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Title: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on December 24, 2009, 07:07:27 AM
X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th @ Xplosion-online.com (http://www.xplosion-online.com/index.php/en/news/x-japan-news/95-x-japan-in-hollywood-on-january-9th)
X Japan filming 4 new PVs in Hollywood @ Xplosion-online.com (http://www.xplosion-online.com/index.php/en/news/x-japan-news/97-x-japan-in-hollywood-four-new-pvs)

As you know, X-Japan will be filming 4 new PVs in Los Angeles, CA on January 9th, 2010. X-Freaks forum will try to bring you as many updates and news as fast as possible, during the shooting. The road is closed from 10pm until 7am the next day, but fans will surely start gathering earlier. To check, what time it is in Los Angeles now, click here (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fullscreen.html?n=137).

Updates will be posted below (newer ones first):
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A pic of the band on the stage by Twink6 (http://twitter.com/Twink6)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/twink6_1.jpg)

And a picture of the fans by Stu Levy (http://twitter.com/stulevy):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/stulevy1.jpg)

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The chief operating officer of MySpace, Michael Jones (http://twitter.com/mjones) is currently backstage the PV shooting. He also posted a picture:

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/mjones1.jpg)

Some more pics, two by LinerNotes (http://twitter.com/linernotes):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes5.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes6.jpg)

... one by Kismetn (http://twitter.com/kismetn):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/kismetn1.jpg)

... another by MySpace's chief operating officer Michael Jones (http://twitter.com/mjones):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/mjones2.jpg)

... and one by Peoso (http://twitter.com/peoso):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/peoso1.jpg)

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Apparently, according to a tweet by Max_zumwalt (http://twitter.com/Max_zumwalt), X Japan just covered Loudness. This has not yet been confirmed though.

A ~2 min recording of the PV shooting, you can hear Jade playing: Qik video (http://qik.com/video/4353960) / YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVf-O-fZdeY)

Some pics from the scene by LinerNotes (http://twitter.com/linernotes) (first 1000 people got X Japan glowsticks):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes1.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes2.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes3.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes4.jpg)


And one from inVERTIGO (http://twitter.com/invertigo):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/invertigo1.jpg)

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A shot of the pyrotechnics by Davi (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi10.jpg)

A picture by CalebSherm (http://twitter.com/CalebSherm):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/CalebSherm1.jpg)

And a picture by ANN_Bamboo (http://twitter.com/ANN_Bamboo):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/ann_bamboo1.jpg)

And another by Agouty (http://twitter.com/Agouty)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/agouty1.jpg)

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X Japan preforming Jade (by Davi (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado)):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi9.jpg)

And two picture from a fans perspective, by Frandango (http://twitter.com/Frandango):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/frandango1.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/frandango2.jpg)

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Another picture from Davi (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi8.jpg)

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A 10 second video clip from the scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fp39iMzP0

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A few pics from the scene:

By sasukekun22 (http://twitter.com/sasukekun22):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/sasukekun22_1.jpg)

By KariniMiki (http://twitter.com/KariniMiki):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/karinimiki1.jpg)

By Badymaru (http://twitter.com/Badymaru):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/badymaru1.jpg)

By Davi Alvarado (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi7.jpg)


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A picture of an 'invitation' to the live shooting (from Davi Alvarado's Twitter (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado)):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi6.jpg)

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The music videos are for Rusty Nail, Endless Rain, I.V. and Jade!

Exclusive Behind-the-Scenes Peek of X Japan's Video Shoot for "Jade" (http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/synthful/exclusive-behind-the-scenes-x/) by Liz Ohanesian at LA Weekly! Click here (http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/view/29100770/1) for 29 more pictures!

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly1.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly2.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly3.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly4.jpg)

Pictures by Shannon Cottrell

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According to KarmaTweet (http://twitter.com/KarmaTweet), the filming today starts at 3pm. The fans have been previously asked to start checking in at 4pm and the road itself is closed from 10pm, so at 3pm, the filming probably starts at an indoor studio.

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Apparently the director of the PVs is Dean Karr, who has done music videos for artists like Marilyn Manson, Slayer and Megadeth. He also did Zilch's "Electric Cucumber". You can see his videography here (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0440061/)!

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The PV shooting has apparently been going for several days already.

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A picture of the PV shooting at an inside studio, provided by Karma Kollektive video production (Twitter (http://twitter.com/KarmaTweet), Home Page (http://www.karmakollective.tv/)):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/karma1.jpg)

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Some pictures from the PV shooting, provided by Davi Alvarado of Models International LA (apparently a member of the PV cast - Twitter (http://twitter.com/davialvarado) . Personal Site (http://www.shanealvarado.com/)):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi1.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi2.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi3.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi4.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi5.jpg)

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Some pictures from the set (when it was being built on January 8th), posted on JRockRevolution (http://www.jrockrevolution.com/news/jrock-news/1472-x-japan-in-hollywood-ca.html) and taken/provided by Chase Wang (http://twitter.com/chasewang) of BAM! Marketing:
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw1.JPG)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw2.JPG)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw3.JPG)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw4.JPG)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw5.JPG)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw6.JPG)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw7.JPG)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/cw8.JPG)


Note: the pictures are hosted on our server to save bandwidth and traffic for the persons individual sites. You can, however, find links to those with the pictures.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 24, 2009, 07:27:47 AM
Hahahah I saw it on XRD
At first I thought, "HOLY SHIT CONCERT" and then I started to think logically. XD
They sure announced it on time.... >>
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on December 24, 2009, 08:00:27 AM
Well the "early announcement" doesn't bother me too much, I can think of several reasons for it:

Assuming it's a PV:

a) ... they really don't need the fans there, unless they are included in the PV somehow, and I think they'd probably just hire a mass crowd if it's so (try to control a mob of fangirls to act in a PV as the filming crew wants? HA!);

b) ... getting permission to film there (as you saw, they closed a part of Hollywood Boulevard!) would take a while, also arranging the filming crew and everything related to that;

c) ... just a random thought, but maybe they wanted a favorable weather forecast, which is impossible a few months in advance (and is still tricky to get).

So yeah....
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on December 24, 2009, 08:00:33 AM
So it has something to do with filming? Whatever it is, I am looking forward to it.....if it happens.....which, given the track record.... Toshi's current voice problems......Yoshiki's neck and hands......yup.....looking forward.....:D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 24, 2009, 08:02:00 AM
So it has something to do with filming? Whatever it is, I am looking forward to it.....if it happens.....which, given the track record.... Toshi's current voice problems......Yoshiki's neck and hands......yup.....looking forward.....:D
true that, this might get interesting. o_o


@Hypno, yeah, you have a point 8D (three actually...)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on December 24, 2009, 08:28:06 AM
Finally some awesome news, at first I thought there was gonna be a live in CA. Greyhound tickets popped into my head at first lol, but I guess if they're just filming a pv I will stay put.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on December 24, 2009, 08:31:37 AM
Lebenden, as far as we know, it might be a concert shooting also, there are no details available really...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on December 24, 2009, 08:34:12 AM
I'm placing my bets on it being a PV shooting....^^
But hey, whatever it is...I'm gonna be happy about it....XD
(That is...tillI start reading the comments of those who won't be happy about it and get pissed off...XDDDD)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on December 24, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
Well I guess I'll have to wait for more details then :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on December 24, 2009, 10:07:46 AM
So...that hibernating was to prepare something...
I like hibernatings from now on!!!!
Very curious and excited...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on December 24, 2009, 10:24:02 AM
hmm, this is very good news and interesting indeed.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: edyork on December 24, 2009, 10:30:46 AM
wow wow, this is indeed good news after No news for so long!
hope it turns out to be some PV thingy <:
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on December 24, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Jade PV?

OR

Without You PV? XD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 24, 2009, 11:29:04 AM
Jade PV?

OR

Without You PV? XD
OH GOD XD I'm sick of Without You. Please, Yoshiki... X_x

A PV for JADE sounds nice. Then we'll finally hear the "real" studio version. Might get interesting.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Yu~Kun on December 24, 2009, 11:40:31 AM
I think it would be a bit random to see a PV of Without You now....plus with a Jade PV is a good opportunity to listen to the whole studio version of the song! :3
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rose_in_cage on December 24, 2009, 12:09:01 PM
there are more info here:http://navigatehollywood.com/node/534
All lanes of Hollywood Blvd., between Highland Ave. and Orange Dr., will be closed from January 9, 2010 10:00 p.m. to January 10, 2010 7:00 a.m.
I guess maybe they need a lot of crazy fans to be included in the new PV.
Are there anyone here will go to this activity?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on December 24, 2009, 02:01:41 PM
Ha, the mayority of this forum is in Europe... hard to go there for us *laughs*

I hope they get enough people for the PV then, if they are supposed to be included...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on December 24, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Hmmm, this is interesting...
Have they ever shooted a PV outside of Japan before?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on December 24, 2009, 04:07:08 PM
rose of pain :P

and if i'm not wrong the studio takes from silent jealousy, joker and some other videos were recorded in an LA studio (later released as film gigs)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on December 24, 2009, 08:43:03 PM
X Japan to shoot 4 new music videos

http://jrocknation.com/

;)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on December 24, 2009, 08:44:21 PM
^ ahahaha, I just posted that when you did.

This is fantastic news!!

(http://i50.tinypic.com/e03hc3.png)

http://jrocknation.com/

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 24, 2009, 09:09:33 PM
YEAH
I JUST READ IT





WOW
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on December 24, 2009, 09:16:26 PM
Sigh, being in Europe sucks.... ::)
Oh well..FOUR videos though?
Jade and Without You are still only 2 songs....right? Or am I THAT bad at counting?..XD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 24, 2009, 09:31:17 PM
Sigh, being in Europe sucks.... ::)
Oh well..FOUR videos though?
Jade and Without You are still only 2 songs....right? Or am I THAT bad at counting?..XD

LOL I was just wondering about that
Maybe they have 2 new songs? Hmmmm
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on December 24, 2009, 09:49:49 PM
Sigh, being in Europe sucks.... ::)
Oh well..FOUR videos though?
Jade and Without You are still only 2 songs....right? Or am I THAT bad at counting?..XD

LOL I was just wondering about that
Maybe they have 2 new songs? Hmmmm
hahaha, they must be new songs then, but I hope they aren't ballads.Well, of course I wouldn't mind if they were but I just hope they're heavy.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on December 24, 2009, 11:33:50 PM
if "heavy" means like i.v. and jade, maybe some ballad would be nice to get something different again. xP ...but well, I don't care, as long as it's good. ha! :P

Well, let's see what they are up to... o_O
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: kazooms on December 25, 2009, 02:23:24 AM
Sounds like it could be Without You, Jade and like ppl have said 2 new songs
unheard songs. YOSHIKI did say he was working on a new song, and at one stage
that there could be up to 5 new songs on their best of album (we've heard 3 so far).

I wonder if they are trying to do like what some other artists are
doing in japan (namely Amuro Namie's Best of), which is include
PVs for every song on the album. Though I doubt it would be as
affordable as Amuro Namie's 4000yen-ish CD+DVD set.

Still this news is awesome and made my xmas;)
(hoping for a blu ray edition of those pvs)

btw.. was wondering what you guys think of contacting
rollingstone to see if they will cover this! This is a pretty huge opportunity
for X to get some attention..

Anyways, was thinking of emailing them once all the details are announced.
editors@rollingstone.com

If more and more ppl email them about this, maybe
they'll cover it!

D

p.s. h.naoto wrote some stuff on his blog
about working on a big project for x japan (one was yoshikitty i think)..
so maybe there will be some fashion show type aspect in some of
the pvs.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on December 25, 2009, 04:27:02 AM
So.......Yoshiki is trying to blend in a little Violet UK in to X-Japan? Did it say that this Hollywood thing is just for X-Japan, or is he putting in his other projects? So many possibilities!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: kazooms on December 25, 2009, 06:33:20 AM
I'm not sure what h.naoto's blog was exactly referring to, since he's now worked on
VUK fashion show and yoshikitty too. If he is involved in the PV's in some way, it could just be designing some clothes for the members, not sure;(

YOSHIKI's fashion & music thing isn't only restricted to VUK
as X's VISUAL SHOCK always incorporated pretty out there fashion,
photography, and make up.

The news so far only mentions X JAPAN and kinda looks
like its being marketed as an X JAPAN only event.

But I personally wouldn't mind if 1 of the 4 videos was
for ROSA or VUK-R ;) But I'm a VUK addict so..

Mandi (bassist) is touring with her new punk band right now
so dunno if the VUK members are even in CA that day.

D

ps. jrocknation small print confirms its pre-recorded sound and not a live performance.
guess we'll be getting 4 studio clips on youtube come the 11th or 12th. great start to
2010!

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 25, 2009, 08:04:04 AM
so maybe there will be some fashion show type aspect in some of
the pvs.

D8
why?

Not gonna lie, I like alternative fashion, and h.Naoto is very talented, but I rather hear a good song than a bad song with a fasion show in it.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on December 25, 2009, 08:28:20 AM
omg, need to prepare some $$$$ for those things
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on December 25, 2009, 09:01:42 AM
Haha MIHO, well just remember what X used to dress like. That stuff was also made buy some design company and planned by many designers and artists of all kind (for example that stuff with screaming mad george...) All, so maybe, if he has something to do with it at all, it's really just designing the clothes of the members, as kazooms said. (...He already did at least Yoshiki's outfit in I.V., too, no? o_o)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 25, 2009, 09:48:19 AM
All, so maybe, if he has something to do with it at all, it's really just designing the clothes of the members, as kazooms said. (...He already did at least Yoshiki's outfit in I.V., too, no? o_o)
Well, that will probable be the case XD At least I hope so.
* imagines Project Runway with X * ....
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Yu~Kun on December 25, 2009, 09:54:43 AM

* imagines Project Runway with X * ....


*DIES*

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: julien on December 25, 2009, 12:09:23 PM
Can't wait till January 9th >.<
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on December 25, 2009, 12:29:09 PM
very keen to to see sugizo in these 4 videos,is who knows a new cd in 2010
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on December 25, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
btw.. was wondering what you guys think of contacting
rollingstone to see if they will cover this! This is a pretty huge opportunity
for X to get some attention..

Anyways, was thinking of emailing them once all the details are announced.
editors@rollingstone.com

If more and more ppl email them about this, maybe
they'll cover it!
I doubt spamming by X fans will make them cover it :P Maybe if people do mail proper and well-written letters... Of course on mail from BAM! might just do it and I think that would be more valuable than 1000 mails from X fangirls :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on December 25, 2009, 09:23:54 PM
btw.. was wondering what you guys think of contacting
rollingstone to see if they will cover this! This is a pretty huge opportunity
for X to get some attention..

Anyways, was thinking of emailing them once all the details are announced.
editors@rollingstone.com

If more and more ppl email them about this, maybe
they'll cover it!
I doubt spamming by X fans will make them cover it :P Maybe if people do mail proper and well-written letters... Of course on mail from BAM! might just do it and I think that would be more valuable than 1000 mails from X fangirls :D

Oh yeah, because a couple nice neat hand-written letters will prove to them the importance of covering an event over fangushy 1000 emails asking them to do it.

I think the logic you have tried to employ is ever so slightly flawed there. They will cover something for sure if they know that there is a market for it, asking them nicely doesn't really make a difference.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on December 26, 2009, 05:56:03 AM
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=1004384967&albumId=290461&page=1

h.Naoto seems perfect for Yoshiki. His style gothic lolita and punk rock. Now we know what the fashion show was like.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 26, 2009, 06:48:54 PM
very keen to to see sugizo in these 4 videos,is who knows a new cd in 2010
Oh yes I completely forgot about that, lol! That will be nice!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Yurga~ on December 27, 2009, 11:48:03 AM
I am so late, just now found that there will be something new with X~
So looking forward to it~~~
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on December 28, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
Not looking forward to waiting for another generic sounding rock song with no soul. For you guys who want that to be X's new direction, enjoy the 9th of January. I'll be listening to Blue Blood.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on December 28, 2009, 12:41:20 PM
Not looking forward to waiting for another generic sounding rock song with no soul. For you guys who want that to be X's new direction, enjoy the 9th of January. I'll be listening to Blue Blood.
Amen to that, BAHAHA XD
(but for me it would be Vanishing Vision :P)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on December 28, 2009, 01:34:06 PM
im looking for what X new direction, haha. love something different from X. hope another ballad as well
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on December 29, 2009, 02:11:44 PM
Nice little Christmas present this then!! All sounds very intriguing! Hopefully it is a sign that 2010 is going to be a good year!

Has it been confirmed if it is 4 new music videos - where it is really 4 new songs? I presume Jade would be one of them, then maybe Without you and maybe two other songs? Then again it might even be Jade, Jade (Acoustic), Jade (karaoke), Jade (techno)!!

Or maybe they are doing music videos for older songs for the World tour? That would be pretty cool, and it would certainly boost their profile worldwide. Maybe English versions of songs or even reworked songs, maybe Sugizo's violin is getting some action!!

I dont know, could sit here and speculate all day long but we will not know for another week or so...

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ppingg on December 29, 2009, 03:33:01 PM
maybe a Japanese version of I.V.?  ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ben on December 30, 2009, 02:17:09 AM
This is good news for the fans, finally getting something new

I just don't like the idea of the unnecessary attention it may get, being filmed in the middle of Hollywood and potentially bringing out that type of poser crowd; I always appreciated that X Japan was the kind of band that people would have to go out of their way to discover if they were really musically minded, and not just because of their physical look or with them being cool as Japanese or whatever
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Hyunkel on December 30, 2009, 11:23:42 AM
I just don't like the idea of the unnecessary attention it may get, being filmed in the middle of Hollywood and potentially bringing out that type of poser crowd; I always appreciated that X Japan was the kind of band that people would have to go out of their way to discover if they were really musically minded, and not just because of their physical look or with them being cool as Japanese or whatever

Feel the same here
But it could be helpful for them to be known worldwide
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 02, 2010, 08:07:51 PM
LOL.On the release form it says:
                                                                                                                                     LIMITED LIABILITY: Furthermore, I understand that during my participation, I may be
exposed to a variety of unforseseen hazards and risks, that may include, but are not limited to,
personal injury, property damage and death.

I think this is hilarious.
So, if you go, you might die, so if anyone's going, watch out. X cannot be blamed for your death  :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Roy on January 02, 2010, 11:04:25 PM
LOL.On the release form it says:
                                                                                                                                     LIMITED LIABILITY: Furthermore, I understand that during my participation, I may be
exposed to a variety of unforseseen hazards and risks, that may include, but are not limited to,
personal injury, property damage and death.

I think this is hilarious.
So, if you go, you might die, so if anyone's going, watch out. X cannot be blamed for your death  :D
XDD! Yeah!
I first couldn't stop laughing at that first. I wonder what kind of plans they have... some dangerous "Xtreme".
But after all, that sounds so American. So no one could blame them or take to the court etc..

I think that this is interesting, we'll get (atleast) some signs that X is still alive.
Though, I got used to the fact that X didn't exist anymore, so I kinda haven't realised the comeback yet.
I just hope that this will be something GOOD!
I'll be okay with it, as long as they won't completely ruin the image of X, they have created in the past.
The old X is the one that I love and respect the most.

We'll see..
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on January 03, 2010, 03:19:56 AM
Hmmmm, what the hell is Yoshiki trying to do?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 03, 2010, 03:42:18 AM
me personally. i think they just need to do what they think is best. it really is about them 1st not the fans. all i hear is i this and i that, toshi this and toshi that,  don't do this and don't do that. the past is the past get over it. they have you dont see them still pouting do you no you dont do you. X will always do whats best for X wither you agree or not. i love I.V. I love Jade I think they need to keep using hide as they are. So go listen to your old X albums As great as they are. But me and my daughter will be blasting there new songs so loud you'll probably hear it in Europe.

My Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

WE ARE X
AND
WE ARE X-JAPAN

TWO DIFFERENT BANDS
BOTH FREAKING AWESOME
ILL NEVER GET BORED OF

couldnt agree more, love both jade & i.v and also love both X and X-Japan.

for inconsistent toshi voice, i also feel annoying about that. toshi should sounds better for such big concert in tresokyo dome, people pay to see their live show, toshi should perform like what he did in hongkong show. as for hide, i think they respect hide. even he's gone , by putting him on screen, they feel like playing music together with hide.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Joker on January 03, 2010, 07:09:36 PM
And if you think a little... I.V. and Jade are songs in english. He is making songs only in english, to the US market, and fuck the old japaneses that supported them for 20 years.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 03, 2010, 08:00:29 PM
YES, I like X Japan!!!
Wondering what they will do 9 th of January.
Very impatiently curious.
Someone from the forum will be there?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 03, 2010, 08:01:35 PM
This is getting a bit offtopic.

Please keep the discussion ONLY to the 4 new PVs and stuff directly related to that. For other discussions, please start a new thread or use other means. Thank you!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: BloodofBathory on January 03, 2010, 09:47:01 PM
This may have been answered already but I'm lazy to look at older posts.  Is anyone going to LA to watch?  I would LOVE to however I'm so in debt now I can't go anywhere. 
I hope there's a live streaming of it, or at least something we can watch while they're down there. Personally I'm really looking forward to whatever they're going to do...can't wait!
curse the gods that created this recession! LOL
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Yu~Kun on January 04, 2010, 12:35:27 AM
loool, this is loool


ANYWAY PEOPLE, I WONDER WHAT THE OTHE 2 VIDEOS WILL BE.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Crock.Extinction on January 04, 2010, 01:23:55 AM
Not looking forward to waiting for another generic sounding rock song with no soul. For you guys who want that to be X's new direction, enjoy the 9th of January. I'll be listening to Blue Blood.
Amen to that, BAHAHA XD
(but for me it would be Vanishing Vision :P)

Hell yeah ...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MIHO on January 04, 2010, 10:37:00 AM
LOL.On the release form it says:
                                                                                                                                     LIMITED LIABILITY: Furthermore, I understand that during my participation, I may be
exposed to a variety of unforseseen hazards and risks, that may include, but are not limited to,
personal injury, property damage and death.

I think this is hilarious.
So, if you go, you might die, so if anyone's going, watch out. X cannot be blamed for your death  :D

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Don't die! XDD  You can't sue X!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Yu~Kun on January 04, 2010, 11:59:56 AM


@Yu~kun: yeah I'm wondering that too. And maybe we'll even get three new songs. After all, no one knows whether Without You or JADE are the songs that are getting PV's...
I have also thought, that maybe they'll be shooting more than one vid for just one song. I hope not, but you never know.


