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on: October 19, 2017, 11:20:04 PM
So I've been reading stuff about Yoshiki on here as well as on other forums. So many people are insulting him and saying he's a joke. I don't get it? Like, I can understand the frustration about the album being delayed. If you look at the bands history they have been legendary, but not the luckiest either.

I've been trying to not think in black and white and what if some the members feel as if their album won't be received well by others? I mean, I cans see why. So many people have said their songs weren't that great.

I just want to know why everyone has been coming for Yoshiki lately? It's almost ridiculous to see all the hate and negativity.



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Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 11:39:39 PM
I think all of the previous posts on here summarize it quite well. In my opinion, he squandered the better part of 10 years making a true comeback and has delayed and delayed and delayed on this promised album for the better part of 8 years which is SUPPOSEDLY coming out Spring 2018 and I can almost guarantee that 25-50% of the songs on it are ones we already know. I'll be floored if it's 100% new content. Yoshiki's thinking is getting a little delusional. He wants to raise X Japan up to some new level and become much bigger internationally but he doesn't deliver. He's even said he was almost completely hands off with the We Are X doc so where is all this time going???

I see it as a disrespect to your loyal fan base to continue to string them along. He even admitted in a recent interview with a member of this board that he doesn't see X Japan going for much more than 5 years, realistically. We've got 1 long over-due album and potentially a few tours if we're lucky. At this point, I just want them to wrap it up with dignity.



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Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 11:45:55 PM
Welcome to our world :D I'm sure the other members will spill their hearts about this :D Read my introduction, I had the same questions :D Basically, the short version is that many people are tired because of Yoshiki's empty promises and multiple delays and cancellations (album, concerts, appearances etc.) Basically, the issue they have is that Yoshiki is apparently not trustworthy, and they are fed up with his promises that never seem to get fulfilled. Some people were in for nasty surprises with sudden concert cancellations, leaving them with high costs of plane tickets and accommodation etc., all for nothing. It seems to happen more often than with other bands. So they spit on him, because he is not like what they expected him to be. Not like he hasn't been the same since... forever... but hey, that doesn't matter :D

I also told them, that we don't really have any right to demand anything from Yoshiki or the band. They will do the album when they see fit and that's it. If he keeps delaying, he probably has a good reason to do so. Probably not satisfied 100% and we all know he is a perfectionist. Poor Toshi can tell stories about this ;) Don't mind them. Some of us are here to enjoy the music and enjoy this band as long as we can, and let's face it, Yoshiki's health condition will not improve dramatically, so god knows how long we can still have them. Boo to the booers, let him be.



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Reply #3 on: October 20, 2017, 09:00:35 AM
I've been a fan for 10 or 15 years and X was a giant part of my teenage years and adult life. I don't think I could ever hate Yoshiki or anyone else in that band, but I agree that I do find him quitte funny these days.

Truth be told, it's extremely hard to ressurect a thing like X in 2017 - and it's especially hard to make it a worldwide success. Yoshiki is an extremely talented musician, but that's not enough to cut it. He has shown in the past to be very hard to work with and a little unaware of how things work in the real world. Open a window into the life of a guy like that and you'll see him alone in his studio, working on a segment that's not even that crucial for 24 hours straight, striving for perfection, then he'll get bored with it, or angry that he can't reproduce whatever's in his head, he'll delete the whole thing and start over again. Meanwhile, the other guys will be going about their lives and solo projects, pretty much like they did around the Dahlia era, because they know that their band leader always has the last word and seems to do much better without them questioning him. They don't completely give up, though, partly because X is still a big deal (and brings money and recognition) and partly because Yoshiki is good at convincing people that he has it all under control and that trust me, it will work.

The result is songs that are musically pretty good but just not... that good. They're predictable. Take a basic balad melody, run it through the Yoshikimachine where he adds rain/tears/scars/unrequited love/roses and you get everything they've done in the past ten years. It's okay, but it's not new, it has no soul, it's a little basic. Hardcore fans will still like them, but that's about it. The songs of X I grew up with were unpredictable, unusual, angry, batshit crazy... even the ballads were weirdly sad, they were written in strange English but they hit close to home, there was something heartbreaking and distressing about them.

This being said, I think these guys don't know how to pick good agents/producers/etc. Take whoever convinced Yoshiki that Born to be Free was a nice, commercial thing that would appeal to an all-American audience. And that a gangster/rapper/big daddy-style video clip was a good idea. Oh, that guy Toshi? Make him sit in a large porn film-style sofa and surround him with blond models. He's 5'2'' and not exactly the type? Don't worry, it will work out.

 


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Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 02:52:24 PM
Your reply is perfect :D They might really just be the unluckiest band on the planet, like one newspaper said recently. I think Yoshiki is very much under pressure to make this work, there are high expectations, and when you need to make music to satisfy fans versus making music for yourself, from your inner needs and not giving shit about what the press/fans thinks is totally different of course. Somehow Yoshiki lost his rebellious side. Maybe he got tired of it all, or got locked up in the treadmill of "producing" for a legendary band. He also got old and he has a gazillion ailments to fight. X will never be like in old days because simply, people change, the world changes, and we never step into the same river twice. I just want him to be really hppy with what he does, satisfied with the songs he writes and be truly happy while performing them. Nothing else matters. Those who don't lke the new X will leave, and that's about it. The rest will stay and cheer on.



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Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 05:08:53 PM
Honestly, I don't even care anymore. We aren't even waiting for a masterpiece. The sad truth is that most songs that have been teased, played, or god forbid, released since the reunion just haven't been that good. The only one that really sticks out to me as a truly great X Japan song is Jade and MAYBE Without You and IV. Lets look at all of the songs we have heard,

Without You- Nice simple little song. Now, the piano and vocal only ballads are so boring and played out, but this is a nice one and the vocal lines are good. Too bad it was never really released properly and when it did, it was on a crappy film soundtrack as a half assed (except for Toshi's vocals) piano and vocal version. After 10 years you'd think they could incorporate the whole band and throw in a melodic guitar solo.

IV- Good, anthemic melodies and was a nice tribute to hide. Still, it felt a little empty without a bigger instrumental part.

Jade- Great song. Its catchy, has some cool guitar and orchestra work. Actually has a solo. Sounds like it could have been on Dahlia.

Born to be Free- This song I liked years ago because I was starved for new material. I still don't hate it and think the studio version sounds well made. The guitar riff is very amateurish, though, and I'd have liked it to be a little bit more full. Its a cheesy song, but whatever.

Scarlet Love Song- Completely forgettable throw away song that sounds like any other simplified X ballad, but more lame.

Beneath the Skin- Song showed promise. Not anything mind blowing, but something cool at least. There seems to be a solo (huzzah) and I like the bass in the verses.

Hero- Basically a pop song with what Yoshiki thinks sounds "commercial"

Angel- Another relatively forgettable ballad

Kiss the Sky- Another ballad but apparently it has guitars at least

La Venus- ANOTHER fucking vocal/piano ballad. I actually like the melodies in this even though its mind blowing almost all of these songs have the same format

Still, what the fuck is this? All of these songs are fucking predictable and generic ballads where you have basically only vocals and piano. The other sock songs are mainly generic commercialized rock where you have dead simple guitar work. A good song doesn't NEED a guitar solo, far from it, but one of the big reasons I became a fan was because of their guitar work. There isn't a SINGLE memorable guitar part in any of these songs save for maybe Jade. These songs aren't offensive or necessarily bad. They just are very subpar and don't make the mark.

So yeah, who cares anymore? Is this album worth all this drama and the 10 year wait? For me? No.

I'd like to see them again and take my friend who didn't get the chance to see them the first time they toured the states. That'd be cool and pretty exciting for me but other than that, it is whatever.

The fact of the matter is, Yoshiki grossly dropped the ball on the reunion. From countless canceled dates, late starts, delays in shows and music release, false promises and lies, and squandered potential, it is VERY easy to see why fans are bored, negative, or worse- indifferent now. Fans like Teemeah are new, and that is great! There is some awesome rock music to be found with X Japan and their history and personalities are very interesting. However, the "YOU AREN'T A TRUE FAN IF YOU DON'T AGREE OR LIKE EVERYTHING THEY DO" mentality is both asinine and counterintuitive. I'm a diehard GNR fan, as well, and I see this ALL THE TIME when it comes to Axl Rose as well. Teemeah said it above, the band doesn't "owe" us anything. Well, I both disagree and agree. If a band offers a product, such as a concert you buy a ticket to, they owe you a show with a respectable performance. They have delayed MANY shows throughout the past 10 years. I understand that health issues happen, and unforeseen events occur, but when it happens the amount of times it has, it isn't all just bad luck. That means there is poor planning, communication, and a failure to adapt to changing events.

Years ago, they announced this big concert in the UK and said the album would be released that day. They announced it almost a year in advance. Well, a few weeks before the show they canceled it blaming it on Pata. Pata's health comes first, of course, but to me it seemed he was used a scapegoat. He is a crucial member, but the band apparently knew about his health weeks before the cancelation announcement, and knew many fans had flights and hotels booked. They waited so late to announce it, it is likely many fans could not cancel their accommodations. Since this was such a big event, the band should have adapted and still provided fans with the album release and some sort of performance with the rest of the band. Here we are YEARS later with no released music, even with the concert performed another year after. This alone tells me that the cancellation was more because they were not prepared.

