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Offtopic / Singstar/Guitar Hero/Rock Band
« on: October 17, 2008, 01:46:43 PM »
Which do you have, which do you play? I don't have any of these but I often play singstar when visiting friends. I imagine rock band to be fun, @ everyone who played it: How is it? Is it frustrating for real musicians?  ;D

Btw, here some upcoming singstar versions

SingStar Boy Bands Vs Girl Groups (this one is utter shit  >:()
SingStar Country
SingStar Singalong with Disney (!)
SingStar Legends (new one?)
SingStar ABBA
SingStar Hits from the Musicals

extra German lulz

SingStar Turkish Party (I HOPE THIS ONE HAS TARKAN)

TV / Movies / Anime / movie/tv/anime/etc. help
« on: October 05, 2008, 09:22:23 PM »
This is an entertainment help thread.

If you want to find a movie/show title etc. you can ask fellow XFF members, maybe someone can help you out.

I might as well start  :P So there's this anime (I think it was one) where people make themselves really tiny and go into sich peoples' bodies and help them if they could. Sometimes or most of the time they have to fight against some other guys (inside of the people). I found it once but now I've forgotten the title all over again, I've watched the series in Estonia so basically I can't even remember the theme anymore (maybe Sander knows something *waits*).

Halp me please   :(

Forum Games / [GAME] TV show picture game
« on: September 14, 2008, 07:26:12 PM »
A lot like the movie pic game but a little "advanced":

- post a picture from a tv show (NO REALITY TV!)
- the one who guesses the show, the season and the episode title gets to post the next picture
- should it be your turn and you don't post a new picture during the following 24 hours, another user can post a picture of their choice instead

Let's start with something easy, and don't forget, name of the show, season number and episode title are required.

Forum Games / The last movie you saw
« on: September 13, 2008, 11:13:56 PM »
What was the last movie you saw? (in cinema/on tv/on DVD) Instead of just posting the titles (which you are free to do) you could also rate the movie or write your opinion on it or something.

I just finished watching "Hero" (not the Jet Li one), great gangster movie (actually I've seen many gangster movies lately...De Niro could have something to do with that  ;D)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkfl_0_BhEo [/youtube]

(click here if the video above isn't working)

Takeshi Kaneshiro and Yuen Biao play triade bosses. There are some amazing fighting scenes and the end is just sad :/

Forum Games / Random facts about you
« on: September 11, 2008, 09:47:05 AM »
Tell me something weird/funny/random about you. It can basically be anything.

Random: I used to be a total failure at long throwing. But with the help of my father and Bruce Lee (yes) I became pretty good, even won two gold medals in school athletic sports competitions later on. If you wanna learn the long throw, watch Jeet Kune Do videos.


Forum Games / [GAME] Who is your daddy and what does he do?
« on: September 06, 2008, 05:10:13 PM »

Thread starter (me) posts a quote and the person who guesses which movie it's from can post the next one.
I'd appreciate it if the quote was put in
quote tags
to avoid unnecessary confusion.

MY quote is the TITLE of this thread, it's a fairly easy one  ;)


Offtopic / The political climate in your country
« on: September 05, 2008, 06:35:03 PM »
What's it like at the moment?

In Austria, we'll soon have a legislative snap election (on 28 September '08). Since 2006, we've had a grand coalition between the two biggest parties - the ÖVP (Christian dems) and the SPÖ (social dems) - but it didn't work out.

From the "Austrian legislative election 2008" Wiki page:

The election set a record for the largest amount of parties contesting the election nationally, with ten parties:

    * Social Democratic Party of Austria (SPÖ, social democratic)
    * Austrian People's Party (ÖVP, Christian democratic)
    * The Greens – The Green Alternative (GRÜNE, green)
    * Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ, nationalist)
    * Alliance for the Future of Austria (BZÖ, nationalist)
    * Liberal Forum (LIF, liberal)
    * Citizens' Forum Austria (FRITZ, Christian socialist)
    * Communist Party of Austria (KPÖ, communist)
    * Save Austria (RETTÖ, eurosceptic)
    * The Christians (DC, Christian conservative)