LOL, I hope the other two videos won't be cm for the 2 PVs xDDDDD


Well, in any case, the best scenario is to hear new songs!!
But i'm ok with finally hearing the whole studio version of Jade =D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: friday on January 05, 2010, 03:38:33 AM
And if you think a little... I.V. and Jade are songs in english. He is making songs only in english, to the US market, and fuck the old japaneses that supported them for 20 years.
]

Without You? :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Joker on January 05, 2010, 11:23:15 AM
And if you think a little... I.V. and Jade are songs in english. He is making songs only in english, to the US market, and fuck the old japaneses that supported them for 20 years.
]

Without You? :P

He wrote Without You in 1998. After the reunion, we have only Jade and IV.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 05, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
And what, 8 performances in Tokyo (three times when they reunited, two last may, hide mem. summit, countdown gig, I.V. PV shooting)? Plus two in Hong Kong and one in Taiwan, if I'm not mistaken. And the US & Europe has like half a dozen postponed concerts (people did pay for plane tickets and accommodation and lost their money). I'm not complaining, but if someone would be, it shouldn't be the Japanese fans.

Plus, X has lots of songs in English anyway, it hasn't bothered the Japanese before (at least not on a wide scale, as far as I know).
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on January 05, 2010, 08:16:47 PM
X had songs entirely in english even in their indies years when more than likely only the Japanese knew them...
Besides, many many Japanese bands have english lyrics in t heir songs or songs written entirely english....I don't think the Japanese fans are that bothered by it anyway...right?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ben on January 05, 2010, 10:13:23 PM
I understand where some people are coming from in this thread before, thanks for sharing your thoughts

Anyway, lets wait for whatever's going to happen in Hollywood, and hopefully something new we can enjoy and talk about
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 06, 2010, 09:46:51 PM
Apparently, if you have Yoshiki mobile then you have a chance of meeting the X after filming, only 2 people can meet them though. Lucky people.

Edit:
Source: e-mail sent by Jrock Nation

 Thank you for joining us in the filming of four major X JAPAN music videos this coming January 9, 2010!

The event will be held at Hollywood & Highland (Hollywood, CA). A spectacular set filled with lasers and pyro-technics is being built and will blow your mind away.

Remember to dress to impress in your best "X-JAPAN styles" and we will see you on January 9, 2010!



I wish I could go, I want my mind to be blown away XD   
"X-Japan styles" lol ok. I wonder what that they will look like.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 07, 2010, 12:49:36 AM
I do wonder if they thought the whole crowd thing through properly, they might have been better to issue actual tickets etc rather than just tell all their fans to join them and sign up to email for details!

They might be expecting thousands of people to turn up but many people signed up to the website for extra information and are not actually attending the event. Hopefully this will have been taken into consideration! It would be a bit embarrassing for them if only a few people actually went!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on January 07, 2010, 03:45:28 AM
the day is coming
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 07, 2010, 12:17:41 PM
They might be expecting thousands of people to turn up but many people signed up to the website for extra information and are not actually attending the event. Hopefully this will have been taken into consideration! It would be a bit embarrassing for them if only a few people actually went!
I'm pretty sure they are taking that into account. How well they do it is another question.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: dethbylasercanon on January 07, 2010, 10:16:09 PM
How can Yoshiki not like metal? He's been playing it for years...He wrote pretty much every song, if he didn't like metal he could of 'un-metalized' them.

Anyway I'm going.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MillieQOF on January 08, 2010, 11:11:23 AM
I wish I could go!
Although, 4 PVs in the same setting? Boring X_x
I'd love to see something á la Celebration/Week End/Xclamation again XD Music videos with a little more substance to them than just the band members headbanging on a rooftop with flashing lights all over.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 08, 2010, 01:10:50 PM
wew, such a big construction
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: y0shisgrl on January 08, 2010, 07:15:07 PM
i really really want to go, but i'd have to travel to the other side of the country... (my mom wont drive that far...)
if i had money, i'd buy a plane ticket... i hate being poor.
anyways, thats a nice set, i hope they do good on the vids!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: dethbylasercanon on January 08, 2010, 10:12:03 PM
Anyway I'm going.

I hope you have fun!
I don't mind not going myself, but I do want to hear how it went.
So I hope you've joined this forum to stay (welcome btw) and are willing to tell what happened... :)
Are you taking photo's?

Thanks, I think I'll stay awhile...

I don't know if photography will be allowed, but I'm bringing my camera and if I can get pics I'll be sure to share them
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 08, 2010, 11:36:39 PM
JRockRevolution (http://www.jrockrevolution.com/news/jrock-news/1472-x-japan-in-hollywood-ca.html) posted some pictures of the set today!



PS: I split off the rant about X Japan's new direction in style & music, so people can either ignore it (don't read the other topic) or talk about it there (so this one wouldn't go so off topic). All posts here, that are off topic will be deleted!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on January 09, 2010, 12:02:10 AM
Holy crap! Now I'm super excited! I can imagine Toshi walking down those steps and singing.....
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 09, 2010, 03:20:44 AM
how many hours to go? what time in hollywaood now?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: dethbylasercanon on January 09, 2010, 04:07:21 AM
how many hours to go? what time in hollywaood now?

It's 8:04 pm friday night, still the 8th

Don't worry guys, I'll keep ya posted : )
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ba-DiL on January 09, 2010, 07:23:43 AM
Goddamn, It's already January 9th, 02.30 PM here in Indonesia ... ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 09, 2010, 08:03:23 AM
how many hours to go? what time in hollywaood now?

Yay! Have fun there. :)

And I'm looking forward to your updates :)
It's 8:04 pm friday night, still the 8th

Don't worry guys, I'll keep ya posted : )
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: daisy on January 09, 2010, 08:51:41 AM
http://twitter.com/KarmaTweet/statuses/7545962340
http://twitpic.com/xazti
A pic of the indoor shooting!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 09, 2010, 08:59:00 AM
^ shit looks epic  ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 09, 2010, 09:38:25 AM
Yeah that looks really awesome!

here's something else with the members on it... (and very blurry xD)
http://mypict.me/show.php?id=2K596
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 09:48:40 AM
My God!
It looks like toshi had a dress????
Do I see good?
:-))
I want these clothes that there are wearing.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
Correction --> It looks like Toshi has a dress  ;D ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Hyunkel on January 09, 2010, 09:54:07 AM
The indoor set and the clothes/dresses reminds me of Versailles
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 09, 2010, 10:05:10 AM
especially heath looks very versaille-ish....
THe location looks like the one of Yoshiki's photo shoot with h.naoto... As far as I know at least yoshiki's outfit for those PVs are made by h.naoto aswell. hm.

and I just found another backstage pic of the other people appearing in the PV.
http://mypict.me/show.php?id=2Kawb
(from here http://twitter.com/davialvarado)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: xjokerx on January 09, 2010, 10:12:37 AM
Heath looked like a pirate :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on January 09, 2010, 10:36:27 AM
Aaah damn....why do I have to go to work?...
Now I'll have to wait 7-8 hours more to check for any updates on  this....
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ba-DiL on January 09, 2010, 10:43:53 AM
especially heath looks very versaille-ish....
THe location looks like the one of Yoshiki's photo shoot with h.naoto... As far as I know at least yoshiki's outfit for those PVs are made by h.naoto aswell. hm.

and I just found another backstage pic of the other people appearing in the PV.
http://mypict.me/show.php?id=2Kawb
(from here http://twitter.com/davialvarado)


Is it just me or anyone got a problem opening this links too?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 10:47:49 AM
Yes, me too.
error: Too many connections it says  ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 09, 2010, 11:05:57 AM
Hahaha xD guess the x fans have been spreading the links too much :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 09, 2010, 11:24:31 AM
The pics of the hall they're in & the costumes, its feels a bit like the Celebration PV.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Artseeker on January 09, 2010, 11:42:24 AM
Ok I have to say the pics look good ;)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashemanu on January 09, 2010, 12:40:40 PM
I love the costumes, especially those of Sugizo and Yoshiki
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 01:17:40 PM
wow! i'm loving the costumes.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 09, 2010, 01:35:54 PM
First thought that came into my head - 'Versailles!' :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 09, 2010, 01:43:02 PM
what time is it now in hollywood? 9th of janyuary already?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Artseeker on January 09, 2010, 01:47:12 PM
Apparently the director for this video is Dean Karr, the same guy who's behind many videos for Marilyn Manson, Slayer and Megadeth. That's a good sign in my book ;)

Here's his videography

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0440061/
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 09, 2010, 02:00:22 PM
Apparently the director for this video is Dean Karr, the same guy who's behind many videos for Marilyn Manson, Slayer and Megadeth. That's a good sign in my book ;)

Here's his videography

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0440061/

He did Zilch's "Electric Cucumber" too and was close friends with Paul Raven, Zilch's bassist. If you look on his myspace blog far enough back to 2007 he posted some photos he took himself from that particular shoot. Dean Carr was also present on the boat which released half of Hide's ashes into the water in LA.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 09, 2010, 02:04:11 PM
Completely agree with the others who have mentioned Versailles and Pirate Heath!! First things I thought when I saw the photos.  ;D

So the big question is.................has any information leaked or has anyone found out what the 4 songs are yet? If pictures have been posted of parts of the PV shooting then surely someone knows what the songs are!! At least one of them???

He did Zilch's "Electric Cucumber" too and was close friends with Paul Raven, Zilch's bassist. If you look on his myspace blog far enough back to 2007 he posted some photos he took himself from that particular shoot. Dean Carr was also present on the boat which released half of Hide's ashes into the water in LA.

Cool, very interesting, I didn't know that. His myspace is cool, the man loves his sharks!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Artseeker on January 09, 2010, 02:08:38 PM
He did Zilch's "Electric Cucumber" too and was close friends with Paul Raven, Zilch's bassist. If you look on his myspace blog far enough back to 2007 he posted some photos he took himself from that particular shoot. Dean Carr was also present on the boat which released half of Hide's ashes into the water in LA.

I didn't know any of this. That's great 8)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 09, 2010, 02:32:30 PM
if you go here he has a bunch of pics up http://twitter.com/davialvarado
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MillieQOF on January 09, 2010, 02:40:34 PM
The set and outfits look seriously awesome!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: vayz on January 09, 2010, 02:48:53 PM
Yes Sander... I thought so, too, save for Pata who can be easily spotted upon.
I had to look closely to identify the rest so - Versailles I thought  :D
I don't know... is it my eyes or the picture is not that clear...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 02:56:19 PM
Someone on JRR knows the songs but she didn't revealed them   :'(

We have to wait patiently.... ;D

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

@ susanstar520 Awww thats too bad! I have been taking pics for the last 12 hrs already! Lol. @ karo its not a problem i want to make a sign i just dont know where to get anything lol. Oh i got the four songs from one of X Japan's workers.  Should i say what they are or let it be a surprise? Lol. I just got back like 20 min ago from my last visit of the site. The stage is looking awesome! 8D
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Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 09, 2010, 03:10:03 PM
Anyone who's signed up to JRockRevolution should talk to that user, tell her to just reveal them to everyone.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 09, 2010, 03:18:25 PM
i sighned up but they wont answer. its like its a life secret but im sure by the end of today we will all know.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 09, 2010, 04:10:13 PM
In addition to all the updates posted here by everyone, I'll also update the first post, where I'll gather as much info and pictures as possible.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Amethyst_Dahlia on January 09, 2010, 04:57:59 PM
Apparently the director for this video is Dean Karr, the same guy who's behind many videos for Marilyn Manson, Slayer and Megadeth. That's a good sign in my book ;)
Good, good! Very good! That's very promising indeed... :)

As Beauty/Broken said, he also directed the video for Zilch. =D So that makes it even more promising. <3
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 09, 2010, 06:11:43 PM
Oh how I wish I lived in LA instead of Oregon right now, so close yet so far away  :'( On a brighter note - Aye aye captain Heath :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 09, 2010, 06:50:46 PM
The music videos are for Rusty Nail, Endless Rain, I.V. and Jade!

----------------------

According to KarmaTweet (http://twitter.com/KarmaTweet) the filming today starts at 3pm. The fans have been previously asked to start checking in at 4pm and the road itself is closed from 10pm, so at 3pm, the filming probably starts at an indoor studio.

----------------------

Exclusive Behind-the-Scenes Peek of X Japan's Video Shoot for "Jade" (http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/synthful/exclusive-behind-the-scenes-x/) by Liz Ohanesian at LA Weekly!

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly1.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly2.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly3.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/laweekly4.jpg)

Pictures by Shannon Cottrell
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 07:17:20 PM
And i hoped to get a new song :(
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Hyunkel on January 09, 2010, 07:18:01 PM
In the latest link it is said: "The videos for songs "Rusty Nail," "Endless Rain," "I.V." and "Jade" will be epic"
and ""Jade," the newest of the four songs"

So...no new songs?  And PVs for Rusty Nail, Endless rain and I.V??????


EDIT: It will be for Rusty Nail, Endless Rain, I.V. and Jade....very disapointing
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 09, 2010, 07:19:20 PM
X DISAPPOINTING JAPAN
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 09, 2010, 07:19:52 PM
Cool, thanks for the update. A bit disappointed that there is no new "unknown" song but to be honest I kind of half expected that it wouldn't be a new song aside from Jade.

I wonder why they are doing another I.V. PV? Maybe to include Sugizo?



Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 07:24:58 PM
I wonder why they are doing another I.V. PV? Maybe to include Sugizo?

This is not so unexpected, it's more unexpected there is no without you PV
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 07:31:50 PM
http://www.laweekly.com/slideshow/view/29100770/1  here's 29 pictures.

I wonder what the wolf is all about?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 09, 2010, 07:36:38 PM
I wonder why they are doing another I.V. PV? Maybe to include Sugizo?

This is not so unexpected, it's more unexpected there is no without you PV

True it is a surprise that there is no without you PV. Although I never even considered another I.V. PV because they already have one and it was a recent shoot. Although it was tied in with the Saw IV movie so maybe they wanted their own PV. Its probably all down to the World Tour and gaining worldwide recognition.

I wonder if they have picked the songs they think (not necessarily we think) will perform best for the worldwide market and that is why they have gone with those four songs. Maybe they are even English versions of the songs for the World Tour? Or maybe even an English best of album? Ah well, will just see what happens.


Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 07:38:22 PM
I wonder if they have picked the songs they think (not necessarily we think) will perform best for the worldwide market

I think this is the case
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 07:39:55 PM
I wonder why they are doing another I.V. PV? Maybe to include Sugizo?
Maybe it's the Japanese version of I.V. Yoshiki has talked about a few times.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 07:42:09 PM
I wonder why they are doing another I.V. PV? Maybe to include Sugizo?
Maybe it's the Japanese version of I.V. Yoshiki has talked about a few times.

yeah, and he's been talking about how he had to shorten I.V. for the movie, maybe this time it's full version.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 09, 2010, 07:43:57 PM
I'm happy :) Though I'd prefer Kurenai for Rusty Nail :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Joker on January 09, 2010, 07:45:26 PM
Maybe they are even English versions of the songs for the World Tour? Or maybe even an English best of album?

I hope they won't do something so stupid.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on January 09, 2010, 07:48:53 PM
Even though I would have also liked to hear new songs, I don't really mind that they are redoing PVs for older ones as well.
It doesn't even look that weird to me, I've seen other bands making newer PVs for older songs.
However, I'm guessing that a lot of people are gonna be pissed off/disappointed with this so I better stay away from this thread from a while... :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 09, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
I wonder why they are doing another I.V. PV? Maybe to include Sugizo?
Maybe it's the Japanese version of I.V. Yoshiki has talked about a few times.

yeah, and he's been talking about how he had to shorten I.V. for the movie, maybe this time it's full version.

Good points, it could be! That would make sense!!

From the looks of those photos on that link you posted Shane it looks like there is a Phantom of the Opera-ish/Masquerade ball thing going on at some point. Goodness knows what the wolf is about, or the creepy baby/doll thing! But on the plus side Pata and Sugizo look awesome!!

Maybe they are even English versions of the songs for the World Tour? Or maybe even an English best of album?

I hope they won't do something so stupid.

I am sure I read somewhere though that Yoshiki wanted to do an English version of a best of (I might be getting mixed up and this might not be right, but i am sure I read it somewhere). If that is true I don't know why he thinks he needs English versions to get recognition across the world. There is already currently a strong fanbase across the world so they should start with that.  Anyway, I might be wrong and I was just speculating so please do not take any of this as fact, its probably just my imagination getting the better of me!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 07:58:57 PM
I'm happy  Though I'd prefer Kurenai for Rusty Nail

Agreed with Hypno!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 08:07:57 PM
I prefer that the songs who are in Japanese, remains Japanese.
I don't understand Japanese, but I like those Japanese prononciation (sound, I don't know the right english word) very much!!! All that uuuuuuuuuuuu's and iiiiiiiii's....I love it :-)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 09, 2010, 08:12:05 PM
I'm so excited, the pictures look awesome, I thought that they would just be on that stage outside. I do hope that these aren't English versions of rusty nail and endless rain, but we'll see.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashemanu on January 09, 2010, 08:19:23 PM
I am not especially fond of "Endless rain" but really like the other songs. So I am happy too :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 08:22:05 PM
I am not especially fond of "Endless the rain" but really like the other songs. So I am happy too :)
If it's new recording with Sugizo and Pata doing their own solo i have nothing against.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on January 09, 2010, 08:39:43 PM
our without music new......
and do it to record 3 music that jà has videos?
why I had been?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MillieQOF on January 09, 2010, 08:43:19 PM
I wonder if it's something along the lines of...
maybe the interest hasn't been as big in the world tour as they had expected. honestly i don't trust that X fans could fill the madison square garden for example. so they make new releases of their most fitting songs to try to reach a wider audience and through that be sure that they can complete a world tour with profit.
or so. that's what i hope. SO THAT I CAN FINALLY SEE THIS BAND.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 09, 2010, 08:51:07 PM
You mother fuckers lol can't appreciate shit..what did you expect, Art of life? I'm GLAD there are no new songs for this filming, do you really think they would be able to conjure up good songs considering how dysfunctional the band has been? The songs they chose are not only good choices for reaching out to an INTERNATIONAL fan base, but also, I probably speak on behalf of many people as well, I hardly enjoyed watching I.V with bits of Saw IV thrown in...god those horrible movies...Anyways, Jade needed a P.V. I'm sure we all expected at least Jade to be one of the 4. Endless rain is classic, VERY powerful song which I have found to be enjoyed by just about EVERYONE I show it to, despite their dominant interests. Finally, while Rusty Nail is the most Japanese song of the 4 selected, it's a REALLY catchy song that should be successful at opening up new fan to X Japan.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 09, 2010, 08:53:35 PM
Okay I didn't read through everything now, but I agree with Feudal on what he said about the choice of songs. They make sense if they want to go international now. :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 08:55:05 PM
You mother fuckers lol can't appreciate shit..what did you expect, Art of life?

That would be awsome
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 09, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
You mother fuckers lol can't appreciate shit..what did you expect, Art of life?

That would be awsome

Yes it would, however, not realistic at all.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 09:03:28 PM
You mother fuckers lol can't appreciate shit..what did you expect, Art of life?

That would be awsome

Yes it would, however, not realistic at all.

ofcourse not it's PV not movie
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 09, 2010, 09:07:30 PM
I agree with Feudal about I.V. It would be wonderful to see a PV for that song without the foul promo shots of Saw IV. The ONLY reason I might bite the bullet and buy that POS is to get the video of I.V. at the end. I have considered it frequently, but frankly, I can watch it on You Tube without dropping coin on it and promoting such tripe. I agree with Hypno, I would have been happier if it was Kurenai instead of Rusty Nail simply because of what Kurenai means to me, but Rusty Nail has an International appeal. Jade was a given, it needed to be done, and since it has a pathos similar to Without You, Endless Rain is a less redundant choice, and again may be more appealing to the main stream International first time listener. I'm happy with all of the choices, but then, I have been told I'm easy. LOL.

The photos all rock,  here, on twitter and at LAWeekly. Thanks to everyone who posted the links! Love!  :-*
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 09, 2010, 09:15:08 PM
Okay I'm sorry, but you do NOT say that "wee are recording four major X-Japan music videos" and then have this major setup, have all these awesome new sets, old/new VK style costumes and everything, just for songs we already have, that's not what "four new major X-Japan PV's" sounds like at all, really dumb move.

Well at least I'm not saying "well these new songs are shot, X are getting worse and worse" at least we're at the same level as before. Syill, majorly dissapointing.

That girl on the JRR forums going "I have the four secret songs, but I'm keeping them tee hee hee" didn't help either.

Also, you people saying "they selected those four songs because they're the best out of X's entire library that would appeal to the worldwide market".

Don't you realise that all that is is basically saying "we're picking mainstream songa for the mainstream market for money", that's not right, you've got to have at least one classic metal song in there as they are a metal band.

I would have no problem with 'Blue Blood, Rusty Nail, I.V and Endless Rain'.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 09, 2010, 09:21:53 PM
This is the attitude that saddens me. This IS an exciting event, for fuck sake we're lucky they are back, despite how wishy-washy it has been since 2007. Listen, do you really think a song such as "vanishing love" will attract as many people as something like Endless Rain or Rusty Nail? These are ideal songs to introduce North America TO X Japan which will THEN allow people to investigate further and FIND old songs and then like/dislike them. Also, Ulq, you make it seem like they are not allowed to have a certain style of fashion for these songs..who are you to judge that. I think they fit quite nicely.

Ok so you're comfortable with selecting Blue Blood over Jade which is their latest song that makes the MOST sense to be featured in this filming. I mean come on, it was a given from the announcement of this that Jade will be one of the four.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 09:24:44 PM

Don't you realise that all that is is basically saying "we're picking mainstream songa for the mainstream market for money", that's not right, you've got to have at least one classic metal song in there as they are a metal band.


It's not necessarily just for money, of course they are going to pick mainstream songs as they are trying to gain new audiences. Even I agree with the song choices and I love their older songs as much as new ones. They're not just a metal band, they have no specific genre.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 09, 2010, 09:31:57 PM
Forget what I said about the fashion thing that was dumb, but as for the metal music stuff, if they are a band of all genres and they're trying to introduce themselves to an entirely new audience showing all their types of music, then they should have had one of their metal classics as one of the four songs, they are a huge HUGE part of what they are.

Me replacing Jade was dumb too, I should've said I.V.

Also I've said it once and I'll say it again, they've been back for over 2 and a half years now, that's more then enough time to get your shit together, it seems more then enough time with every other band, and therefore imo, the time for saying "oh forgive them, be nice, be grateful they're even here!" was over a year ago, its been far too long now, so I'm sick of hearing that excuse, everytime X-Japan screws something up everyone immediatly jumps in with the "we forgive every bad mistake they ever make because we should be grateful they even came back" excuse, its tiring, and 2 and a half years is more than enough time to sort all this out.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 09:35:19 PM
...they should have had one of their metal classics as one of the four songs, they are a huge HUGE part of what they are...

i agree with this, metal is what they started with and what brought them to fame

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 09, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
Forget what I said about the fashion thing that was dumb, but as for the metal music stuff, if they are a band of all genres and they're trying to introduce themselves to an entirely new audience showing all their types of music, then they should have had one of their metal classics as one of the four songs, they are a huge HUGE part of what they are.

