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The band => News => Topic started by: Beauty/Broken on March 31, 2011, 11:01:50 AM
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From Sugizo's latest blog post:
Today was again filled with tight schedules.
I was intent upon sound production in my studio.
First, the pre-production of X JAPAN
for the new song of the next album.
The fact he's talking about pre-production means that it's a song we haven't heard before, given that we have heard samples from near completed demos for every other new song. Yoshiki also talked about another music video shoot in his recent interview with MTV, but I think this may be in relation to Scarlet Love Song.
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Thanks, nice to hear they are still working on new material.
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May it be the new Sugizo song that was mentioned... sometimes last year?
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He said the pre-production of X Japan, which to me could mean the pre-production of the bands activities, as in trying to start the band up again towards eventual live shows again, if you see what I mean, hard to word it.
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pre-production?!?! as nice as it sounds, it sounds scary at the same time. Hopefully the album will be out this year, but I have my doubts now.....
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He said the pre-production of X Japan, which to me could mean the pre-production of the bands activities, as in trying to start the band up again towards eventual live shows again, if you see what I mean, hard to word it.
As a producer myself I can assure you that pre-production is almost certainly either A) Recording a demo or B) Preparing to record a demo. Plus Sugizo said that it was for "a new song for the new album".
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Whenever yoshiki talked about a new song everybody thought it was jade when it as in fact born to be free and even after that when yoshiki talked about a new song everybody thought it was born to be free when it was in fact Scarlet Love song. Well... I think we should be optimistic.
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best news I had today
Thank you
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Whenever yoshiki talked about a new song everybody thought it was jade when it as in fact born to be free and even after that when yoshiki talked about a new song everybody thought it was born to be free when it was in fact Scarlet Love song. Well... I think we should be optimistic.
They already have demos for Born to be free, Scarlet Love Song and Without You, and there are completed versions of I.V. and Jade. What else would they be pre-producing? All of the above are either currently in production or have finished production. It's a new song we haven't heard of yet, for sure.
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What type of song are we hoping for?
I'd like to see another rock song! :P
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Now if this is one of the major reasons for the (eternal) delay of the album, I guess I have no choice but to grin and bear it! Now that we're aware that the delay is due to Yoshiki's desire for new content, it's making more sense.
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Awsome! What do you think. How many tracks will the new album have.
Vanishing Vision has 9, Blue Blood has 12, Jealousy 10 and Dahlia also 10.
I'm hoping for at least 12 songs.
Well, in the end it doesn't really matter how many songs, just that they'll be released :D
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Is this april fool's joke?
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Rosie, as soon as I read the thread title, I thought the same thing...
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Doubt it, cause the post was yesterday. ;)
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If they play this "New Song" at the benefit shows it would be epic.
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if all these delays are for new songs then fuck yeah! sounds like they scrapped the plans of just a best of. sounds like thisll be a 2 disc album of classics and new songs for sure. awesome!
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if all these delays are for new songs then fuck yeah! sounds like they scrapped the plans of just a best of. sounds like thisll be a 2 disc album of classics and new songs for sure. awesome!
I wouldn't go that far, before they said the only old songs were Kurenai, Rusty Nail, Endless Rain and Tears, and I'm not sure of there was another one, and they only have three new songs, so even with this new song Its pretty much just going to be a standard 10 track album rather than an 8 track one.
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well we have 5 potential songs now
IV, Jade, Born to be Free, Scarlet Love Song, and this new untitled one
If they plan on actually recording "Without You" as a studio track, I'd even count that as six
A 10 track album still seems kind of short, they can ass another track or two.
If the album winds up like this-
Kurenai
Rusty Nail
Endless Rain
X
Tears
IV
Jade
Born to be Free
Scarlet Love Song
New Song #1
New Song #2
id be happy. 6 new songs is a fair amount. and IF they are re recording and writing the new material in the past year, i can see the delays.
Jade sounds done to me. IV, Born to be Free, and the rest probably were being worked on this past year, while the old track's vocals should be done.
If this record isnt out by summer though and it doesn't end up being a full new studio album, thats just fucking retarded
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I agree, especially with Yoshiki saying they're only re-recording certain parts of the old songs, Toshi's vocals mainly I presume....