A survey on this site shows the popularity of each party right now

Date: 05.09.08                                           
Institute: gallup

SPÖ: 28%
ÖVP: 27%
GRÜ: 12%
FPÖ: 17%
BZÖ:  6%
FRI :  3%
LIF:   4%
KPÖ, RÖ, Chr, Others: 0 %

Those 17% of the FPÖ really bother me. Only today I noticed that the city was plastered with (really big) FPÖ and almost equally as many BZÖ posters, only here (in a part of the city where there are almost only immigrants like me) have I seen a whole of 2(!) SPÖ ads. BZÖ is actually a "fairly" young party, it's a split group of the FPÖ. As far as I remember they split because of "differences" (the BZÖ was a little to extreme for the FPÖ which decreased their chances of actually winning an election; notice the BZÖ's colour, kind of close to brown, heh?). Today I overheard a conversation between two "collegues" of mine, they were talking about voting for the FPÖ because they liked Strache (leader of the FPÖ) for some reason...I thought that was pretty inconsiderate since 50% of our class aren't Austrians. What makes it even sadder is that they obviously only want to vote blue because the grand coalition sucked...well, yeah, but you can still vote green or red or black, doesn't mean it will be a grand coalition again, just please don't vote for the Nazis because that coalition sucked  :-\

TV / Movies / Anime / Dragonball: The Movie
« on: September 03, 2008, 02:03:18 PM »
Dragonball Trailer Screenshots: First Look At James Marsters as Piccolo


I'm so going to see this, no matter how inaccurate it is.  :o



Offtopic / Stereotypes you've encountered
« on: August 31, 2008, 06:26:34 PM »
What stereotypes have you personally encountered? Be it because of your appearance, race, nationality, sex, sexual orientation, age, a hobby, your neighbourhood etc.

Three things that happen to me very often:

1. People assume I like/drink a lot of vodka becuse I'm half Russian. Quite frankly I love to see the disappointment on their faces when I say I don't drink.
2. Often, people start talking to me slowly and in Standard German when I say I'm not originally from Austria. It's funny because until I mention that, they talk really fast and in dialect and I obviously understand them perfectly.
3. Almost everyone assumes I love to party and go out all the time because I'm 20.

Tell me some fun (or not so fun) stuff.

Offtopic / Sexism
« on: August 10, 2008, 08:44:53 PM »
I've been reading stuff up on this topic all day long so why not have a topic about sexism here?

How about this for a theme starter? An oldie but a goldie for sure amirite

"feminazi myth machine"? Like, "Jewish Holocaust myth" maybe? OIC.

Basically this thread is for venting over such stupidity, and, well, tell me stuff, idk, personal experiences with sexism.

Offtopic / lol PETA
« on: August 07, 2008, 08:00:17 PM »
PETA ad slammed
Compares beheading to slaughter of animals

An animal rights group attempted to purchase an ad in a Sun Media-owned newspaper which compares the beheading of Tim McLean Jr. to the slaughter of animals. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals officials hoped to run an ad this week in the Portage Daily Graphic that uses lines such as, "An innocent young victim's throat is cut" and "The man with the knife shows no emotion." The description leads the reader to believe it's describing McLean's death aboard a Greyhound bus last week about 20 km west of Portage la Prairie. Only later is it revealed the ad is referring to the slaughterhouse treatment of animals.
"We're really challenging everyone who was shocked by this horrendous crime against Tim McLean to go to our website and see for themselves that animals every day go through exactly what he went through," PETA spokeswoman Lindsay Rajt told the Winnipeg Sun yesterday. Barry Clayton, publisher for the Portage Daily Graphic, said the ad would not appear in his newspaper. PETA has made the text available on its website.

One friend of McLean's said PETA's ad is misguided. "I'm behind animal protection ... but don't try and take away from what Tim was. He was a great person," said Doug Mitchell, who helped organize a vigil for McLean at the Manitoba Legislature last weekend. "It just seems they're trying to take that away from the light. I know Tim loved animals ... but don't run something so gruesome with something else that's gruesome."

PETA did not contact McLean's family regarding the ad, Rajt said. She said McLean's death was horrific and that "our hearts go out to his family."