Me replacing Jade was dumb too, I should've said I.V.

Also I've said it once and I'll say it again, they've been back for over 2 and a half years now, that's more then enough time to get your shit together, it seems more then enough time with every other band, and therefore imo, the time for saying "oh forgive them, be nice, be grateful they're even here!" was over a year ago, its been far too long now, so I'm sick of hearing that excuse, everytime X-Japan screws something up everyone immediatly jumps in with the "we forgive every bad mistake they ever make because we should be grateful they even came back" excuse, its tiring, and 2 and a half years is more than enough time to sort all this out.

Yes but what you're forgetting to understand is that they are a band that was exclusive to Japan with an almost shocking little to no existence in the West. Then comes ten years of separation, each member doing different things. A reunion happens, they are all older and things are slightly different. The goal is now to attain an international fan base and be recognized worldwide. This is not easy since 99% of what they wrote was exclusive to Japan more or less. Furthermore, it is undeniable that Yoshiki has unfortunately had many problems physically since the reunion. They've had poor management, had to make changes, a wave of rumours of people leaving etc...it's been a roller coaster since they came back. It's not so easy for a band that is so legendary in one country alone to have much success on an international level when they in a sense, are building a name and image for themselves from the ground up. It would've been cool to see some old metal stuff of theirs but bands move along sadly.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 09:50:34 PM
I'm very curious about the Wolf picture  :D

For which song would it be?

That wolf picture reminds me of a film with Jack Nicholson... ;D

Anyone has an idea or imagination?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 10:00:14 PM
I'm very curious about the Wolf picture  :D

For which song would it be?

That wolf picture reminds me of a film with Jack Nicholson... ;D

Anyone has an idea or imagination?


Yeah pata is going werewolf  during his solo in jade, whait there is no solo in jade...hmmm
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 10:02:06 PM
I'm very curious about the Wolf picture  :D

For which song would it be?

That wolf picture reminds me of a film with Jack Nicholson... ;D

Anyone has an idea or imagination?


Yeah pata is going werewolf  during his solo in jade, whait there is no solo in jade...hmmm
LOL Pata as a werewolf would be amazing XDD. There could be a solo in Jade just yet, I doubt it, we'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 10:18:24 PM
Ok.

Pata the werewolf, Heath the pirate , Yoshiki a young beautiful innocent girl .
And Toshi and Sugizo?
What should they do?
The pirate should have to do something with the sea, but the werewolf I don't know if he would swim.
Anyone got ideas for a script?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 09, 2010, 10:48:38 PM
maybe there'll be a better solo than that noise thing in the actual I.V. song... and maybe a solo in Jade. :D

oh well, we'll see. Hope they don't take years to release the PVs and air them quick ! I'm curious about Rusty Nail and Endless Rain sung in english.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 10:50:55 PM


oh well, we'll see. Hope they don't take years to release the PVs and air them quick ! 

Me too. How long was the I.V. pv released after its filming, a couple of months?   I hope they leak online somewhere, or we get recordings or something!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 10:52:35 PM
oh well, we'll see. Hope they don't take years to release the PVs and air them quick !

what are you talking about, it usally takes around 10years to edit videos, just remember the last live
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 09, 2010, 10:56:05 PM
And the 93 and 94 concerts... x)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
And the 93 and 94 concerts... x)

yeah and just think about it, they need to record hide's parts too
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 11:02:29 PM
And the 93 and 94 concerts... x)

yeah and just think about it, they need to record hide's parts too

Oh god, it'll take even longer to edit all the hide footage in.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 09, 2010, 11:03:42 PM
I could make a massive post now about how I feel Yoshiki has massively screwed us over again, and I feel like doing so - but those will be two a penny so I will hold back on this occassion.

The thing I really, really don't get is why they are making PV's for old songs which sound dated. If they re-recorded them then sure... but it's just gonna look and sound crap. People are going to think "This music sounds crapply recorded". As for the inclusion of I.V. - I just don't understand that at all, the video for I.V. was very expensive and done with a high production standard. The song was even done in English and has ALREADY been released world-wide and introduced to the American market. Why do it again?

I dunno, I just feel that Yoshiki is WASTING his money.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 11:04:22 PM
You must be more optimistic!

All the reunited concerts, except the one of Taipei, are on the internet.
So...I think we will see the PV's very soon!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 11:07:28 PM
¥o$ki just wasting money like this doen't  sound right, kindda doesn't go along with his name
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 11:10:42 PM
@Beauty/Broken: About I.V. as I said, it very well might be the original extended version as they had to shorten it for saw IV or it could be the Japanese version.

@Ann1958: the concerts were televised so they were easy to record and upload it soon after, sadly, I think we'll have to wait quite some time until we see these PV's. But, i'll keep my hopes up, I hope we see them soon! :)

@ obi325: LOL!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 11:23:39 PM
If it is to conquer the worldmarket, they have no interest to wait months and months before people can see the PV's I think.
So I am very optimistic to that.
Wolf photo intrigues me intrigues me!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 09, 2010, 11:30:06 PM
I think this post might come across as a "shut up, at least they did 4 PVs bla bla bla",

but too bad they didn't do :

- Kurenai
- Rusty Nail
- Without You
- Jade

That way we would have had a classic metal song, one more rockish song, a ballad and a Post-2007 X Japan song.

I still can't get why Without You didn't get a PV. ^^"
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 09, 2010, 11:35:55 PM
http://tweetphoto.com/8388689    here's an invite of some sort.  I think at the bottom it says: " first 1000 fans get X-Japan glow sticks!"
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 11:41:34 PM
I consider the passed times of the band and hide stuff we can see on the screens when Toshi sings Without you as the PV for Without you.
So it is normal that they didn't do a PV for Without you. Those screen things they show is the best PV for Without you in my mind. That is my idea on it. But I understand other people wished another PV.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 09, 2010, 11:49:45 PM
Does Without you even coun't as X japan's song? It was, like amethist, originally yoshiki's solo stuff
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 09, 2010, 11:54:17 PM
Yes, because he wrote that song with Toshi's voice in his mind. He has been waiten for years to have it sung by Toshi. So for me it is an X japan's song.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 12:07:38 AM
Also I've said it once and I'll say it again, they've been back for over 2 and a half years now, that's more then enough time to get your shit together, it seems more then enough time with every other band, and therefore imo, the time for saying "oh forgive them, be nice, be grateful they're even here!" was over a year ago, its been far too long now, so I'm sick of hearing that excuse, everytime X-Japan screws something up everyone immediatly jumps in with the "we forgive every bad mistake they ever make because we should be grateful they even came back" excuse, its tiring, and 2 and a half years is more than enough time to sort all this out.
Too bad it's not enough to sort your spine out. Or the whatever thing that has been bugging Toshi lately.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Artseeker on January 10, 2010, 12:14:24 AM
I'll copy and paste what I wrote on another forum:

You know what? To be honest, I'm really happy about the songs they have chosen.
Endless Rain is great as it is, that's true, but I'd really like to hear a new version of it, it could be really interesting in my opinion. The same could be said for Rusty Nail and whatever other songs they decide to re-record. At least this Best Album will really have something new and won't be ANOTHER fucking Best Of, we have plenty of those. For the first time since the reunion I agree with a decision the band has made ;)

And if we don't like the re-recorded songs we still have the old ones, right? Also, if you think about it, it's really difficult to completely ruin masterpieces like Endless Rain and Rusty Nail, if the new versions happen to be worse, they sure won't be SO much worse than the old ones, just different...and that's totally ok with me, I LOVE re-recordings ;)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 12:16:06 AM
this is gonna be sweet. screw the haters. i cant wait.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 10, 2010, 12:21:45 AM
Can't wait also. curious about how the lyrics will turn out for the english version. :)

For Endless Rain, i always had in my head for an english version :

"Endless rain, fall on my heart, fall on my soul, forever" as the first line.

Now i'd be disappointed if it's not that. xD xD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 10, 2010, 12:23:18 AM
I completely agree with you Artseeker, it's basically a win-win situation.

I can't wait either.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Artseeker on January 10, 2010, 12:26:33 AM
Ah and let me add that the Best Album is surely NOT going to have just 4 songs, which means that they still may include re-recordings of Silent Jealousy, Kurenai and stuff like that, which would be AWESOME in my opinion. I also think they made a perfect choice by choosing Rusty Nail and Endless Rain as songs for the PVs, they're both great songs and catchy as well and they MUST bet on those if they really want to conquer the American market.

EDIT: I'm happy someone agrees with me ;)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 12:26:56 AM
another pic http://tweetphoto.com/8396316
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 10, 2010, 12:28:26 AM
ThanX for the pic!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 10, 2010, 12:29:06 AM
If the best of include re recording in english of stuff like Silent Jealousy and Kurenai (not those horrid VV lyrics uh ?), that'll be awesome indeed. :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 10, 2010, 12:29:51 AM
Ah and let me add that the Best Album is surely NOT going to have just 4 songs, which means that they still may include re-recordings of Silent Jealousy, Kurenai and satuff like that,

or maybe, just maybe it would be songs like tears, forever love, longing,...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Artseeker on January 10, 2010, 12:32:33 AM
Ah and let me add that the Best Album is surely NOT going to have just 4 songs, which means that they still may include re-recordings of Silent Jealousy, Kurenai and satuff like that,
or maybe, just maybe it would be songs like tears, forever love, longing,...

It could be, but we still have no clue about it, so let's wait until they release it. I'm sure they won't leave out all the metal songs they recorded in the past, it's more than a half of their discography, it would be ridiculous and not convenient as well.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 12:33:52 AM
A 10 second video clip from the scene:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fp39iMzP0[/youtube]

------------------------------

A few pics from the scene:

By sasukekun22 (http://twitter.com/sasukekun22):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/sasukekun22_1.jpg)

By KariniMiki (http://twitter.com/KariniMiki):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/karinimiki1.jpg)

By Badymaru (http://twitter.com/Badymaru):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/badymaru1.jpg)

By Davi Alvarado (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi7.jpg)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 10, 2010, 12:44:41 AM
Forget what I said about the fashion thing that was dumb, but as for the metal music stuff, if they are a band of all genres and they're trying to introduce themselves to an entirely new audience showing all their types of music, then they should have had one of their metal classics as one of the four songs, they are a huge HUGE part of what they are.

Me replacing Jade was dumb too, I should've said I.V.

Also I've said it once and I'll say it again, they've been back for over 2 and a half years now, that's more then enough time to get your shit together, it seems more then enough time with every other band, and therefore imo, the time for saying "oh forgive them, be nice, be grateful they're even here!" was over a year ago, its been far too long now, so I'm sick of hearing that excuse, everytime X-Japan screws something up everyone immediatly jumps in with the "we forgive every bad mistake they ever make because we should be grateful they even came back" excuse, its tiring, and 2 and a half years is more than enough time to sort all this out.


Yes but what you're forgetting to understand is that they are a band that was exclusive to Japan with an almost shocking little to no existence in the West. Then comes ten years of separation, each member doing different things. A reunion happens, they are all older and things are slightly different. The goal is now to attain an international fan base and be recognized worldwide. This is not easy since 99% of what they wrote was exclusive to Japan more or less.

I'm assuming your refering to me critisizing how long they're taking to get things right, but also I'm assuming you're trying to explain why having a old metal song might not be a good idea because they're trying to be recognised in the American market, in that case I have to point out the obvious fact that heavy metal is not a Japan only genre, infact its more popular in most other counties like the US/UK then in Japan, so I don't know what you'd be talking about by saying that using the old metal songs as PV wouldn't grab the US's attention.

Also bands do not move on to the degree that you think all of them do.

Anyway all I'm wondering is why they don't treat their old metal songs with the respect they seem to give every other type of song they've made, Yoshiki seems to avoid the old metal songs at every opportunity that comes up. All I've said is that just one of the songs should've been something like Blue Blood, that's all, there's no way Yoshiki isn't physically able to record a pv for a song like song like Blue Blood, if he's not able to even do that right now he shouldn't even be trying to record any of these four pv's.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 10, 2010, 12:50:00 AM
Forget what I said about the fashion thing that was dumb, but as for the metal music stuff, if they are a band of all genres and they're trying to introduce themselves to an entirely new audience showing all their types of music, then they should have had one of their metal classics as one of the four songs, they are a huge HUGE part of what they are.

Me replacing Jade was dumb too, I should've said I.V.

Also I've said it once and I'll say it again, they've been back for over 2 and a half years now, that's more then enough time to get your shit together, it seems more then enough time with every other band, and therefore imo, the time for saying "oh forgive them, be nice, be grateful they're even here!" was over a year ago, its been far too long now, so I'm sick of hearing that excuse, everytime X-Japan screws something up everyone immediatly jumps in with the "we forgive every bad mistake they ever make because we should be grateful they even came back" excuse, its tiring, and 2 and a half years is more than enough time to sort all this out.


Yes but what you're forgetting to understand is that they are a band that was exclusive to Japan with an almost shocking little to no existence in the West. Then comes ten years of separation, each member doing different things. A reunion happens, they are all older and things are slightly different. The goal is now to attain an international fan base and be recognized worldwide. This is not easy since 99% of what they wrote was exclusive to Japan more or less.

Um, excuse me, but heavy metal is not a Japan only genre, infact its more popular in most other counties like the US/UK then in Japan, so I don't know what you're talking about by saying that using the old metal songs as PV wouldn't grab the US's attention.

Also bands do not move on to the degree that you think all of them do.

Anyway all I'm wondering is why they don't treat their old metal songs with the respect they seem to give every other type of song they've made, Yoshi seems to avoid the old metal songs at every opportunity that comes up. All I've said is that just one of the songs should've been something like Blue Blood, that's all.

well there is this problem with yoshiki and druming cu of his medical problems
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 12:50:14 AM
Thanks for the little video and pics.
It must be great and very excited to be there!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 12:58:37 AM
Another picture from Davi (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi8.jpg)

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 01:10:21 AM
another pic http://tweetphoto.com/8399307 performing jade
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 01:13:22 AM
Two picture from a fans perspective, by Frandango (http://twitter.com/Frandango):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/frandango1.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/frandango2.jpg)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on January 10, 2010, 01:14:11 AM
Wait, wait...how did the decision that those 're-recordings' came up?
Was it stated officially somewhere?
Or are we just assuming/hoping?
Cause frankly, I really think it's gonna be simply 'another best of album'.
Just, in my case....I don't have a problem with it.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 01:22:38 AM
People are assuming. And so am I (hoping to get some Sugizo-input to those songs).

A shot of the pyrotechnics by Davi (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/davi10.jpg)

A picture by CalebSherm (http://twitter.com/CalebSherm):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/CalebSherm1.jpg)

And a picture by ANN_Bamboo (http://twitter.com/ANN_Bamboo):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/ann_bamboo1.jpg)

And another by Agouty (http://twitter.com/Agouty)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/agouty1.jpg)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 10, 2010, 02:04:29 AM
another pic http://tweetphoto.com/8399307 performing jade

???  did they put the studio version song on when then did the pv?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 02:15:47 AM
No one knows but the people who were there. The guy who posted that pic didn't include any other information.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: kazooms on January 10, 2010, 03:16:59 AM
http://qik.com/video/4353960

you can here JADE at the pv shoot.
about 2mins of sound
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 10, 2010, 03:23:54 AM
Oh wow! AMAZING!! so I guess that one short clip circling youtube of the studio-demo of Jade is what they're using officially.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 03:29:48 AM
Apparently, according to a tweet by Max_zumwalt (http://twitter.com/Max_zumwalt), X Japan just covered Loudness. This has not yet been confirmed though.

Some pics from the scene by LinerNotes (http://twitter.com/linernotes) (first 1000 people got X Japan glowsticks):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes1.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes2.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes3.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes4.jpg)


And one from inVERTIGO (http://twitter.com/invertigo):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/invertigo1.jpg)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 10, 2010, 03:34:04 AM
I really wish that I could have been there, I hope somebody got some footage of the loudness cover (if they did indeed do one that is)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 04:19:04 AM
A pic of the band on the stage by Twink6 (http://twitter.com/Twink6)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/twink6_1.jpg)

------------------------

The chief operating officer of MySpace, Michael Jones (http://twitter.com/mjones) is currently backstage the PV shooting. He also posted a picture:

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/mjones1.jpg)

Some more pics, two by LinerNotes (http://twitter.com/linernotes):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes5.jpg)

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/linernotes6.jpg)

... one by Kismetn (http://twitter.com/kismetn):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/kismetn1.jpg)

... another by MySpace's chief operating officer Michael Jones (http://twitter.com/mjones):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/mjones2.jpg)

... and one by Peoso (http://twitter.com/peoso):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/peoso1.jpg)


And a YouTube link for the Jade PV shooting clip:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVf-O-fZdeY[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 04:58:29 AM
jade sounds so beautiful i cant wait
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 05:03:56 AM
And a picture of the fans by Stu Levy (http://twitter.com/stulevy):

(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/stulevy1.jpg)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Hyunkel on January 10, 2010, 05:26:03 AM
Jade sounds better here than live
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Thomas849 on January 10, 2010, 05:28:00 AM
you can actually hear the guitars and drums in this lol in comparison to the studio verison...that or im just hearing things
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: dethbylasercanon on January 10, 2010, 05:40:36 AM
I just got home. I got there around 4:44, saw some Yoshki and Heath cosplayers. I'd say about 600 people maybe more. Toshi was first to show up and wave to the crowd. First song was a live (prerecorded) version of Endless Rain (with all the japanese people singing the chours) then I.V. live with piano intro. Then the studio Rusty Nail and what sounded like a studio version of Jade.

After that the band left the stage for a while (I think they were waiting for the sun to go down) Then the played the 4 songs again while some staff members were passing out the X-Japan glowsticks. Then the band left for a long time, and on the big screen they were showing clips from the last live, then later Yoshiki and Suigizo's piano and violn solo Tears, Weekend, Kurenai, Without You from I think the 2009 shows.

There was a japanese girl cosplayed as Yoshiki with the blue dress, she didn't really speak much english but she was cool. A staff member with a big camera came to me and asked me "What does X-Japan mean to you?" and me of course being the overexcited guy I am I yelled at the top of my lungs "X-Japan is a freakin' awesome japanese metal band with beautiful piano and such!!!" lol embrassing.  Anyway when the band returnted to the stage they played the same 4 songs, only this time with more lasers and pyro.

Theres a few details I'm missing sorry if my grammar messy I'm freakin' tired and excited lol
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ba-DiL on January 10, 2010, 05:43:09 AM
I consider the passed times of the band and hide stuff we can see on the screens when Toshi sings Without you as the PV for Without you.

seconded ;D


and, Oh yeah... @ArtSeeker
I'm with you my friend ;)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 10, 2010, 05:49:46 AM
looks like no changes on jade. no guitar solo   >.<
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MisterEN on January 10, 2010, 06:16:38 AM
looks like no changes on jade. no guitar solo   >.<

It doesn't really suprise me, in Luna Sea Sugizo really shined with solos that expanded far beyond the studio recordings. I would probably say 90% of the Luna Sea song sound way better live than the studio albums (which is a shame because its hard to find their older live shows). I think leaving the guitar solo out gives Sugizo more room to shine in the live shows rather than sticking strictly to what's in the recording. If you take into account Sugizo's muted guitar solo, I would say live Jade will most definitely be better than Studio Jade.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 10, 2010, 06:46:31 AM
well, i m missing hide so much, lol.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 10, 2010, 06:48:42 AM
It doesn't really suprise me, in Luna Sea Sugizo really shined with solos that expanded far beyond the studio recordings. I would probably say 90% of the Luna Sea song sound way better live than the studio albums (which is a shame because its hard to find their older live shows). I think leaving the guitar solo out gives Sugizo more room to shine in the live shows rather than sticking strictly to what's in the recording. If you take into account Sugizo's muted guitar solo, I would say live Jade will most definitely be better than Studio Jade.

The solo of Ra-Se-N live... now that's a solo. *_*
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 07:02:24 AM
hey found this it danny masterson hyde from the 70's show on X-Japan stage http://twitpic.com/xhjhu
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 10, 2010, 07:32:25 AM
Pfff Maybe I should have stayed up longer afterall... xD

Thank you ro everyone who posted links and pictures!! :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 07:51:28 AM
found this [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL1biWkbNbY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 10, 2010, 07:52:24 AM
Has enyone shown that yet?

Rusty Nail... :)
http://psycho-times.blogspot.com/2010/01/rusty-nail.html
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 10, 2010, 08:37:15 AM
Wait... wasn't it supposed to be in english ?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 10, 2010, 08:42:49 AM
um.. no? I think english version were just specualtions :P

Anywy, here's a part of I.V., showing many the crowd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TseQtJBoag&feature=youtu.be&a
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Pocku on January 10, 2010, 08:44:35 AM
Yea, there was never any official announcement that said there would be. I was actually kind of hoping to hear what Endless Rain would sound like in English.

And thanks to everyone who posted pictures and videos. :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 10, 2010, 08:45:10 AM
Wait... wasn't it supposed to be in english ?

Apparently not, we were just assuming they would be.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 10, 2010, 09:06:45 AM
looks like no changes on jade. no guitar solo   >.<

It doesn't really suprise me, in Luna Sea Sugizo really shined with solos that expanded far beyond the studio recordings. I would probably say 90% of the Luna Sea song sound way better live than the studio albums (which is a shame because its hard to find their older live shows). I think leaving the guitar solo out gives Sugizo more room to shine in the live shows rather than sticking strictly to what's in the recording. If you take into account Sugizo's muted guitar solo, I would say live Jade will most definitely be better than Studio Jade.

You're thinking to far ahead, Yoshiki composed this, therefore its staying as it is no matter what, Yoshiki is not going to allow anyone improvising solos during it.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ba-DiL on January 10, 2010, 09:15:15 AM
@ulquiorra
You should get yourself Vanishing Vision n BLUE BLOOD album ... ;D

*no offense*
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 10, 2010, 09:21:16 AM
Um, what exactly did my post have to do with the old albums? I simply responded to someone saying that Yoshiki would not let Sugizo improvise, that's got nothing to do with my opinion on the old songs vs new, think before you post. I will say now that any of the old metal songs that Yoshiki has ("claimed to have") written all the guitar parts for, I did not see any improvisation going on in the old lives either.

Anyway, what is going on with that Rusty Nail video, that is NOT the studio version, I don't know if they're performing live there, or if its a version from one of their reunion lives they're lip-synching to, either way, Its the sound of current Toshi giving a performance that's not as good as the studio version and that had better not be used for a Rusty Nail rerecording.