The above example is just one of MANY... an original Paris show, dates in Asia, an initial NY show in 2008, etc. That goes beyond bad luck. When you have to keep making excuses, it says the problem is with you. Even Yoshiki's recent surgery was something he knew he had to get for years. Why not get it in the years where they weren't doing anything instead of right when he wanted to do an alleged album release and "world" tour? Sure, he is entitled to get it when he wants, but that sure was convenient. Now he has a great excuse not to tour or release an album. I give credit that they didn't cancel those Japanese shows. I am sure he would have liked to, but given the band's track record with cancelations they couldn't. Instead, those shows were some of the coolest in 10 years. Deep cuts were played, the setlist changed, and Yoshiki sounded pretty great on the piano. Yeah, it was more of a Yoshiki+Toshi show with support from other X members, but that is sort of how the band (sadly) functions now anyways. That is the one example I can think of where he properly adapted to a situation. Still, there is no album and tour. What is he doing? He isn't staying at home healing, he is flying around the world promoting a two year old movie he already promoted. He is working on marketing and promoting his name. What does that tell you?

Maybe he knows the material isn't up to par, maybe he lost interest, maybe he really is the perfectionist he leads fans to believe and wants to get it right (personally, I don't buy this), but who cares at this point? He is out of touch with the diehard fans, and has thus alienated a great deal of us with his poor communication and false promises. He isn't working hard in the studio 24/7 on X Japan like he says on social media, he is starting many different projects. Mostly marketing ones such as products and fashion shows, and ignoring his creative side. More power to him, but its an issue because he lies and says he is still passionate and hard at work with musical projects like X Japan and Violet UK (whatever the fuck that is). He doesn't commit to single projects or prioritize the things he said he would, thus, nothing is accomplished and you get several half assed projects like what X Japan is now.

Personally, I don't think about the album anymore or even X Japan much aside from the few times a month I log on here. He does't really owe us in terms of new music, he can do what he likes. At the same time, we don't owe him anything either. If he keeps making false promises, why shouldn't we discuss it on the band's main message board (which is now practically inactive)? I understand it is hard for new fans like you, OP,  and Teemeah but we can only talk about the music and all that for so long. Many of us have been here for years. There were positive conversations, there was excitement. But for the majority of us, there isn't much to be excited for and "cheer on". What are we cheering on right now? A non existent album that will never see release? A second or third press tour around Europe for a documentary that is already released and mainly forgotten by the mainstream? Come on...

I am glad they reunited for personal reasons. I, and many other fans, got to see them live and we otherwise wouldn't have. For that reason alone, I view the reunion as something good. A lot of the shows have been pretty damn good and Jade is a pretty cool tune. Other than that, it has been a creative and logistical disaster full of periods (sometimes years) of complete inactivity and many plans that didn't materialize. I am not "spitting on" Yoshiki. I don't know him. He can be the greatest guy for all I know. He seems like a pretty nice person. But as a fan, I can criticize his actions and words to said fans, can I not? It has nothing to do with his personality. He seems genuine and grateful, that is for sure. I'm glad he does, the dude is a multi millionaire, so humility is a welcome and rare thing among celebrities.

There are Facebook pages about X Japan that have all the positivity you seek. They have the blind following and like everything Yoshiki does. You aren't going to necessarily find that here. X Freaks is sadly more of a graveyard because of the years of false starts and inactivity. Fans like you and Teemeah are welcome. Its good to have positivity injected, but you asked why there's negativity from the majority of us old posters?

There you go
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Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 07:33:35 PM
What people here don't realise is that these cancellations and stuff are nothing new with X. Have you ever checked their past, Japanese only tour dates in the 80s and 90s? TONS of cancellations and re-schedules, there are more srtriked through dates in the table than actual completed shows. This band has always been like this, it didn't start with the reunion and Yoshiki is not the goddamn devil.



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Reply #7 on: October 20, 2017, 08:06:57 PM
Honestly, I don't even care anymore. We aren't even waiting for a masterpiece. The sad truth is that most songs that have been teased, played, or god forbid, released since the reunion just haven't been that good. The only one that really sticks out to me as a truly great X Japan song is Jade and MAYBE Without You and IV. Lets look at all of the songs we have heard,

Without You- Nice simple little song. Now, the piano and vocal only ballads are so boring and played out, but this is a nice one and the vocal lines are good. Too bad it was never really released properly and when it did, it was on a crappy film soundtrack as a half assed (except for Toshi's vocals) piano and vocal version. After 10 years you'd think they could incorporate the whole band and throw in a melodic guitar solo.

IV- Good, anthemic melodies and was a nice tribute to hide. Still, it felt a little empty without a bigger instrumental part.

Jade- Great song. Its catchy, has some cool guitar and orchestra work. Actually has a solo. Sounds like it could have been on Dahlia.

Born to be Free- This song I liked years ago because I was starved for new material. I still don't hate it and think the studio version sounds well made. The guitar riff is very amateurish, though, and I'd have liked it to be a little bit more full. Its a cheesy song, but whatever.

Scarlet Love Song- Completely forgettable throw away song that sounds like any other simplified X ballad, but more lame.

Beneath the Skin- Song showed promise. Not anything mind blowing, but something cool at least. There seems to be a solo (huzzah) and I like the bass in the verses.

Hero- Basically a pop song with what Yoshiki thinks sounds "commercial"

Angel- Another relatively forgettable ballad

Kiss the Sky- Another ballad but apparently it has guitars at least

La Venus- ANOTHER fucking vocal/piano ballad. I actually like the melodies in this even though its mind blowing almost all of these songs have the same format

Still, what the fuck is this? All of these songs are fucking predictable and generic ballads where you have basically only vocals and piano. The other sock songs are mainly generic commercialized rock where you have dead simple guitar work. A good song doesn't NEED a guitar solo, far from it, but one of the big reasons I became a fan was because of their guitar work. There isn't a SINGLE memorable guitar part in any of these songs save for maybe Jade. These songs aren't offensive or necessarily bad. They just are very subpar and don't make the mark.

So yeah, who cares anymore? Is this album worth all this drama and the 10 year wait? For me? No.

I'd like to see them again and take my friend who didn't get the chance to see them the first time they toured the states. That'd be cool and pretty exciting for me but other than that, it is whatever.

The fact of the matter is, Yoshiki grossly dropped the ball on the reunion. From countless canceled dates, late starts, delays in shows and music release, false promises and lies, and squandered potential, it is VERY easy to see why fans are bored, negative, or worse- indifferent now. Fans like Teemeah are new, and that is great! There is some awesome rock music to be found with X Japan and their history and personalities are very interesting. However, the "YOU AREN'T A TRUE FAN IF YOU DON'T AGREE OR LIKE EVERYTHING THEY DO" mentality is both asinine and counterintuitive. I'm a diehard GNR fan, as well, and I see this ALL THE TIME when it comes to Axl Rose as well. Teemeah said it above, the band doesn't "owe" us anything. Well, I both disagree and agree. If a band offers a product, such as a concert you buy a ticket to, they owe you a show with a respectable performance. They have delayed MANY shows throughout the past 10 years. I understand that health issues happen, and unforeseen events occur, but when it happens the amount of times it has, it isn't all just bad luck. That means there is poor planning, communication, and a failure to adapt to changing events.

Years ago, they announced this big concert in the UK and said the album would be released that day. They announced it almost a year in advance. Well, a few weeks before the show they canceled it blaming it on Pata. Pata's health comes first, of course, but to me it seemed he was used a scapegoat. He is a crucial member, but the band apparently knew about his health weeks before the cancelation announcement, and knew many fans had flights and hotels booked. They waited so late to announce it, it is likely many fans could not cancel their accommodations. Since this was such a big event, the band should have adapted and still provided fans with the album release and some sort of performance with the rest of the band. Here we are YEARS later with no released music, even with the concert performed another year after. This alone tells me that the cancellation was more because they were not prepared.

The above example is just one of MANY... an original Paris show, dates in Asia, an initial NY show in 2008, etc. That goes beyond bad luck. When you have to keep making excuses, it says the problem is with you. Even Yoshiki's recent surgery was something he knew he had to get for years. Why not get it in the years where they weren't doing anything instead of right when he wanted to do an alleged album release and "world" tour? Sure, he is entitled to get it when he wants, but that sure was convenient. Now he has a great excuse not to tour or release an album. I give credit that they didn't cancel those Japanese shows. I am sure he would have liked to, but given the band's track record with cancelations they couldn't. Instead, those shows were some of the coolest in 10 years. Deep cuts were played, the setlist changed, and Yoshiki sounded pretty great on the piano. Yeah, it was more of a Yoshiki+Toshi show with support from other X members, but that is sort of how the band (sadly) functions now anyways. That is the one example I can think of where he properly adapted to a situation. Still, there is no album and tour. What is he doing? He isn't staying at home healing, he is flying around the world promoting a two year old movie he already promoted. He is working on marketing and promoting his name. What does that tell you?

Maybe he knows the material isn't up to par, maybe he lost interest, maybe he really is the perfectionist he leads fans to believe and wants to get it right (personally, I don't buy this), but who cares at this point? He is out of touch with the diehard fans, and has thus alienated a great deal of us with his poor communication and false promises. He isn't working hard in the studio 24/7 on X Japan like he says on social media, he is starting many different projects. Mostly marketing ones such as products and fashion shows, and ignoring his creative side. More power to him, but its an issue because he lies and says he is still passionate and hard at work with musical projects like X Japan and Violet UK (whatever the fuck that is). He doesn't commit to single projects or prioritize the things he said he would, thus, nothing is accomplished and you get several half assed projects like what X Japan is now.

