outcome might actually be more beneficial. We might get more songs, the global market could shift. You just never know.

Sucks about Pata and I wish him the best, but the album should have still been out in March and a year delay for the UK show is like pissing on the people that bought airfare. Inexcusable after Paris, Taiwan, etc. You guys should have still gotten a movie showing, album release, and a concert with the remaining members and a fill in. The show must go on given the circumstances. Delay tour dates, but not that silly x day gig

How can an album be released without a member anyway? The fans are asking for a bad career move from the band. You say cancel the rest of the tour dates but keep Wembley with a stand-in guitarist.... ok, but then what? How does that help promote the album if you can't even tour after? You just let it drop and have a party without the whole band and then go stagnant until you come back and say, "ok, ready now!" ?

No way. That makes no sense. You release the album and then the entire band hits the pavement. You don't drop an album and then cease activities to let a member heal. You postpone the album, let the member heal, and then resume activities.

It really, really sucks for the fans but it sucks for the band too. No one's a winner right now and that's ok, it just is the way it is. Either way ppl would have found something to complain about with Wembley since it wouldn't have been what was promissed. The faraway date might have been all that was available... it's a major arena... of course it's gonna be booked months and months in advance.

I second that!
A lot of people will be there because they can't cancel the trip. And I will be really, really, really angry when Yoshiki appears at SXSW on the weekend where XDay was originally planned. Then he would have filled the gap in his calendar pretty quickly! >_<

Well... it's a lot easier to fly from LA to TX and tickle the keys for a few songs than it is to rearrange an entire concert overseas. He has the advantage of just having done the Yoshiki Classical tour.
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Reply #63 on: February 06, 2016, 02:47:03 AM
Holy shit you are an apologist for them. Yoshiki has severely dropped the ball since the reunion with communication and delays. I think he's great. He seems like a great guy with a lot of love. I love the band too, doesn't mean I can't criticize them.

This thing was supposed to come out in 2010. There's no reason an album should take 6 extra years to come out if you put your all into it. He didn't prioritize it. All the health problems, legal problems, etc are valid of course, but we received almost zero information about all of this. The fact that fans got screwed with flights and hotels because of these delays, and that it's happened again sucks. You ask how an album could be released without a member? Dude, Pata recorded his parts months to years ago. If not, then it's their fault for once again waiting so close to a supposed set in stone deadline. Under normal circumstsnces, I'd agree that they should delay. But this has happened time and time again. Those who put their faith in the band this time should get a show in the UK this month. Hell, why not cancel in January when this happpened? Give people time to get refunds and plan.

I will say, a lot of great things happened since 2007. Great shows (one of which I saw), new songs, the documentary (can't wait to see it), and hopefully a new album and tour with a healthy Pata. I do see your point of view given Pata comes first. Perhaps we are both one one side of the spectrum but this all still sucks.




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Reply #64 on: February 06, 2016, 06:27:01 AM
Holy shit you are an apologist for them. Yoshiki has severely dropped the ball since the reunion with communication and delays. I think he's great. He seems like a great guy with a lot of love. I love the band too, doesn't mean I can't criticize them.

Exactly!!!!

And Honestly, most of us have been X fans for so many years now, some of us for decades.... we know what we can believe and what not. It's always the same.



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Reply #65 on: February 06, 2016, 03:13:16 PM
All this talk about the 'new' album, the potential for promo disaster without Pata being around.... Have I missed something somewhere ?

This 'new' album has been advertised from the get go (more 6+ years) as a compilations of the songs they've release since 2008 and english versions of oldies (Rusty Nail, Kurenai).  This is the new album... it's been done and over with for a long time.

Sure, they can improve and re-record, come up with a final studio mix but that doesn't take years hell its shouldn't take months! We know what will be on this album and we've already heard these songs, some for over a decade.

So please.. stop with the apologies for delaying the album, that's a load of crap. Releasing a single compilation and stretching its marketing over 6 years IS an insult but you know what ? We'd still be happy with that and buy the damn thing.. that's pretty damn loyal if you ask me.

There is no excuse for lack of communication or proper planning. Plan B ? In case something happens ? Not for an organisation of this magnitude. X-Japan was a serious business with the means to guarantee their success post 2008 and besides balming the universe as if everything that happened was outside of their control, they haven't done anything to prove us they actually did want things to go right.

 It sure doesn't help that throughout all these years we've witnessed a very active Yoshiki (who after all seems to representing the whole band on his own) in multiple appearances unrelated to X-Japan. Of course he's allowed to do whatever he wants but it's pretty twisted to then turn around and cry over facebook twitter with apologies for delays, cancellations and keep on promoting all that other stuff.