Seriously I have no idea what was going on there, the second verse/chorus was cut out for some reason, Toshi's singing was nowhere near as good as the studio version so what do they think they're doing? What was that video about?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 10, 2010, 09:30:16 AM
The pics and videos made my day. I keep popping in to see who has posted what. Headed to bed with a smile on my face. Great to see. Thanks to everyone who posted.

As for solos, *shrug* perhaps, perhaps not, but none of us was privy to the band meetings or to the agent/labe/producer meetings, so unless the band members are stricken by an aberrant urge to disclose both what was discussed and their reasoning behind it, we will never know the real reasoning behind choices made...ever. LOL I am just happy to see them active, within the dictates of their individual healths. I hope they had as great a day as the fans seemed to have.  ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Badymaru on January 10, 2010, 09:48:36 AM
Has enyone shown that yet?

Rusty Nail... :)
http://psycho-times.blogspot.com/2010/01/rusty-nail.html

lol thats my blog. Anyways, I'm posting more videos on my Youtube, I've got a ton. http://www.youtube.com/user/Badymaru

I've also got a bunch of pictures that I'll probably put up on my other blog. http://visual-indication.blogspot.com/


~Bady
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 10, 2010, 09:51:10 AM
Your 'Rusty Nail in Hollywood 1' video is actually the Endless Rain solo.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 10, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
Thanks for the great uploads badymaru!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Pocku on January 10, 2010, 10:26:20 AM
Its the sound of current Toshi giving a performance that's not as good as the studio version and that had better not be used for a Rusty Nail rerecording.

Rerecording? I think I've seen this mentioned a few times but can any tell me whether this is another assumption we're making or if it's official news?

And you're awesome for uploading those videos badymaru!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Badymaru on January 10, 2010, 10:37:57 AM
Your 'Rusty Nail in Hollywood 1' video is actually the Endless Rain solo.

Oops, You're right. xD Thanks!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 10, 2010, 10:47:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhU11TdRHp4

Full Studio version of Jade

Doesn't sound much different from the verison we got a few months ago, but its Definatly better. Toshi's vocal harmonies are improved in a few places I think, also if we are to assume this is the studio version being played considering the music is playback & Toshi's vocals are all lypsinced, in that case Sugizo's mini guitar solo for this song that was played on the live versions has made it into the studio version, which i'm happy with.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: julien on January 10, 2010, 11:45:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhU11TdRHp4

Full Studio version of Jade

Doesn't sound much different from the verison we got a few months ago, but its Definatly better. Toshi's vocal harmonies are improved in a few places I think, also if we are to assume this is the studio version being played considering the music is playback & Toshi's vocals are all lypsinced, in that case Sugizo's mini guitar solo for this song that was played on the live versions has made it into the studio version, which i'm happy with.

It sounds good :) i wanna hear the studio version without the screaming crowd xD and they should up the guitar volume =) (at least that's what i think)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: xjokerx on January 10, 2010, 11:47:17 AM
I am actually disappointed that there's no new song except Jade :P
anyway I think they will release best album with dvd that will contain these pvs.
I am looking forward to see the full pv asap (hopefully)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
this is awsome sounds perfect. to the haters who are gonna complain just shut up and enjoy. if you dont like just dont listen but stop ruining it for the rest of us this is huge bigger than any of you. if you dont see that then maybe you shouldn't be a fan anymore cause your love for this band is obviously dead. sorry there not the perfect band everyone wants but thats life you cant always get what you want. i have yet to be dissapointed by X-Japan i doubt i ever will be. thanks for the vids a pics worht every bit of sleep i lost.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 12:52:14 PM
this says it perfectly http://twitpic.com/xi9mi
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
vid of fans saying we are x [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4--UHu-14[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 10, 2010, 01:06:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhU11TdRHp4

Full Studio version of Jade

Doesn't sound much different from the verison we got a few months ago, but its Definatly better. Toshi's vocal harmonies are improved in a few places I think, also if we are to assume this is the studio version being played considering the music is playback & Toshi's vocals are all lypsinced, in that case Sugizo's mini guitar solo for this song that was played on the live versions has made it into the studio version, which i'm happy with.

I hope that's not the final version. The drums aren't still real recordings, they are synthesised.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 01:06:46 PM
yoshiki talking [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSXn2PM4NM0[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 10, 2010, 01:07:17 PM
@Wearex316 HA! That's what I was missing until now! :DD

WE ARE....!?!?! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEKSSSS!!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 01:09:40 PM
best vid so far [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUD_uv6skk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rL6dgUQMbA[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 10, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
i have yet to be dissapointed by X-Japan i doubt i ever will be.

You're blind, that's all. Also, You're saying I'm not allowed to have critisism's and find imperfections? Shutup, all you're doing is covering your ears going "lalalalalala don't speak any ill of my favourite band noooo".

Anyway, Toshi's voice sounds nice, I like the harmonies and the fact they had some kind of solo in there. This is a ballad/rock song like Dahlia, the next time Yoshiki decides to say "this will be the heaviest X song yet" actually make a proper heavy metal song, not a half ballad song. As for being a half ballad half rock/metal song, comparing to Dahlia, I don't think now its as bad as I thought, I can see where it has its strengths and weaknesses (yes wearex, weaknesses), and it does do different things from Dahlia like the vocal harmonies.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 01:24:41 PM
Anyway, Toshi's intercostal things seems to have disapeared  :D :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 01:29:34 PM
im not saying they are perfect but they are. im not covering my ears i actually like the songs. im not blind your the one that says your an X fan but does nothing but trash them. you are allow critasim but to what point. to the point where your bringing the rest of us down. your the one that cant let go. if you dont like the song so be it. your allowed not to. but dont trash them with your way off options. stop trying to ruin such a huge night for us. just sit back and enjoy. or stop careing about what X does.cause obviously nothing they do from now on will ever satisfy you. X wont be around much longer that we all know. so why do nothing but hate lets love what time we have left with X before theres none.

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 01:30:56 PM
i have yet to be dissapointed by X-Japan i doubt i ever will be.

 (yes wearex, weaknesses)
ha where? didnt see it i must be BLIND
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 10, 2010, 01:34:12 PM
best vid so far [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUD_uv6skk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rL6dgUQMbA[/youtube]

so they stil have old hide solo recording :( was hoping on new pata-sugizo solo
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 10, 2010, 01:38:54 PM
i have yet to be dissapointed by X-Japan i doubt i ever will be.

 (yes wearex, weaknesses)
ha where? didnt see it i must be BLIND

The point of that is to say that it is not a fact that X-Japan is perfect in everything they do, and the truth is there are lots of people who have critisisms of some of the things those bands do, and we are perfectly allowed to express those critisisms if we want.

If you are going to majorly defend Jade to extreme lengths since you see no problem with it then whatever, your opinion, but don't you try and tell people who have problems with the band that they're not allowed to express them and should get off the forums, that's not right, that's the point I'm trying to get at.

And to be honest if kind of is a fact the band isn't perfect, even if you have never been dissapointed with there songs, there's no denying that all the delays and other problems that should never have happened have been awful and are a big flaw of the band, so don't go around saying "everything they do is perfect" I'm not listening to you lalala I'm covering my ears!".
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 01:46:39 PM
The problem is that everybody has too much expectations, and so they are disapointed.
Accept everybody as he or she is, open your esprit, and no more dissapointments.
Act as that in life, and also towards X Japan. You will not be disapointed then.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 10, 2010, 01:49:29 PM
Stop argueing and enjoy those picures!  ;D

http://twitpic.com/xinzh
http://twitpic.com/xio4q
http://twitpic.com/xioc6
(from here: http://twitter.com/chasewang)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 01:49:36 PM
And I also think that Ulquiorra is a very big fan, but also a great saw (something to cut wood), so let her or him be!!!! And live in peace and enjoy!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on January 10, 2010, 01:50:38 PM
The fucking point is that a band doesn't have to be PERFECT so that you can love it and so that it can be your favourite band.
You are not just critisizing them, you are flat out bashing them and you insult everyone else who still likes them by saying we are blind, stupid or whatever.
I don't care if you want to say your opinion about song, or their new direction...go on and say it as many times as you like, we have all memorized it by now.
However, the WAY you are saying it really grates into my nerves far too fucking much.
I love this band, I love their songs, I don't give a flying shit WHAT kind od genre their songs are as long as they are songs I like.
And hell, I do like them. That's all that matters to me.
I'm tired of you and everything you post here.......yes, you have every fucking right to post it but OMG, I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY FUXKING SICK OF IT.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on January 10, 2010, 01:53:54 PM
Stop argueing and enjoy those picures!  ;D

(http://twitpic.com/xio4q)

(http://twitpic.com/xinzh)
http://twitter.com/chasewang

Awww, cool pics have started showing up just the moment I have to leave my house to go out...T_T
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 01:58:25 PM
Yes, beautiful pics.
Can anyone rassemble all those pics and video's?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 10, 2010, 02:08:06 PM
ThanX for the great pics AsukaMiyu!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 10, 2010, 02:13:10 PM
The best thing is... click the small "full size" button..... the images are HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!!! xD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 10, 2010, 02:19:35 PM
what? piano solo intro of jade?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Selaiah on January 10, 2010, 02:23:21 PM
I would say the piano pic is from Endless Rain. At Jade Yoshiki is wearing a red shirt (I think) and Toshi is wearing something darker aswell.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 10, 2010, 02:24:04 PM
best vid so far [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUD_uv6skk[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rL6dgUQMbA[/youtube]

so they stil have old hide solo recording :( was hoping on new pata-sugizo solo


did yoshiki really play drum? if yes, so glad he recover already
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 02:37:12 PM
i have yet to be dissapointed by X-Japan i doubt i ever will be.

 (yes wearex, weaknesses)
ha where? didnt see it i must be BLIND

The point of that is to say that it is not a fact that X-Japan is perfect in everything they do, and the truth is there are lots of people who have critisisms of some of the things those bands do, and we are perfectly allowed to express those critisisms if we want.

If you are going to majorly defend Jade to extreme lengths since you see no problem with it then whatever, your opinion, but don't you try and tell people who have problems with the band that they're not allowed to express them and should get off the forums, that's not right, that's the point I'm trying to get at.

And to be honest if kind of is a fact the band isn't perfect, even if you have never been dissapointed with there songs, there's no denying that all the delays and other problems that should never have happened have been awful and are a big flaw of the band, so don't go around saying "everything they do is perfect" I'm not listening to you lalala I'm covering my ears!".
ill agree the delays and postponments have sucked but lifes to short. my daughter has shown me that. there are way to many pluses than negatives when it comes to X. its just up to you what you want to focus all your efforts on. me i rather focus on the pluses.

and roseofpain : amen

but we are one big family here. hell every great family argues. thats just goes to say we must be the greatest family ever. but i am tired of arguing so i call a truths. lets stop for now and enjoy the beauty of X.

Ulquiorra i may be blind but i do see X has some of the most passionate fans out there. And you are one of them. i just wish you would complain so much. they are not perfect nor do they need to be. but our time with them is running out. soon they will be 50 after that its just a matter of time. lets enjoy what time we have left with them before its to late.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 02:44:13 PM
did yoshiki really play drum? if yes, so glad he recover already


It seems that he plays drums yes, but I don't believe he is recovered enough to play the drums during a concert. That is not possible so soon. We must be patient.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: magucathy on January 10, 2010, 02:45:39 PM
Thanks for posting all those great pics and videos. It's nice to see them on the stage again.
Did Yoshiki play the drum live? If yes, which means he has recovered fully, right?
hide's guitar was placed nearby Yoshiki's drum set. I cannot remember, but did they do the same in
the i.v. video?

Did they get any $$ from apple?  ;D  because we can see a huge itouch ad in the background.
Hopefully, we won't see it in the official videos.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Selaiah on January 10, 2010, 03:10:17 PM
Lol, i thought the same about the Apple ad, It totally ruins the scene.
And yes, they did the same in the I.V. video. I think it was the black guitar (with the multicolored pattern) placed on hides usual place on stage.
Regarding Yoshiki, in one of the Endless Rain videos from tonight I saw him wearing his neck brace while playing piano.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: julien on January 10, 2010, 03:15:14 PM
"Did they get any $$ from apple?    because we can see a huge itouch ad in the background.
Hopefully, we won't see it in the official videos. "

YOSHIKI uses a lot apple stuff... X even had some press meeting in Tokyo apple centre or something.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 10, 2010, 03:20:04 PM
"Did they get any $$ from apple?    because we can see a huge itouch ad in the background.
Hopefully, we won't see it in the official videos. "

YOSHIKI uses a lot apple stuff... X even had some press meeting in Tokyo apple centre or something.
And Toshi had a signing and mini live in an apple store.

If they are well in with apple, the new songs/album or whatever it's gonna be should be on itunes faster! :D

Although i'm still wondering how long we'll have to wait for a new release, because as I and people said, because of video editing and stuff for the PVs.

Surely they can release Jade on itunes as a single.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: RoseOfPain on January 10, 2010, 03:20:50 PM
Man, those previews really make the wait even harder :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 03:45:01 PM
Man, those previews really make the wait even harder :P
i know dosnt it. i named my daughter after jade and there isnt even a studio version or a pv for it. but what really sucks is seeing those pics and knowing you were there but at the wrong time. i ate where the stage is when i was in hollywood. just wish i was there yesterday. i wounder if anyone else famous was there. so far hyde from the 70's show is the only one. anyone know if any more?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 10, 2010, 04:10:02 PM
Well the Chief Operating Officer of MySpace, Michael Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jones_%28Internet_entrepreneur%29) was there (backstage also) and he even posted a few pics.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
found more
X Purple Sky Mag  http://purpleskymagazine.com/?p=2245

I.V. Pyro http://www.twitvid.com/7607B video quality is crappy but still cool

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fp39iMzP0[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Thomas849 on January 10, 2010, 07:52:40 PM
Thanks for all the posts!, also, did they make any announcements or anything?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 10, 2010, 07:54:42 PM
At everyone who posted the wonderful pics and videos, MONDO Thank you and Muchas Gracias! Because I left a comment on one of the earliest pics I have made a new twitter friend or two and was PM'd on twitter and invited to the show! Le sigh, no passport and a 24 hour drive, I fear I might have arrived on time to watch them wrapping up the set. LOL. Oh well, it's the thought that counted. What a wonderful time everyone looks to have had!

@ WeareX316 and RoseofPain: Well said and Amen. I have also yet to be disappointed by the band before or after the 1992 change and my eyesight and compassion are 20/20. X Japan have pleased me even if I don't like every song equally. Sure, I like Jade better than I.V. and I prefer Kurenai and X over Orgasm or I'll Kill You, but that is my preference, not something the band has done right or wrong just to piss me off. I'm put in mind of the quote: "You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." Who said that anyway? (too lazy to google)  ;D

@Ulquiorra: my only issue with the majority of your posts is you speak in such absolute negatives. You come across as absolutely hating Yoshiki with a passion bordering on rage, and it seems you expect him to know what every fan wants and to be able to cater to it, putting himself aside as if he didn't matter. That is simply impossible. I just cannot understand how any person can say 'I am a fan and love the music' but then hate the man who created it all, especially if you have never met that man. *shrugs* I agree with what others have said here, it gets old, and it is depressing for some. I almost left the board because of the constant Yoshiki bashing and hatred exhibited on X Freaks (and not just by you) ...almost. ( Oh, and the phrase 'a saw' means simply that,  like a saw, a person passes through the wood(issue) making the same sound over and over again. I know you asked about that on a different thread.)

To Yoshiki's drumming? He was likely 'drumsyncing' to the 'canned' music used for most PV filming. I personally doubt he is ready for the concert stage yet. Same as Toshi was likely syncing much of the filming, not because of his voice issues, but due to the way these things are filmed as a rule: stop, start, cut action, hurry up and wait. Drumsyncing will have been much easier on him than in concert. Anyone who was there can answer this better than me though. 

What a GREAT New Years gift! As the poster from JRRevolution said, Thank You X Japan!  ;D And love to all here on the board.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 07:55:23 PM
not yet that i know of. im sure they will soon i hope. but sugizo said in his myspace blog that hes gonna be here a while. so who knows if the rest are too.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 10, 2010, 07:59:52 PM
At everyone who posted the wonderful pics and videos, MONDO Thank you and Muchas Gracias! Because I left a comment on one of the earliest pics I have made a new twitter friend or two and was PM'd on twitter and invited to the show! Le sigh, no passport and a 24 hour drive, I fear I might have arrived on time to watch them wrapping up the set. LOL. Oh well, it's the thought that counted. What a wonderful time everyone looks to have had!

@ WeareX316 and RoseofPain: Well said and Amen. I have also yet to be disappointed by the band before or after the 1992 change and my eyesight and compassion are 20/20. X Japan have pleased me even if I don't like every song equally. Sure, I like Jade better than I.V. and I prefer Kurenai and X over Orgasm or I'll Kill You, but that is my preference, not something the band has done right or wrong just to piss me off. I'm put in mind of the quote: "You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time." Who said that anyway? (too lazy to google)  ;D

@Ulquiorra: my only issue with the majority of your posts is you speak in such absolute negatives. You come across as absolutely hating Yoshiki with a passion bordering on rage, and it seems you expect him to know what every fan wants and to be able to cater to it, putting himself aside as if he didn't matter. That is simply impossible. I just cannot understand how any person can say 'I am a fan and love the music' but then hate the man who created it all, especially if you have never met that man. *shrugs* I agree with what others have said here, it gets old, and it is depressing for some. I almost left the board because of the constant Yoshiki bashing and hatred exhibited on X Freaks (and not just by you) ...almost. ( Oh, and the phrase 'a saw' means simply that,  like a saw, a person passes through the wood(issue) making the same sound over and over again. I know you asked about that on a different thread.)

To Yoshiki's drumming? He was likely 'drumsyncing' to the 'canned' music used for most PV filming. I personally doubt he is ready for the concert stage yet. Same as Toshi was likely syncing much of the filming, not because of his voice issues, but due to the way these things are filmed as a rule: stop, start, cut action, hurry up and wait. Drumsyncing will have been much easier on him than in concert. Anyone who was there can answer this better than me though. 

What a GREAT New Years gift! As the poster from JRRevolution said, Thank You X Japan!  ;D And love to all here on the board.

very well said and WE ARE X (i just cant say that enough)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 08:10:42 PM
Yes, very well said!!!
And thanks also to explain what I meant with saw  ;D ;D. My english is very bad and i won't do wrong at nobody, so I am glad someone explained I meant.

Love to everybody and peace and cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeese!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: edyork on January 10, 2010, 08:21:35 PM
wowowow i've missed out so much!

Thanks to everyone who posted the links to videos and pictures of the event! It feels REALLY good to see them back together doing some serious business xD whatever it is, i know i can't wait for the 4 new PV, and im satisfied with the songs chosen =)  And may i add, they look really good that day! lol!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 08:36:07 PM
I don't know the meaning of 'seconded'. I have searched the traduction of that word, but don't find it.
Someone can tell me the meaning?
Thanks :-)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 10, 2010, 08:53:05 PM
@Ann1958:  a good explanation can be found here. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I%20second%20that (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=I%20second%20that)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 10, 2010, 09:03:01 PM
Ok. Thank you: it is 'I agree'.
:-)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 10, 2010, 10:40:30 PM
Don't think this has been posted yet, a really clear version of JADE, just that the intro is cut off. And the end, but it's clear at least. :D

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa6t3O1PG14[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on January 10, 2010, 11:41:11 PM
EPIC!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 11, 2010, 03:04:49 AM
Found this: http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/synthful/exclusive-behind-the-scenes-x/ (http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/synthful/exclusive-behind-the-scenes-x/)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ben on January 11, 2010, 05:50:29 AM
thanks everyone for sharing your links

even though it's just crowd recording, i'm starting to like "Jade" more; Toshi's vocal harmonies during the verses make the song much better; and i like the intro with the piano and the strings leading into the heavy guitar
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: hyde26 on January 11, 2010, 07:01:17 AM
OMG!! I have always liked "Jade" its a good song, But wow...Toshi's Voice on the studio version is F*in amazing , he still is the best singer ever in my opinion! :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Badymaru on January 11, 2010, 09:43:09 AM
I finally got all my videos up and my pictures uploaded on my blog here. http://badymaru.livejournal.com/6186.html

Jade was the only song I didnt really know before the filming. It was the song where I kept thought it was ending, but then it would start up again, haha. good song though, I cant wait for a studio version, its been stuck in my head all day. o-o
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: MiscastDice on January 11, 2010, 10:03:59 AM
I'm slowly uploading some photos and possibly my videos (if my net connection is nice to me)

But here's a photo teaser: Heath's ass :)

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8088/1000117u.jpg)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 11, 2010, 11:34:42 AM
heaths ass lol
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 11, 2010, 11:47:36 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the version of Rusty Nail they are miming is a live version, I think from The Last Live. Why would they be doing that? Do they want to make a music video for the live version? It just seems so strange.

Maybe there is only one real music video coming out of this, for Jade (they did extensive indoor filming for Jade alone), and maybe the other three songs which were all filmed exclusively on the stage outdoors will have another purpose.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Badymaru on January 11, 2010, 12:04:08 PM
Rusty Nail was definitely a live version. I think Endless Rain was as well. I know cause Toshi was having difficulty trying to match up to his random screaming outspurts because of them being live. It was kinda weird.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: jaimex on January 11, 2010, 12:50:52 PM
thank you all for the pics and vids. sure appreciate it from half a world away. I m glad Yoshiki is loooking well.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 11, 2010, 01:13:53 PM
More nice pictures here: http://purpleskymagazine.com/?p=2245
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 11, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
thats awesome that yoshiki said that they want to do a concert here this year. im so there. hopefully nothing will go wrong this time.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Joker on January 11, 2010, 02:24:37 PM
These were only video recordings, probably used these live recordings just to sync the video. There are rumours (always rumours, but this time I really hope that they're true) of re-recording Rusty Nail, Endless Rain, Week End, and an "extended" version of I.V.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 11, 2010, 02:30:20 PM
anyone know how many fans showed up. they were Xpecting 3,000 to 5,000 fans but i dont think that happened. fans came from Japan Brazil and Mexico. im just curious. and i found that guy who caught Sugizo's pick on myspace im just wanna tell him how jealous i am.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 11, 2010, 02:37:55 PM
thats awesome that yoshiki said that they want to do a concert here this year. im so there. hopefully nothing will go wrong this time.
on one of the videos I watched, after Yoshiki said that they wanted to do a concert this year, some guy shouted out "DON'T HURT YOUR NECK!!!" couldn't have said it better myself lmfao :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on January 11, 2010, 03:31:45 PM
a person posted this in the X Boards         I hope be true

1. the pv of endless rain will be re-shoot, and yoshiki confirmed the new version of endless rain is a enhance version and result in a more smooth progress of the whole song, the only part remain unchanged will be the guitar solo part.