Personally, I don't think about the album anymore or even X Japan much aside from the few times a month I log on here. He does't really owe us in terms of new music, he can do what he likes. At the same time, we don't owe him anything either. If he keeps making false promises, why shouldn't we discuss it on the band's main message board (which is now practically inactive)? I understand it is hard for new fans like you, OP,  and Teemeah but we can only talk about the music and all that for so long. Many of us have been here for years. There were positive conversations, there was excitement. But for the majority of us, there isn't much to be excited for and "cheer on". What are we cheering on right now? A non existent album that will never see release? A second or third press tour around Europe for a documentary that is already released and mainly forgotten by the mainstream? Come on...

I am glad they reunited for personal reasons. I, and many other fans, got to see them live and we otherwise wouldn't have. For that reason alone, I view the reunion as something good. A lot of the shows have been pretty damn good and Jade is a pretty cool tune. Other than that, it has been a creative and logistical disaster full of periods (sometimes years) of complete inactivity and many plans that didn't materialize. I am not "spitting on" Yoshiki. I don't know him. He can be the greatest guy for all I know. He seems like a pretty nice person. But as a fan, I can criticize his actions and words to said fans, can I not? It has nothing to do with his personality. He seems genuine and grateful, that is for sure. I'm glad he does, the dude is a multi millionaire, so humility is a welcome and rare thing among celebrities.

There are Facebook pages about X Japan that have all the positivity you seek. They have the blind following and like everything Yoshiki does. You aren't going to necessarily find that here. X Freaks is sadly more of a graveyard because of the years of false starts and inactivity. Fans like you and Teemeah are welcome. Its good to have positivity injected, but you asked why there's negativity from the majority of us old posters?

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Reply #8 on: October 20, 2017, 09:01:52 PM
What people here don't realise is that these cancellations and stuff are nothing new with X. Have you ever checked their past, Japanese only tour dates in the 80s and 90s? TONS of cancellations and re-schedules, there are more srtriked through dates in the table than actual completed shows. This band has always been like this, it didn't start with the reunion and Yoshiki is not the goddamn devil.

That may be true (I don't know about how many concerts were cancelled/delayed in the 80s/90s, so I believe you), but only because it happened in the past doesn't make it right or good nowadays. ;) And I don't think you wanted to imply that but only tell that it was to be expected, and yeah, that's probably right, but I still think it sucks lol

Plus there are bands/people that could change over the years. Just take a look at Axl Rose who really isn't the most reliable person when it comes to deliever what he promised, but as of late the reunion tour goes very smoothly he's on time, the concerts take place and the play are very long setlist. So if HE can change (for at least some time) so can Yoshiki. ;)



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Reply #9 on: October 20, 2017, 09:24:44 PM
axlroseX and Matthias, I couldn't have said it better!!!  -_-

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Reply #10 on: October 21, 2017, 12:29:03 AM
What people here don't realise is that these cancellations and stuff are nothing new with X. Have you ever checked their past, Japanese only tour dates in the 80s and 90s? TONS of cancellations and re-schedules, there are more srtriked through dates in the table than actual completed shows. This band has always been like this, it didn't start with the reunion and Yoshiki is not the goddamn devil.

What you might not realize is that, aside from past concert cancellations, in the span of time from reunion to date, Yoshiki produced Vanishing Vision, Blue Blood, Jealousy, AoL, and Dahlia PLUS all of the supporting tours in there. Cancellations aside, that is incredibly more satisfactory for fans and the health of the band. What have we had in terms of REAL content in the past 9-10 years? Yoshiki CAN'T fulfill his goal without releasing this album; he's consistently his own worst enemy. I feel sorry for the other guys.

No one is saying Yoshiki is the devil, lol. I still admire him incredibly and respect everything he's done but as a FAN, he is letting me down. The problem is that he always makes it seem like he's doing it for the fans, his music. If it was just for him, fine, take decades to do whatever you want to do, but once you start making promises and emotional connections with fans and stating over and over and over and over again that you're "90% complete, thank you for supporting me", it becomes unbearable.

There's a big difference between hating someone and expecting more from them. I don't hate Yoshiki. I just expect more from him and as a fan base we should.



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Reply #11 on: October 21, 2017, 12:31:08 AM
What people here don't realise is that these cancellations and stuff are nothing new with X. Have you ever checked their past, Japanese only tour dates in the 80s and 90s? TONS of cancellations and re-schedules, there are more srtriked through dates in the table than actual completed shows. This band has always been like this, it didn't start with the reunion and Yoshiki is not the goddamn devil.

That may be true (I don't know about how many concerts were cancelled/delayed in the 80s/90s, so I believe you), but only because it happened in the past doesn't make it right or good nowadays. ;) And I don't think you wanted to imply that but only tell that it was to be expected, and yeah, that's probably right, but I still think it sucks lol

Plus there are bands/people that could change over the years. Just take a look at Axl Rose who really isn't the most reliable person when it comes to deliever what he promised, but as of late the reunion tour goes very smoothly he's on time, the concerts take place and the play are very long setlist. So if HE can change (for at least some time) so can Yoshiki. ;)

You are not Yoshiki ansd Axl Rose is not Yoshiki either, to decide whether he can change or not. Sorr,y but this really going overboard, demanding people to change because you want them to. If I walked up to you and told you to, say, stop smoking, because it is bad for your health, will you do it or just stare at me like "who the fuck are you and why do you think you can tell me how to live". Why do fans think they have the right to demand that a musician live and work a certain way? Who are YOU to demand such a thing from a fellow human being? :) are you his friggin mother? Wife? Kid? Then what? :)

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Reply #12 on: October 21, 2017, 12:34:02 AM
Honestly, I don't even care anymore. We aren't even waiting for a masterpiece. The sad truth is that most songs that have been teased, played, or god forbid, released since the reunion just haven't been that good. The only one that really sticks out to me as a truly great X Japan song is Jade and MAYBE Without You and IV. Lets look at all of the songs we have heard,

Without You- Nice simple little song. Now, the piano and vocal only ballads are so boring and played out, but this is a nice one and the vocal lines are good. Too bad it was never really released properly and when it did, it was on a crappy film soundtrack as a half assed (except for Toshi's vocals) piano and vocal version. After 10 years you'd think they could incorporate the whole band and throw in a melodic guitar solo.

IV- Good, anthemic melodies and was a nice tribute to hide. Still, it felt a little empty without a bigger instrumental part.

Jade- Great song. Its catchy, has some cool guitar and orchestra work. Actually has a solo. Sounds like it could have been on Dahlia.

Born to be Free- This song I liked years ago because I was starved for new material. I still don't hate it and think the studio version sounds well made. The guitar riff is very amateurish, though, and I'd have liked it to be a little bit more full. Its a cheesy song, but whatever.

Scarlet Love Song- Completely forgettable throw away song that sounds like any other simplified X ballad, but more lame.

Beneath the Skin- Song showed promise. Not anything mind blowing, but something cool at least. There seems to be a solo (huzzah) and I like the bass in the verses.

Hero- Basically a pop song with what Yoshiki thinks sounds "commercial"

Angel- Another relatively forgettable ballad

Kiss the Sky- Another ballad but apparently it has guitars at least

La Venus- ANOTHER fucking vocal/piano ballad. I actually like the melodies in this even though its mind blowing almost all of these songs have the same format

Still, what the fuck is this? All of these songs are fucking predictable and generic ballads where you have basically only vocals and piano. The other sock songs are mainly generic commercialized rock where you have dead simple guitar work. A good song doesn't NEED a guitar solo, far from it, but one of the big reasons I became a fan was because of their guitar work. There isn't a SINGLE memorable guitar part in any of these songs save for maybe Jade. These songs aren't offensive or necessarily bad. They just are very subpar and don't make the mark.

So yeah, who cares anymore? Is this album worth all this drama and the 10 year wait? For me? No.

I'd like to see them again and take my friend who didn't get the chance to see them the first time they toured the states. That'd be cool and pretty exciting for me but other than that, it is whatever.

The fact of the matter is, Yoshiki grossly dropped the ball on the reunion. From countless canceled dates, late starts, delays in shows and music release, false promises and lies, and squandered potential, it is VERY easy to see why fans are bored, negative, or worse- indifferent now. Fans like Teemeah are new, and that is great! There is some awesome rock music to be found with X Japan and their history and personalities are very interesting. However, the "YOU AREN'T A TRUE FAN IF YOU DON'T AGREE OR LIKE EVERYTHING THEY DO" mentality is both asinine and counterintuitive. I'm a diehard GNR fan, as well, and I see this ALL THE TIME when it comes to Axl Rose as well. Teemeah said it above, the band doesn't "owe" us anything. Well, I both disagree and agree. If a band offers a product, such as a concert you buy a ticket to, they owe you a show with a respectable performance. They have delayed MANY shows throughout the past 10 years. I understand that health issues happen, and unforeseen events occur, but when it happens the amount of times it has, it isn't all just bad luck. That means there is poor planning, communication, and a failure to adapt to changing events.