One ethics specialist described the ad as deliberately shocking. "It's meant to draw attention to their cause," said Arthur Schafer, director of the University of Manitoba's Centre for Professional and Applied Ethics. The ad seems geared towards forcing people to confront the treatment and slaughter of animals, he said, adding it could backfire and not generate sympathy for animals at all. "It's timing is such I think it will massively turn people off," said Schafer.

Peter Miller, a scholar in philosophy and ethics at the University of Winnipeg, said the ad is a gamble on PETA's part. "I would think (the ad) would cause harm for the friends and family of McLean. Others may be revolted by it or think it's in bad taste," said Miller. McLean's family could not be reached for comment yesterday.


The one with the "holocaust on your plate" was more shocking, PETA, try harder pls.

Forum Games / Your eye colour
« on: August 06, 2008, 03:55:16 PM »
Hazel eyes often appear to shift in color from a light brown to a medium golden-green. A number of studies using three-point scales have assigned "hazel" to be the medium-color between light blue and dark brown. (...) This can sometimes produce a multicolored iris, i.e., an eye that is light brown near the pupil and charcoal or amber/dark green on the outer part of the iris (and vice versa) when observed in sunlight. (...) Definitions of the eye color "hazel" vary: it is sometimes considered to be synonymous with light-brown, gold, or other times with green or dark green. In North America, "hazel" is often used to describe eyes that appear to change color, ranging from light brown to green and even gray, depending on current lighting in the environment.


This is a very srs topic mkay.

Help / X-Japan tabs, chords etc. (LIST)
« on: August 06, 2008, 08:18:38 AM »

Offtopic / Typography on youtube
« on: July 29, 2008, 03:20:59 PM »
Watt is datt?


Edited for frther lulz

TV / Movies / Anime / X-Men Origins: Wolverine
« on: July 25, 2008, 05:58:04 PM »
First look (teaser/trailer caps)

More @ superherohype (including The Blob, Emma Frost, Deadpool, Wolverine etc)

Other Bands / Oh no, he's wearing THAT uniform
« on: July 21, 2008, 04:04:09 PM »
We've already been dicussing it here and in some other threads but now that we have this thread, please keep all the Nazi wank in here.

This thread was made to discuss Japanese musicians and their "fascination" with Third Reich uniforms/symbols etc.

Recent example

wank on!

TV / Movies / Anime / Star Trek (2009)
« on: July 18, 2008, 09:54:19 AM »


J.J. Abrams

Roberto Orci (written by) &
Alex Kurtzman (written by) ...

Release Date:
8 May 2009 (USA)

A chronicle of the early days of James T. Kirk and his fellow USS Enterprise crew members.


Chris Pine...Kirk
Zachary Quinto...Spock
Eric Bana... Nero
Winona Ryder... Amanda Grayson
Zoe Saldana...Nyota Uhura
Karl Urban... Leonard 'Bones' McCoy
Bruce Greenwood...Christopher Pike
John Cho...Hikaru Sulu
Leonard Nimoy...Spock
Simon Pegg...Scotty
Anton Yelchin...Pavel Chekov
Greg Ellis...Chief Engineer Olson


Character posters

James T. Kirk (Chris Pine)

Mr. Spock (Zachary Quinto)

Uhura (Zoe Saldana)

Nero (Eric Bana)


*waiting for Trekkies to pop up*

TV / Movies / Anime / Terminator Salvation (2009)
« on: July 16, 2008, 11:28:33 PM »

Klick on the pic to get to the movie's imdb profile.

Here's the teaser trailer in good quality.

or on youtube


Ok, I'll admit it, I'm pumped!  :o This can only be better than T3 right?


Forum Games / When is your birthday, X Freaks?
« on: July 14, 2008, 08:14:48 AM »
Ok guys, we alread have a birthday thread in the offtopic section.

This thread is more of a collection, just so everybody knows when to congratulate whom.