2. Rusty nail pv re-shoot, the song will be re-record based on the idea of the dahlia tour and last live version.

3. Extended version of I.V. is 8 minutes long, 3 minutes more longer than the movie version, and include a piano and string intro part like silent jealousy and kurenai.. Sugizo was heavily involved in the extended version.

4. Weekend.. also same as rusty nail, the new version will be taken from the dahlia tour and last live version with inserted piano part..

5. interesting one, there will be 2 version of Without you, one is the string version, another one is the band version. according to yoshiki, the re-recorded version sounds like Tears
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 11, 2010, 03:49:00 PM
Found this, the sound isn't great but it is a clear video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUD_uv6skk  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUD_uv6skk) If it has been pre posted, I apologize, but I don't recall seeing this one yet.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 11, 2010, 04:11:07 PM
a person posted this in the X Boards         I hope be true

1. the pv of endless rain will be re-shoot, and yoshiki confirmed the new version of endless rain is a enhance version and result in a more smooth progress of the whole song, the only part remain unchanged will be the guitar solo part.

2. Rusty nail pv re-shoot, the song will be re-record based on the idea of the dahlia tour and last live version.

3. Extended version of I.V. is 8 minutes long, 3 minutes more longer than the movie version, and include a piano and string intro part like silent jealousy and kurenai.. Sugizo was heavily involved in the extended version.

4. Weekend.. also same as rusty nail, the new version will be taken from the dahlia tour and last live version with inserted piano part..

5. interesting one, there will be 2 version of Without you, one is the string version, another one is the band version. according to yoshiki, the re-recorded version sounds like Tears

Wow, I sure hope all that's true.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on January 11, 2010, 04:26:59 PM
 Shane 140 I yes believe that it is that's it
We are X
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Tanabata on January 11, 2010, 06:15:23 PM
I would just like to send a big thank you to those of you who have posted videos and pictures.  For most of us who couldn't make it it gives us a little insight as to what happened.

Thank you!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 11, 2010, 06:27:58 PM
http://video.rhetbear.com/xjapan/xjapan%20day%201%20timelapse.mov

The stage being set up, from different cameras, on January 8th.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 11, 2010, 07:12:55 PM
Waaaauw!!! That is cool!! I want them to construct a new home for me!!! :-)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 11, 2010, 07:56:55 PM
The fucking point is that a band doesn't have to be PERFECT so that you can love it and so that it can be your favourite band.
You are not just critisizing them, you are flat out bashing them and you insult everyone else who still likes them by saying we are blind, stupid or whatever.
I don't care if you want to say your opinion about song, or their new direction...go on and say it as many times as you like, we have all memorized it by now.
However, the WAY you are saying it really grates into my nerves far too fucking much.
I love this band, I love their songs, I don't give a flying shit WHAT kind od genre their songs are as long as they are songs I like.
And hell, I do like them. That's all that matters to me.
I'm tired of you and everything you post here.......yes, you have every fucking right to post it but OMG, I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY FUXKING SICK OF IT.

I think I'm being won over by everyone now, mostly.

I don't know truly what yoshiki was thinking when he made the Dahlia album, he might not have realised about fans like me, Darkcat, Demonbefriender ect. So he might not have been deliberatly thinking "I know I'm gonna piss fans like this off, but I don't care", he might've been thinking a lot of people like the ballads we play, so I'll do more of them, and he did put in Rusty Nail and Dahlia as well. Also I reckon he was fueled by being told in the early days by managers "you must write this kind of metal" in which he basically responded with "I don't want to be forced into doing only one type of metal songs, fuck off". So his desicions to change a lot might've been fueled by that.

And Yoshiki might not have even known about the mentality of fans like me, his roots are heavy metal but also classical composition/piano ect, and then love/sad songs probably because of his father, and living in Japan where at the time there basically was no metal & no internet I doubt he would've heard the opinions of metal fans from bands like Maiden & Priest, so there's a lot he can't be blamed for I guess. I'm not sure if that's fully the case but it could probably be true.

However I'm not saying I like him much as a person still, but not that much for a lot of the reasons I mentioned anymore. But becase of his personality and the way he shows himself off and treats everyone else as inferior, which I still hold to be true, I don't think I like him all that much for those reasons still.

Anyway, I guess I do agree with the "it doesn't matter what genre statements", I mostly agree to that, as long as whatever different genre or style of music they play still takes a lot of talent to make and play, and as long as it comes from the heart and not some generic dance/rap beat (not insulting ALL rap) made on a computer like some of the pop songs I hear. I also believe that a complete transformation in music style should be done slowly over time, so as not to confuse fans and make them go "hey wait wha? Where's the heavy metal music?", in other words not the way Yoshiki did it with the Dahlia album, but again he probably just doesn't know what a lot of metal fans like me think so, again I have much less of a problem with his decision then I used to. I'm critisising the speed in which he changed the band rather than what he changed it to itself.

I believe that Jade comes under a different style, but still takes talent, there's good writing in that song. There are still a lot of areas Jade that imo should be improved like

1. The riff sounds like its trying to hard to be heavy metal "du dun dun dun DUN DUN" over and over, it doesn't come off as naturally sounding like a metal riff.

2. I think the trying to sound moody/mysterious when singing style in the verses slows things down to much and doesn't sound s interesting as other things they could be doing there.

3. Glad there's a solo, now extended and write more then "dedeledeledeledele dudolodulodulodulodulu".

However I have good points about the song.

1.The riff sounds okay, and I love the sudden shrieks of the guitar near the end before the first verse, and at least there is a riff.

2. I don't know what to think of the live version, but Toshi's voice and harmonies makes the choruse's feel a lot less boring then I think they might do live, they sound awesome.

3.The solo, hooray I'm glad one even exists, and besides my critisisms about itearlier it does still sound kind of cool.

Its got advantages and dissadvantages against 'Dahlia', so its not a pointless or shit song as I claimed it was.

As for I.V, well I think Jade is a lot better then I.V now, but apparently there's an 8 minute version coming out so i'll wait and see what it is, however there have been times when fans who've been to these events/lives have somehow got it wrong before.

I do still have a couple of critisisms of the band, and its Yoshiki's personality towards others that makes me not like him that much mainly, but I have a mostly different look on things thanks to your post RoseofPain.

We Are X!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 11, 2010, 08:17:53 PM
A report by LJ user beckielrick: http://beckielric.livejournal.com/252463.html
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 11, 2010, 08:26:32 PM
Copied and pasted from X boards.

Natalie.mu has just announced that a PV for Kurenai is going to be shoot on January 12 and 14. No details or when or how have been announced.

X JAPAN MUSIC VIDEO SHOOTING in Hollywood MUSIC VIDEO SHOOTING

Total attendance: 8000 people
Number of staff: 800 people
Guard staff: 100 people
Police and fireman: 100 people
Total production cost: 500 million yen

And more details which I don't know how to translate, but the important is that 8000 people in the event.

MUSIC VIDEOS DIRECTED BY

Rusty Nail - AARON PLALT
Jade - DEAN KARR
ENDLESS RAIN - RUSSELL THOMAS
Kurenai - NATHAM FOX

http://natalie.mu/news/show/id/26197
http://mainichi.jp/enta/geinou/news/201001...200003000c.html

More info. I'm not very sure about this one, but Oricon says that Yoshiki got an offer to perform at the Lollapalooza festival in the US.
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/music/72297/full/


Kurenai PV woohoo!  :o :D   I.V. isn't on that list though, probably just a mistake.

Here's the best Rusty Nail vid yet, they've decided to shorten the song, and it's a recording from a live version.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnKyFLk79_w[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 11, 2010, 08:54:41 PM

"Yoshiki, while negotiating the appearance on the long-established Lollapalooza festival in Chicago , is also producing "an album of PV collections".

http://www.sanspo.com/geino/news/100112/gn...20507008-n1.htm

Unrelated but Muse is also playing at the festival :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 11, 2010, 08:55:18 PM
I don't think I.V is extended, apparently its just a rumour, and we've seen some of the vids of it already and its just a lypsinced live version. Btw, someone said on the previous page that someone on the "X boards" said I.V was extended, which "X boards" are you refering to?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 11, 2010, 09:05:14 PM

"Yoshiki, while negotiating the appearance on the long-established Lollapalooza festival in Chicago , is also producing "an album of PV collections".

http://www.sanspo.com/geino/news/100112/gn...20507008-n1.htm

Unrelated but Muse is also playing at the festival :D

Yeah, I totally fanboy at the proposition of X Japan and Muse on the same bill. Yoshiki and Matt Bellamy should hook up and make some music together, seing them dual on piano would be beyond epic.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 11, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuP0wS8oKbI[/youtube] I.V.   The playback was from a live.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 11, 2010, 10:05:32 PM
Ulquiorra: I think they mean X boards, a spanish X japan site. Just type x boards on internet, and you see the site.
I understand your feelings . I also think that Yoshiki has learned other hard lessons in his life (beside his fathers dead): he also mentioned in interviews about Toshi being his victim. So, as I said in another thing I wrote: we have to accept people as they are. Everybody thinks doing his best. And everybody learns of his faults. (And I am crazy of the song Unfinished!!!!)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 11, 2010, 10:11:54 PM
More pictures from the PV shooting:

http://forever-dream.diary.ru/p92069687.htm
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Amethyst_Dahlia on January 11, 2010, 10:15:12 PM
I uploaded all of the photos I took at the X Japan video shoot. =D They're on my Flickr account:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11223213@N05/sets/72157623066572989

There's also a video clip in there, and I plan on uploading the rest of them to my Youtube account since Flickr is only letting me upload one. XD"
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 11, 2010, 10:19:06 PM
I dont know if this has been posted yet, but at the end someone shout to Yoshiki: don ' t hurt yur neck!, when he sais he hoped to see them in a concert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni0bmzI4mZE
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 11, 2010, 10:41:47 PM
Japanese news clip
part1
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANoPjgQX--o[/youtube]
part 2

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uk5pkYpgqI[/youtube]

And a Endless rain
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rfh0Vr2DUw[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 11, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
one of the comments on one of those videos said it was for a video game. that would make sense that would explain why it was edited and why jade was the only one involving costumes. maybe they will be in rock band since that guy was there. that would be sweet. and long over due.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Badymaru on January 12, 2010, 12:48:28 AM
What I want to know is if they are shooting this for anything, why did they start at 4 when the sun was still up and continue until the sun went down? All of those different shots are going to have different lighting and if they put them together it might look weird...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 01:36:08 AM
one of the comments on one of those videos said it was for a video game.

Aizen9? That would be me. And I heard it from an article about the pv recordings that was posted here.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: kazooms on January 12, 2010, 02:05:53 AM
Dunno if its been posted here but in the Japanese newspaper articles
it mentions that

1. In the JADE PV YOSHIKI is the wolf boy;)
(you can see the wolf mask in the theatre shooting pics)
He said althought he's a rocks star he was nervous as its his
first time as an actor

2. During a 'bed scene' shot in one of the rooms at the theatre (JADE)
the sprinkler went off and the fire brigade was called. Because
the building is old the water was black!;)

3. With regard to the use of older songs YOSHIKI said that for the
overseas market Rusty Nail and Kurenai are both new songs and
that he wants X JAPAN's to be known as the band that does crazy shit!
(sorry couldnt think of a better alternative). He allso admited that their
5 million yen 'business card' (the cost of their pv shooting) was
a little pricey;)


Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 02:22:16 AM
Except for a few seconds of the piano opening, this is the full and best quality version of Jade so far.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKNzXGlGIek[/youtube]

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 12, 2010, 02:57:28 AM
Except for a few seconds of the piano opening, this is the full and best quality version of Jade so far.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKNzXGlGIek
anyone got a new lyric for this? (speculation after listening)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Thomas849 on January 12, 2010, 03:53:52 AM
anyone else starting to think there isnt another "new song" lol and its all just been hear say
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ben on January 12, 2010, 04:11:09 AM
anyone else starting to think there isnt another "new song" lol and its all just been hear say

Yoshiki might have some new ideas he's working on, who knows; we'll find out at the right time
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Crock.Extinction on January 12, 2010, 05:32:22 AM
8 minutes I.V.? Hmm ... If I'm not wrong ... I remember I read somewhere that Yoshiki said I.V. was longer than the movie version, but it had to be cut to fit in the movie or something like that ...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: julien on January 12, 2010, 01:14:48 PM
JADE is beautiful <3 I really wanna get the studio version soon !
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 12, 2010, 02:55:00 PM
Anyone up for speculating when and where the North American concert(s) may be? :) Based on that one video someone posted here earlier, Yoshiki told the fans he hopes to see them in a real concert maybe sometime this year. Not only am I biased to the east coast but they DID officially say they wanted to play Madison Square Garden and I still have faith. In my opinion, they should do one west coast show and one east coast. I live in Toronto but only one can dream that they would play here in Canada. Although..Toronto is Canada's biggest and most popular city..who knows! At least New York is do-able ...although quite the journey it would be well worth it.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 02:57:40 PM
mm, the real concert might the what japanese press is reporting, that the band has been offered to play in lollapalooza this summer
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 12, 2010, 03:06:27 PM
mm, the real concert might the what japanese press is reporting, that the band has been offered to play in lollapalooza this summer

True, I actually just discovered that on Xplosion ;p Also, what is this about a Kurenai PV between Jan. 12-14 ?! As much as I hate info on X Japan coming out in bits and pieces, it keeps the suspense quite well lol.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 12, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
If the report about the Kurenai PV is true, then the shooting must have started by now. oO
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 12, 2010, 03:23:52 PM
Anyone up for speculating when and where the North American concert(s) may be? :) Based on that one video someone posted here earlier, Yoshiki told the fans he hopes to see them in a real concert maybe sometime this year. Not only am I biased to the east coast but they DID officially say they wanted to play Madison Square Garden and I still have faith. In my opinion, they should do one west coast show and one east coast. I live in Toronto but only one can dream that they would play here in Canada. Although..Toronto is Canada's biggest and most popular city..who knows! At least New York is do-able ...although quite the journey it would be well worth it.
mm, the real concert might the what japanese press is reporting, that the band has been offered to play in lollapalooza this summer

I think that it is quite likely that they would use something like Lollapalooza as a platform to launch themselves to new audiences and gain recognition in the US which is their aim at the moment. I know they said previously that they want to play MSG but I think they need a much higher profile in the USA to be able to fill it!

I also think the problem at the moment is that people will not have much confidence in concerts actually taking place due to previous cancellations so less people will be prepared to invest in concert tickets/travel/accommodation. If they play a few festival type things and some smaller gigs and restore that confidence then I think that would be a good idea before attempting a large gig like MSG.

Also, I hope they remember Europe and the Paris gig in their effort for World domination worldwide recognition!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Thomas849 on January 12, 2010, 03:28:23 PM
I live in Toronto but only one can dream that they would play here in Canada. Although..Toronto is Canada's biggest and most popular city..who knows! At least New York is do-able ...although quite the journey it would be well worth it.

lol yea im living in Toronto too, and it was always my intention to mission out to see them when they did the MSG show that was what....2 years ago? lol but yea id still go to NY just because i really doubt they would do Canada

where is lollapalooza held?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 12, 2010, 03:29:01 PM
If the report about the Kurenai PV is true, then the shooting must have started by now. oO

Yea, I hope so! With regards to this Lollapalooza, I'm both happy and sad. I'm glad X Japan are finally making it into North America, however, they just don't seem to fit in with the general following of Lollapalooza. I've never even heard of this festival until now and it makes me sick thinking of X Japan playing at a typical north american, druggy, crowd-surfing, moshpitting, rock festival. lol I mean, I'd rather X just go to a smaller venue alone...something the size of their new years gig in Japan @ Blitz. I'm happy for them because if the news is true and they got an invite, just by looking at the following Lollapalooza has, it's great exposure for X Japan in North America...but is it the right crowd? :(
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 12, 2010, 03:38:24 PM
If the report about the Kurenai PV is true, then the shooting must have started by now. oO

Yea, I hope so! With regards to this Lollapalooza, I'm both happy and sad. I'm glad X Japan are finally making it into North America, however, they just don't seem to fit in with the general following of Lollapalooza. I've never even heard of this festival until now and it makes me sick thinking of X Japan playing at a typical north american, druggy, crowd-surfing, moshpitting, rock festival. lol I mean, I'd rather X just go to a smaller venue alone...something the size of their new years gig in Japan @ Blitz. I'm happy for them because if the news is true and they got an invite, just by looking at the following Lollapalooza has, it's great exposure for X Japan in North America...but is it the right crowd? :(
i agree i dont think it fits them. the big hype that is X the pyro and lights wouldnt work there it would be to much. i do also agree it would be great exposer but at what cost. they are a solo band maybe if they had a couple american bands open for them. but not there. they would be able to be X there.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 12, 2010, 03:41:08 PM
in that video you can hear the drums a lil better for Jade. i really like it. we need a studio version.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 12, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
If the report about the Kurenai PV is true, then the shooting must have started by now. oO

Yea, I hope so! With regards to this Lollapalooza, I'm both happy and sad. I'm glad X Japan are finally making it into North America, however, they just don't seem to fit in with the general following of Lollapalooza. I've never even heard of this festival until now and it makes me sick thinking of X Japan playing at a typical north american, druggy, crowd-surfing, moshpitting, rock festival. lol I mean, I'd rather X just go to a smaller venue alone...something the size of their new years gig in Japan @ Blitz. I'm happy for them because if the news is true and they got an invite, just by looking at the following Lollapalooza has, it's great exposure for X Japan in North America...but is it the right crowd? :(
i agree i dont think it fits them. the big hype that is X the pyro and lights wouldnt work there it would be to much. i do also agree it would be great exposer but at what cost. they are a solo band maybe if they had a couple american bands open for them. but not there. they would be able to be X there.

Exactly! In my opinion, I'd be like "thanks but no thanks" lol and then work on some GOOD and meaningful advertising, release CD's AND DVD's in the North America, perhaps even launch a website, like the jrocknation one and cast an official nationwide/worldwide vote which venue most people want and how many are willing to go, give or take a few thousand and then play their cards from there. Hell, a place the size of  Akasaka blitz would be perfect. If approx. 8,000 showed up to the Hollywood thing with what, a months notice? then just imagine with good marketing/ad's how many ppl they could get then.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: vayz on January 12, 2010, 03:50:05 PM
Thanks so much to all of you who have uploaded videos and photos of the X Japan filming in the US of A as well as to all who have posted links to other blogs. I guess now hide will truly rest in peace as SGZ will really take his place. I shall wait for the day that SGZ will play hide's part in Art of Life. It's about time that X Japan leave the past behind and start anew.

off topic: our newest member is hypno2. do you know him Sander?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 04:53:17 PM
If approx. 8,000 showed up to the Hollywood thing with what, a months notice? then just imagine with good marketing/ad's how many ppl they could get then.
Well that's including all the random people passing by, who have (had) no idea who X Japan is. Which I guess might count to even more than half.

Lollapalooza is a HUGE alternative rock/hip hop/punk rock festival, last year there were around 225,000 people with dozens of bands on 8 stages, last year etc. Depeche Mode, Kings of Leon, Ben Folds, Rise Against and so on preformed there. If X gets to preform on the main stage, it would be huge... Of course only if they get a good timeslot/people actually bother to listen. Also, X has been playing for a nearly cult-like bunch of fans for the last 20 years at least, they might not seem so awesome playing a bunch of strangers who are hearing their music for the first time. I might be mistaken also, and I'm sure a thousand X Japan fans would go there at LEAST. Plus, someone already mentioned it might be a good way to introduce them to a non-jrock/anime fans/japanophile crowd, but also to more mainstream public.


And Hypno2 is a test-account I'm using to check out a few things (to make sure everything is running smoothly) :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 05:11:49 PM
Want to start by thanking all those who have provided information from the past few days, well done everyone. With regards to the Lollapalooza rumour, essentially it is great exposure to the western fans. However, perhaps doing it at this particular festival isn't exactly the best way to approach it. I think the band suits a more arena-style venue with lots of lighting, pyrotechnics and visual effects and I doubt they will get to perform on either of the main stages at Lollapalooza as they are usually reserved for Pitchfork-hyped indie acts or main headliners. If they do however get a headlining slot for a smaller stage then they ultimately run the risk of clashing with a massive act. Then we have the risk of the neutral festival go-er enjoying them or not, my experience of festivals is that a lot of people go to see acts that they have a small amount of interest in or has heard of at the very least. Obviously for us people here, we are all fairly big X fans so we would make it our priority to see them. I would honestly admit I would not see a band that I've never heard of at a festival, usually I see 2-3 "must-see" acts and a large handful of ones that I've heard good things about, but I very rarely make an effort to see a band I've never heard of. If I was Yoshiki I would just play a show in LA, one in NYC and perhaps one at the Rogers Centre in Toronto. The last thing I want to see is the band booking a large venue and only being 40% full. All in all, I wish the band the very best and hope everyone gets a chance to see them live!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 12, 2010, 05:20:03 PM
If approx. 8,000 showed up to the Hollywood thing with what, a months notice? then just imagine with good marketing/ad's how many ppl they could get then.
Well that's including all the random people passing by, who have (had) no idea who X Japan is. Which I guess might count to even more than half.

Lollapalooza is a HUGE alternative rock/hip hop/punk rock festival, last year there were around 225,000 people with dozens of bands on 8 stages, last year etc. Depeche Mode, Kings of Leon, Ben Folds, Rise Against and so on preformed there. If X gets to preform on the main stage, it would be huge... Of course only if they get a good timeslot/people actually bother to listen. Also, X has been playing for a nearly cult-like bunch of fans for the last 20 years at least, they might not seem so awesome playing a bunch of strangers who are hearing their music for the first time. I might be mistaken also, and I'm sure a thousand X Japan fans would go there at LEAST. Plus, someone already mentioned it might be a good way to introduce them to a non-jrock/anime fans/japanophile crowd, but also to more mainstream public.


And Hypno2 is a test-account I'm using to check out a few things (to make sure everything is running smoothly) :P

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere today that there were ~8,000 FANS present in addition to the randoms/crowds etc. In any case, this event probably isn't the best thing for X Japan. They will have a hard time fitting in and won't receive the amount of appreciation since more than half of the people who attend probably have never even heard of them before. I know lots of people who simply laughed at me when I told them my favourite band is Japanese...people have such stereotypes and automatically think a band from Japan is hilarious. Aside from that, there are clearly other ways of promoting ones self or band...being a side-show to a big festival where you hardly belong is not the smartest of idea's in my opinion. If they're worried they won't be able to fill the likes of Madison Square Garden, then play it safe and do an Akasaka Blitz size venue.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 05:26:13 PM
I'm fine with that festival, X also needed festivals before Blue Blood was released in order to get more attention and get introduced to new fans, they are already used to play in festivals where most of the audience doesn't know them. Now America will be a 'new thing' for them and any kind of festivals is welcomed, although i'm sure that they will eventually play the MGS or sth similar, but yes, later.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
X used to play several gigs a month also. I don't think they'll have time/energy for that. Also, they might either a) get the main stage with a crappy timeslot or  b) get a secondary stage but be on the stage at the same time with Muse or something. So I'd really prefer several stand-alone (or some bands for opening) gigs.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 12, 2010, 05:37:25 PM
I think X Japan will go down quite well, because their support is so devoted that even while reletively small they will be followed wherever they go.

