Endless Rain = Endless Pain ?? 0_0

Cruor · **on:** December 14, 2006, 08:04:59 AM

I just noticed.

Secret message or somthing??

Valentine · **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2006, 01:18:29 PM

*points above* What she said.

darkcat21 · **Reply #2 on:** December 14, 2006, 02:11:16 PM

I don't think so, the idea of Endless Rain probably cames from Endless Dream, and Endles Dream don't mean something bad :/, well... i don't know, probably yes.

Valentine · **Reply #3 on:** December 14, 2006, 02:16:42 PM

But pain, when dealt with and when having friends that lift you up in times you can't really deal with it anymore on your own- can be a chance to healing, to finding other ways of thought or look at the situation.... can be a not that bad thing, when looked back at it..... I'm just thinking, please take this as sort of consciousness stream, as I don't think about it as about "full"/proper reaction on what was said, it's more so.... inward thoughts mentioned outwardly, if that makes sense.

Yoshide · **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2006, 07:44:20 AM

i don't think there's any secret messages. but i don't know...

Yoshide · **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2006, 08:09:57 AM

i thought Cruor made it. O_o

darkcat21 · **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2006, 10:45:01 AM

yoshiki ins't lennon or jimmy page, yoshiki never wrote "subliminal" messages

Yoshide · **Reply #7 on:** December 15, 2006, 10:57:09 AM

what subliminal means?

Yoshide · **Reply #8 on:** December 15, 2006, 11:28:43 AM

ah thanks for that. ^^;

Yoshide · **Reply #9 on:** December 15, 2006, 02:28:04 PM

guess so. i think it's just a coincidence..

Yoshide · **Reply #10 on:** December 15, 2006, 02:29:40 PM

oops, yeah it's like drawing..

Yoshide · **Reply #11 on:** December 15, 2006, 02:40:28 PM

haha xD

but nothing is related right? ^^;

Yoshide · **Reply #12 on:** December 15, 2006, 03:26:56 PM

yeah i know, we all know that. pain is like following him...but yeah he stii has million moms who will always support and love him xDD

Cruor · **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2006, 04:37:36 PM

lol

I made it guys. It just popped in my head sorry xD

Yoshide · **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2006, 05:36:59 PM

Cruor --> haha i already thought about it since first time xD

and PanthereNoire...you are absolutely wrong. when we support someone, we don't need to have physical touching with them. the point is our heart. if you always be with someone you even don't care about, it also useless. distance is not matter at all. everyday i pray for him and support him here.

Valentine · **Reply #15 on:** December 15, 2006, 07:54:34 PM

Yoshide........ PN can't be *absolutely* wrong, can she? I mean, we're getting a little bit strong expressions in this thread, I would say (and it's not like I would, personally, like to expand on these ones, even though I have nothing in common with this thread otherwise, I know).....

And, I think, you're both talking about two different things........ Different levels of support, if it's needed to be put this way to be comprehensible-- over distance, it's possible to let Yoshiki-sama know we love him, but, with talking of pain like that, "general" love doesn't reach the level needed, it's more like acknowledging people are there but nothing that can move the actual "bad" [add another word if needed> painful, miserable, un-healable/incurable, etc.] situation/state..........

I'm again not good with expressing myself, so my excuses, I will come to read what you both came to later, I hope the too hot words in here can get a little calmer......

Yoshide · **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2006, 05:37:05 AM

i know my supports are not enough for all his pain. but what do you think i can do as a fan? do you want me just watching him and saying "i feel sorry for your pain". of course not! support him is not about making me feeling better or not. in the fact i always have the anxiety about him.

i will be angry when i have to. but seems you are the one who angry right now. i was saying that he will always have us (if you are included) who will always support him. but then you came with all your theory.

and Valentine --> you are really good in expressing and wording.

Valentine · **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2006, 11:59:16 AM

No, please, don't get into this "who started what"......... As we're still all trying to clarify our thoughts better, let's rather NOT bring this into a personal layer where it doesn't belong....