I'll add every entry to this first post and maybe I (or somebody else if I don't have time) can make a post here every time a member has birthday so it won't be overlooked.
I'll start m'kay

X Freaks' birthdays

12.01. - tenshi
27.01. - ferret
31.01. - Aerce

10.02. - Ryo-Ohki
16.02. - aruzo

03.03. - Maya19
07.03. - friday

06.04. - Matthias

03.05. - Dusu

05.06. - leria83
19.06. - MillieQOF

10.07. - 003chan
13.07. - Why_am_i_here
15.07. - Zwanster
19.07. - Amethyst_Dahlia
21.07. - Tordek42

10.08. - Skooter
26.08. - Orbis

04.09. - hideisgod
05.09. - Hypno
28.09. - Hurley

01.10. - Sayu
05.10. - AsukaMiyu
16.10. - alex

23.11. - MIHO

12.12. - Lucs
18.12. - Envenom
31.12. - Yurga~

TV / Movies / Anime / Don S. Davis has passed away
« on: July 01, 2008, 10:03:34 AM »

"Dear Fans and Friends of Don S. Davis,

So many of you have been touched by not only the work and art of Don S. Davis, but by the man himself, who always took the time to be with you at the appearances he loved, that it is with a tremendous sense of loss I must share with you that Don passed away from a massive heart attack on Sunday morning, June 29th.

On behalf of his family and wife, Ruby, we thank you for your prayers and condolences. A family memorial where Don's ashes will be scattered in the ocean will take place in a few weeks, and should you wish to, please make a donation to the American Heart Association in Don's memory."

He was perhaps best known for playing General Hammond in Stargate SG-1. His resume lists over 130 separate projects, ranging from dozens upon dozens of movies, to Twin Peaks, to playing Scully's father in the X-Files.

He's had a wide career and will be missed. I'm gutted that I missed him two weeks ago.

Respectful comments, please.

Source: e-mail from his agent

actually stolen from here

I believe sci-fi fans will recognise him at once, but also people who just watch tv a lot. He was a great actor, imo, very natural and convincing.

RIP :(

Also, here's the link to his art site


...Damn, looks like he was an artist through and through, so many talents.

Offtopic / The Douchiest Phone Message In History
« on: June 28, 2008, 10:40:30 AM »
You know you want it

He knows how to make a girl feel..."special".

Offtopic / Racists use Obama for their cause (long article)
« on: June 24, 2008, 10:00:28 AM »
Hate Groups' Newest Target

White Supremacists Report an Increase in Visits to Their Web Sites

By Eli Saslow
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 22, 2008; Page A06

Sen. Barack Obama's historic victory in the Democratic primaries, celebrated in America and across much of the world as a symbol of racial progress and cultural unity, has also sparked an increase in racist and white supremacist activity, mainly on the Internet, according to leaders of hate groups and the organizations that track them.
Neo-Nazi, skinhead and segregationist groups have reported gains in numbers of visitors to their Web sites and in membership since the senator from Illinois secured the Democratic nomination June 3. His success has aroused a community of racists, experts said, concerned by the possibility of the country's first black president.

"I haven't seen this much anger in a long, long time," said Billy Roper, a 36-year-old who runs a group called White Revolution in Russellville, Ark. "Nothing has awakened normally complacent white Americans more than the prospect of America having an overtly nonwhite president."
Such groups have historically inflated their influence for self-promotion and as an intimidation technique, and they refused to provide exact membership numbers or open their meetings to a reporter. Leaders acknowledged that their numbers remain very small -- "the flat-globe society still has more people than us," Roper said. But experts said their claims reveal more than hyperbole this time.

"The truth is, we're finding an explosion in these kinds of hateful sentiments on the Net, and it's a growing problem," said Deborah Lauter, civil rights director for the Anti-Defamation League, which monitors hate group activity. "There are probably thousands of Web sites that do this now. I couldn't even tell you how many are out there because it's growing so fast."
Neo-Nazi and white power groups acknowledge that they have little ability to derail Obama's candidacy, so instead some have decided to take advantage of its potential. White-power leaders who once feared Obama's campaign have come to regard it as a recruiting tool. The groups now portray his candidacy as a vehicle to disenfranchise whites and polarize America.