I think if X Japan had played MSG it would have been highly embarressing... as it just wouldn't have sold well. Think back to the SKIN show, a mere few thousand fans made such a huge level of noise and atmosphere, if X Japan played in a festival atmosphere, I don't think for a second they will end up flat on their ass.

Although, someone may bottle them. Bottling is a regular thing for all bands at festivals in the US or UK, and given the way the band dress... they may have to deal with that.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 12, 2010, 05:56:53 PM
I'm fine with that festival, X also needed festivals before Blue Blood was released in order to get more attention and get introduced to new fans, they are already used to play in festivals where most of the audience doesn't know them. Now America will be a 'new thing' for them and any kind of festivals is welcomed, although i'm sure that they will eventually play the MGS or sth similar, but yes, later.

Yea this is true. In a sense they are building themselves up again...I can only imagine in the early VV days they played LOTS of small gigs/festivals to build a name, but the difference is that it was done in their context, Japan. Playing at Lollapallooza may be good for them and it carries along with it the hope that they will gain a larger North American following in order to carry out a sold out or almost sold out MSG or something of that nature. Sadly, X Japan is very unstable as we've seen and Yoshiki constantly says he/they are truly unsure how long it will last. This could be the one and only gig they get in North America OR it could be the beginning of a new era for them.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 06:05:12 PM
HA you think Yoshiki would stand bottling? They'd walk right off the stage! And that would be the end of that.

They can't gain a large following if they play in a huge festival where everyone is drunk and watching the other band. Yoshiki won't accept anything else than the main stage and if they preform there at 1pm, when 70% of the people aren't there yet and the other 30% is setting up or getting drunk, then they'll go totally unnoticed. Yes, there might be a 1000 X Japan fans there, but that won't matter since they know X from before already.

Yes, a festival might do them good, but it can also go so wrong.

I'd personally prefer a few gigs in the US, at medium venues (under 10,000) to gain popularity. If they pull off even a few gigs in a row then a) people would dare to buy plane tickets/book hotels again and b) they'd gain more fans in the US. So that would be my opinion.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 06:07:57 PM

I agree with Sander. They won't get a good timeslot on any worthwhile stage IMO. If they do get main stage then it will be early on in the day where people will either be waking up or filtering into the festival, plus they will get only about 40-50 minutes. If they do get a good timeslot on a small stage at night then they will face competition from very established bands such as Radiohead or someone of that stature. A lot of bands are releasing new albums this year and will be looking to secure a slot at festivals such as Lollapalooza and All Points West. Expect Beastie Boys, Sigur Rós, Arcade Fire to be a few names that will hope to play on a headlining slot. Also Green Day and blink-182 are back on the circuit this year and are heavily rumoured, and finally reunited bands such as Pavement (who will draw large crowds due to their independent reputation) and Soundgarden will be considered.

The promoters generally look for a mix of pitchfork media inspired independent acts (such as Animal Collective), fairly well known Alternative rock bands and finally massive headlining acts such Bowie ::), Muse and Radiohead, and unfortunately X Japan doesn't fall into any of those categories. X wouldn't really suit playing the small tents which showcase dance/hip-hop acts.

They should do small theatres within big venues such as MGS which holds about 5000 people. We're not entirely sure of the level of interest yet so they shouldn't do festivals or really large venues, why not test the consumer market first instead of risking so much by playing in a 13,000+ venue. There are other factors to take into consideration but I don't want to sound really pessimistic about this, I just don't want them to rush things and ultimately backfire thus causing more frustrations for both the fans and the band.

ps - If Yoshiki got bottled he would most definitely cut the set and walk off stage.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 12, 2010, 06:14:00 PM
HA you think Yoshiki would stand bottling? They'd walk right off the stage! And that would be the end of that.

They can't gain a large following if they play in a huge festival where everyone is drunk and watching the other band. Yoshiki won't accept anything else than the main stage and if they preform there at 1pm, when 70% of the people aren't there yet and the other 30% is setting up or getting drunk, then they'll go totally unnoticed. Yes, there might be a 1000 X Japan fans there, but that won't matter since they know X from before already.

Yes, a festival might do them good, but it can also go so wrong.

I'd personally prefer a few gigs in the US, at medium venues (under 10,000) to gain popularity. If they pull off even a few gigs in a row then a) people would dare to buy plane tickets/book hotels again and b) they'd gain more fans in the US. So that would be my opinion.

I agree 100% I'm worried though that if it so happens that Yoshiki is feeling up to it physically, mentally etc. that he would do this kind of thing anyways despite the bottling thing in an attempt to make a mark. I agree and think that the best choice is to do smaller gigs exclusively with as MUCH attention on them as possible and build from there. Let people see X Japan for all they are worth...not a small portion of a drunken, drugged, mosh fest where the appreciation level will be insanely low.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 06:37:18 PM
The promoters generally look for a mix of pitchfork media inspired independent acts (such as Animal Collective), fairly well known Alternative rock bands and finally massive headlining acts such Bowie ::), Muse and Radiohead, and unfortunately X Japan doesn't fall into any of those categories. X wouldn't really suit playing the small tents which showcase dance/hip-hop acts.
You now know more than the promoters who offered Yoshiki to play? Because the news say that it was offered to Yoshiki to play there, he didn't ask, so the guys from the festival want X Japan.

And yes, two concerts, in Los Angeles and New York in 5000 people venues would be the best choice. Plus a festival. It would suck if they bottled the band on stage, but I don't think that in a festival they would bring all the roses and gay stuff and they would dress a bit different.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
You now know more than the promoters who offered Yoshiki to play? Because the news say that it was offered to Yoshiki to play there, he didn't ask, so the guys from the festival want X Japan.

And yes, two concerts, in Los Angeles and New York in 5000 people venues would be the best choice. Plus a festival. It would suck if they bottled the band on stage, but I don't think that in a festival they would bring all the roses and gay stuff and they would dress a bit different.
Well the festival guys would attract an extra 1000+ fans (=1000+ tickets sold), no matter when or where X would play. I'm not saying the deal is bad for the festival, it might, however, be bad for X as a band. Even if they'd get bottled and no one else would like them, the festival organisers would've already gotten their share.


And Ami, they might not loose any fans, but if they fail to have an impact there, they might loose willingness to try any more outside Japan (or Asia). One failed concert for a small starting band is nothing, but for a huge name like X Japan it might be devastating enough that they'd push forward their World Domination plans another 10 years.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 12, 2010, 07:09:55 PM
I'm thinking lollapolooza would be a mistake, I don't think that crowd would appreciate them. I agree with most of you, tour 1,000+ venues, test out the waters, and slowly but surely build a new following. In addition I was thinking that they should try to get a spot on late night television or something like that over here, it would be a good medium for spreading the word.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 07:22:23 PM
As you know I've changed my tune quite a bit, but I have to point out, this is the U.S we're talking about, with the list of bands I've heard so far at this lollapolooza festival it doesn't sound like it'll be majorly metal orientated, however, it is still a rock oriented festival, and being in the U.S, fans at festivals like these aren't so inclined to hear tons of ballads or songs like Drain/I.V.

Especially fans at festivals like 'gods of metal' or 'reading' for example, its either powermetal/oldschool style heavy metal&rock 100% all the way or you get bottled for being a soft sounding emo band or a new generic mainstream band that just strums up & down on the guitar wildly for 10 minutes. My Chemical Romance have been bottled at least twice at these kind of concerts.

I'm not saying X-Japan has a weak sound, or that they're emo, or that they just fling their hands randomly on the guitars and looky pretty for the girls in music videos like the new mainstream bands do, but the truth is all the ballads and songs like Drain & I.V will not go down well (I think Jade's got a lot of good moments, I think that song could work.) So they had better not go to a festival like that right now, with that setlist or they'd better be prepared for something like bottling to happen.

This lollapolooza festival, they might go down well there, since its bands like Muse & Radiohead, I don't know what kind of bands Beastie boys (recently reunited pop group?) & Arcade Fire are though.

I absolutly agree that they should've started with small concerts first, to gain popularity slowly rather then risking it all.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 07:22:55 PM
The promoters generally look for a mix of pitchfork media inspired independent acts (such as Animal Collective), fairly well known Alternative rock bands and finally massive headlining acts such Bowie ::), Muse and Radiohead, and unfortunately X Japan doesn't fall into any of those categories. X wouldn't really suit playing the small tents which showcase dance/hip-hop acts.
You now know more than the promoters who offered Yoshiki to play? Because the news say that it was offered to Yoshiki to play there, he didn't ask, so the guys from the festival want X Japan.

And yes, two concerts, in Los Angeles and New York in 5000 people venues would be the best choice. Plus a festival. It would suck if they bottled the band on stage, but I don't think that in a festival they would bring all the roses and gay stuff and they would dress a bit different.

Yes, I said they 'generally' (not definitive) request artists that fall into the categories that I listed, this is because these types of artists are often discussed about on Coachella and Lollapalooza forums (a majority of the users have an innate passion for hip indie bands). My point is further proven by the two artists who have self-confirmed themselves for the festival, Phoenix and The Flaming Lips, both bands fall into the categories I listed.

Also I never questioned the authenticity of the news, I merely believe that there are other better ways to approach the situation for both parties involved, with X doing smaller shows like I previously mentioned and Lollapalooza people going for bands that would result in greater reaction from the dominant percentage of the audience.

@Uliquorra - Beastie Boys are a very well established hip-hop act from 1980s. They were headliners last year but one of the members got cancer so they pulled out (I know this because I went to APW (another US festival) and they pulled out). Arcade Fire are indie rock group from Canada, they have in past years co-headlined festivals such as Leeds/Reading in 2007, very highly regarded by media outlets and by indie hipsters.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 07:34:04 PM
But what kind of popularity do they gain with small concerts? :S
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 07:38:05 PM
This lollapolooza festival, they might go down well there, since its bands like Muse & Radiohead, I don't know what kind of bands Beastie boys (recently reunited pop group?) & Arcade Fire are though.
Beastie Boys is (c Wikipedia) Hip hop, rap rock, alternative rock, rapcore, punk rock. You might know the song You Gotta Fight For Your Right (To Party). The festival itself is a alt. rock/hip hop/punk rock.

But what kind of popularity do they gain with small concerts? :S
I say they should start medium. Like TG said, around 5000 people venues.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 07:40:56 PM
I've known of the beastie boys existence for ages, I've just never listened to them so I wasn't sure what their genre was.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 12, 2010, 07:42:18 PM
But what kind of popularity do they gain with small concerts? :S

Exactly. If they are happy with the fans they have just now then by all means do small concerts. They might get some extra fans with small concerts but not enough to fill somewhere like MSG.

However, if they want to expand their audience to people who would not normally listen to Japanese music then they will have to do a festival or something that will give them exposure. The majority of people will not even be interested in listening so they have to try and change that attitude, things like festival appearances and TV/radio exposure will help them gain popularity.

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 12, 2010, 07:43:03 PM
I don't think Yoshiki would march off if he got bottled, he's probably more than used to it. Maybe you're forgetting X's early days, their gigs were notorious for stirring up aggression in the venues. I mean look at Toshi's old MC's - the kind of stuff he was saying to the crowds wasn't exactly pleasant.

I don't see how it could harm X Japan as a band any. It may not be a great experience and there are certainly going to be haters, probably lots of them, but if they want to have any appeal at all to a larger audience this is something they have to do. Playing small venue shows isn't going to do anything for their popularity, as they will only ever sell tickets to the original fanbase - which unfortunately isn't really very big out of Japan.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 07:47:40 PM
I do think to win over a U.S audience they will have to bring back a couple of old tracks like Blue Blood & Rose of Pain. I'm not saying change the whole setlist they have right now, but I think it would be very helpful to gain popularity with U.S rock and metal fans if they just have one or two more of their old songs added to their current setlist.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 07:52:26 PM
With the Akasaka setlist they win over any kind of audience, so, they don't really need to do lot of changes.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
Well I'm certain Yoshiki said they only played Blue Blood at Akasaka because it was a small venue (as if metal songs are only suited for small club houses, wtf?!?) every live after that they've not played it, I think they do need to change their setlist very slighty and bring it back, and maybe another old song.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 12, 2010, 08:02:39 PM
The only issue with Yoshiki re-releasing old songs is that they just sound really dated. Even for a late 80's recording all of the tracks on Blue Blood are both poorly recorded and mixed. Bands which record in people's sheds with limited equipment and a computer can achieve a higher recording quality in this day and age. A lot of X Japan's songs just don't stand the test of time in the way that a lot of others have. Even some of their post 1990 releases are a little flakey too, take Tears for example, those over compressed drums and piano just sound old school.

If they were going for a full re-record on the said songs, then maybe, but from the sounds of it Yoshiki is using the original masters for any alterations he's making.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 08:04:49 PM
I don't think Yoshiki would march off if he got bottled, he's probably more than used to it. Maybe you're forgetting X's early days, their gigs were notorious for stirring up aggression in the venues. I mean look at Toshi's old MC's - the kind of stuff he was saying to the crowds wasn't exactly pleasant.
Can you imagine him doing something like that again? I'm telling you, they aren't now what they were 20 or 30 years ago and they won't do the same things.

If no one sees them on a festival and they end up getting only negative results then that might be it for any outside-Asia concerts. They need to release new stuff, do publicity things (like that PV shooting in Hollywood), (God Almighty smite me for what I am about to say) even getting a song to show on MTV would help. Then start organising concerts and shows. There is no point in them playing a huge festival, when most of the people are watching the cooler bands.

Again, I'm not saying that playing at a festival is a totally bad idea, I'm saying that it needs to be thought through well.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 08:11:25 PM
The only issue with Yoshiki re-releasing old songs is that they just sound really dated. Even for a late 80's recording all of the tracks on Blue Blood are both poorly recorded and mixed. Bands which record in people's sheds with limited equipment and a computer can achieve a higher recording quality in this day and age. A lot of X Japan's songs just don't stand the test of time in the way that a lot of others have. Even some of their post 1990 releases are a little flakey too, take Tears for example, those over compressed drums and piano just sound old school.

If they were going for a full re-record on the said songs, then maybe, but from the sounds of it Yoshiki is using the original masters for any alterations he's making.

I don't know what you're talking about rerecordings for, I'm talking about which songs to play live, I think to help gain popularity with U.S rock/metal fans they should add Blue Blood to their current setlist, and all that requires is them playing it live like they did in akasaka Blitz-new years eve concert.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 12, 2010, 08:13:33 PM
I don't think Yoshiki would march off if he got bottled, he's probably more than used to it. Maybe you're forgetting X's early days, their gigs were notorious for stirring up aggression in the venues. I mean look at Toshi's old MC's - the kind of stuff he was saying to the crowds wasn't exactly pleasant.
Can you imagine him doing something like that again? I'm telling you, they aren't now what they were 20 or 30 years ago and they won't do the same things.

If no one sees them on a festival and they end up getting only negative results then that might be it for any outside-Asia concerts. They need to release new stuff, do publicity things (like that PV shooting in Hollywood), (God Almighty smite me for what I am about to say) even getting a song to show on MTV would help. Then start organising concerts and shows. There is no point in them playing a huge festival, when most of the people are watching the cooler bands.

Again, I'm not saying that playing at a festival is a totally bad idea, I'm saying that it needs to be thought through well.

Well he's going to have to deal with it, I don't think any band is particularly exempt from being bottled. X Japan will just be easy targets, much as the Japanese bands who Yoshiki got onto Taste of Chaos were - but I don't think they were particularly damaged as musical units for it.

It's obvious X Japan didn't re-unite to be a recording band. I mean look what have we got in 3 years: 2 new songs and a few live versions of a Yoshiki solo song. And I mean, Yoshiki's hardly even pushing the boat out on production values either, he synthesises all orchestral parts now and on Jade he hasn't even recorded himself drumming. X Japan are never going to release enough material to be taken seriously as a current recording artist, and Yoshiki clearly just wants to try and put his old hits in the shop window of the English speaking market.

Playing live shows is all they have to offer would-be fans, if they don't appear at some mainstream events they're not going to do ammount to anything outside of Japan, it's as simple as that. If they had played Bercy and MSG it would have been crippling for the band, it was a deluded opinion to think X Japan could sell enough seats to begin with. In some ways, flaking out of those shows for whatever reasons may have added to the longevity of the reunion.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 12, 2010, 08:14:42 PM
'Actually I wouldn't count on that.
I wouldn't be surprised if he started throwing bottles right back at the crowd, or if he sprayed them with a fire extinguisher. >D
Of course, if a bottle flew on stage and somehow didn't break, then Pata would drink it.'

Yes, I am sure, they would throwing bottles back and sprayed them... :D
Their beginnings were at festivals.
I also prefer them beginning with things like the gigs, but, we are all like protecting mothers of X, afraid someone would do their any harm  ;D

I suppose they know what they are doing, as long as all that will bring them to Europe sooner or later, it is ok for me. Can we do something to make them more known here in Europe? What could we do?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 12, 2010, 08:14:57 PM
The only issue with Yoshiki re-releasing old songs is that they just sound really dated. Even for a late 80's recording all of the tracks on Blue Blood are both poorly recorded and mixed. Bands which record in people's sheds with limited equipment and a computer can achieve a higher recording quality in this day and age. A lot of X Japan's songs just don't stand the test of time in the way that a lot of others have. Even some of their post 1990 releases are a little flakey too, take Tears for example, those over compressed drums and piano just sound old school.

If they were going for a full re-record on the said songs, then maybe, but from the sounds of it Yoshiki is using the original masters for any alterations he's making.

I don't know what you're talking about rerecordings for, I'm talking about which songs to play live, I think to help gain popularity with U.S rock/metal fans they should add Blue Blood to their current setlist, and all that requires is them playing it live like they did in akasaka Blitz-new years eve concert.
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The only issue with Yoshiki re-releasing old songs is that they just sound really dated. Even for a late 80's recording all of the tracks on Blue Blood are both poorly recorded and mixed. Bands which record in people's sheds with limited equipment and a computer can achieve a higher recording quality in this day and age. A lot of X Japan's songs just don't stand the test of time in the way that a lot of others have. Even some of their post 1990 releases are a little flakey too, take Tears for example, those over compressed drums and piano just sound old school.

If they were going for a full re-record on the said songs, then maybe, but from the sounds of it Yoshiki is using the original masters for any alterations he's making.

I don't know what you're talking about rerecordings for, I'm talking about which songs to play live, I think to help gain popularity with U.S rock/metal fans they should add Blue Blood to their current setlist, and all that requires is them playing it live like they did in akasaka Blitz-new years eve concert.

I wasn't directing it at you, I was just making a general point about a flaw which I see in Yoshiki's intent to release videos for old songs to try and introduce the world market to the band.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 08:17:15 PM
For me, the whole reunion and the idea of playing these medium sized venues and shows is to allow the fans outside of Japan to experience the band live, something that was un-imaginable a few years ago.  However, if we start to breakdown the long term outcomes/goals of the band such as gaining mainstream exposure in the west, then that is another totally different subject.

This might sound controversial, but I think if they want to make it big in America, they need to stick with songs that are similar to I.V. and JADE. ( I don't want to start the argument of what direction they should go) but if they really want to make a serious impact they surely can't release many songs in Japanese as a majority of people simply won't understand and if they revert back to their metal days then while it will impress the metal fans and us, it will detract from the dominant market which is the mainstream consumer. I think songs like Rusty Nail will leave a greater impact than songs like Vanishing Love. Once they've gained the attention of a few new fans, they will gradually increase their stock as people will then begin to listen to their discography.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 12, 2010, 08:25:25 PM
I do not understand one word of Japanese and though I love their Japanese songs, I prefer Toshi singing in Japanese. I have searched for the traduction of lyrics on internet to know the meaning of the songs, but that was after that I knew all the songs.
For me it is perfect that Japanese with here and there a few engrish in. I adore that.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 08:29:09 PM
Yes, but an average person doesn't :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 08:29:59 PM
if they revert back to their metal days then while it will impress the metal fans and us, it will detract from the dominant market which is the mainstream consumer.

I understand that Yoshiki would want to reach more than just the hardore heavy metal fans considering he has lots of different genres of music going on in X, however, 'the mainstream consumer' today in the U.S/UK today contains nothing more then fans of poser bands like Green Day or pop bands like Lady Ga Ga that put little thought & time into composition, and today's mainstream fans don't see that and they just gobble it all up, mostly because mainstream bands today do music videos for every song and try to look pretty in them which draws fangirl crowds, that's the mainstream market & the mainstream consumer in the U.S/UK right now.

I'm not saying Jade is a bad song, but if you're saying "this will get the mainstream consumer" then, just no, in my opinion, I don't want X-Japan to have today's Fallout Boy type fans that focus on "omg they're so hot" and then get 55 million views on youtube videos in one day, when they don't even care about the music they're listening to. X-Japan are not Fallout boy & they are not Lady Ga Ga, they're universes beyond, so keep those kind of fans away. I listen to some bands who have a few million fans, but in the grand scheme of things that's not that big compared to how big they should be, and I think those bands deserve far more fans, but I will never want them to turn to the 'mainstream crowd of today' to gain it.

But at the same time I'm not saying I just want them to be known to metal fans either, I do want them to gain fans who like the other genres of music as well, however you shouldn't say "they'll only get fans from the heavy metal consumers" as if that's a small thing, with great popularity in the metal genre you can get millions & millions of fans, I'm sure you know that already though.

Yoshiki still claims X is a heavy metal band, so therefore they will go to festivals like Lollapalooza/Reading/Glastonbury/Ozzfest ect. And I know what fans at these kinds of festivals are like, so while X-Japan still play X, Orgasm, kurenai & Weekend in their concerts, they will need another one or two old songs to get popularity in the U.S/UK with the kind of festivals I can garuntee Yoshiki will try and get into. I don't think songs like I.V and Drain will work.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 08:55:27 PM
I understand what you're saying and I agree, bands of other genres can acheive millions of fans. I too, do not want one of my favourite bands selling out like Green Day just to gain mainstream recognition with as you put it, "Fall Out Boy type fans". But unfortunately that is how it goes today for non-pop acts. It is rare that an artist can acheive considerable success without altering their style to match the expectations and tastes of the masses. It is a truly great shame because there are lots of really obscure musicians out there, who often or not are musically superior in my opinion to some of the artists that you see dominating the charts.