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found this interview from 1995, seems Yoshiki is always recording, recording, recording and no able to find an end...
http://www.xjapan.de/interviews/musicsquare_4.htm
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never change at all............
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well we have 5 potential songs now
IV, Jade, Born to be Free, Scarlet Love Song, and this new untitled one
If they plan on actually recording "Without You" as a studio track, I'd even count that as six
A 10 track album still seems kind of short, they can ass another track or two.
If the album winds up like this-
Kurenai
Rusty Nail
Endless Rain
X
Tears
IV
Jade
Born to be Free
Scarlet Love Song
New Song #1
New Song #2
id be happy. 6 new songs is a fair amount. and IF they are re recording and writing the new material in the past year, i can see the delays.
Jade sounds done to me. IV, Born to be Free, and the rest probably were being worked on this past year, while the old track's vocals should be done.
If this record isnt out by summer though and it doesn't end up being a full new studio album, thats just fucking retarded
u forget art of life?? i think scarlet love song wont be there, since it will be used for anime movie and in japanese. endless rain and tears will be enough as a ballad in new album, but putting without you english version will be a small chance, but i do hope they record without you english version
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either way I also hope this is a new song cause I have been waiting patiently, any new amount of songs would be good.
I'm glad the group is working hard when they have so much going just saw they will be in Summer sonic that made me sad since I wanted to go last yr and probably want to go this yr too.
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i love art of life but cant see it n the record. last 20 minute song to be a mainstream success here was 2112 and that was in the 70s lol
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere a while back that Y plans to put Art of Life on the record...
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i always hope they put AOL, because AOL is their best masterpiece
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I wont mind Art of life being split into two tracks, as long as both parts are on the album, like,
track 1 - Art of Life part I
track 13 - Art of Life part II
But, even so, I still think putting art of life on the first album is too early, like, People who've never heard them before hear Art of Life and become fans, and then realise, "oh, that was the best they'll ever produce and I've only just become a fan", where do you go from there?
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I wont mind Art of life being split into two tracks, as long as both parts are on the album, like,
track 1 - Art of Life part I
track 13 - Art of Life part II
But, even so, I still think putting art of life on the first album is too early, like, People who've never heard them before hear Art of Life and become fans, and then realise, "oh, that was the best they'll ever produce and I've only just become a fan", where do you go from there?
u are right, but it will be a dilemma if they didnt put AOL, because apart from rusty nail and kurenai, their new rock song, i.v , jade, and born to be free lack of really great guitar solo. and i m not sure if they will put silent jealousy on album
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I think they should take out one of the ballads and put Silent Jealousy or Dahlia in its place.
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jade's got a pretty good solo
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jade's got a pretty good solo
I adore it, it's chromatic, but I just dig the furious playing Sugizo brings to the table and also the harmonizer guitar pedal he's using for it. It's a total rock-out moment which I think suits the song down to the ground.
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I think silent jealousy will be on the new album; they played it in english at the Wiltern show.
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don't think....don't put your hope too high...just wait and see..
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I think silent jealousy will be on the new album; they played it in english at the Wiltern show.
And then reverted back to Japanese. I guess they tried it and didn't think it worked...
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You're forgetting that they played the english version a second time on the last show of the tour.
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What? I thought they played the English version in the Vancouver and/or Toronto shows. Well, maybe it's just wishful thinking but I'm hoping they only reverted to playing the Japanese version because Toshi found it difficult to memorize the new English lyrics.
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Nope, they played it on the final New York Roseland Ballroom show as well =).
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Haha, whoops. You're right. Just checked the youtube clips and indeed he's singing in Japanese in Toronto and English in New York. I guess my memory isn't what it used to be. :P
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Am I the only one who don't like the idea of rerecording old songs in english?
I was listening the english Kurenai from NA tour. It is TOTALLY weird. Same for Silent Jealousy, which is "partially" in english.
They became what they are with japanese songs. Look at Luna Sea, they did a World Tour without songs in english (and without cancellations, l0l) and was successful. Why X need this?
Check NA tour videos... Rusty Nail in english, nobody following because nobody know the lyrics, but everybody screams "Oh Rusty Nail", the only part they know. Bizarre.