Obama has worked hard to minimize the issue of race in his presidential campaign. When asked about divisiveness and hate, he talks instead about ways in which unity between blacks and whites has inspired him. He chose to "reject and denounce" an endorsement from Nation of Islam minister Louis Farrakhan. Obama quit his church after his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., spoke of racism and oppression in the "United States of white America."
Earlier this month, Obama's campaign launched a Web site to defuse the false rumors that hate-mongers spread on the Internet. The site lists a series of untruths about Obama -- that he is Muslim; that his books contain racist passages; that his wife, Michelle, used the word "whitey" -- and discredits them.

"The Obama campaign isn't going to let dishonest smears spread across the Internet unanswered," Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement. "We have to be proactive and fight back." But on a Web site run out of a house in West Palm Beach, Fla., the other side is also fighting.
Don Black spends 16 hours each day on his laptop computer reading hundreds of derogatory Obama comments posted on Stormfront.org, a Web site with the motto "white pride world wide." Black, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, launched the site in 1995 to create a central meeting place for the white power movement. In the wake of Obama's securing enough delegates for the nomination, Stormfront, he says, has begun to fulfill his vision.

A site that drew a few thousand visitors per day in 2002 has expanded into Black's full-time job, attracting more than 40,000 unique users each day who can post on 54 different message boards, he said. Black has enlisted 40 moderators and his 19-year-old son to help run Stormfront.

Posters on Stormfront complain that Obama represents the end of "white rule" and the beginning of "multiculturalism." They fear that he will promote affirmative action, support illegal immigration and help render whites, who make up two-thirds of the U.S. population, "the new minority."
"I get nonstop e-mails and private message from new people who are mad as hell about the possibility of Obama being elected," said Black, a white power activist since the 1970s. "White people, for a long time, have thought of our government as being for us, and Obama is the best possible evidence that we've lost that. This is scaring a lot of people who maybe never considered themselves racists, and it's bringing them over to our side."

Almost all white power leaders said they are benefiting from the rise in recruits. David Duke, a former Louisiana state representative and a longtime advocate of racial segregation, said hits to his Web site have doubled and that more organizations now request him as a guest speaker. Dan Hill, who runs an extremist group in northern Michigan, says his cohorts are more willing to "take serious action" and plan rallies to protest politicians and immigration. Roper says White Revolution receives about 10 new applicants each week, more than double the norm.

The past few months reflect a recent trend of hate group growth, watch organizations said. Fueled primarily by anti-immigration sentiment, white supremacy groups have increased by nearly half since 2000, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups. The KKK has diversified regionally and now has about 150 chapters spread through 34 states.

"Our side does better when the public is being pressured, when gas prices are high, when housing is bad, when a black man might be president," said Ron Doggett, who runs a white power group called EURO in Richmond. "People start looking for solutions and changes, and we offer radical changes to what's going on."

The new interest has led to a debate among white supremacists about how to harness it. So far, groups have executed a few small efforts to disrupt Obama's campaign. A bar in Georgia sells T-shirts depicting Obama's campaign slogan under the image of a monkey. A New York group distributed bumper stickers that read: "Wake up white people." Hill, who trains in militia and survival techniques with his group in northern Michigan, drove to an Obama rally and tried to "fire people up, maybe get a riot started or something."

The groups also despise Republican Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for his moderate views on immigration and his willingness to stick with the Iraq war. Better for Obama to win, leaders said, because his presidency could fuel a recruitment drive big enough to launch events that the white power movement has spent decades anticipating.

"One person put it this way: Obama for president paves the way for David Duke as president," said Duke, who ran for president in 1988, received less than 1 percent of the vote and has since spent much of his time in Europe. "This is finally going to make whites begin to realize it's a necessity to stick up for their own heritage, and that's going to make them turn to people like me. We're the next logical step."

There is also another possibility, of course, one that makes white power leaders despise Obama even more.

"What you try not to think about is that maybe if Obama wins, it will create a very demoralizing effect," Doggett said. "Maybe people see him in office, and it's like: 'That's it. It's just too late. Look at what's happened now. We've endured all these defeats, and we've still got a multicultural society.' And then there's just no future for our viewpoint."


I'm going to read up the shit they write on stormfront now, the things those people find to be logical are remarkable.