Years ago, they announced this big concert in the UK and said the album would be released that day. They announced it almost a year in advance. Well, a few weeks before the show they canceled it blaming it on Pata. Pata's health comes first, of course, but to me it seemed he was used a scapegoat. He is a crucial member, but the band apparently knew about his health weeks before the cancelation announcement, and knew many fans had flights and hotels booked. They waited so late to announce it, it is likely many fans could not cancel their accommodations. Since this was such a big event, the band should have adapted and still provided fans with the album release and some sort of performance with the rest of the band. Here we are YEARS later with no released music, even with the concert performed another year after. This alone tells me that the cancellation was more because they were not prepared.

The above example is just one of MANY... an original Paris show, dates in Asia, an initial NY show in 2008, etc. That goes beyond bad luck. When you have to keep making excuses, it says the problem is with you. Even Yoshiki's recent surgery was something he knew he had to get for years. Why not get it in the years where they weren't doing anything instead of right when he wanted to do an alleged album release and "world" tour? Sure, he is entitled to get it when he wants, but that sure was convenient. Now he has a great excuse not to tour or release an album. I give credit that they didn't cancel those Japanese shows. I am sure he would have liked to, but given the band's track record with cancelations they couldn't. Instead, those shows were some of the coolest in 10 years. Deep cuts were played, the setlist changed, and Yoshiki sounded pretty great on the piano. Yeah, it was more of a Yoshiki+Toshi show with support from other X members, but that is sort of how the band (sadly) functions now anyways. That is the one example I can think of where he properly adapted to a situation. Still, there is no album and tour. What is he doing? He isn't staying at home healing, he is flying around the world promoting a two year old movie he already promoted. He is working on marketing and promoting his name. What does that tell you?

Maybe he knows the material isn't up to par, maybe he lost interest, maybe he really is the perfectionist he leads fans to believe and wants to get it right (personally, I don't buy this), but who cares at this point? He is out of touch with the diehard fans, and has thus alienated a great deal of us with his poor communication and false promises. He isn't working hard in the studio 24/7 on X Japan like he says on social media, he is starting many different projects. Mostly marketing ones such as products and fashion shows, and ignoring his creative side. More power to him, but its an issue because he lies and says he is still passionate and hard at work with musical projects like X Japan and Violet UK (whatever the fuck that is). He doesn't commit to single projects or prioritize the things he said he would, thus, nothing is accomplished and you get several half assed projects like what X Japan is now.

Personally, I don't think about the album anymore or even X Japan much aside from the few times a month I log on here. He does't really owe us in terms of new music, he can do what he likes. At the same time, we don't owe him anything either. If he keeps making false promises, why shouldn't we discuss it on the band's main message board (which is now practically inactive)? I understand it is hard for new fans like you, OP,  and Teemeah but we can only talk about the music and all that for so long. Many of us have been here for years. There were positive conversations, there was excitement. But for the majority of us, there isn't much to be excited for and "cheer on". What are we cheering on right now? A non existent album that will never see release? A second or third press tour around Europe for a documentary that is already released and mainly forgotten by the mainstream? Come on...

I am glad they reunited for personal reasons. I, and many other fans, got to see them live and we otherwise wouldn't have. For that reason alone, I view the reunion as something good. A lot of the shows have been pretty damn good and Jade is a pretty cool tune. Other than that, it has been a creative and logistical disaster full of periods (sometimes years) of complete inactivity and many plans that didn't materialize. I am not "spitting on" Yoshiki. I don't know him. He can be the greatest guy for all I know. He seems like a pretty nice person. But as a fan, I can criticize his actions and words to said fans, can I not? It has nothing to do with his personality. He seems genuine and grateful, that is for sure. I'm glad he does, the dude is a multi millionaire, so humility is a welcome and rare thing among celebrities.

There are Facebook pages about X Japan that have all the positivity you seek. They have the blind following and like everything Yoshiki does. You aren't going to necessarily find that here. X Freaks is sadly more of a graveyard because of the years of false starts and inactivity. Fans like you and Teemeah are welcome. Its good to have positivity injected, but you asked why there's negativity from the majority of us old posters?

There you go

Honestly, print this and stick it to the front page of this forum/site. A lengthy but absolutely necessary read to understand where our frustration comes from with this band. Having followed them for just over a decade now, none of this is embellished or fabricated. Couldn't agree more.



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Reply #13 on: October 21, 2017, 12:35:43 AM
What people here don't realise is that these cancellations and stuff are nothing new with X. Have you ever checked their past, Japanese only tour dates in the 80s and 90s? TONS of cancellations and re-schedules, there are more srtriked through dates in the table than actual completed shows. This band has always been like this, it didn't start with the reunion and Yoshiki is not the goddamn devil.

That may be true (I don't know about how many concerts were cancelled/delayed in the 80s/90s, so I believe you), but only because it happened in the past doesn't make it right or good nowadays. ;) And I don't think you wanted to imply that but only tell that it was to be expected, and yeah, that's probably right, but I still think it sucks lol

Plus there are bands/people that could change over the years. Just take a look at Axl Rose who really isn't the most reliable person when it comes to deliever what he promised, but as of late the reunion tour goes very smoothly he's on time, the concerts take place and the play are very long setlist. So if HE can change (for at least some time) so can Yoshiki. ;)

You are not Yoshiki ansd Axl Rose is not Yoshiki either, to decide whether he can change or not. Sorr,y but this really going overboard, demanding people to change because you want them to. If I walked up to you and told you to, say, stop smoking, because it is bad for your health, will you do it or just stare at me like "who the fuck are you and why do you think you can tell me how to live". Why do fans think they have the right to demand that a musician live and work a certain way? Who are YOU to demand such a thing from a fellow human being? :) are you his friggin mother? Wife? Kid? Then what? :)

The tour list is up on the Japanese Wikipedia with all cancelled and rescheduled stops.

What kind of logic is that? You compare telling someone to stop smoking to us getting frustrated about nearly a decade of broken promises and actual lost $$$? Come on now. I respect your interview with Yoshiki, but you're being ridiculous and FAR too biased. We're not trying to change his life. We're calling him out for things he's not kept his word on.



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Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 06:26:09 AM
I see some of your points, but i think a lot of you have to realize that these men are not in their 20's/30's anymore. They aren't rebellious anymore because they aren't trying to rebel anything. They were very different back in their day, it wasn't normal to see people dress and act like them. Now, that's what is all around Japan and the world. Style, different attitudes, and people speaking up and using their voices. Basically they've raised a generation.

I've seen a lot of people say they should just do the reunion and pass the baton to the younger generations, but that is such an ugly attitude to have. The world and the music industry is big enough for the originals and the newbies.

I'm trying to see what X has gone though. From Toshi deadass being brainwashed and hide's death. Now they have some health problems, obviously, Yoshiki has said that even when he was younger he wasn't even supposed to grow up because he could've died. He nearly killed himself at all his shows when you see him collapsing. Then he had neck surgery and possibly or needs to have surgery on his hand. Which makes it incredibly hard as someone who is a pianist and a drummer.

It can be frustrating when you spend money only to be let down. I can understand the anger with that because it's clear that this shit isn't cheap and we all gotta survive.

But to say (Which i've also seen on another forum) that Yoshiki is a joke is asinine. The man is talented as fuck, just maybe too much of a perfectionist.

I thought the songs were good. My personal opinion of course, everyone has theirs. It's just, I don't get how some of ya'll can basically say most of the song are terrible, but I just hate when people start to get aggressively critical about their music because it evolved. It's not the 80's or 90's anymore, this band has been going on for 30 or more years. Things aren't the same. I mean, we all seen what happened to Chester Bennington after people basically boo'd them off stage. People hold their art close to them and when they share it they know they are going to get good a bad reviews.

I just think when it comes to the music, a lot of you are holding onto the past way too much and only giving a narrow passage way for their future stuff to come through.

Let's be real, I don't think I've seen a Japanese band actually make it mainstream in america. They were and are the closest ones to do so. Yoshiki is still got a lot of shit to medically before he'd be able to play like he used to. I heard that his tendon is torn in one of his hands? That's nerve damage right there and you can kiss any finished album goodbye if that happens.

I feel like this is what makes bands fall apart of hold off because the critiquing is way too harsh, and if it's coming from fans all around then it's almost like what's the point? I'm sure he's afraid people aren't going to receive it well. He said before that he was ready to die for X. They are under a lot of pressure, and while they promised an album so many times and didn't come through, I'm still trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Especially as a musician myself and being a perfectionist, the process is almost never ending. If I had a name as big as X and Yoshiki? The process would be long as hell with wanting to change things and re-do them all while putting up with the criticism of other people.

It seems like a personal thing. I heard that they are planning on releasing it next spring and that it should be done by Christmas. With Yoshiki being a (as frustrating as it is) perfectionist it's gonna take a while. I just think that they shouldn't have promised it if that was going to be the issue. I feel ya'll on that.

I also think you all need to be reminded that they are not the same rebellious guy's in their 20's anymore. Things change, you're not gonna get the crazy X that ya'll seen in the 80's and 90's. Guaranteed. I just think that, just because the direction they are going isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it's deemed as 'not so great' or 'bad'.   

I think a lot of people just need to... idk, chill tf out for a minute and just enjoy the music. Don't get preachy about it not being the same. It's never going to be the same. Their album isn't even released yet, don't deem it as a failure just because a couple of songs didn't tickle your fancy is all I'm sayin.