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I'm perfectly fine with Silent Jealousy and Rusty Nail in english, they're great, but Kurenai just isn't working. Firstly because of the lyrics they chose Toshi can't sing that really high/wail note on "nanika ni owareru you" anymore. And the rest of the vocals sound really tame, seriously, every time Tohi sings the english version of Kurenai he sings it in a really tame way with no aggression, its not just the fact that he doesn't use any kind of rasp/raw vocal at all, even the last live version sounds aggressive compared to the new english version. Toshi just sings it in a far too safe calm/boring way, and the fact that he sings it the same every time suggests to me that that's basically what the new studio track sounds like.
This is one of X Japan's biggest metal songs, and one of the only ones anyone gets to here live anymore, put aggression back into it.
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Am I the only one who don't like the idea of rerecording old songs in english?
I was listening the english Kurenai from NA tour. It is TOTALLY weird. Same for Silent Jealousy, which is "partially" in english.
They became what they are with japanese songs. Look at Luna Sea, they did a World Tour without songs in english (and without cancellations, l0l) and was successful. Why X need this?
Check NA tour videos... Rusty Nail in english, nobody following because nobody know the lyrics, but everybody screams "Oh Rusty Nail", the only part they know. Bizarre.
It doesn't bother me too much. Hold on, I always get confused, didn't english Kurenai come 1st?, like in their old club gigs and in vanashing vision?. To be honest I think re-recording the songs in english will break some of the western ignorence which I've come across. "Bahhh, it's in japanese, they're called X Japan" now you can reply to your friend "Well, that's where you're wrong" Though, either way it doesn't bother me if the songs are in english or japanese.
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Well, technically the Vanishing Vision Kurenai is in "Engrish." :P I find the vocals flow better in VV (and Japanese) Kurenai. In the latest Kurenai it sounds he's singing the words at a faster beat? It's a bit awkward at first and takes some time to get used to but it doesn't bother me too much. Besides, I miss the beginning where Toshi's singing in English with hide's guitar playing in the back more than the lack of Japanese lyrics. The new intro's great and all but it just doesn't have the same melancholic and lonely feeling.
I think there's nothing word with re-recording old songs in English as long as the melody of the vocals is roughly the same. I mean, yeah, it's gonna be different than what we're used to so it's gonna sound "weird" but what's wrong with that? I think it's possible for re-recorded English songs to sound even more superior than their Japanese counter-part.
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They became what they are with japanese songs. Look at Luna Sea, they did a World Tour without songs in english (and without cancellations, l0l) and was successful. Why X need this?
they haven't really acieved mainstreqm success outside Asia, which is what Yoshiki wants.
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They became what they are with japanese songs. Look at Luna Sea, they did a World Tour without songs in english (and without cancellations, l0l) and was successful. Why X need this?
they haven't really acieved mainstreqm success outside Asia, which is what Yoshiki wants.
I think they should trust us fans, it´s not a question of understanding the lyrics if you like the music or not and today is very easy to get proper translation from/in any language, so no reason to let us wait much longer for new material, Yochan ::), and may be it will help seeing that the tour last year was successful and this one was nearly sold out in about a week
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Haha, we're still gonna be waiting whether they decide to record in Japanese, English or Russian. :P The NA and Europe tours are probably backed mostly by fans who knew them before lollapalooza and Yoshiki wants to reach audiences beyond this niche (aka. the mainstream population, like Hypno said).
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In russian - that would be cool, but please don´t tell Yoshiki, otherwise we have to wait for ages :P
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Well, I wouldn't mind listening to Toshi sing in Russian either. XD I can almost imagine it...
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I personally don't mind if they re-record songs in english but as long as it's not the main focus of the cd I'd be happy.
What I would love to see is a mix of both older re recorded songs and newer english and maybe a few Japanese tracks would be awesome.
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yoshiki stated in his twitter that he is writing a dark and heavy ballad, looks like there is a new song.
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He should stop writing and star releasing ;)
Seriously, I'm happy he's working on more new material.
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He should stop writing and star releasing ;)
Seriously, I'm happy he's working on more new material.
jepp, anyone here, who is near enough him to tell him so and will be answered? :P
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Hm, could be that the new song is for his solo project Violet UK and not for X Japan. Didn't he say something about the new album being almost finished?
Something along the line of 95% of the album is already finished I think. So still writing songs for that album seems a bit odd to me.
Well I hope they have a mix of english and japanese songs. :)
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well if he wants to stay true to the latest release date (summer if I remeber well) the recordings should have already been finished and post production at least somewhat advanced.