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Reply #66 on: February 06, 2016, 07:07:47 PM
To be fair, the nature of the album changed. It was originally a compilation album but now it's a full studio album. That certainly warrants some delay, but not 6 years. Communication regarding that also would have been nice



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Reply #67 on: February 06, 2016, 07:22:03 PM
I'm pretty sure that the album is finished, I think they hold it back because they can't promote it properly right now.



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Reply #68 on: February 06, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
To be fair, the nature of the album changed. It was originally a compilation album but now it's a full studio album. That certainly warrants some delay, but not 6 years. Communication regarding that also would have been nice

Not trying to be an ass but track list wise, we know (assume safely):

- IV
- Jade
- Born to be free
- Hero
- Without you
- Beneath the skin
- Kiss the sky (?)
- Angel
- Rusty Nail (eng)
- Kurenai (eng)

And maybe something else although that pretty much fills a full "CD" and then some. Unless I am mistaken, all of these songs except Angel already exist in their final forms (singles or certainly recorded). Worst, most have for many years.

Or was there something entirely different being worked on ?



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Reply #69 on: February 06, 2016, 09:05:51 PM
Can't Violet UK fill in on X Day? Just a thought...



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Reply #70 on: February 06, 2016, 09:27:27 PM
Can't Violet UK fill in on X Day? Just a thought...

I like the thought but I can't help that the fans would be somewhat lukewarm towards that.

Though now would be a great time to spit out the album for that project and pretend it's 2013 again.
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Reply #71 on: February 06, 2016, 10:11:00 PM
Would be a big middlefinger! Like George R.R.Martin saying "I start a new franchise now, Song of Ice and Fire will have to wait for a few years."



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Reply #72 on: February 06, 2016, 11:20:01 PM
Not trying to be an ass but track list wise, we know (assume safely):

- IV
- Jade
- Born to be free
- Hero
- Without you
- Beneath the skin
- Kiss the sky (?)
- Angel
- Rusty Nail (eng)
- Kurenai (eng)

And maybe something else although that pretty much fills a full "CD" and then some. Unless I am mistaken, all of these songs except Angel already exist in their final forms (singles or certainly recorded). Worst, most have for many years.

Or was there something entirely different being worked on ?

I don't think Without You and the English versions of Kurenai and Rusty Nail have been confirmed. I mean, yeah Kurenai and Rusty Nail were on the original configuration but wasn't there mention of most of the re-recordings being thrown out? or am I remembering wrong?

EDIT: I just had a thought. Um....what label would be releasing this album? Wouldn't the EMI deal have expired in 2013?
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Reply #73 on: February 07, 2016, 05:19:44 AM
He said recently it was 8 new songs and 4 instrumentals, it seems we have heard 7 songs in some capacity and Kiss the sky is the wildcard

Either way, whatever



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Reply #74 on: February 07, 2016, 06:05:12 AM
@CreepyKlutz Who knows... According to the latest media reports around sundance, the album will be released "with a yet-to-be-determined label." -____-

@axlroseX It just said "Interlude", could also be just shorter songs with vocals, who knows. But probably nothing we already know...? Yoshiki also recently mentioned that they chanced it to 100% new material. (Whatever "new" means LOL)

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Reply #75 on: February 07, 2016, 01:16:43 PM
I don't think Without You and the English versions of Kurenai and Rusty Nail have been confirmed. I mean, yeah Kurenai and Rusty Nail were on the original configuration but wasn't there mention of most of the re-recordings being thrown out? or am I remembering wrong?

EDIT: I just had a thought. Um....what label would be releasing this album? Wouldn't the EMI deal have expired in 2013?

Seriously I really hope Without you will be on this 90%-done-album-since-2011, I want a studio version of this song with vocals!

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Reply #76 on: February 08, 2016, 10:38:02 AM
Yoshiki said recently that he gave up re-recording the songs in english and the album would have only new songs ("new" like Jade, BTBF...).

On 2010 Rusty Nail, Silent Jealousy and Kurenai were in english. In 2011 only Rusty Nail and Kurenai. When they played on MSG, Rusty Nail and Kurenai were in japanese again.



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Reply #77 on: February 08, 2016, 12:00:57 PM
Alright so the latest formula for the album is 8 songs we already know, have heard and have existed for at least a couple of years + 4 interludes/bridging songs a la Wriggle or White Wind from Mr. Martin.

At least that's for now... we shall see.

Meanwhile, Yoshiki hopped on his private jet to attend the superbowl and hang out with celebrities - sorry suckers who booked hotels and flights, life goes on, see ya in 2017 ;P



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Reply #78 on: February 08, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
Alright, you guys can say I'm an apologist, fine. Perhaps I just have lots of empathy because I know what it's like to aim for the same thing over and over and over and always have something go awry, even if that thing rises up from within yourself. Life is just not easy. Yoshiki's a professional but he's also a perfectionist. Now with Pata, things just clearly weren't meant to be. I feel so sorry for X fans who already booked flights and hotels for Wembley. Fans just waiting for the album? No, not really. Because I'm one of them and I just want the best album possible.

