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Forum Games / Your names, please?

« on: March 15, 2007, 04:58:00 PM »

My real name is Lee Ritson  

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 15, 2007, 02:08:28 AM »

Yes, tapping and sweeping doesn't make anyone a better musician, but a technically better guitarist, which I thought was the matter of discussion here
And the variety of genres doesn't matter of course if the stuff you do isn't good.

You got me there then. I did think Pata was the technically better guitarist but I'm not a professional. I just enjoy the music Although I havent heard EVERY Pata song or songs he's been involved in.. I could have sworn I'd heard tapping.. Might have just been standard hammer ons/pull offs though.

Edit: Check the end of "Strato Demon" on the album I posted. Is that tapping at the 4:20 mark or just HO/PO's ?

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 11:40:26 PM »

I don't know who the two japanese guitarists are so I won't comment on those, but Satriani, Vai and the other virtuosos are definitely better than hide.

The 2 Japanese guitarists are from the band "The Black Mages". They do rock versions of Final Fantasy songs. I'm not sure about Michio Okamiya but I know Tsuyoshi Sekito has worked on some of the Final Fantasy soundtracks with Nobuo Uematsu (who is also in The Black Mages btw) and also done a lot of other video game work. If you search for The Black Mages on youtube you'll see both of them in action.

But about Pata is also that he doesn't really seem to have a wide range of techniques, just standard guitar playing, I've never seen him sweep, tap or anything out of the ordinary. hide I know at least can do some cool tapping stuff.

I have yet to hear hide put these talents to really good use though. While he does have some great songs, I find a lot of hide's stuff to be a bit repetitive and boring to tell you the truth and his voice is far from being good. He's definately a better guitarist than singer. I'd much rather listen to instrumentals of hide's songs. Maybe Pata doesnt use many different techniques but I personally feel like he plays a wider variety of genres and that it shows more of a musical variety than hide. If you think about it, just because someone can tap, fingerpick, sweep, slide etc, it doesnt necessarily mean they are a good musician. I think Pata is the better musician because of the variety of genre's he plays, not the techniques he plays with

And about bursting my bubble, I used to think so myself, but after some studying I started to think otherwise. And this was based on X material. I had some Pata's solo stuff on my comp but I thought it sucked and deleted, so I can't really analyze them. I did however download it again from your link, maybe I'll change my view again after some more studying, who knows ;P

Well I suppose this is all down to opinion. I personally think Pata is the better guitarist due to the many different genres he plays and that the showmanship is the reason hide was lead in X. hide's style was unique and weird and they knew from day 1 that it would help with making money and getting recognition.

And to add, I am not really one of the hide-fans, so I'm saying this from an objective point of view

Thats good to know Its never fun trying to argue with a fanboy/fangirl  

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 09:56:23 PM »

James Hetfield, Kirk Hammet, Iron Maidens lead guitarist (cant remember his name)

Noo way. Kirk is overrated as hell, James is good with ballads and I'd say Iron Maidens guitar heros are kinda on the same level as our hide and Pata. The others are definitely better than hide, and Pata too.

Kirk over-rated? I'd like to see hide try and play the Master of Puppets solo   In terms of guitar playing and not music writing, all of the people I mentioned are superior to hide in my opinion.

IMO Pata's solos are mostly kinda boring and uncreative, as for hide had some great moments, like Phantom of Guilt, Week End, Dice, Eyes Love You (just listen to that tapping part) etc. He had some talent even tho he is definitely not the best guitarist in the world, not even one of the best. I believe there was a reason why he was the lead guitarist, not Pata (besides the charisma and stage performance(which hide lacked too at times)).

I hate to burst your bubble but Pata could have been the greatest guitarist in the world and hide would still have been the lead. The reason he was the lead guitarist is not because he was a better guitar player, it was because of his style/charisma. Pata just enjoyed playing the music. hide enjoyed playing the music but he had to dress like a woman or dress in some unique/strange clothes with big hair and run around like a monkey on crack. THAT is why he was the lead guitarist.. because that is what sells the merchandise.

Technically it can't be argued that Pata was better than hide. But he lacked the charisma and crazyness that fans loved in hide, so it's possible to say that from that point of view hide was indeed better... So it's not a question of 'who is better?' but rather 'who is better in a certain aspect?'...

Well in this aspect we are talking about guitar playing In terms of musical abilities, Pata is better. In terms of stage performance and crowd interaction, hide was better.

Beauty is in the lookers eyes... Or in this case the listeners...

Technically it can't be argued that Pata was better than hide.