I get your frustrations, but there are some things i just odn't agree with what is being said.



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Reply #15 on: October 21, 2017, 11:42:36 AM
I see some of your points, but i think a lot of you have to realize that these men are not in their 20's/30's anymore. They aren't rebellious anymore because they aren't trying to rebel anything. They were very different back in their day, it wasn't normal to see people dress and act like them. Now, that's what is all around Japan and the world. Style, different attitudes, and people speaking up and using their voices. Basically they've raised a generation.

I've seen a lot of people say they should just do the reunion and pass the baton to the younger generations, but that is such an ugly attitude to have. The world and the music industry is big enough for the originals and the newbies.

I'm trying to see what X has gone though. From Toshi deadass being brainwashed and hide's death. Now they have some health problems, obviously, Yoshiki has said that even when he was younger he wasn't even supposed to grow up because he could've died. He nearly killed himself at all his shows when you see him collapsing. Then he had neck surgery and possibly or needs to have surgery on his hand. Which makes it incredibly hard as someone who is a pianist and a drummer.

It can be frustrating when you spend money only to be let down. I can understand the anger with that because it's clear that this shit isn't cheap and we all gotta survive.

But to say (Which i've also seen on another forum) that Yoshiki is a joke is asinine. The man is talented as fuck, just maybe too much of a perfectionist.

I thought the songs were good. My personal opinion of course, everyone has theirs. It's just, I don't get how some of ya'll can basically say most of the song are terrible, but I just hate when people start to get aggressively critical about their music because it evolved. It's not the 80's or 90's anymore, this band has been going on for 30 or more years. Things aren't the same. I mean, we all seen what happened to Chester Bennington after people basically boo'd them off stage. People hold their art close to them and when they share it they know they are going to get good a bad reviews.

I just think when it comes to the music, a lot of you are holding onto the past way too much and only giving a narrow passage way for their future stuff to come through.

Let's be real, I don't think I've seen a Japanese band actually make it mainstream in america. They were and are the closest ones to do so. Yoshiki is still got a lot of shit to medically before he'd be able to play like he used to. I heard that his tendon is torn in one of his hands? That's nerve damage right there and you can kiss any finished album goodbye if that happens.

I feel like this is what makes bands fall apart of hold off because the critiquing is way too harsh, and if it's coming from fans all around then it's almost like what's the point? I'm sure he's afraid people aren't going to receive it well. He said before that he was ready to die for X. They are under a lot of pressure, and while they promised an album so many times and didn't come through, I'm still trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Especially as a musician myself and being a perfectionist, the process is almost never ending. If I had a name as big as X and Yoshiki? The process would be long as hell with wanting to change things and re-do them all while putting up with the criticism of other people.

It seems like a personal thing. I heard that they are planning on releasing it next spring and that it should be done by Christmas. With Yoshiki being a (as frustrating as it is) perfectionist it's gonna take a while. I just think that they shouldn't have promised it if that was going to be the issue. I feel ya'll on that.

I also think you all need to be reminded that they are not the same rebellious guy's in their 20's anymore. Things change, you're not gonna get the crazy X that ya'll seen in the 80's and 90's. Guaranteed. I just think that, just because the direction they are going isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it's deemed as 'not so great' or 'bad'.   

I think a lot of people just need to... idk, chill tf out for a minute and just enjoy the music. Don't get preachy about it not being the same. It's never going to be the same. Their album isn't even released yet, don't deem it as a failure just because a couple of songs didn't tickle your fancy is all I'm sayin.

I get your frustrations, but there are some things i just odn't agree with what is being said.

THIS ^ . Seriously, I agree with everything you said. It's like some people still live in an 80s-90s fantasy world. People change, their music changes. Don't like it? Nobody forces anyone to listen to X. BTW I heard the same crap from Miyavi fans, that his older music was better and he changed too much and blahblahblah. What's the problem with that? A musician changes. We ALL change over time. Our style changes, our likes and dislikes change. Why do people expect artists to remain the same over DECADES? I can only repeat myself: if you don't like where an artist is heading, you are welcome to not listen to their songs anymore. What's the point in bashing the new songs?
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Reply #16 on: October 21, 2017, 12:16:53 PM
What people here don't realise is that these cancellations and stuff are nothing new with X. Have you ever checked their past, Japanese only tour dates in the 80s and 90s? TONS of cancellations and re-schedules, there are more srtriked through dates in the table than actual completed shows. This band has always been like this, it didn't start with the reunion and Yoshiki is not the goddamn devil.

That may be true (I don't know about how many concerts were cancelled/delayed in the 80s/90s, so I believe you), but only because it happened in the past doesn't make it right or good nowadays. ;) And I don't think you wanted to imply that but only tell that it was to be expected, and yeah, that's probably right, but I still think it sucks lol

Plus there are bands/people that could change over the years. Just take a look at Axl Rose who really isn't the most reliable person when it comes to deliever what he promised, but as of late the reunion tour goes very smoothly he's on time, the concerts take place and the play are very long setlist. So if HE can change (for at least some time) so can Yoshiki. ;)

You are not Yoshiki ansd Axl Rose is not Yoshiki either, to decide whether he can change or not. Sorr,y but this really going overboard, demanding people to change because you want them to. If I walked up to you and told you to, say, stop smoking, because it is bad for your health, will you do it or just stare at me like "who the fuck are you and why do you think you can tell me how to live". Why do fans think they have the right to demand that a musician live and work a certain way? Who are YOU to demand such a thing from a fellow human being? :) are you his friggin mother? Wife? Kid? Then what? :)

The tour list is up on the Japanese Wikipedia with all cancelled and rescheduled stops.

I'm not demanding of him to change, if he's happy how everything worked out so far, good for him. Just wanted to show that the behaviour of certain people (that's why I brought up Axl, because they are both musicians) could change over the decades.
As I wrote in my first sentence, I'm not demanding him to change, I just wish it would happen and that he would treat the whole X Japan project with the seriousness it deserves (at least imho). ;)

PS: If someone told me I should stop smoking I would probably not be that happy about it, but the person would have a point. ;)



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Reply #17 on: October 21, 2017, 01:13:22 PM
I see some of your points, but i think a lot of you have to realize that these men are not in their 20's/30's anymore. They aren't rebellious anymore because they aren't trying to rebel anything. They were very different back in their day, it wasn't normal to see people dress and act like them. Now, that's what is all around Japan and the world. Style, different attitudes, and people speaking up and using their voices. Basically they've raised a generation.

I've seen a lot of people say they should just do the reunion and pass the baton to the younger generations, but that is such an ugly attitude to have. The world and the music industry is big enough for the originals and the newbies.

I'm trying to see what X has gone though. From Toshi deadass being brainwashed and hide's death. Now they have some health problems, obviously, Yoshiki has said that even when he was younger he wasn't even supposed to grow up because he could've died. He nearly killed himself at all his shows when you see him collapsing. Then he had neck surgery and possibly or needs to have surgery on his hand. Which makes it incredibly hard as someone who is a pianist and a drummer.

It can be frustrating when you spend money only to be let down. I can understand the anger with that because it's clear that this shit isn't cheap and we all gotta survive.

But to say (Which i've also seen on another forum) that Yoshiki is a joke is asinine. The man is talented as fuck, just maybe too much of a perfectionist.

I thought the songs were good. My personal opinion of course, everyone has theirs. It's just, I don't get how some of ya'll can basically say most of the song are terrible, but I just hate when people start to get aggressively critical about their music because it evolved. It's not the 80's or 90's anymore, this band has been going on for 30 or more years. Things aren't the same. I mean, we all seen what happened to Chester Bennington after people basically boo'd them off stage. People hold their art close to them and when they share it they know they are going to get good a bad reviews.

I just think when it comes to the music, a lot of you are holding onto the past way too much and only giving a narrow passage way for their future stuff to come through.

Let's be real, I don't think I've seen a Japanese band actually make it mainstream in america. They were and are the closest ones to do so. Yoshiki is still got a lot of shit to medically before he'd be able to play like he used to. I heard that his tendon is torn in one of his hands? That's nerve damage right there and you can kiss any finished album goodbye if that happens.

I feel like this is what makes bands fall apart of hold off because the critiquing is way too harsh, and if it's coming from fans all around then it's almost like what's the point? I'm sure he's afraid people aren't going to receive it well. He said before that he was ready to die for X. They are under a lot of pressure, and while they promised an album so many times and didn't come through, I'm still trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Especially as a musician myself and being a perfectionist, the process is almost never ending. If I had a name as big as X and Yoshiki? The process would be long as hell with wanting to change things and re-do them all while putting up with the criticism of other people.

It seems like a personal thing. I heard that they are planning on releasing it next spring and that it should be done by Christmas. With Yoshiki being a (as frustrating as it is) perfectionist it's gonna take a while. I just think that they shouldn't have promised it if that was going to be the issue. I feel ya'll on that.

I also think you all need to be reminded that they are not the same rebellious guy's in their 20's anymore. Things change, you're not gonna get the crazy X that ya'll seen in the 80's and 90's. Guaranteed. I just think that, just because the direction they are going isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it's deemed as 'not so great' or 'bad'.   