Alright so the latest formula for the album is 8 songs we already know, have heard and have existed for at least a couple of years + 4 interludes/bridging songs a la Wriggle or White Wind from Mr. Martin.

At least that's for now... we shall see.

Meanwhile, Yoshiki hopped on his private jet to attend the superbowl and hang out with celebrities - sorry suckers who booked hotels and flights, life goes on, see ya in 2017 ;P

/clears throat to butt in again.  ;) Well... everyone deserves a break...  8) come on man, you know even through Pata's health problem and Sundance that Yoshiki's been in the recording studio. 2 days are not going to set the album back since it's already been delayed.

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Reply #79 on: February 08, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
The problem isn't that anyone is upset with Yoshiki/X for delaying due to Pata's health. The problem is it's more of the same. Sure, the band deserves a break now and again (everyone does), and health issues have to come first, but they've been dragging their feet on this album for years, promising something that's never coming. On top of it, the album's description has changed so many times that it is, it seems, mostly material that's been complete for years. This album has been delayed so many times that now there's actually a serious legitimate reason to delay it. It had to happen eventually. Look at the amount of content they've released since reuniting. It's a joke.

I understand Yoshiki is a perfectionist. I'm an illustrator (which you can probably guess from my username), and I'm not trying to sound like I'm claiming any measure of higher success or discipline than Yoshiki has, but I do firmly believe in the mantra that you have to eventually let go of your art, because if you keep waiting for it to be perfect, it'll never get there. Give it your best, put everything you have into it, put it out into the universe, and then move on to the next thing. Being a perfectionist has pros and cons. When being a perfectionist holds you back from working because you can't get it exactly the way you want it or can't make up your mind on how it should be, then it's a con. It's getting in your own way. And let's not kid ourselves. If Yoshiki spent less time gallivanting, and working on projects like a comic book about himself, and focused on this music, it would have been out years ago. I don't have a problem that he wants to do that stuff. It's his life, and it's been a hard one. But don't dick us around.

The way it looks to me (and I understand my opinion isn't gospel), is that Yoshiki would rather ride the wave of his past rockstardom instead of actually being a rockstar and, you know, making more music. And that's fine. He's earned his status. He put in his blood, sweat, and tears into everything. But it's really simple: If you promise something, deliver. Do right by your fans. Yoshiki is a walking empty promise these days, and that's why news like this does nothing more than make me roll my eyes and forget about X Japan for a few months.

But that's just my two cents.

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Reply #80 on: February 08, 2016, 10:21:46 PM
But it's really simple: If you promise something, deliver. Do right by your fans. Yoshiki is a walking empty promise these days, and that's why news like this does nothing more than make me roll my eyes and forget about X Japan for a few months.

But that's just my two cents.

THIS.


The idea of the album already changed from re-recordings in english, only new songs, a self-titled album, a "so far untitled album"... He announced Born to be Free and took FIVE YEARS to release a DIGITAL SINGLE. Not even a physical one. They recorded 5 PVs in January 2010 and so far, nobody saw them yet.

He promises the album since 2007. So far he did Yoshiki Classical, toured with Yoshiki Classical, made 7326492374 appearances to promote YOSHIKIMONO and YOSHIKITTY... I can't believe that the album delay is because of Pata's health. He just needed an excuse. I can't believe that an album which is being recorded since 2007 and was announced to March wasn't ready on January.



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Reply #81 on: February 08, 2016, 10:31:36 PM
The way it looks to me (and I understand my opinion isn't gospel), is that Yoshiki would rather ride the wave of his past rockstardom instead of actually being a rockstar and, you know, making more music. And that's fine. He's earned his status. He put in his blood, sweat, and tears into everything. But it's really simple: If you promise something, deliver. Do right by your fans. Yoshiki is a walking empty promise these days, and that's why news like this does nothing more than make me roll my eyes and forget about X Japan for a few months.
I think you're right, but he acts differently. Most fans would've been pleased if they just did some "Best of" tours since 2009. Instead, Yoshiki frequently promised new music. Now the shows are 50% new material(should be less, in my opinion), but still no new album. It seems stupid, also businesswise. You want concertgoers to buy your album the day after the show, not 5 years later.
Imagine U2 pulling off that kind of stuff.



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Reply #82 on: February 08, 2016, 11:25:59 PM
The rooftop "live" videos in LA.
The Kurenai and Rusty Nail story videos.
The Jade-Born To Be Free-IV. vampire story music videos for album promo. (I.V. was supposed to be the original 3rd single, right?)
The recently filmed Hero video which I highly doubt has even been edited.

