Angel will be released on July 28th

Tahemet · **Reply #30 on:** June 23, 2023, 03:09:23 PM

Quote from: mC on June 23, 2023, 08:15:32 AM

Yes, Yoshiki has quite the number of loose ends to keep track of. I know this sounds extremely dark, but I do sometimes wonder if we will see more material from Yoshiki after he passes?

I now really hope that Angel's release date isn't pushed back...I wouldn't be surprised. But, considering X Japan seems finished at this stage, and the new album isn't even on the horizon, I am really looking forward to at least hearing a new recording....

I hope that day is far away.

Very often after an artist dies suddenly "new" material will be released, because hey "Cash cow"
(and of course old material will be re-released)

Joker · **Reply #31 on:** June 29, 2023, 05:05:48 PM

It can always get worse
https://twitter.com/YoshikiOfficial/status/1674307176977022976

Yoshiki says he will sing Angel on TV.

axlroseX · **Reply #32 on:** June 29, 2023, 06:37:20 PM

magucathy · **Reply #33 on:** June 30, 2023, 09:05:17 PM

What....? Let's sit down, get some wine and enjoy the show together.

mC · **Reply #34 on:** July 01, 2023, 06:32:44 PM

https://youtu.be/8vPRKWoE4OY

axlroseX · **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2023, 11:41:56 PM

I think he did great!

Beauty/Broken · **Reply #36 on:** July 02, 2023, 09:02:19 AM

It's ironic that a few days ago Yoshiki was saying that he thinks that generative AI will be the death of music, and then he goes and uses it to create a version of his voice that can hold a tune so he can mime on TV...

That's how he's done this, by the way - just in case anyone has any doubt.

magucathy · **Reply #37 on:** July 02, 2023, 10:59:21 AM

I think he did a great job. At this point, I will be very happy if Hyde sings this song. Anyway Yoshiki's voice is not a good singer's voice IMO.

Tahemet · **Reply #38 on:** July 02, 2023, 03:44:54 PM

Quote from: Beauty/Broken on July 02, 2023, 09:02:19 AM

It's ironic that a few days ago Yoshiki was saying that he thinks that generative AI will be the death of music, and then he goes and uses it to create a version of his voice that can hold a tune so he can mime on TV...

That's how he's done this, by the way - just in case anyone has any doubt.

any proof for that claim?

Tahemet · **Reply #39 on:** July 02, 2023, 03:49:16 PM

No, he isn't a singer, but I liked his performance.
He adjusted the key to fit his range and some singing lessons with a good teacher can do wonders.

Beauty/Broken · **Reply #40 on:** July 02, 2023, 04:40:42 PM

Quote from: Tahemet on July 02, 2023, 03:44:54 PM

Quote from: Beauty/Broken on July 02, 2023, 09:02:19 AM
It's ironic that a few days ago Yoshiki was saying that he thinks that generative AI will be the death of music, and then he goes and uses it to create a version of his voice that can hold a tune so he can mime on TV...

That's how he's done this, by the way - just in case anyone has any doubt.

any proof for that claim?

I've been involved in music production for nearly 20 years and I spend most of my day job at the moment working with generative AI. I trust my ears!

It is masked to an extent in the verse by the breathy overtones of Yoshiki's voice (which the AI will have been trained on extensively) but when it goes into the chorus it becomes very 'uncanny valley' - like a robot singing with the transients from Yoshiki's voice.

Listen to this example of someone training AI on Freddie Mercury's voice and you might hear some similarities - it captures the rasp and timbres of his voice very well, but in some of the longer and higher notes it's... not quite right.

https://youtu.be/XiZtIARF0iM

If you don't trust me at that, then fine - but ask yourself why Yoshiki has waited 40 years to magically show the world he can hold a perfect pitch?

Maybe it's because there is now technology than can reproduce his voice... or maybe it's just a big coincidence and Yoshiki has been shy this entire time.

Tahemet · **Reply #41 on:** July 02, 2023, 08:58:54 PM

Quote from: Beauty/Broken on July 02, 2023, 04:40:42 PM

I've been involved in music production for nearly 20 years and I spend most of my day job at the moment working with generative AI. I trust my ears!

It is masked to an extent in the verse by the breathy overtones of Yoshiki's voice (which the AI will have been trained on extensively) but when it goes into the chorus it becomes very 'uncanny valley' - like a robot singing with the transients from Yoshiki's voice.

Listen to this example of someone training AI on Freddie Mercury's voice and you might hear some similarities - it captures the rasp and timbres of his voice very well, but in some of the longer and higher notes it's... not quite right.

https://youtu.be/XiZtIARF0iM

If you don't trust me at that, then fine - but ask yourself why Yoshiki has waited 40 years to magically show the world he can hold a perfect pitch?

Maybe it's because there is now technology than can reproduce his voice... or maybe it's just a big coincidence and Yoshiki has been shy this entire time.

thanks for your insight, if you are in the business then you obviously have some knowledge about this topic.

Now...I think we all have been surprised about his announcement.
Let's see if this was a one time occurence or if he intend to sing more often.

Any guessen what will be announced during the press conference on Tuesday in Paris?

Tahemet · **Reply #42 on:** July 04, 2023, 10:27:12 AM

Quote from: magucathy on July 02, 2023, 10:59:21 AM

I think he did a great job. At this point, I will be very happy if Hyde sings this song. Anyway Yoshiki's voice is not a good singer's voice IMO.