I think a lot of people just need to... idk, chill tf out for a minute and just enjoy the music. Don't get preachy about it not being the same. It's never going to be the same. Their album isn't even released yet, don't deem it as a failure just because a couple of songs didn't tickle your fancy is all I'm sayin.

I get your frustrations, but there are some things i just odn't agree with what is being said.

You're so far off the mark with just about all of this. Stop repeating yourself with things we already know and HAVE known for quite some time. I actually don't have so much of an issue with their "new sound" as much as I do the broken promises, the poor communication and lack of transparency. So many unanswered questions that we'll probably never get to the bottom of. Why didn't Yoshiki do this surgery right after the World Tour of 2011??? They had no appearances until THREE years later. I'm sure in that time he could've had it done and recovered significantly and then been progressing for the past 3 years but no. I mean, as you said, it's his life he can do what he wishes but unless you address the promises to your fans, you're going to get criticized, that's just the way it is.

Now we're faced with probably a year or more until Yoshiki can drum properly, an album that is still 6-8 months away, and an actual TIME FRAME for the remaining life of the band (potentially 5 years) if we're to believe that as an answer from Teemeah's interview. Yoshiki's treating this whole thing like he's trying to make this big breakthrough and take them to a new level....that just does not jive with everything I've just listed. I think they should just release what they have properly and move on to projects that are viable.



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Reply #18 on: October 21, 2017, 06:15:52 PM
I see some of your points, but i think a lot of you have to realize that these men are not in their 20's/30's anymore. They aren't rebellious anymore because they aren't trying to rebel anything. They were very different back in their day, it wasn't normal to see people dress and act like them. Now, that's what is all around Japan and the world. Style, different attitudes, and people speaking up and using their voices. Basically they've raised a generation.

I've seen a lot of people say they should just do the reunion and pass the baton to the younger generations, but that is such an ugly attitude to have. The world and the music industry is big enough for the originals and the newbies.

I'm trying to see what X has gone though. From Toshi deadass being brainwashed and hide's death. Now they have some health problems, obviously, Yoshiki has said that even when he was younger he wasn't even supposed to grow up because he could've died. He nearly killed himself at all his shows when you see him collapsing. Then he had neck surgery and possibly or needs to have surgery on his hand. Which makes it incredibly hard as someone who is a pianist and a drummer.

It can be frustrating when you spend money only to be let down. I can understand the anger with that because it's clear that this shit isn't cheap and we all gotta survive.

But to say (Which i've also seen on another forum) that Yoshiki is a joke is asinine. The man is talented as fuck, just maybe too much of a perfectionist.

I thought the songs were good. My personal opinion of course, everyone has theirs. It's just, I don't get how some of ya'll can basically say most of the song are terrible, but I just hate when people start to get aggressively critical about their music because it evolved. It's not the 80's or 90's anymore, this band has been going on for 30 or more years. Things aren't the same. I mean, we all seen what happened to Chester Bennington after people basically boo'd them off stage. People hold their art close to them and when they share it they know they are going to get good a bad reviews.

I just think when it comes to the music, a lot of you are holding onto the past way too much and only giving a narrow passage way for their future stuff to come through.

Let's be real, I don't think I've seen a Japanese band actually make it mainstream in america. They were and are the closest ones to do so. Yoshiki is still got a lot of shit to medically before he'd be able to play like he used to. I heard that his tendon is torn in one of his hands? That's nerve damage right there and you can kiss any finished album goodbye if that happens.

I feel like this is what makes bands fall apart of hold off because the critiquing is way too harsh, and if it's coming from fans all around then it's almost like what's the point? I'm sure he's afraid people aren't going to receive it well. He said before that he was ready to die for X. They are under a lot of pressure, and while they promised an album so many times and didn't come through, I'm still trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Especially as a musician myself and being a perfectionist, the process is almost never ending. If I had a name as big as X and Yoshiki? The process would be long as hell with wanting to change things and re-do them all while putting up with the criticism of other people.

It seems like a personal thing. I heard that they are planning on releasing it next spring and that it should be done by Christmas. With Yoshiki being a (as frustrating as it is) perfectionist it's gonna take a while. I just think that they shouldn't have promised it if that was going to be the issue. I feel ya'll on that.

I also think you all need to be reminded that they are not the same rebellious guy's in their 20's anymore. Things change, you're not gonna get the crazy X that ya'll seen in the 80's and 90's. Guaranteed. I just think that, just because the direction they are going isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it's deemed as 'not so great' or 'bad'.   

I think a lot of people just need to... idk, chill tf out for a minute and just enjoy the music. Don't get preachy about it not being the same. It's never going to be the same. Their album isn't even released yet, don't deem it as a failure just because a couple of songs didn't tickle your fancy is all I'm sayin.

I get your frustrations, but there are some things i just odn't agree with what is being said.

You're so far off the mark with just about all of this. Stop repeating yourself with things we already know and HAVE known for quite some time. I actually don't have so much of an issue with their "new sound" as much as I do the broken promises, the poor communication and lack of transparency. So many unanswered questions that we'll probably never get to the bottom of. Why didn't Yoshiki do this surgery right after the World Tour of 2011??? They had no appearances until THREE years later. I'm sure in that time he could've had it done and recovered significantly and then been progressing for the past 3 years but no. I mean, as you said, it's his life he can do what he wishes but unless you address the promises to your fans, you're going to get criticized, that's just the way it is.

Now we're faced with probably a year or more until Yoshiki can drum properly, an album that is still 6-8 months away, and an actual TIME FRAME for the remaining life of the band (potentially 5 years) if we're to believe that as an answer from Teemeah's interview. Yoshiki's treating this whole thing like he's trying to make this big breakthrough and take them to a new level....that just does not jive with everything I've just listed. I think they should just release what they have properly and move on to projects that are viable.

I'm not gonna fight here. I didn't know asking a simple question would weed out all the drama. I keep repeating it because you all don't seem to get it through your heads.

What Yoshiki does with his body isn't any of your business. Between management, work, and everything else I'm sure he didn't have much of a choice or thought he did the surgery when it was best for him.

Yoshiki also said in an interview that his management was to blame for a lot of it. You all act like the situation is so black and white.

Just because you're a little pissed doesn't mean the band should only get together for a tour just to end. Even like they said it could go on for 5 years or longer depending  if you want me to stop repeating myself I think everyone else should stop repeating each other and being so damn thick. I wasnt off the mark with anything, yall just expect to be pleased and for these human beings to do everything that convenient for you ( i.e the surgery you just mentioned. Like really? Don't start bringing their personal lives into this.)

I said I understand the frustration with the broken promises, so clearly you skipped over that part of my post but still managed to agree with everyone else saying their new sound is that good over and over and over again.

I'm just tired of people bashing these men just for not kissing their ass or being the way they were before. It's ridiculous. Or do I have to repeat myself and 'be off the mark' again for yall to understand that it's understandable to be pissed, but ridiculous to start bitching about every little thing only to say they should release an album and end it. So damn negative all the damn time.
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Reply #19 on: October 21, 2017, 07:15:47 PM
I see some of your points, but i think a lot of you have to realize that these men are not in their 20's/30's anymore. They aren't rebellious anymore because they aren't trying to rebel anything. They were very different back in their day, it wasn't normal to see people dress and act like them. Now, that's what is all around Japan and the world. Style, different attitudes, and people speaking up and using their voices. Basically they've raised a generation.

I've seen a lot of people say they should just do the reunion and pass the baton to the younger generations, but that is such an ugly attitude to have. The world and the music industry is big enough for the originals and the newbies.

I'm trying to see what X has gone though. From Toshi deadass being brainwashed and hide's death. Now they have some health problems, obviously, Yoshiki has said that even when he was younger he wasn't even supposed to grow up because he could've died. He nearly killed himself at all his shows when you see him collapsing. Then he had neck surgery and possibly or needs to have surgery on his hand. Which makes it incredibly hard as someone who is a pianist and a drummer.

It can be frustrating when you spend money only to be let down. I can understand the anger with that because it's clear that this shit isn't cheap and we all gotta survive.

But to say (Which i've also seen on another forum) that Yoshiki is a joke is asinine. The man is talented as fuck, just maybe too much of a perfectionist.

I thought the songs were good. My personal opinion of course, everyone has theirs. It's just, I don't get how some of ya'll can basically say most of the song are terrible, but I just hate when people start to get aggressively critical about their music because it evolved. It's not the 80's or 90's anymore, this band has been going on for 30 or more years. Things aren't the same. I mean, we all seen what happened to Chester Bennington after people basically boo'd them off stage. People hold their art close to them and when they share it they know they are going to get good a bad reviews.

I just think when it comes to the music, a lot of you are holding onto the past way too much and only giving a narrow passage way for their future stuff to come through.

Let's be real, I don't think I've seen a Japanese band actually make it mainstream in america. They were and are the closest ones to do so. Yoshiki is still got a lot of shit to medically before he'd be able to play like he used to. I heard that his tendon is torn in one of his hands? That's nerve damage right there and you can kiss any finished album goodbye if that happens.

I feel like this is what makes bands fall apart of hold off because the critiquing is way too harsh, and if it's coming from fans all around then it's almost like what's the point? I'm sure he's afraid people aren't going to receive it well. He said before that he was ready to die for X. They are under a lot of pressure, and while they promised an album so many times and didn't come through, I'm still trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Especially as a musician myself and being a perfectionist, the process is almost never ending. If I had a name as big as X and Yoshiki? The process would be long as hell with wanting to change things and re-do them all while putting up with the criticism of other people.