That's at least 10 music videos that haven't seen the light of day. (I'm not necessarily counting the "LA Premium Prototype" dvd as an official release)

Seems like a lot of money to throw at those to never utilize.






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Reply #83 on: February 08, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
That's my point, it just seems unprofessional and not very dependable for other people involved.



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Reply #84 on: February 09, 2016, 12:07:21 PM
That's my point, it just seems unprofessional and not very dependable for other people involved.

And you are entirely right, that's what is mind buggling to me. No one is denying that Toshi's horrible cult experience, Taiji's passing, Yoshiki's health (although that one...eh) and now Pata's health all played a role in affecting their roadmap but they can't by themselves justify the complete lack of profesionnalism this band has exibited for the past, almost decade (wow!).

You truly have to have a lot of disposable income to film all those videos and never use or release them! Cancellations (note the 's') happened last minute, were poorly communicated and dealt with as a minor annoyance by the band. For someone who enjoys posting selfies of himself travelling the world every 10 minutes, Yoshiki was rather short on explanation for any delays or questions and kept on victimizing through the whole ordeals to get sympathy from his fan base (and it mostly worked).

X-Japan (Yoshiki) is an empire, a profesionnal band with a leader who happens to be an incredibly successfull businessman, something most band don't even have. What we are witnessing is not normal, certainly not profesionnal.



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Reply #85 on: February 09, 2016, 12:26:48 PM
For someone who enjoys posting selfies of himself travelling the world every 10 minutes, Yoshiki was rather short on explanation for any delays or questions and kept on victimizing through the whole ordeals to get sympathy from his fan base (and it mostly worked).

There was actually a twitter project by Japanese fans, sending X-pose pictures and comforting words to Yoshiki...
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Reply #86 on: February 09, 2016, 03:33:52 PM
For someone who enjoys posting selfies of himself travelling the world every 10 minutes, Yoshiki was rather short on explanation for any delays or questions and kept on victimizing through the whole ordeals to get sympathy from his fan base (and it mostly worked).

There was actually a twitter project by Japanese fans, sending X-pose pictures and comforting words to Yoshiki...
Not to Pata, no, to YOSHIKI! -____-

This is part of the problem. Yoshiki knows he literally has SHEEP for fans. They will follow him no matter what and love him unconditionally. This is mainly why we get the treatment that we do. Yoshiki will milk all of these other side projects and annoy us to no end with tweets about him hanging out with that Marc Benioff guy, lots of other celebs, etc ...living the good life. It's actually too bad that no one who actually knows a lot about X Japan has had the chance to interview him properly because I'd be asking the TOUGH questions if it were me.

It's an absolute disgrace the way he has handled this new album and he should take full accountability for it. Remember years ago all that hype about them signing with EMI on a 3 year contract or something? LOL what the hell was that even for? Watch us not even get a physical release for this new album. It will probably be a tracklist that we've already predicted minus 1 or 2 songs maybe, some stupid album art of a blonde model and he'll call it the best thing he's ever done.



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Reply #87 on: February 09, 2016, 07:10:48 PM
Sums it up perfectly

They should just use the dragon logo with a white background, call the album X Japan, and release whatever is done album this point



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Reply #88 on: February 09, 2016, 09:07:26 PM
Remember years ago all that hype about them signing with EMI on a 3 year contract or something? LOL what the hell was that even for? Watch us not even get a physical release for this new album. It will probably be a tracklist that we've already predicted minus 1 or 2 songs maybe, some stupid album art of a blonde model and he'll call it the best thing he's ever done.

Does anyone know if the album is released on EMI? Or maybe just published by them? I can't imagine they have a normal record deal, or the company would've killed Yoshiki by now.
Ah, so much bitterness about X in my heart and on this forum right now. But let's not forget: For all we now, Pata might be fighting death right now. I wish him all the best, god bless him.



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Reply #89 on: February 09, 2016, 10:56:42 PM
Remember years ago all that hype about them signing with EMI on a 3 year contract or something? LOL what the hell was that even for? Watch us not even get a physical release for this new album. It will probably be a tracklist that we've already predicted minus 1 or 2 songs maybe, some stupid album art of a blonde model and he'll call it the best thing he's ever done.

Does anyone know if the album is released on EMI? Or maybe just published by them? I can't imagine they have a normal record deal, or the company would've killed Yoshiki by now.
Ah, so much bitterness about X in my heart and on this forum right now. But let's not forget: For all we now, Pata might be fighting death right now. I wish him all the best, god bless him.


As much as I care about their personal health, Pata is in the recovery period right now and the main reason for the cancellation(s) are doctors orders on not to fly or travel. I think the worst is over for Pata, he's been treated.