Anyway he should indeed start releasing material and specially Jade before he goes off radar again, and Scarlet should be almost ready by now because Buddha is released on the 28th May, my guess is we listen to it before Jade itself.
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Something along the line of 95% of the album is already finished I think. So still writing songs for that album seems a bit odd to me.
The album has been 95% finished for about two years now
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Something along the line of 95% of the album is already finished I think. So still writing songs for that album seems a bit odd to me.
The album has been 95% finished for about two years now
and it will stay in this status quo for the next few years :-\, then again, I never thought I will see them in a concert and now they do come to my home town... hmmm, always have a surprise in the store :D
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I do wonder about the new songs he is working on, my guess one might be a tribute to the disaster. I am still waiting for the original "single" release we were suppose to get but haven't yet. We'll we can look forward to all the concerts they are planning
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There's no production cohesion to anything X Japan are doing, from what the most recent released audio suggests (in the background to the European Tour video) Yoshiki hasn't even recorded drums for Born to be Free yet - yet they're already booking more tour dates.
To be honest, I think the more new material the better. The 50% old songs, 50% new songs idea was stupid, especially given that only the vocals of the old songs were being re-recorded. There's like no production cohesion there what-so-ever, imagine Dahlia, which was basically a 1993 - 1996 singles compilation, but instead spread over 20 years. Normally when you release an album the songs fit together, they've been recorded around the same time, mixed by the same engineers, the drums sound the same, the album has a distinct feel to it - just like Blue Blood and Jealousy, and now imagine an album with a song recorded in 2011 next to a song recorded in 1988 with 2011 vocals slapped over it - it's just going to look half assed and sound terrible.
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It's great that they are still working on new song and album even such chatastrophe was in Japan...I am really proud of them they are helping in many ways to their people *.* and still working and creating music :)
they are amazzzzzing <3
and Yoshiki writted on twitter that he is writing new song, balad, dark & deep ..he said that ^^
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There's no production cohesion to anything X Japan are doing, from what the most recent released audio suggests (in the background to the European Tour video) Yoshiki hasn't even recorded drums for Born to be Free yet - yet they're already booking more tour dates.
To be honest, I think the more new material the better. The 50% old songs, 50% new songs idea was stupid, especially given that only the vocals of the old songs were being re-recorded. There's like no production cohesion there what-so-ever, imagine Dahlia, which was basically a 1993 - 1996 singles compilation, but instead spread over 20 years. Normally when you release an album the songs fit together, they've been recorded around the same time, mixed by the same engineers, the drums sound the same, the album has a distinct feel to it - just like Blue Blood and Jealousy, and now imagine an album with a song recorded in 2011 next to a song recorded in 1988 with 2011 vocals slapped over it - it's just going to look half assed and sound terrible.
btw I don't agree with you!
if song is made perfectly it would feet in anytime! no matter how many years passed!
and new performance for old songs will be nice to back memory to those days and to give those songs new stylish too..
I would really want to hear SIlent Jealousy or Rose of Pain!
new songs are ok but old songs are just like some classic it must be there, and new years come fresh version of old songs, it's nicee and interesting too as those songs no matter how many time passed as I said already, they perfectly much in any version especially if it's done by Yoshiki who is master for music and it's perfection.
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There's no production cohesion to anything X Japan are doing, from what the most recent released audio suggests (in the background to the European Tour video) Yoshiki hasn't even recorded drums for Born to be Free yet - yet they're already booking more tour dates.
To be honest, I think the more new material the better. The 50% old songs, 50% new songs idea was stupid, especially given that only the vocals of the old songs were being re-recorded. There's like no production cohesion there what-so-ever, imagine Dahlia, which was basically a 1993 - 1996 singles compilation, but instead spread over 20 years. Normally when you release an album the songs fit together, they've been recorded around the same time, mixed by the same engineers, the drums sound the same, the album has a distinct feel to it - just like Blue Blood and Jealousy, and now imagine an album with a song recorded in 2011 next to a song recorded in 1988 with 2011 vocals slapped over it - it's just going to look half assed and sound terrible.
btw I don't agree with you!
if song is made perfectly it would feet in anytime! no matter how many years passed!
and new performance for old songs will be nice to back memory to those days and to give those songs new stylish too..