Suggestions / re: I would really like something to be done about PN
« on: June 07, 2008, 05:04:21 PM »
This topic has been moved, that's right, moved, NOT deleted, so don't panic, all your posts are still there and the staff can/ and will (actually has) read them.

You may bombard me with PMs if you want to.

Your (un)friendly admin,


Offtopic / Oh, those crazy homophobes...(long ass article)
« on: June 02, 2008, 08:32:06 AM »
Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?

Posted: Friday, March 02, 2007 at 3:40 am ET

What if you could know that your unborn baby boy is likely to be sexually attracted to other boys? Beyond that, what if hormonal treatments could change the baby's orientation to heterosexual? Would you do it? Some scientists believe that such developments are just around the corner.

For some time now, scientists have been looking for a genetic or hormonal cause of sexual orientation. Thus far, no "gay gene" has been found -- at least not in terms of incontrovertible and accepted science. Yet, it is now claimed that a growing body of evidence indicates that biological factors may at least contribute to sexual orientation.

The most interesting research along these lines relates to the study of sheep. Scientists at the U.S. Sheep Experiment Station are conducting research into the sexual orientation of sheep through "sexual partner preference testing." As William Saletan at Slate.com explains:

A bare majority of rams turn out to be heterosexual. One in five swings both ways. About 15 percent are asexual, and 7 percent to 10 percent are gay.

Why so many gay rams? Is it too much socializing with ewes? Same-sex play with other lambs? Domestication? Nope. Those theories have been debunked. Gay rams don't act girly. They're just as gay in the wild. And a crucial part of their brains--the "sexually dimorphic nucleus"--looks more like a ewe's than like a straight ram's. Gay men have a similar brain resemblance to women. Charles Roselli, the project's lead scientist, says such research "strongly suggests that sexual preference is biologically determined in animals, and possibly in humans."

What makes the sheep "sexual partner preference testing" research so interesting is that the same scientists who are documenting the rather surprising sexual behaviors of male sheep think they can also change the sexual orientation of the animals. In other words, finding a biological causation for homosexuality may also lead to the discovery of a "cure" for the same phenomenon.

That's where the issue gets really interesting. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals [PETA] has called for an end to the research, while tennis star Martina Navratilova called the research "homophobic and cruel" and argued that gay sheep have a "right" to be homosexual. No kidding.

Homosexual activists were among the first to call for (and fund) research into a biological cause of homosexuality. After all, they argued, the discovery of a biological cause would lead to the normalization of homosexuality simply because it would then be seen to be natural, and thus moral.

But now the picture is quite different. Many homosexual activists recognize that the discovery of a biological marker or cause for homosexual orientation could lead to efforts to eliminate the trait, or change the orientation through genetic or hormonal treatments.

Tyler Gray addresses these issues in the current issue of Radar magazine. In "Is Your Baby Gay?," Gray sets out a fascinating scenario. A woman is told that her unborn baby boy is gay. This woman and her husband consider themselves to be liberal and tolerant of homosexuality. But this is not about homosexuality now; it is about their baby boy. The woman is then told that a hormone patch on her abdomen will "reverse the sexual orientation inscribed in his chromosomes." The Sunday Times [London] predicts that such a patch should be available for use on humans within the decade. Will she use it?

This question stands at the intersection of so many competing interests. Feminists and political liberals have argued for decades now that a woman should have an unrestricted right to an abortion, for any cause or for no stated cause at all. How can they now complain if women decide to abort fetuses identified as homosexual? This question involves both abortion and gay rights -- the perfect moral storm of our times.

Homosexual activists have claimed that sexual orientation cannot be changed. What if a hormone patch during pregnancy will do the job?

As Gray suggests:

In a culture that encourages us to customize everything from our Nikes to our venti skinny lattes, perhaps it is only a matter of time before baby-making becomes just another consumer transaction. Already have a girl? Make this one a boy! Want to impress your boho friends? Make a real statement with lesbian twins!