Well, I wouldn't be so sure about that. hide sure is sloppier, but Pata had a bad habit of missing some bends too. And as for which ones solos are more challenging to play, it is definitely hide. Just listen to the tapping part of Eyes Love you, compare the solos of Week End, X, Patas solos are all quite simple and you don't have to be so precise with the technique, I think the difference can be heard if you listen to Stab Me In The Back and I'll Kill You solos by Pata and then listen to the hide parts of X and Week End, and why not the Pata parts from there too.

If the solo is split in 2 parts and hide plays for 20 seconds then Pata plays for 20 seconds, that doesnt mean hide wrote the first 20 seconds then Pata wrote the last 20 seconds. hide might have written the full solo and "shared" it with Pata or vice versa. Taiji also wrote a few solo's in the earlier songs aswell as Yoshiki. hide and Pata could have both written the solos together but played different parts. You cant really compare what they played in X because you dont actually know who wrote the music and as hide was the lead guitarist, they may have given him "harder" parts to play and left the easy basic stuff to Pata to play in the background.

If you look at their solo works however, Pata has played such a wide variety of songs in his solo stuff and with other people (Dope HEADz, Ra:IN etc) whereas hide hasnt. I think another reason for this is Pata plays music. Thats it. A lot of his solo stuff is instrumentals and he works hard on writing the music to make it as good as it is. hide however has to write music, write the lyrics, pick out what to wear, design new clothes/promotional stuff to go with the releases, do photoshoots etc. hide has a lot more stuff to do than Pata which is where hide falls short I think. If he only concentrated on the music and not everything else, he might have had time to produce a wider variety of styles.

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 05:08:11 PM »

i havent found a better guitarist,thats what i mean
this is my opinion,what can i say?he has totally "inspired" me to start playing the guitar again and i'm not exaggerating.......he is great to me and i dont know someone better.well,not yet;)

Steve Vai, John Petrucci, Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Herman Li, Sam Totman, James Hetfield, Kirk Hammet, Iron Maidens lead guitarist (cant remember his name), Tsuyoshi Sekito (Black Mages), Michio Okamiya (Black Mages) are just a few off the top of my head. If you dont like them or the music they perform then that's fine but all of the above are more skilled with a guitar and can play a wider variety of styles than hide.

I'd even go as far as to say is a better player than hide.  

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 05:00:00 PM »

Then something must be wrong with me since I oppose comparing of art(ists) so much.

However, sorry I went here anyway, but I had to look since I'm kind of responsible for the posts in this subforum.

I'm outta here.

While you probably try not to do it, everyone compares things in life. You might be out shopping for a dress and you are unsure which one to buy so you are comparing the 2 dresses and working out which one is best for you. You might be unsure of what to have for lunch so you might compare the items and see which is healthier, which tastes better etc. Comparing things is part of everyday life.

And anyway, there's no harm in comparing the 2  

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 04:51:22 PM »

i really dont like comparing...imo hide is better.*IMO*and i dont say this because i'm obsessed with him,its just that i have never found a better guitar player.i mean his solos....damn....so good....and maybe because hide HAD the chance to prove his talent,since he was the lead guitarist.

There is something very wrong with this statement. If you prefer hide, great. If you think his solo's are good, great. But to say you have never found a better guitar player is just silly.

hide is a good guitarist, not a great one. There are thousands, possibly millions of people more skilled with a guitar than hide. Now if you said "I prefer hide's style of playing more than anyone else" then thats fine, but to say you havent found a better guitar player...

I'm assuming you meant you prefer his style of playing as there are lots of better guitarists  :wink:


While I do agree with this, it would be better if he got more credit and was a bit more popular because at this rate, he wont be coming over to the UK anytime soon and I sure as hell cant afford to go to Japan    He did play with Ra:IN in France and I think that sold quite well so hopefully he comes back with them to the UK or somewhere in Europe that I can get to fairly cheaply  

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Help / myspace songs download?

« on: March 14, 2007, 04:46:54 PM »

Yeah I suppose so. I have to be nice to Mark. He is my personal credit card. When I need to buy stuff I loan the money from him and pay him back when I can afford it  

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Forum Games / What NON X Japan song are you listening to?

« on: March 14, 2007, 04:10:41 PM »

Theme from MGS3: Snake Eater

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Help / myspace songs download?

« on: March 14, 2007, 04:08:42 PM »

but to be fair. Mark would be useless without me because I introduced him to the world of X Japan and Japanese rock music.. therefore I am the superior one. SO HA. EAT THAT MARK  :twisted:


 

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 04:06:51 PM »

What IS the point of comparing? I don't get it, please tell me, cause I'm too curious.

Its part of life. Everyone is always comparing one thing to another. Whether it be music, films, tv, food, whatever. Everyone compares one thing to another to work out which is the best in the field you are discussing (which is music here).