I would really want to hear SIlent Jealousy or Rose of Pain!
new songs are ok but old songs are just like some classic it must be there, and new years come fresh version of old songs, it's nicee and interesting too as those songs no matter how many time passed as I said already, they perfectly much in any version especially if it's done by Yoshiki who is master for music and it's perfection.
I think you missed my point, I'm saying that drums recorded 20 years ago for Endless Rain and drums recorded this year for Jade will sound very, very different. Music technology has moved on so much, and as such I think it would sound weird to release a "new" album with no production cohesion (I.E. the songs haven't been recorded using the same equipment, at the same time or in the same place).
I wasn't saying the old music lacks quality, anything but, I just think if they're going to put old songs on a new album they should be completely re-recorded, not just have English vocals slapped on - which is what Yoshiki is doing, and is really quite a lazy thing to do on the face of it.
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Considering that he seems to write more and more songs it would be really the best idea to scrap the whole 50/50 idea. IF they still would want to release the old songs they should make a Bonus CD.
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I'm not too worried about the utter shambles recording is sounding like, after all this is X Japan, has there ever been a time when fans haven't been stood, blinking at the latest news going "what on earth are they doing??"
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The only rerecorded song I'm worried about is Kurenai, Toshi's vocals on the new version (based on every live performance of it) are incredibly tame, no energy or raspy powerful vocal at all, and the lyrics which let Toshi sing high falsettos or screams are now changed so that he can't, and there seems to be five hundred different openings attatched on the song now.
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The only rerecorded song I'm worried about is Kurenai, Toshi's vocals on the new version (based on every live performance of it) are incredibly tame, no energy or raspy powerful vocal at all, and the lyrics which let Toshi sing high falsettos or screams are now changed so that he can't, and there seems to be five hundred different openings attatched on the song now.
The lyrics are weird. And is is "less-worse" doing a complete english song than a half-english-half-japanese song, like he is doing with Kurenai and Silent Jealousy.
X JAPAN should be X JAPAN. But princess Yoshiki needs to feel american, get american fans to his american dream. But, hey... Let's play concerts (play, without 'back') and release something. It's enough.
I hope princess Yoshiki can hear Sugizo a little. Luna Sea really showed how to reunite a legendary band. I'm still surprised with what they have done in six months.
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Yeah Luna Sea started their tour soon after they announced it, and were immediatly playing their old songs from their first albums which they hadn't played in YEARS, because they actually appreciate their old songs and understand that their old fans and new fans since the breakup in 2000 havn't just been listening to their last album the past 11 years, and they brought back the old glam costumes/hair because they don't fuss over being embarressed like Yoshiki does. (though them wearing the same costumes as early 90's isn't important)
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Yeah Luna Sea started their tour soon after they announced it, and were immediatly playing their old songs from their first albums which they hadn't played in YEARS, because they actually appreciate their old songs and understand that their old fans and new fans since the breakup in 2000 havn't just been listening to their last album the past 11 years, and they brought back the old glam costumes/hair because they don't fuss over being embarressed like Yoshiki does. (though them wearing the same costumes as early 90's isn't important)
As much as I liked their concert, we shouldn't overrate their tour. Most of the old songs and the outfits were just used at one concert, in all the other gigs they were dressed pretty normal. And their show in Bochum was far (very far) from being sold out.
So yeah, the comeback of Luna Sea was pretty cool and the release of the rerecorded debutalbum and the DVDs was nice, but there was also a lot which could have been done better (especially promotion-wise).
To draw a line from Luna Sea to new X Japan songs ... I hope we'll soon hear something new, maybe during the upcoming tour.
EDIT: And don't get me wrong, there's a lot that could have been better since the X reunion, but not everything was bad and the future with the tour starting next months looks good, too.
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i thought the NA X Japan tour was great. AWESOME setlist and they sounded excellent.
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as times change so must bands, which has been proven over the last decade with music.....if you think about it in the 90's we were all about rock and alternative and rock and the occasional boyband which dominated the time, but now its completely different with what is mainstream on the radio.
X japan realizes they have millions of fans, and want to reach in a new market so they have to change up a bit and whether we like it or not they wil listen and respond since they are about the fans and people.
I am looking forward to the world tour and the upcoming CD release and hope it goes well