More to the point, Gray understands that such a development would reshape the abortion and gay-rights debates in America:

Conservatives opposed to both abortion and homosexuality will have to ask themselves whether the public shame of having a gay child outweighs the private sin of terminating a pregnancy (assuming the stigma on homosexuality survives the scientific refutation of the Right's treasured belief that it is a "lifestyle choice.") Pro-choice activists won't be spared either. Will liberal moms who love their hairdressers be as tolerant when faced with the prospect of raising a little stylist of their own? And exactly how pro-choice will liberal abortion-rights activists be when thousands of potential parents are choosing to filter homosexuality right out of the gene pool?

The development of Preimplantation Genetic Diagnosis [PDG] is one of the greatest threats to human dignity in our times. These tests are already leading to the abortion of fetuses identified as carrying unwanted genetic markers. The tests can now check for more than 1,300 different chromosomal abnormalities or patterns. With DNA analysis, the genetic factors could be identified right down to hair and eye color and other traits. The logic is all too simple. If you don't like what you see on the PDG report . . . just abort and start over. Soon, genetic treatments may allow for changing the profile. Welcome to the world of designer babies.

If that happens, how many parents -- even among those who consider themselves most liberal -- would choose a gay child? How many parents, armed with this diagnosis, would use the patch and change the orientation?

Christians who are committed to think in genuinely Christian terms should think carefully about these points:

1. There is, as of now, no incontrovertible or widely accepted proof that any biological basis for sexual orientation exists.

2. Nevertheless, the direction of the research points in this direction. Research into the sexual orientation of sheep and other animals, as well as human studies, points to some level of biological causation for sexual orientation in at least some individuals.

3. Given the consequences of the Fall and the effects of human sin, we should not be surprised that such a causation or link is found. After all, the human genetic structure, along with every other aspect of creation, shows the pernicious effects of the Fall and of God's judgment.

4. The biblical condemnation of all homosexual behaviors would not be compromised or mitigated in the least by such a discovery. The discovery of a biological factor would not change the Bible's moral verdict on homosexual behavior.

5. The discovery of a biological basis for homosexuality would be of great pastoral significance, allowing for a greater understanding of why certain persons struggle with these particular sexual temptations.

6. The biblical basis for establishing the dignity of all persons -- the fact that all humans are made in God's image -- reminds us that this means all persons, including those who may be marked by a predisposition toward homosexuality. For the sake of clarity, we must insist at all times that all persons -- whether identified as heterosexual, homosexual, lesbian, transsexual, transgendered, bisexual, or whatever -- are equally made in the image of God.

7. Thus, we will gladly contend for the right to life of all persons, born and unborn, whatever their sexual orientation. We must fight against the idea of aborting fetuses or human embryos identified as homosexual in orientation.

8. If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use as we should unapologetically support the use of any appropriate means to avoid sexual temptation and the inevitable effects of sin.

9. We must stop confusing the issues of moral responsibility and moral choice. We are all responsible for our sexual orientation, but that does not mean that we freely and consciously choose that orientation. We sin against homosexuals by insisting that sexual temptation and attraction are predominately chosen. We do not always (or even generally) choose our temptations. Nevertheless, we are absolutely responsible for what we do with sinful temptations, whatever our so-called sexual orientation.

10. Christians must be very careful not to claim that science can never prove a biological basis for sexual orientation. We can and must insist that no scientific finding can change the basic sinfulness of all homosexual behavior. The general trend of the research points to at least some biological factors behind sexual attraction, gender identity, and sexual orientation. This does not alter God's moral verdict on homosexual sin (or heterosexual sin, for that matter), but it does hold some promise that a deeper knowledge of homosexuality and its cause will allow for more effective ministries to those who struggle with this particular pattern of temptation. If such knowledge should ever be discovered, we should embrace it and use it for the greater good of humanity and for the greater glory of God.