I am fine with Hyde replacing Toshi if it means more songs will be released.

axlroseX · **Reply #43 on:** July 04, 2023, 03:07:24 PM

Quote from: Tahemet on July 04, 2023, 10:27:12 AM

Quote from: magucathy on July 02, 2023, 10:59:21 AM
I think he did a great job. At this point, I will be very happy if Hyde sings this song. Anyway Yoshiki's voice is not a good singer's voice IMO.

I am fine with Hyde replacing Toshi if it means more songs will be released.

At this point I guess I agree

Tahemet · **Reply #44 on:** July 04, 2023, 05:51:00 PM

At today's press conference in Paris someone asked Yoshiki if he would work with Toshi again.

His answer "Yes, I hope so!"

Then he went on to say that he wants to perform with his band soon again but until October he is busied with the Classical Concerts

axlroseX · **Reply #45 on:** July 27, 2023, 02:41:41 PM

It actually came out! No guitar solo, but Toshi’s vocals are intact

Not the most amazing song I’ve heard, but it has some nice melody’s and Toshi sounds good

Tahemet · **Reply #46 on:** July 27, 2023, 03:18:12 PM

I have only seen a youtube video from an UNOFFICIAL source.
so my question is if this is really the official version?

Tahemet · **Reply #47 on:** July 27, 2023, 04:21:51 PM

ok, the link was tweeted by Yoshiki Channel so I assume it is legit.

I like the song.

The piano version actually fits the song quite well

RoseOfPain · **Reply #48 on:** July 27, 2023, 04:24:11 PM

I think its terribly boring, but at least its sort of a sign of life, I guess.

magucathy · **Reply #49 on:** July 27, 2023, 09:11:50 PM

Quote from: RoseOfPain on July 27, 2023, 04:24:11 PM

I think its terribly boring, but at least its sort of a sign of life, I guess.

Yes, it sounds boring the first time I heard it. The melody is very beautiful, Toshi's voice is very nice and clear. I think I will like it more if I hear it more.

Kasumi · **Reply #50 on:** July 27, 2023, 10:14:39 PM

I like it! It's nice to get some "new" X Japan song. Also love hearing Toshis voice.

Tahemet · **Reply #51 on:** July 28, 2023, 11:52:10 AM

And once again complete radio silence from Toshi (and Pata)

friday · **Reply #52 on:** July 28, 2023, 03:21:29 PM

The very limited guitar, albeit, power chords which aren’t palm muted, makes me think Yoshiki’s worked on Angel by himself in the studio with an old ToshI audio track.

RoseOfPain · **Reply #53 on:** July 28, 2023, 04:18:45 PM

Quote from: friday on July 28, 2023, 03:21:29 PM

The very limited guitar, albeit, power chords which aren’t palm muted, makes me think Yoshiki’s worked on Angel by himself in the studio with an old ToshI audio track.

Im pretty sure thats the case. All the strings and even the drums also sound sampled.

friday · **Reply #54 on:** July 29, 2023, 06:17:18 AM

It makes me wonder how much of the post reunion songs have actually included Pata, Heath and Sugizo, minus the hide sampling in I.V., and the solos in Jade and BTBF. It would explain the simplistic riffs in those songs.

Beneath the Skin and some snippets of Kiss the Sky are the only songs that sounded somewhat more complex, at least from a bass and guitar perspective.

Tahemet · **Reply #55 on:** July 30, 2023, 08:53:45 PM

Quote from: friday on July 28, 2023, 03:21:29 PM

The very limited guitar, albeit, power chords which aren’t palm muted, makes me think Yoshiki’s worked on Angel by himself in the studio with an old ToshI audio track.

that could very well be the case

axlroseX · **Reply #56 on:** August 13, 2023, 04:58:40 AM

Toshi sounds nice but it’s a very generic song. Some nice production, but man, it’s not worth the drama.

axlroseX · **Reply #57 on:** August 15, 2023, 04:34:12 PM

Really goes to show that post- reunion music isn’t even worth it. I think we all want the album symbolically, but the music just isn’t that good. I do like Jade, though.

Apart from that, I wouldn’t think twice about any of the reunion songs if they weren’t labeled, “X Japan”. I don’t need an album at this point, I’ll just be happy if Yoshiki puts out Kiss the Sky. That is the one song that seems interesting to me.

The best part of the reunion was for sure the concerts. It was especially great for people who didn’t get to see them in the 80s and 90s. I’m super grateful I got to see them in Chicago.

Kasumi · **Reply #58 on:** August 18, 2023, 06:22:11 PM

Quote from: axlroseX on August 15, 2023, 04:34:12 PM

Really goes to show that post- reunion music isn’t even worth it. I think we all want the album symbolically, but the music just isn’t that good. I do like Jade, though.

Apart from that, I wouldn’t think twice about any of the reunion songs if they weren’t labeled, “X Japan”. I don’t need an album at this point, I’ll just be happy if Yoshiki puts out Kiss the Sky. That is the one song that seems interesting to me.

The best part of the reunion was for sure the concerts. It was especially great for people who didn’t get to see them in the 80s and 90s. I’m super grateful I got to see them in Chicago.

I agree. Most songs aren't that good, but I want the album anyway.

And my absolute highlight was seeing them live in Wembley. <3