@Ann1958 - I too prefer songs in Japanese and I also do not understand. But I believe that the average music fan is not as open-minded as a lot of the people on this forum to appreciate the music. A lot will simply say no because of the language without even listening to the actual music.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 09:12:20 PM
Well I'd rather see them with the 20 million+ fans and great respectable music they have now, rather than them become tacky sellouts like Fallout Boy with 5 billion meaningless fans.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 12, 2010, 09:13:15 PM
But that Japanese is part of the music, the sound of that Japanese is also music.
I don 't understand that because the first thing you hear when you hear a song is the music. And after that comes the words.

Festival or gigs, I think that the people will go at least look what is happening when they will hear the fans screaming... ;D  But I still prefer gigs for them beginning.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 09:16:40 PM
The question here is- what does Yoshiki want? Without answering that, I think, it's pretty much meaningless for us to argue here. Maybe discuss and point out different possible scenarios, but nothing more.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 09:19:34 PM
When I was in College a year ago, my friends saw me listening to X-Japan, when they saw it was a japanese band/found out they sing in Japanese there reactions were "oh, really" in an interesting way, they never bashed the band and they seemed interested in the concept, I didn't ask them to listen to it however and because of that, and also the fact they all had busy lives and were concentrating on so many other bands at the time, they forgot about X and didn't find out any more about them.

But I can tell they didn't mind that it was in Japanese and they were interested in that idea, also the idea of Japanese and english songs together.

@Hypno, I know you didn't say this but I wasn't deciding what direction Yoshiki wants to go for him, I'm just analysing what he's done so far, and the fact that he still claims X is a metal band, and that they're now apparently going to this lollapalooza festival, it shows to me Yoshiki is trying to appeal to the U.S rock/metal crowd a lot, and from that I'm discussing what kind of setlist would work in the U.S for that, if this is what he's intending to do.

I have to say though, even though I have started understanding X-Japan's changes over the years a lot more now and I'm a lot happier with the band then I was before, if they start trying to sound like Green day/Fallout Boy to try and get to the mainstream market I will then bring out the sellout card, I will not be happy, and I think that will be the one desicion by X a lot of people here would not be happy with.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 09:21:57 PM
Well I'd rather see them with the 20 million+ fans and great respectable music they have now, rather than them become tacky sellouts like Fallout Boy with 5 billion meaningless fans.

Agreed.

PS - Leeds/Reading festival is mostly brit-pop/indie orientated with artists like Arctic Monkeys, Razorlight and Kings of Leon. Something like 'Download festival' in June features more metal bands.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 09:27:52 PM
Ah, that's what I meant, Download Festival, don't know why I forgot that, thanks TG, but yeah, Download Festival, Ozzfest ect. Those are the main kinds of festivals where the band will have to be careful with what they play.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 09:52:31 PM
Download Festival, really? Bands like 30 Seconds to Mars, Motorhead, HIM, etc. they're many kind of bands there, I think X would perfectly fit.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 09:54:23 PM
I'm sure that bands like Blind Guardian, Heaven & Hell turn up to download sometimes, and also, its all still metal so you have to remember all the ballads X have, would those fit there? Because that's what their current world tour set list is.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 10:02:18 PM
World Tour? What World Tour?

If they play in a festival, they will play like 7-8 songs and only one of them will be a ballad, most of the 'must play' are rock songs.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 12, 2010, 10:05:17 PM
World Tour? What World Tour?

If they play in a festival, they will play like 7-8 songs and only one of them will be a ballad, most of the 'must play' are rock songs.

Here's another interesting point, given how much of a break X Japan takes between every 3 or 4 songs and the small amount of stage time allocated at these festivals, can you really see Yoshiki playing an 8 song set without X Japan's usual pomp and ceremony?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 10:21:07 PM
X Japan Festival setlist:

Opening
Amethsyt
Prologue ~ World Anthem
X
Say Anything (S.E)

;)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 12, 2010, 10:26:04 PM
X Japan Festival setlist:

Opening
Amethsyt
Prologue ~ World Anthem
X
Say Anything (S.E)

;)

forget X there must be Yoshiki's drum&piano solo in there
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 12, 2010, 10:27:05 PM
At least there's no endless rain...

I can perfectly see Yoshiki playing an 8 song setlist, with just one ballad and in the middle it would be fine, did they stop at the countdown gig? i can't remember now
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 12, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Yup, the songs are just too damn long for a festival.

And another article with some extra pics of the spectators: http://labelnetworks.com/stories.php?id=511 (don't get started on their analysis about the whole visual kei thing, if you want to, make another topic please :P )
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 12, 2010, 10:36:44 PM
X Japan Festival setlist:

Opening
Amethsyt
Prologue ~ World Anthem
X
Say Anything (S.E)

;)

forget X there must be Yoshiki's drum&piano solo in there

Um, how about we don't get rid of one of the few old songs they actually play, especially since its like their anthem song.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on January 12, 2010, 10:38:06 PM
And maybe theyre most powerful number live.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 12, 2010, 10:43:04 PM
That article fails to acknowledge the existence of the other band members :(

Also the setlist was just a bit of fun and not to be taken seriously  ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: obi325 on January 12, 2010, 10:48:21 PM
That article fails to acknowledge the existence of the other band members :(

there are other band members? ithought it was yoshiki with hide and some other guys /joke
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 12, 2010, 11:45:15 PM
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b211/DefectivePhil/kan-1.jpg) ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on January 12, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
^ ahahahaha. Brilliant.  ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 13, 2010, 12:05:42 AM
HAHAHA NICE STUPID KANYE
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 13, 2010, 12:08:27 AM
XDDD, that's genious.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 13, 2010, 12:27:39 AM
Ahahaha, that was amazing. I think some wee came out!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 13, 2010, 12:29:49 AM
I can tell you one thing they would have to sing in English. people in the US will just get annoyed and lose interest. you don't have many non English bands playing festivals like that except dir en grey. look how we are with Spanish songs Americans in general hate having to listen to people speak in another language. you should see the looks me and my girl get when shes speaking spanish on the phone when were out. it would have to be targeted just for X fans.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Feudal on January 13, 2010, 12:46:15 AM
Don't know whether or not this person has heard of X Japan before but regardless, they've already stated on the official Lolla forums that they think X Japan would be the "worst poster that could play Lolla 2010"

http://www.lollapalooza.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=740073&mpage=7&key=&#756408

God I really hope Yoshiki doesn't decide to do this...there's so many better things that could be done with the time/money...=/
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 13, 2010, 12:57:23 AM
The thread also says Muse, RCHP, Nickelback and Lady Gaga with many more. There will always be haters, it's only one fucker.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 13, 2010, 01:09:49 AM
download fest would be perfect. X and metallica if they play there again. ozzfest would be to hardcore for them. at ozzfest X would be a cute furry kitty the ozzfest crowd would be a big scary dog biting there heads off. remember what happened to nickleback when they tried to play a metal festival.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 13, 2010, 01:12:13 AM
yoshiki is not gonna change his opinion for just a single person posting in a forum...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 13, 2010, 01:23:54 AM
in case you forgot or didnt know


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQzhOyHTarU[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 13, 2010, 01:35:06 AM
The Lolla crowd will consist mainly of:

indie noise hipsters - people who worship pitchfork media and their indie-favouring reviews. Usually ultra criticial of anything mainstream or not highly rated amongst their own circles. Often seen hanging around the small tents with the really unknown (but up and coming) musicians.

The casual day out fan - fans who are there just to drink, party and soak in the atmosphere. Usually they only recognise the really famous bands and just hang around DJ/hip hop tents until someone like Lady GaGa comes on the main stage.

Veterans - Locals who attend every Lollapalooza, they usually only arrive in the afternoon to catch 4 or 5 big acts.

Main Event fans - People who are there just to see the headliner, everything else is a bonus. A day ticket usually costs just a tiny bit more than a regular ticket for a big star like Jay-Z, so why not pay a tiny bit extra and see 4 bonus acts before Jay-Z's 90 minute performance.

Best case scenario: X Japan get an evening slot for the second stage, while the artist on the main stage is someone truly detested by a lot of fans, someone like Nickelback. All the casual fans would stay but everyone else would either get food, rest or see X Japan. Also hoping that the smaller stages have stopped for the night. Don't expect much reaction from the fans who are new to X Japan, they'll probably just stand still and clap at the end. But at least they got a lot of exposure and maybe some new fans!

Worst case scenario: X Japan get a headlining slot for second stage. They clash with Beastie Boys, Daft Punk or Muse. Meanwhile on the dance/hip hop stage, a massive hipster act like Animal Collective will lure all the hipsters and dance fans. Thus leaving X with a 2 hour set for a few hundred people (maybe less).
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ben on January 13, 2010, 02:00:51 AM
the exposure would be good, but they would be better off playing their own shows and presenting themselves as they are rather than trying to fit them into a mainstream festival schedule, most of which is full of the indie, hip music out there that sells, and hence the kind of people who listen to them.. they might like their look and appearance but not value the quality or depth of the music
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on January 13, 2010, 02:43:38 AM
Well I'd rather see them with the 20 million+ fans and great respectable music they have now, rather than them become tacky sellouts like Fallout Boy with 5 billion meaningless fans.


agreeeee
Agreed.

PS - Leeds/Reading festival is mostly brit-pop/indie orientated with artists like Arctic Monkeys, Razorlight and Kings of Leon. Something like 'Download festival' in June features more metal bands.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: xjokerx on January 13, 2010, 11:43:33 PM
I just read this article http://www.x-freaks.com/forum/index.php?topic=3745.msg68054;topicseen#msg68054
I think if the lolla event is true,Yoshiki will find difficulties to bring hide to play eh.


in case you forgot or didnt know


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQzhOyHTarU[/youtube]

that's scary and humiliating.

Futhermore,I won't take easily on news about them playing @lolla,since Yoshiki himself hasn't confirm the right schedule yet :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 14, 2010, 01:07:43 AM
i found this

♣  X JAPAN Filming in Hollywood

♦  musicJAPANplus
X JAPAN to Conquer the West as a Band of 6 and YOSHIKI Moved Deeply.
Just recently X JAPAN have been filming their footage for their 5 song videos totaling and amount of 500.000.000 Yen in expense, in Los Angeles, California, USA.

The stage was set to the 13th death anniversary of guitarist HIDE, with his guitar set up and YOSHIKI said [Today, HIDE has been with us the whole time.] As "6 members" of the band the filming had been taking place in the center of Hollywood, making a dream come true like that. [I am moved for the sake of TOSHI, as well as for HIDE. It is like a drama. Only the scenes and the measures are different.] YOSHIKI stated as the tears on his cheeks reflected a million different emotions.

The shoot, which took place from January 6th to the 14th, was made for the new song "Jade", which is also connected to the "revival of "Kurenai", somewhat of a new song in a wider perspective as well." These songs were followed by "Rusty Nail", "ENDLESS RAIN" and "I.V.".

YOSHIKI, who is an avid fan of Loas Angeles explained deeply moved: „In elementary school, when TOSHI and I founded our band, we played for the first time at the Chiba-Ken City Center. This has been such a long time, and now we are in Hollywood. There are certain aesthetics of the moment, as well as there are in the continuation of things." To perform in Hollywood had also been a dream of HIDE and YOSHIKI emphasized "X JAPAN are not 5 people, we are 6 now." And hot tears could be seen, spilling from his eyes.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: daisy on January 14, 2010, 02:57:45 AM
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/news/2010/01/12/01.html
I don't know about festivals' thing at all, but this says about Lollapalooza,
X JAPAN will perform on the main stage ラストから3番目 with the sponsor's offer.

ラストから3番目 is translated into English, the third from the last?
I'm not good at English :(
Anyway, ラストから3番目 means, X JAPAN will perform, and the next band will perform, and the last band will perform.
This article doesn't mention on which day X JAPAN will appearance.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: xjokerx on January 14, 2010, 04:14:03 AM
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/news/2010/01/12/01.html
I don't know about festivals' thing at all, but this says about Lollapalooza,
X JAPAN will perform on the main stage ラストから3番目 with the sponsor's offer.

ラストから3番目 is translated into English, the third from the last?
I'm not good at English :(
Anyway, ラストから3番目 means, X JAPAN will perform, and the next band will perform, and the last band will perform.
This article doesn't mention on which day X JAPAN will appearance.

I think we're all here already read this article,and according to google translate (I can't read Japanese,sorry),that X JAPAN is offered to play,means it's not yet confirmed.And as far as I know Yoshiki is still on negotiating state (maybe it also concern about hide's hologram/screenshot).
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: k on January 14, 2010, 05:43:26 AM
i'm new here. i might be later for this, but i was there at the shooting, it was amazing being there to see X "play" those songs right in front of us. As everyone knows, it was all pre-recorded, and as far as i remember there was no Loudness cover. Anyhow, i just wanted to share some video i took from the event. I noticed that on Jade there was some shredding going on, however i was not able to capture it :(. I was not able to record the songs fully, but the quality is great...ust don't mind my singing XD

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTHp9hhNjr8[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WJVfvEOao4[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzxzEllL2a8[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nblFllPK1A[/youtube]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 14, 2010, 06:48:51 AM
Welcome K, and thanks for posting these! It's great to be able to share even a little of the energy that must have been so intense there on the street.  ;D Love these.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 14, 2010, 11:55:33 AM
thats awesome k i wish i was there. and dont worry about the singing i doubt any of us can sound as perfect as Toshi.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Tanabata on January 14, 2010, 02:28:59 PM
hide died in 1998 so doesn't 2010 mean it's the 12 anniversary since his death?  I refer to "The stage was set to the 13th death anniversary of guitarist HIDE".  13 was also used in an article I read in regards to the memorial services being planned in Tokyo this year at Honganji.  Is my maths that bad?

Or, is this the Japanese style of counting?  I mean, the number of months of pregnancy is counted differently to the West.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 14, 2010, 02:55:44 PM
As I understood, the Japanese count the number of memorials a person has had, with the first one being the funeral. So if for us it's the 12th, for them it's the 13th.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Tanabata on January 14, 2010, 05:11:34 PM
Yes, Hypno.  I just answered my own question!  I'm reading the latest copy of "My Space from JP" (magazine) which has a feature article on hide (he's on the cover).  That pesky number 13 came up again along with the word 回忌 (anniversary of somebody's death).  Where the Japanese says the "3rd" or "7th" anniversary (for eg) the English is saying the "2nd" or "6th".  After all this time living here in Japan I didn't know that's how they counted.  Still so much to learn!

Thanks again.  I really appreciate people answering all my (obsure) questions.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: hyde26 on January 14, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
Here is a pretty good audio version of jade, for anyone who may not have found it yet. ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkBMcvdjLsI
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: xjokerx on January 15, 2010, 07:29:34 AM
I just found this article from X Boards http://fundyphotographics.blogspot.com/index.html#5082505093858476667 ,that says people who came at X JAPAN filming were actually photoshopped,idk I think it's just funny and sad at the same time if that's true.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: daisy on January 15, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
hide died in 1998 so doesn't 2010 mean it's the 12 anniversary since his death?  I refer to "The stage was set to the 13th death anniversary of guitarist HIDE".  13 was also used in an article I read in regards to the memorial services being planned in Tokyo this year at Honganji.  Is my maths that bad?

Or, is this the Japanese style of counting?  I mean, the number of months of pregnancy is counted differently to the West.

There are 2 ways of counting in Japan.
Japanese counts numbers, ages, and other things with the same way as yours generally.

But Japanese sometimes uses the other way, the way we count ages/years one more than the usual counting.
I often hear the way used related to the Buddhism memorial services after one's death in Japan.
And there are some important memorial years after one's death related to Buddhism.
(I don't know whether Buddhism in other countries has this memorial thing.)

The important memorial years are a little different on each area, or each Buddhism denomination in Japan,
but I think 3rd, 7th, 13th are very famous and common for Japanese Buddhists.

So, as Hide died on 1998, 2010 is the 13th anniversary year which is important in Japan.

And about hide memorial summit on 2008, they said it was on 10th anniversary year.
We count the years with the general way in this case,
because hide memorial summit had nothing to do with Buddhism.

By the way, I think it's nice that X members can attend the 13th memorial services for Hide as X members.
Hiroshi said the next will be 23th, but nobody knows whether X will be active at that time.
So it may be the only opportunity for them to attend Hide's important year's memorial services as X members.

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 15, 2010, 09:23:04 AM
Hmm this is interesting, I did think the 8,000 people claim was kinda BS, but then I did take into account that there were non fans and bystanders passing through. If they did shop the photos, I wonder why, was it at X's request? Or just the Japanese media wanting to put more of a spin on the event? Either way if some of the photos are doctored, I hope that they don't do it again because it could hurt them in the long run...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 15, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
i highly doubt yoshiki and X had anything to do with this. dont know who but doubt its X. prob one of the companys. whatever dont really matter to me. this will get straighted out soon hopefully. and does it really matter not to us. doubt it would effect any show they had in the US. weither its true or not X fans will still show.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 15, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
I just found this article from X Boards http://fundyphotographics.blogspot.com/index.html#5082505093858476667 ,that says people who came at X JAPAN filming were actually photoshopped,idk I think it's just funny and sad at the same time if that's true.

Oh good lord that's sad. >(
And when I looked closer, I saw more than one person who appartly had a twin somewhere in the crowd.
So far, I've seen 4 duplicated people (including the two the site already mentions).
That image isn't one of the images released by the official staff (as far as I know), since apparently it only appeared on the Barks website. So it's most probably their work.

The 8000 people does seem suspicious, but I'm pretty sure they counted all the people who passed by during the whole day (and stopped for a bit), not the number of people at any certain point in time, which makes the 8000 more realistic.


EDIT: Nope, it also appears on Natalie.mu, Oricon and Sanspo. So it's probably made by the staff on X's side. That doesn't mean it was ordered by Yoshiki though.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 15, 2010, 03:01:08 PM
If the order came from Yoshiki or not is beside the point, clearly some high level figure within X Japan's management has asked for this and as such we just have to accept what they've done. There is also some evidence floating around the net that Yoshiki paid for models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members.

It's quite simple really, if the X Japan brand is going to sell in America it needs to be displayed in the best light - too bad they've been figured out. I can almost hear the Lollapalooza negotiations breaking down now that this has been discovered.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 15, 2010, 03:33:01 PM
I can almost hear the Lollapalooza negotiations breaking down now that this has been discovered.
i doubt this will change anything if its true they wernt offered to play (if they were) because of the people at hollywood it was cause of there music. as far as models i know they were hired for the Jade video.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 15, 2010, 03:34:41 PM
Kind of getting annoyed at people going "omg Yoshiki would nevfer do this!" even though this is the exact kind of behavior he's shown in the past and is one of the reasons I don't like him personally.

He sells out all the time with his thousands of merchandise items like X-Japan curry for example, and the whole Yoshikitty thing recently, we saw that he payed models to go to the May Tokyo Dome shows (there were fans that were brought onto the stage who X apologised to because they came from the countries where they constantly cancelled shows and wasted everyones money, but I don't think it was those girls) to try and make it look as though lots of fans from America came to see them.

This is exactly the kind of stunt he would pull, however, I'm not completely pissed off at him for this, this move is kind of understandable, their first appearence needed to look big in order for them to get anywhere in the U.S. But I still don't really think he should've done this.

What have you guys ever seen from Yoshiki when he shows off/advertises himself and his X/Yoshiki products that *doesn't* make you think he would do this kind of thing?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Tanabata on January 15, 2010, 03:46:16 PM
Did Yoshiki really pay (western) models to attend the May Tokyo Dome concerts?  I did notice a lot of the western girls there were rather lovely and received some (camera) attention.  Well, I was there and the camera certainly didn't pay me any attention.  LOL!  Oh, and I definitely paid (a lot) for MY tickets!  Nothing from Yoshiki...:(
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: purplexpride on January 15, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
If the order came from Yoshiki or not is beside the point, clearly some high level figure within X Japan's management has asked for this and as such we just have to accept what they've done. There is also some evidence floating around the net that Yoshiki paid for models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members.

It's quite simple really, if the X Japan brand is going to sell in America it needs to be displayed in the best light - too bad they've been figured out. I can almost hear the Lollapalooza negotiations breaking down now that this has been discovered.

This is too much allegation! What the evidence ?! I have read many reports from people who intended to join and people who passed by the event. Nobody mentions anything about [I saw many /models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members./] Many fan clips are floating around Youtube, whom you think they are /models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members./ ?!

Please stop discredit the band when they are working hard. They have their point and attitude. Whatever they've done, these are just for advertisement. I don't think they will perform in LA with these no. of attendances. I think they had tested for American Market and now they've get some fact.

Yoshiki just wants to have live performance everywhere in the world as a performer spirit in his mind. In the other hand, he can't do it while thinking of the business. He is the president of Extasy Co. Ltd., but he can't make decision for all activities of X Japan. He can't know everything ! Don't picture Yoshiki can do verything in his business or his office. X Japan is under X Japan Management Committee, at least there are 5 companies under this name take care of X Japan. They take care every thing under X Japan brand.  
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: purplexpride on January 15, 2010, 03:49:07 PM
Did Yoshiki really pay (western) models to attend the May Tokyo Dome concerts?  I did notice a lot of the western girls there were rather lovely and received some (camera) attention.  Well, I was there and the camera certainly didn't pay me any attention.  LOL!  Oh, and I definitely paid (a lot) for MY tickets!  Nothing from Yoshiki...:(

They are models from h.NAOTO's fashion show for VUK. They got special tickets! Some are Yoshiki's friends or working with Yoshiki.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 15, 2010, 03:51:36 PM
If the order came from Yoshiki or not is beside the point, clearly some high level figure within X Japan's management has asked for this and as such we just have to accept what they've done. There is also some evidence floating around the net that Yoshiki paid for models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members.

It's quite simple really, if the X Japan brand is going to sell in America it needs to be displayed in the best light - too bad they've been figured out. I can almost hear the Lollapalooza negotiations breaking down now that this has been discovered.

This is too much allegation! What the evidence ?! I have read many reports from people who intended to join and people who passed by the event. Nobody mentions anything about [I saw many /models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members./] Many fan clips are floating around Youtube, whom you think they are /models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members./ ?!

Please stop discredit the band when they are working hard. They have their point and attitude. Whatever they've done, these are just for advertisement. I don't think they will perform in LA with these no. of the attendance. I think they had tested for American Market and now they've get some fact.

Yoshiki just wants to have live performance everywhere in the world as a performer spirit in his mind. In the other hand, he can't do it while thinking of the business. He is the president of Extasy Co. Ltd., but he can't make decision for all activities of X Japan. He can't know everything ! Don't picture Yoshiki can do very think in his business or his office. X Japan is under X Japan Management Committee, at least there are 5 companies under this name take care of X Japan. They take care every thing under X Japan brand.  