Hee, finally, my fellow christian friends  :D Finally they'll find the cure for gay (and therefore for HIV, obviously) and soon they'll find the cure for black and for single women  :!:


Directed by: Guy Moshe
Written by: Guy Moshe
Produced by: Keith Calder (The Wackness, All the Boys Love Mandy Lane) Jessica Wu, Ram Bergman (Brothers Bloom, Brick), Nava Levin (Holly)

Josh Hartnett (Thirty Days of Night, Sin City)
Demi Moore (Mr. Brooks, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle)
Woody Harrelson (No Country for Old Men, Natural Born Killers)
Ron Perlman (Hellboy)
Gackt (Moon Child, New Fist of the North Star)
Shun Sugata (Kill Bill: Vol. 1, The Last Samurai)
Jordi Molla (Elizabeth: The Golden Age, Blow)
Introducing Emily Kaiho

The film is set in an original hyper-stylized universe, a la "Sin City," and draws from a mixed bag of genres, including puppets, origami, comic books, video games and German expressionism. It follows a drifter (Josh Hartnett) who teams up with a samurai (Japanese actor Gackt) to take on an Eastern European gang lord, played by Perlman.

Source pt 1
pt 2

So, I'm not a Gackt fan, how's his English? I expect nothing less than epicness from this movie, or epic lulz.

Other Bands / ...but they're legends!
« on: May 11, 2008, 12:06:30 PM »
What legendary band could you never get into?

I know people who don't care for the Beatles or for Queen, for example.

Me, I don't really care about the Stones. I've tried to get into them numerous times but they are...boring? I don't see the big deal about them, they seem "overhyped" to me.

Also, The Ramones. Music snobs always get their panties in a twist when I say that all their songs sound the same, but to me they do. I DO like punk bands, I love The Clash and The Stooges are one of my fave bands, but The Ramones? I understand they influenced many of my fave bands, but by structure alone their songs sound too similar.

General chat / If X-Japan were to cover...
« on: May 07, 2008, 06:37:29 PM »
...any song by any artist, what would you want it to be?

Their own songs are sure kick ass but so are their covers.

I'd love to hear something by the Beatles/John Lennon (not an original idea, I've just listened to "Let It Be" being played at the end of one of their concerts, nevertheless Yoshiki playing piano and Toshi singing along would do it for me).

Covers / guy doing the Art Of Life (twin) guitar cover
« on: April 19, 2008, 04:15:25 PM »



Offtopic / The "Educational" Thread
« on: April 16, 2008, 02:30:02 PM »
This is a thread for random (and maybe not so well known) information about any subject possible.


The Aye-aye (Daubentonia madagascariensis) is a strepsirrhine native to Madagascar that combines rodent-like teeth with a long, thin middle finger* to fill the same ecological niche as a woodpecker. It is the world's largest nocturnal primate, and is characterized by its unique method of finding food**; it taps on trees to find grubs, then gnaws holes in the wood and inserts its elongated middle finger to pull the grubs out. (extract from Wiki article)



Offtopic / This is disgusting
« on: April 09, 2008, 11:02:13 AM »
Teen Ambushed, Beaten Over MySpace Posting

Six Florida teen girls lured a former friend to a home and ambushed her, taking turns pounding on her face and body for 30 minutes until she was unconscious as someone videotaped the violence, according to the Polk County Sheriff's Office.

"Shocking, I've never seen anything like it," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said. "They seem to have absolutely no remorse at all. I don't understand the sheer violence."

Investigators said the victim apparently posted something against the six girls on MySpace before she was lured to the home by a phone call from one of the teens.

Police said the girl traveled to the house and walked into the trap.

One girl met her at the door and five others were hiding in a back room, detectives said.

The girls were then seen on video pummeling the girl in the face and body and slamming her head into a wall.

As the videotape rolled, a girl's voice is heard yelling "There is only 17 seconds left; make it good."

Police said the girls wanted to post the video on YouTube and MySpace.

"'There is only 17 seconds left; make it good,'" Judd said. "That is animalistic behavior and it is pack mentality. They lured her there to beat her and beat her. They left her with a concussion. We have photographs of her with two black eyes; her nose is swollen."

The girl was taken to a hospital by ambulance and treated for a concussion, damage to her left eye and left ear, and numerous bruises, the report said.

The girl can no longer see well out of one eye and hear from one ear.

Police said two boys stood lookout outside the house during the beating.

Some of the girls accused of being involved in the attack were on a cheerleading squad at a local high school in Lakeland, Florida.
Judd said he wants the teens tried as adults.

The six girls and two boys face battery and false imprisonment charges.

Here is another article with a video with a part of the act.


My mouth hung open during the video...there are no words.

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