And, as well, I might have miscomprehend [grammar here- past tense of "miscomprehend" would be.... any help?] few things, but I think PN isn't talking about "her theories"...... As those are facts both observable in the science of psychology and real life that said science studies........ Maybe the word you have had in mind there was something closer to "concepts" or "ideas"? :wink:

And PanthereNoire, if I ever come to be invited as a personal ambassador of yourself, that would be a pleasure on my side :wink: Thank you for such a compliment.

Yoshide · **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2006, 12:52:21 PM

read again what i said before...and it's not concepts or ideas.

Valentine · **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2006, 06:40:36 PM

Well.... I was thinking about this thread in the meantime, and I think I could be clearer with word use. So, what I meant to convey is, it is very clear that PN's posts aren't just full of "theories"- although that is a very used- I would say even overused- word for any complicated stuff.... [And, as I noted, also used to belittle the side we tend to disagree with, which gives it connotations I don't really like to see in this thread AND which I hoped were purely incidental...]

Yet, there exists some evidence to support the claims PN made, both X/Yoshiki related and in the level of general psychology, and it's an evidence from research that has been on for so many years applied to reality again, thus, it's not just an invention of Panthere, if you know where I'm heading at? It is not like she [personally] would be starting [with] it, noting doesn't mean the same thing as provoking a very heated debate......

*gives up* *...... for a while*

Cruor · **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2006, 08:34:50 AM

what hav I done? o_0

xD

Yoshide · **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2006, 02:13:08 PM

Cruor --> xDDD

hyderix · **Reply #22 on:** January 02, 2007, 11:35:55 AM

endless rain =endless pain..

kind of funny words..

but actually I think,Yoshiki always composed many of his songs with sad/painful lyrics melody except X progressive song..

he lived on hard and painful environment..

violently constructed him to a strong person but with a mello heart..

and It's useless if we only support him without do nothing...

I guess Yoshiki just need more time to take a rest and he'll get new inspiration..

Maverick · **Reply #23 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:02:11 PM

Quote from: "hyderix"

endless rain =endless pain..

kind of funny words..

but actually I think,Yoshiki always composed many of his songs with sad/painful lyrics melody except X progressive song..

he lived on hard and painful environment..

violently constructed him to a strong person but with a mello heart..

and It's useless if we only support him without do nothing...

I guess Yoshiki just need more time to take a rest and he'll get new inspiration..

I'm wondering that you're so fixed on that R... i mean "rain" starts with R and Yoshiki hadn't for sure invented the R that it's that similar to the P... LOL
However... of course it's a play on words with rain and pain
but - above all I think that it's a play of words wit 'rain' as symbol for 'tears'.

Yoshide · **Reply #24 on:** January 28, 2007, 06:08:45 PM

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'rain' as symbol for 'tears'

yup!

hyderix · **Reply #25 on:** February 03, 2007, 01:25:17 AM

does it mean endless rain become endless tears..??

Maverick · **Reply #26 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:29:35 AM

Quote from: "hyderix"

does it mean endless rain become endless tears..??

Exactly that does it mean. Rain is always a symbol of tears in Yoshikis Lyrics. :wink:

hyderix · **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:35:31 AM

hm..yoshiki most notable words are tears,memory,dream,love,pain..

but most of his ballads use words tears,love and dream for it lyrics..

and now I'm knowing why yoshiki composed endless rain..

Maverick · **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2007, 10:03:08 AM

Quote from: "hyderix"

hm..yoshiki most notable words are tears,memory,dream,love,pain..

but most of his ballads use words tears,love and dream for it lyrics..

and now I'm knowing why yoshiki composed endless rain..

I don't think it's difficult to figure it out.
It's anyways the same in most of his lyrics: Kurenai, Unfinished, Week End, Rain (performed by Glay), Silent Jealousy, Say Anything... and so on...
And may be in the indies-days much more with hate in it... in example No Connexion
And there are several symbols which return again and again: blue, red, blood, tears, walls, rain, night...