And lets not forget, comparing things is always based around that persons opinion anyway. I like them both but Pata is better.  

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Help / myspace songs download?

« on: March 14, 2007, 03:01:11 PM »

Where to get it? From the greatest person in the world. Me    

*links removed for security reasons*

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 03:00:21 PM »

If you were a guy, i'd say prepare to have your balls ripped off  :lol:

Its nice to see someone agrees with me for once. I'm used to "NO HIDE IS THE BEST YOU SUCK" and other similar comments.

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 02:08:36 PM »

That just means hide was more active in the song writing. And i'm not pointing fingers at anyone but a lot of people "praise" hide like he was some sort of god. He was unique and quite a strange person and yes, he was talented. But he's not THAT good. He isnt one of the greatest guitar players ever (Someone actually stated that on their myspace profile  :roll: )

Musically, I just prefer Pata. His music style is a lot more mixed and he doesnt need any gimmicks or any particular look to play. People will argue with me and say i'm wrong but a lot of hide's popularity is due to his unique look and style, not his skills as a musician.

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Help / myspace songs download?

« on: March 14, 2007, 01:57:46 PM »

Last Live Radio Version??  :shock:

Sure you dont mean Art Of Life Radio Version?

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Pata / Damn, I'm good: Pata - Road of Love PV

« on: March 14, 2007, 01:51:08 PM »

Eh maybe not. YouTube sucks.

PATA - Road Of Love - Live on Music Station (1993-11-12)
One of Pata's solo performances "Road Of Love" live on Music Station in 1993. I dont know this for sure but someone said the other One of Pata's solo performances "Road Of Love" live on Music Station in 1993. I dont know this for sure but someone said the others are "James Christian" on vocals, "Tim Bogert" on bass and "Tommy Aldridge" on drums. Enjoy (more) (less)
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Pata / Damn, I'm good: Pata - Road of Love PV

« on: March 14, 2007, 12:46:33 PM »

I've got a live version of this, i'll upload it later

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 14, 2007, 12:08:28 PM »

Ok, don't get ME wrong, but I'm so fucking fed up with people comparing those two.

However, I agree with Pata being a great musician AND certainly underrated.

People compare them because they were in the same band. They both played the same instrument in the same band for what.. 10 years?? And the both wrote music for the band aswell.. so why not compare them?

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Offtopic / Your first JRock/JPOP or japanese music listenings

« on: March 13, 2007, 11:25:12 PM »

I started with a bit of Chinese music. "Traditional" Chinese music > Vivian Hsu > Vicki Zhao (Zhao Wei) > Ayumi Hamasaki > Aya Ueto > SPEED > Morning Musume (and most of the Hello! Project sub-groups/solo stuff) > X Japan.

Going from Morning Musume > X Japan is an odd step. If you are wondering how that happened, a friend of mine that I speak to online knew that I listened to "crappy Japanese stuff" as he put it and his friend setup an FTP for him to download some music and he saw a "Japanese Music" folder and said to me "This guy has some of the crappy JP music you like" so I told him to let me see what it is. I logged into the FTP and there were 2 folders. Ayumi Hamasaki and X JAPAN. I knew who Ayumi Hamasaki was so I went into the X Japan folder and it had random mp3s aswell as the "X Japan - Perfect Best" album. I downloaded them all to check it out and the first song I listened to which got me hooked was "Endless Rain". After realising how amazingly awesome X Japan were, I decided to go and try out other Japanese rock bands. And it all went uphill from there. Now I listen to loads of Japanese bands (mostly rock/metal but a few pop artists too) aswell as Korean and Chinese and pretty much any language. I'm more of a music person than a lyrics person which is why I have no problem listening to foreign language music. If the music is good then i'm happy. They can be singing about slaughtering children and animals for all I care.. as long as it has good music playing then i'll listen

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Offtopic / myspace....

« on: March 13, 2007, 11:15:12 PM »

www.myspace.com/bizkitroach

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Pata / Severely Under-rated

« on: March 13, 2007, 11:13:12 PM »

Dont get me wrong, I like hide.. but in my opinion, Pata's music-writing skills are superior to hide's. I have Pata's solo albums and some of the songs are amazing. "Positively Unsure" is such a beautifully written song its unbelievable. I could listen to it all day. Its the 10th track on his self titled first album from 1993.

I do like hide's solo stuff but it can get a bit boring to be honest. I can only listen to some songs a couple of times before I want to switch it off. A lot of Pata's music is relaxing and I can listen to it over and over again. Its awesome.

Oh, and his work in Dope HEADz and Ra:IN is also excellent.