It seems like a personal thing. I heard that they are planning on releasing it next spring and that it should be done by Christmas. With Yoshiki being a (as frustrating as it is) perfectionist it's gonna take a while. I just think that they shouldn't have promised it if that was going to be the issue. I feel ya'll on that.

I also think you all need to be reminded that they are not the same rebellious guy's in their 20's anymore. Things change, you're not gonna get the crazy X that ya'll seen in the 80's and 90's. Guaranteed. I just think that, just because the direction they are going isn't your cup of tea doesn't mean it's deemed as 'not so great' or 'bad'.   

I think a lot of people just need to... idk, chill tf out for a minute and just enjoy the music. Don't get preachy about it not being the same. It's never going to be the same. Their album isn't even released yet, don't deem it as a failure just because a couple of songs didn't tickle your fancy is all I'm sayin.

I get your frustrations, but there are some things i just odn't agree with what is being said.

You're so far off the mark with just about all of this. Stop repeating yourself with things we already know and HAVE known for quite some time. I actually don't have so much of an issue with their "new sound" as much as I do the broken promises, the poor communication and lack of transparency. So many unanswered questions that we'll probably never get to the bottom of. Why didn't Yoshiki do this surgery right after the World Tour of 2011??? They had no appearances until THREE years later. I'm sure in that time he could've had it done and recovered significantly and then been progressing for the past 3 years but no. I mean, as you said, it's his life he can do what he wishes but unless you address the promises to your fans, you're going to get criticized, that's just the way it is.

Now we're faced with probably a year or more until Yoshiki can drum properly, an album that is still 6-8 months away, and an actual TIME FRAME for the remaining life of the band (potentially 5 years) if we're to believe that as an answer from Teemeah's interview. Yoshiki's treating this whole thing like he's trying to make this big breakthrough and take them to a new level....that just does not jive with everything I've just listed. I think they should just release what they have properly and move on to projects that are viable.

I'm not gonna fight here. I didn't know asking a simple question would weed out all the drama. I keep repeating it because you all don't seem to get it through your heads.

What Yoshiki does with his body isn't any of your business. Between management, work, and everything else I'm sure he didn't have much of a choice or thought he did the surgery when it was best for him.

Yoshiki also said in an interview that his management was to blame for a lot of it. You all act like the situation is so black and white.

Just because you're a little pissed doesn't mean the band should only get together for a tour just to end. Even like they said it could go on for 5 years or longer depending  if you want me to stop repeating myself I think everyone else should stop repeating each other and being so damn thick. I wasnt off the mark with anything, yall just expect to be pleased and for these human beings to do everything that convenient for you ( i.e the surgery you just mentioned. Like really? Don't start bringing their personal lives into this.)

I said I understand the frustration with the broken promises, so clearly you skipped over that part of my post but still managed to agree with everyone else saying their new sound is that good over and over and over again.

I'm just tired of people bashing these men just for not kissing their ass or being the way they were before. It's ridiculous. Or do I have to repeat myself and 'be off the mark' again for yall to understand that it's understandable to be pissed, but ridiculous to start bitching about every little thing only to say they should release an album and end it. So damn negative all the damn time.

You are SO off the point here.
Nobody here wants Yoshiki to kiss our asses, but at least do what he is being promising for the last TEN YEARS.

So many people lost THOUSANDS of dollars with things like the Paris concert which was cancelled THREE TIMES due to mismanagement, while Yoshiki keeps whining on Twitter that he "is so ill, please send me nurses" and every week releases a new Hello Kitty doll, a kimono, a fashion show, a new curry spice (yes, he did it) a whatever-unrelated-to-music stuff while his marketing is always saying that he is "working so hard on the new album". Is actually him who wants all the fans to kiss his ass while he is too busy trying to be forcedly famous worldwide.

They London concert was advertised for a whole year before the original date, saying that would be not only a concert, but also the release of the documentary (which is about him, not the band) and the new album. The concert was postponed to a year later (once again, people losing money on tickets and stuff) just to be another concert without the album which is 99% done since 2007.

People here is following them for 15, 20 years and just became hopeless of a true reunion of X, since it is everything about Yoshiki promoting himself.
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Reply #20 on: October 21, 2017, 09:06:45 PM
They will keep repeating the same complaint track all over again, don't bother. Somehow it is a pet peeve here, that in every thread, the same thigns are repeated all over again. The same people posting the same complaints over and over again, like a broken record stuck at one note.



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Reply #21 on: October 22, 2017, 12:06:27 AM
They will keep repeating the same complaint track all over again, don't bother. Somehow it is a pet peeve here, that in every thread, the same thigns are repeated all over again. The same people posting the same complaints over and over again, like a broken record stuck at one note.

What Teemeah and Kayabee keep saying - "Yoshiki is a person and owes you nothing. They aren't in their 20s and 30s anymore. Yoshiki has done no wrong. You aren't supporting him enough and your negativity can cause the band to fall apart."

What Teemeah and Kayabee are really saying - "We're pretty new to this scene and we're in our X Japan honeymoon phase and Yoshiki is a super god who shouldn't have to deal with any harsh criticism but that's ok because we've been fortunate to join the bandwagon after most of you guys have already expelled all of your patience and energy waiting and waiting. We're too new here to understand what X Japan has been since 2007 but surely it can't be that bad guys, just enjoy the music"

What we're all saying - "Yoshiki owes the fans for the things he's promised us. That is just a basic part of being in the business, UNLESS you want to lose all credibility which I'm guessing he DOESN'T because he constantly goes on about how much his fans mean to him. X Japan have been an absolute shell of their former selves due to a HOST of issues, many of which don't seem to make sense or are unexplained by Yoshiki or are completely contradicted by his own actions. For all of this, we're at the end of our patience as long-term fans and take most of what Yoshiki says nowadays with a grain of salt until he delivers."



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Reply #22 on: October 22, 2017, 12:23:21 AM
They will keep repeating the same complaint track all over again, don't bother. Somehow it is a pet peeve here, that in every thread, the same thigns are repeated all over again. The same people posting the same complaints over and over again, like a broken record stuck at one note.

What Teemeah and Kayabee keep saying - "Yoshiki is a person and owes you nothing. They aren't in their 20s and 30s anymore. Yoshiki has done no wrong. You aren't supporting him enough and your negativity can cause the band to fall apart."

What Teemeah and Kayabee are really saying - "We're pretty new to this scene and we're in our X Japan honeymoon phase and Yoshiki is a super god who shouldn't have to deal with any harsh criticism but that's ok because we've been fortunate to join the bandwagon after most of you guys have already expelled all of your patience and energy waiting and waiting. We're too new here to understand what X Japan has been since 2007 but surely it can't be that bad guys, just enjoy the music"

What we're all saying - "Yoshiki owes the fans for the things he's promised us. That is just a basic part of being in the business, UNLESS you want to lose all credibility which I'm guessing he DOESN'T because he constantly goes on about how much his fans mean to him. X Japan have been an absolute shell of their former selves due to a HOST of issues, many of which don't seem to make sense or are unexplained by Yoshiki or are completely contradicted by his own actions. For all of this, we're at the end of our patience as long-term fans and take most of what Yoshiki says nowadays with a grain of salt until he delivers."

Wow you really don't know how to read. Idgaf if I'm fairly new to x japan that doesn't mean any of you are  superior here. I never said yoshiki did no wrong, but you all get mad when your told things aren't going to be the same and the music isn't going to be the same.

I said it was wrong for yoshiki to make empty promises, but I'm not gonna get pissed at any of then for canceling shows when it comes to their health.

What feudal is trying to say is "I'm just a piss baby that is gonna take any response to heart" along with everyone else trying to fight

I was just genuinely trying to understand why people kept calling yoshiki a joke and yall lost all your damn marbles over it.

I see there are a lot of selective readers here so take it or leave it. I'm not fighting with anyone nor am I gonna let some people talk down to me because I haven't been a fan for 15 or 20 years.

I was just trying to give men who are in their damn 59s the benefit of the doubt because we all know they ain't rebellious kids on stage anymore.

What I'm tryna to say is. Chill the fuck out. What is it with most metal heads thinking their so high and damn mighty. Calm the hell diwn.



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Reply #23 on: October 22, 2017, 12:53:48 AM
They will keep repeating the same complaint track all over again, don't bother. Somehow it is a pet peeve here, that in every thread, the same thigns are repeated all over again. The same people posting the same complaints over and over again, like a broken record stuck at one note.

What Teemeah and Kayabee keep saying - "Yoshiki is a person and owes you nothing. They aren't in their 20s and 30s anymore. Yoshiki has done no wrong. You aren't supporting him enough and your negativity can cause the band to fall apart."

What Teemeah and Kayabee are really saying - "We're pretty new to this scene and we're in our X Japan honeymoon phase and Yoshiki is a super god who shouldn't have to deal with any harsh criticism but that's ok because we've been fortunate to join the bandwagon after most of you guys have already expelled all of your patience and energy waiting and waiting. We're too new here to understand what X Japan has been since 2007 but surely it can't be that bad guys, just enjoy the music"

What we're all saying - "Yoshiki owes the fans for the things he's promised us. That is just a basic part of being in the business, UNLESS you want to lose all credibility which I'm guessing he DOESN'T because he constantly goes on about how much his fans mean to him. X Japan have been an absolute shell of their former selves due to a HOST of issues, many of which don't seem to make sense or are unexplained by Yoshiki or are completely contradicted by his own actions. For all of this, we're at the end of our patience as long-term fans and take most of what Yoshiki says nowadays with a grain of salt until he delivers."

Wow you really don't know how to read. Idgaf if I'm fairly new to x japan that doesn't mean any of you are  superior here. I never said yoshiki did no wrong, but you all get mad when your told things aren't going to be the same and the music isn't going to be the same.

I said it was wrong for yoshiki to make empty promises, but I'm not gonna get pissed at any of then for canceling shows when it comes to their health.

What feudal is trying to say is "I'm just a piss baby that is gonna take any response to heart" along with everyone else trying to fight

I was just genuinely trying to understand why people kept calling yoshiki a joke and yall lost all your damn marbles over it.

I see there are a lot of selective readers here so take it or leave it. I'm not fighting with anyone nor am I gonna let some people talk down to me because I haven't been a fan for 15 or 20 years.

I was just trying to give men who are in their damn 59s the benefit of the doubt because we all know they ain't rebellious kids on stage anymore.

What I'm tryna to say is. Chill the fuck out. What is it with most metal heads thinking their so high and damn mighty. Calm the hell diwn.

So once again, you basically repeated yourself. Any other riveting info you got for us? Also, who here said they're mad at the health cancellations? Right, you weren't around when the other ones happened years ago with so little as a "sorry"... To me it seems like you just need to stop trying to talk about shit that you know nothing about.



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Reply #24 on: October 22, 2017, 01:12:48 AM
They will keep repeating the same complaint track all over again, don't bother. Somehow it is a pet peeve here, that in every thread, the same thigns are repeated all over again. The same people posting the same complaints over and over again, like a broken record stuck at one note.

What Teemeah and Kayabee keep saying - "Yoshiki is a person and owes you nothing. They aren't in their 20s and 30s anymore. Yoshiki has done no wrong. You aren't supporting him enough and your negativity can cause the band to fall apart."

What Teemeah and Kayabee are really saying - "We're pretty new to this scene and we're in our X Japan honeymoon phase and Yoshiki is a super god who shouldn't have to deal with any harsh criticism but that's ok because we've been fortunate to join the bandwagon after most of you guys have already expelled all of your patience and energy waiting and waiting. We're too new here to understand what X Japan has been since 2007 but surely it can't be that bad guys, just enjoy the music"

What we're all saying - "Yoshiki owes the fans for the things he's promised us. That is just a basic part of being in the business, UNLESS you want to lose all credibility which I'm guessing he DOESN'T because he constantly goes on about how much his fans mean to him. X Japan have been an absolute shell of their former selves due to a HOST of issues, many of which don't seem to make sense or are unexplained by Yoshiki or are completely contradicted by his own actions. For all of this, we're at the end of our patience as long-term fans and take most of what Yoshiki says nowadays with a grain of salt until he delivers."

Wow you really don't know how to read. Idgaf if I'm fairly new to x japan that doesn't mean any of you are  superior here. I never said yoshiki did no wrong, but you all get mad when your told things aren't going to be the same and the music isn't going to be the same.

I said it was wrong for yoshiki to make empty promises, but I'm not gonna get pissed at any of then for canceling shows when it comes to their health.

What feudal is trying to say is "I'm just a piss baby that is gonna take any response to heart" along with everyone else trying to fight

I was just genuinely trying to understand why people kept calling yoshiki a joke and yall lost all your damn marbles over it.

I see there are a lot of selective readers here so take it or leave it. I'm not fighting with anyone nor am I gonna let some people talk down to me because I haven't been a fan for 15 or 20 years.

I was just trying to give men who are in their damn 59s the benefit of the doubt because we all know they ain't rebellious kids on stage anymore.

What I'm tryna to say is. Chill the fuck out. What is it with most metal heads thinking their so high and damn mighty. Calm the hell diwn.

So once again, you basically repeated yourself. Any other riveting info you got for us? Also, who here said they're mad at the health cancellations? Right, you weren't around when the other ones happened years ago with so little as a "sorry"... To me it seems like you just need to stop trying to talk about shit that you know nothing about.

I repeat myself because you assholes don't like to read. You have as much credibility as anyone else. They broke up in 97 and got back together in 2007. Just because you were here for a few of their in active years doesn't mean your the greatest fan of all so maybe you should get your head out of your ass and once again, stop that selective reading shit.

You don't own them you don't who and who doesn't get to be fan, we all are and we all support them. Read up, someone said that Yoshiki should've dealt with his surgeries long ago like it was simple.

I think you shouldn't  talk if you're not gonna read the full argument and stop being so damn entitled. ✌✌✌

Old metal heads need to stop acting like their better than anyone and everyone else who just arrived. Youre just a little weed in the sea of grass of fans that have actually been there longer than you so it's kind of ridiculous to compare.

I 'repeat' myself. Chill the fuck out. I was just trying to have some compassion for the members which is something you all seem to lack. You want some right here right now but don't take into account the other members schedules, health, management, as well as mastering the whole damn thing and perfecting it.

Dont be an ass. I just wanted to know something and as to why, which I repeat one again since you seem to skip a lot of things, it was wrong to make empty promises,, everyone though yoshiki wasn't a flake or a joke. I know they post  pond the album and canceled shows but everyone seems to a react harshly to it, way more than they should. To the point where people are attacking these men personally. It's a little over the top. Criticise their actions give opinions on the things they release but there were a lot of personal attack against them that why I originally asked the question but yall turned rude real quick.

Once again, chill your fucking horses, man. It's not a fucking competition as to who was here before who.



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Reply #25 on: October 22, 2017, 01:41:13 PM
Op asks question

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....ok?



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Reply #26 on: October 22, 2017, 03:01:08 PM
Well, I actually found this conversation pretty interesting, and informative even though it turned personal at the end. I think, everybody has the right to share their opinions. There's no such thing like "good" or "bad" opinion, people just need to understand that others might disagree with it.

Anyways, there's another thing I want to add to this topic, which is Yoshiki's mental health. Which is non-existent. :D This guy is a mess, since his chindhood to this day, that's for sure,  he even admitted that, and I think that's a major thing behind this disaster. I mean, how could we expect from a mentally instable man to be organised, and make everything as planned, to keep his promises? He's completely fucked up, and he needs help. He needs to put his life together first, after that, maybe we'll get our album and everything.
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Reply #27 on: October 24, 2017, 03:31:52 AM
Well, I actually found this conversation pretty interesting, and informative even though it turned personal at the end. I think, everybody has the right to share their opinions. There's no such thing like "good" or "bad" opinion, people just need to understand that others might disagree with it.

Anyways, there's another thing I want to add to this topic, which is Yoshiki's mental health. Which is non-existent. :D This guy is a mess, since his chindhood to this day, that's for sure,  he even admitted that, and I think that's a major thing behind this disaster. I mean, how could we expect from a mentally instable man to be organised, and make everything as planned, to keep his promises? He's completely fucked up, and he needs help. He needs to put his life together first, after that, maybe we'll get our album and everything.

agreed. it's useless to argue.

and about his mental health, i agree. he's been through a lot and maybe he is getting help, but i know music has been like therapy to him. so I wish him he best.



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Reply #28 on: October 24, 2017, 03:35:20 AM
They will keep repeating the same complaint track all over again, don't bother. Somehow it is a pet peeve here, that in every thread, the same thigns are repeated all over again. The same people posting the same complaints over and over again, like a broken record stuck at one note.

What Teemeah and Kayabee keep saying - "Yoshiki is a person and owes you nothing. They aren't in their 20s and 30s anymore. Yoshiki has done no wrong. You aren't supporting him enough and your negativity can cause the band to fall apart."

What Teemeah and Kayabee are really saying - "We're pretty new to this scene and we're in our X Japan honeymoon phase and Yoshiki is a super god who shouldn't have to deal with any harsh criticism but that's ok because we've been fortunate to join the bandwagon after most of you guys have already expelled all of your patience and energy waiting and waiting. We're too new here to understand what X Japan has been since 2007 but surely it can't be that bad guys, just enjoy the music"

What we're all saying - "Yoshiki owes the fans for the things he's promised us. That is just a basic part of being in the business, UNLESS you want to lose all credibility which I'm guessing he DOESN'T because he constantly goes on about how much his fans mean to him. X Japan have been an absolute shell of their former selves due to a HOST of issues, many of which don't seem to make sense or are unexplained by Yoshiki or are completely contradicted by his own actions. For all of this, we're at the end of our patience as long-term fans and take most of what Yoshiki says nowadays with a grain of salt until he delivers."

once again selective reading. it's useless to talk to you or argue with you. you only read what you want to. and you wonder why i repeat myself. lmao. bye!!!



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Reply #29 on: October 24, 2017, 04:41:28 AM
 ..steps in quietly... Slowly nibbles popcorn... Hears a rustle and freezes.... *Blink blink* Scrolls down page and continues eating popcorn....

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We are not trying to keep the legacy—we are trying to move forward, so our sound is going to change. I’m ready to be criticized, for example by fans saying "you should rather be this style." I’m ready for it, I’m okay with any concept of criticism-Yoshiki