Look at the image, it's been doctored. Don't take your anger out on me, I couldn't care less if you're but-hurt about it.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 15, 2010, 03:58:30 PM
we also dont know if this was a X-hater who made the pics look at the vids there were alot of people there maybe not 8000 but alot. so take this however you want but who cares. don't change anything.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 15, 2010, 04:05:23 PM
we also dont know if this was a X-hater who made the pics look at the vids there were alot of people there maybe not 8000 but alot. so take this however you want but who cares. don't change anything.

What? The image came from X Japan's management, it was given to media Outlets such as Barks, Oricon, Sanspo. This has clearly been doctored by sources close to the band. When the Japanese media find out they are going to rip the band to shreds - the paparazzi over there are ruthless.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 15, 2010, 04:06:12 PM
Did Yoshiki really pay (western) models to attend the May Tokyo Dome concerts?  I did notice a lot of the western girls there were rather lovely and received some (camera) attention.  Well, I was there and the camera certainly didn't pay me any attention.  LOL!  Oh, and I definitely paid (a lot) for MY tickets!  Nothing from Yoshiki...:(

They are models from h.NAOTO's fashion show for VUK. They got special tickets! Some are Yoshiki's friends or working with Yoshiki.
Wow thanks for clearing that up. And to think I even believed that crap :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: purplexpride on January 15, 2010, 04:06:29 PM

Look at the image, it's been doctored. Don't take your anger out on me, I couldn't care less if you're but-hurt about it.

I don't say about the imaged of the crowd, but about you said the evidence Yoshiki paid for models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members. is the point!

Yes, you can careless.  I won't care who will understand, but I show my attitude.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 15, 2010, 04:08:41 PM

Look at the image, it's been doctored. Don't take your anger out on me, I couldn't care less if you're but-hurt about it.

I don't say about the imaged of the crowd, but about you said the evidence Yoshiki paid for models and beautiful people to attend the event posing as legitimate crowd members. is the point!

Yes, you can careless.  I won't care who will understand, but I show my attitude.

I think that when Lee Miller from The Other East investigated it during the March Dome shows he was certainly onto something.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: purplexpride on January 15, 2010, 04:19:55 PM


I think that when Lee Miller from The Other East investigated it during the March Dome shows he was certainly onto something.

This is an evidence for 'X Japan filming in Hollywood' ?!   

well... I think I'm enough. I don't like English community because it's not my native language and so different attitude. So, believe what make you feel comfortable with. Support X Japan when you feel they are worth. Don't just download everything from their hard working and then sit back and criticized them.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 15, 2010, 05:15:59 PM


I think that when Lee Miller from The Other East investigated it during the March Dome shows he was certainly onto something.

This is an evidence for 'X Japan filming in Hollywood' ?!   

well... I think I'm enough. I don't like English community because it's not my native language and so different attitude. So, believe what make you feel comfortable with. Support X Japan when you feel they are worth. Don't just download everything from their hard working and then sit back and criticized them.
you read my mind. since i came back on here after being off here for about 9 months. ive notice alot of X hating in here. alot of X shouldnt this And X shouldnt that or Yoshiki shouldnt this blah blah blah. Will this picture change how you feel about them? if your as much as die hard fans as you say you are this wont change nothing. you will still go to sell out there shows. buy shirts and cds. And every time they scream WE ARE you will still scream X. so why care it is what it is. you actully think other bands dont do this. i can almost garentee it they do.  yea it sucks major ass but thats life. i dont know. things we have no control of i try not to let bother me to much. kinda pointless.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on January 15, 2010, 05:27:17 PM
^ I agree, I will always stay an X fan no matter what, I've been a fan for too long to let something like this turn me against them. On the other hand I think it sucks because it might hurt their chances with non fans. You'd have to think from a new persons perspective, would you really give a band you've never heard before that put out doctored photos of their first debut in an other country a chance? I don't think that they would, and I don't think that I would either, they would just seem synthetic to me. I'm just upset because of this, and I want them to be successful over here, I really do. Long story short, I will always support X Japan no matter what, but am saddened by this dishonesty :'(
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on January 15, 2010, 05:28:53 PM
I do love X Japan, I love their music, I buy their CD's, I've been to their shows (I travelled to frickin' Japan for their 2008 re-union shows and went to all 3 dates).

I love this band and I love the music - but it doesn't mean I have act like a blind sheep and gloss over the fact that the band and its management are making shameful decisions. It's not going to change my view on the music or make me like X Japan less - but it's still stuff which I find uncomfortable to endorse and as such am entitled under free speach to vent my dissatisfaction about.

If you are going to criticise my fandom because I am upset and saddenned about the way the band is behaving then I can't really say I think much of you or your concept of fandom.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashemanu on January 15, 2010, 05:29:30 PM
Well, if it was the management itself (or someone close) who changed the picture AND then gave it to the press without noticing the obvious photoshopping, then they all deserve to get fired. I 100% agree that other bands are doing such a thing too - they just don´t get caught. If true this is damn embarassing imo.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: dethbylasercanon on January 15, 2010, 05:50:58 PM
I highly doubt Yoshiki paid models to be there. I sure didn't see any!
There was a nice mix of average people/metalheads/cosplayers/jrockers/japanese people.

Look at the videos from the crowd, you'll hear people singing along, shouting out the band members names, shouting names of songs (I kept shouting for Rose of Pain lol) fans telling nonfans the band's history ect. Stuff models prlly wouldn't do even if they were paid.

There were a few people who came by not knowing a thing about X and stuck around for a while and alot of passers by throughout the day. People starting gathering around 4 so maybe they just started counting people in the crowd+people passing from 4-till the time the band left (which was 9, I think)

So 8000 could be a plausible number, or they could just be rounding up from 7500 or somthing iono lol
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 15, 2010, 06:13:38 PM
ok first off did i ever say it was ok no i just stated that theres no reason to get all pissy over it. i guess many of you are not from the states cause crap like this is normal. rock/ metal is a dying genre over here. unless your some sold out band.(Daugherty nickleback rob tomas green day metallica) so trying to beef it up does not surprise me. everyone knows how big in to fashion Yoshiki is with VUK and everything. so models in the crowd doesn't surprise me at all. and of course there's gonna be tickets for friends that's a no brainer. there are always tickets for sponsors employees and business people or something. that is all normal and expected. its like that with sports too. yes it is not right and a band should never do that. but am i gonna let it ruin my day no.

what is starting to ruin my day is how much this forum has changed.
while everyone has been over here bitching and complaining about what X is doing wrong i post about six or more pictures of my daughter over the last week. mostly with hide and wearing my X necklace. has anyone cared just one. what happened to everyone. now say what you want but im a proud daddy and i want my pictures of her to be seen. especially by you guys. i hold you guys first in everything. i wasnt lying when i felt like we were all family here. and i was so proud to put those pics up for all you to see. but no one cared youd rather care about some stupid picture or complain about how ther new stuff sucks or yoshiki is so sold out. whatever

just something i had to get off my mind whats the point if i keep it inside. And no disrespect to you Hypno you have always had a kind word for me and my daughter and i thank you same goes for others a well that haven't been on here lately.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 15, 2010, 06:20:09 PM
I do love X Japan, I love their music, I buy their CD's, I've been to their shows (I travelled to frickin' Japan for their 2008 re-union shows and went to all 3 dates).

I love this band and I love the music - but it doesn't mean I have act like a blind sheep and gloss over the fact that the band and its management are making shameful decisions. It's not going to change my view on the music or make me like X Japan less - but it's still stuff which I find uncomfortable to endorse and as such am entitled under free speach to vent my dissatisfaction about.

If you are going to criticise my fandom because I am upset and saddenned about the way the band is behaving then I can't really say I think much of you or your concept of fandom.

Agreed.

The 'alleged' doctored photos doesn't in anyway influence my opinion of the band in terms of music ability or merit, they are simply one of my favourite bands ever. However, it greatly disappoints me that the management would even consider such shameless methods of promotion, although I am waiting for more to develop in this story to further my opinion on the matter.

On a related note, I personally don't agree with deifying musicians to the extent that they are infallible. Although a highly subjective matter, I can safely say that every single one of my favourite bands have their fair share of negatives and I will simply not ignore these to preserve the bands image.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: darkcat21 on January 15, 2010, 06:41:20 PM
I highly doubt Yoshiki paid models to be there. I sure didn't see any!
There was a nice mix of average people/metalheads/cosplayers/jrockers/japanese people.

Look at the videos from the crowd, you'll hear people singing along, shouting out the band members names, shouting names of songs (I kept shouting for Rose of Pain lol) fans telling nonfans the band's history ect. Stuff models prlly wouldn't do even if they were paid.

There were a few people who came by not knowing a thing about X and stuck around for a while and alot of passers by throughout the day. People starting gathering around 4 so maybe they just started counting people in the crowd+people passing from 4-till the time the band left (which was 9, I think)

So 8000 could be a plausible number, or they could just be rounding up from 7500 or somthing iono lol
The models thing was at the Tokyo Dome concerts of May 2009, not the Hollywood event =) At Tokyo Dome they did really put some nice chicks on front rows just to appear on TV, and they weren't from Violet UK.

And really Wearex316, i'm happy that you have a daughter and all, but that doesn't mean that I have to change any opinion or that I can't criticize the band. X Japan is and will be my favorite band ever and you don't know how much i've done to defend them sometimes, but we have to accept that they've been doing some bad things lately and photoshopping pictures is the last one. If only 1000 people went to the event, fine, it's perfect for an event that was announced few days before and in which they weren't performing live, even with 1000 people it's a success, but photoshopping crowd pictures because you invented that 8000 people were there, no, that's wrong.

And the pics come from YSK Entertainment, X Japan promoters in the US.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 15, 2010, 06:53:58 PM
The 8000 people must be the number of people who passed by during the whole shooting, not that there was 8000 people there at the same time.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 15, 2010, 09:37:07 PM
wow im so glad people read. if you read what i wrote you would see that i said the whole photoshop thing is WRONG and SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. not once did i say it was ok. try reading what i wrote. sorry but im starting to get pissed now.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on January 15, 2010, 11:42:08 PM
I do love X Japan, I love their music, I buy their CD's, I've been to their shows (I travelled to frickin' Japan for their 2008 re-union shows and went to all 3 dates).

I love this band and I love the music - but it doesn't mean I have act like a blind sheep and gloss over the fact that the band and its management are making shameful decisions. It's not going to change my view on the music or make me like X Japan less - but it's still stuff which I find uncomfortable to endorse and as such am entitled under free speach to vent my dissatisfaction about.

If you are going to criticise my fandom because I am upset and saddenned about the way the band is behaving then I can't really say I think much of you or your concept of fandom.

Agreed.

The 'alleged' doctored photos doesn't in anyway influence my opinion of the band in terms of music ability or merit, they are simply one of my favourite bands ever. However, it greatly disappoints me that the management would even consider such shameless methods of promotion, although I am waiting for more to develop in this story to further my opinion on the matter.

On a related note, I personally don't agree with deifying musicians to the extent that they are infallible. Although a highly subjective matter, I can safely say that every single one of my favourite bands have their fair share of negatives and I will simply not ignore these to preserve the bands image.

I completely agree with both TG and Beauty/Broken. The “photoshopped” picture does not in any way change my opinion on the music, it is disappointing on the side of the management/whoever is responsible that they felt the need to do it and it is quite embarrassing as it is their big american debut but it in no way changes my love of the band or their music. They are not the first band/artist/famous person to use photoshop and they won't be the last but I just don't know who thought it was a good idea in the first place as it just makes them look a bit silly, and yes it might not have anything to do with the members of the band themselves but as Ami earlier said earlier in the thread it is their name on the picture so it will reflect badly on them even if they weren't involved.

Plus, as TG said every band has negatives - there is no one perfect band (at least I haven’t found one that is without flaw) but just because you accept that doesn’t make you any less of a fan. I love X’s music and I totally respect the members of the band, but I don’t always agree with the choices they make or things they have done. X are only human, mistakes happen, bad decisions are sometimes made but their music is still awesome!


Also, maybe the 8000 people is the amount of people who signed up for the invite on the website?   
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Xfans? on January 15, 2010, 11:43:45 PM
Wearex316 your not wrong to stand up for the band. Your like the only person who is. You've got the name of this forum all wrong.

It's not X-freaks it's X/Yoshiki-haters.

@Ulquiorra : You have the classic metalhead ego. Metal is the best, Iron Maiden this Iron Maiden that. Yoshiki is stupid for what he did to us with the Dahlia album.Get it into you head X is not Iron Maiden. "I don't want Lady Gaga fans and Fall Out Boy fans liking X". Man who cares what you want people can like what ever music they like.

Who the heck is "Us" anyway. You probably only got into X 3 years ago and had no idea who they were in 1996 when the album came out.

I didn't want to direct this at you but on all the threads you just bash Yoshiki and anyone who doesn't agree, or doesn't understand Metal or whatever man.

I just stopped in to say weareX316 if you really don't like it round here just leave. It doesn't make you any less of an X fan. In fact spend your time listening to their music instead or reading pointless comments. Which I've now added too?

p.s. I used to be signed up to this forum in 06,07 and 08. It wasn't always like this. The X and Yoshiki hate.

The General idea in 06 was for any X fan if X reunited even for one concert they would be over the moon. It happens and those same fans complain. He didn't play 'Blue Bloood', "Nooooo".

And the photo who cares. Wah wah that blogger goes over and over about jrock photos like the Morrie one a few pages back just to get a few page hits aye.

I'm finished. The easy thing to do if you don't like my comment is attack my grammar. Thats always a good way to start a reply. Or ignore the comment.

We aren't are X
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on January 16, 2010, 12:35:52 AM
Xfans? there are no Yoshiki haters here. Some people (I'm not saying I'm one, but I'm not saying otherwise either) are just disappointed by some of the actions taken by X Japan's management and/or Yoshiki. It's never clear whether Yoshiki is behind those decisions or not, but since he is the head of the band, much of the anger gets directed to him. Some of the disappointment might be justified, a lot of it might not. But that's why this forum is for - open discussion. As you can read, a few pages back Ulquiorra changed his opinions on a few things (something I haven't seen in a while during an online argument). That means the discussion works and is justified.

I never want this forum to be all X Japan worshiping, ignoring all the mistakes they do forum, neither do I want it to become a place where people only bash the band for every little mistake they do. This is meant to be a place where people can find latest news, discuss their past, present and future activities in a constructive way - that means using valid arguments to back their thoughts.

Leaving the forum would be like running away from the problem - it won't make it go away. I have always believed in the possibility of constructive discussion, without the need to call anyone names or to insult anyone. As much as there are people, there are different opinions. If you truly don't like what is said in certain threads, you can just ignore those and have fun elsewhere in the forum. It's quite big you know :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: xjokerx on January 16, 2010, 12:59:25 AM
I agree with some people here,X/X JAPAN will always be my favorite band and it won't change my mind about them,but the thing about photoshopping crowds is really disappointing me.

The models thing was at the Tokyo Dome concerts of May 2009, not the Hollywood event =) At Tokyo Dome they did really put some nice chicks on front rows just to appear on TV, and they weren't from Violet UK.

I found this on http://www.theothereast.net/?p=1336 , though it wasn't Tokyo Dome Concerts May 2009,but it's interesting to know that X Japan management did hired models.

Quote
There's basically no time left, so this is why I am making this post here.

Is there anyone interested in attending the Dec. 31st X-Japan countdown live for free? My client needs 30 more non-japanese(including people who resemble japanese), to be a fan in the crowd of the X-Japan Countdown Live. You can receive a little guarantee at the end of the show, but it's a very small amount. But in any case, you can view the show for free. If you're interested, send me a PM, I won't discuss details here because this isn't a job listing forum, and I'm just putting this out in the open, for people interested in seeing X-Japan for free, and being able to receive a little cash for going.

It's at Akasaka Blitz on Dec. 31st, and you'll be required to stay until the end of the show, and your job is just to be a concert-goer, and enjoy yourself, that's it. You may or may not be filmed for the DVD. So if there are any X-Japan fans here living in Japan, in the Kanto region (or anyone willing to travel up there to see it - note your travel expense can't be covered if you're traveling from very far away, but if you love x-japan you can go see them for free ^^), then let me know! The trains run very very late this night so you will definitely be able to go home. And again, anyone you tell must not resemble Japanese in any way, and half-asians are allowed, only if they are girls. Sorry guys! ;/

Tell your friends!

http://ricoche.net/forums/showthread.php?p=86944 (http://ricoche.net/forums/showthread.php?p=86944)

I really just don't understand why they did it,did Yoshiki lack of self confidence,I mean Akasaka Blitz is a smaller venue than Tokyo Dome,and it is X we're talking about,why should they hire people to be there.Rather than wasting some money on people who don't even know X,they could just give free tickets to fans by holding some contest.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Net on January 16, 2010, 01:46:27 AM
Two picture from a fans perspective, by Frandango (http://twitter.com/Frandango):
(http://www.x-freaks.com/pics/HollywoodPV/frandango2.jpg)

Woot that's my X
;]
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: dethbylasercanon on January 16, 2010, 02:23:15 AM
I think the 30 non japanese people for the new years eve gig could be to introdouce X-Japan to foreign people, so that when X-Japan comes to foreign countries there'll be people who of heard of them. (If that makes any sense)


Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 16, 2010, 04:23:01 AM
I apologize if this comes off sounding terse. I am typing really fast because I have to get back to studying, but I wanted to say something.

#1: Nowhere on that post does it mention that 'the client' who needed the 30 people was X Japan. Many companies use large concerts and public events to promote themselves. They hire crowd walkers and 'profile' people to be seen with their logos.
#2: the end line regarding race, especially in an open call online like that, but even in an internal call, is something that any company with brains would know you can get your ass sued for.
#3: With their fame in Japan, and their wealth of pre-existent casting companies, (they have been at this for almost 30 years) do you REALLY think the band would have to advertise on line in a forum?! Yes the call may be legit for a smaller company calling for hirees, but I highly doubt it was posted by X or their agents.

I have spent a fair portion of my adult life on sets and in 'studio'. Buying beautiful people to seed a street crowd is not 'Yoshiki centric', nor is is some kind of hideous betrayal, anymore than a doctored photo by the agency/promoters/producers is. Both are common practice in the film industry. Many of the costumed people were paid to be in the interior night filming of the PV and simply hung around through the day for the rest of the shoot, most likely invited and well fed and partied. There is nothing unusual there. A head count would have been be taken for the glow sticks since they were to be given out to the first 1000 attendees. Because the streets weren't closed, some people walking by would have stopped to gawk, some will have chosen to stay, so it would be hard to take a proper head count and the crowd was constantly shifting. The shoot was many hours and few would have been comfortable to stand in one spot all that time. He or the producers post an open call for fans/extras, and Yoshiki gets faulted. If they/he had charged a fee, Yoshiki would be faulted. Frankly, I am glad he over looks the constant abuse from disgruntled and sometimes near postal 'fans' and remembers that there are real fans out there who actually appreciate his humanity and broad spectrum of talents.

As for the photo, IF the band was consulted at all, which may be unlikely, chances are they didn't blink about the change because doctoring photos is common practice in the film and publishing fields. What is sad about this particular photo is that it is so obvious. Someone on that blog said there had, in actuality, originally been camera cranes to the left of that shot, or at least nearby on the street. Most of us who have watched the videos have seen the camera cranes. They are not the prettiest things to look at and don't make for an aesthetic shot, so, photo editor erases cranes, clones crowd, et voila, pretty picture. If the photo was doctored to show a larger crowd for magazines exclusive to Japan, of course they would want to promote a larger crowd for their favourite sons. It would be confusing to see a small crowd attending an X promotion when the Japanese fans are used to seeing over 50,000 in attendance. So, changing the photo may very well have nothing to do with falsifying evidence and everything to do with simply making a good looking photo or it might be to ease the shock of reality for the Japanese fans who one doubts will travel to go to a Lollapalooza concert.

So, seeding the crowd was not some nefarious act to yet again betray the fans, it was simply business as usual, and every time someone pics up a magazine, 90% of all photographs are doctored to some degree. Instead of looking for reasons to hate someone, how about we start looking at everything that person has done to bring joy to our lives? Personally? I am not the one sitting on a fortune nor do I have an encyclopaedia worth of music sitting in faults in the US and Japan, so he must be doing something right. I wish him peace, health and happiness. 

ETA: DOH! Welcome to the newbies!! Sorry, you posted while I was typing.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Amethyst_Dahlia on January 16, 2010, 04:32:21 AM
@Faestian- THANK YOU! Couldn't have said it better myself, especially the last part. <3
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on January 16, 2010, 04:53:45 AM
we also dont know if this was a X-hater who made the pics look at the vids there were alot of people there maybe not 8000 but alot. so take this however you want but who cares. don't change anything.

What? The image came from X Japan's management, it was given to media Outlets such as Barks, Oricon, Sanspo. This has clearly been doctored by sources close to the band. When the Japanese media find out they are going to rip the band to shreds - the paparazzi over there are ruthless.

Oh no, and I was thinking, "Why would X-Japan/management docter a photo? To impress the people, make them think "Wow, look at how many fans they have." "
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on January 16, 2010, 07:45:51 AM
@Faestian well at least im not alone. could not have said it better myself. well done
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on January 16, 2010, 09:00:24 AM
Thank you Faestian! Well said. :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 16, 2010, 09:55:33 AM
@Ulquiorra : You have the classic metalhead ego. Metal is the best, Iron Maiden this Iron Maiden that. Yoshiki is stupid for what he did to us with the Dahlia album.Get it into you head X is not Iron Maiden. "I don't want Lady Gaga fans and Fall Out Boy fans liking X". Man who cares what you want people can like what ever music they like.

Well if you actually kept up with things and read my latest posts you'd know I've practically changed my entire opinion on that so you're talking about something which I mostly don't believe in anymore. There is one part of that I still have to stand by, "I don't want Lady Gaga fans and Fall Out Boy fans liking X". I'm sorry, I don't care if Lady ga Ga fans or Fallout Boy fans would like to see a band like X, I would rather not have X-Japan selling out and creating crap music like them (I'm *not* saying they do right now) and just look pretty on stage/music videos to get fans like those. I'm sorry if you feel like I'm telling those fans/the band what to think, I'm not, I'm highly suggesting it would be a very bad move to sellout and get those type of fallout boy fans and they should try and avoid it.

People have disagreed with me on a lot of things, but I think most of us (if not all) can agree that we don't want X-Japan to start jumping around, wanking the guitar strings like today's mainstream bands do, just so they can get popular with mainstream fans of bands like green Day & Fallout boy.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Tanabata on January 16, 2010, 02:41:13 PM
Did Yoshiki really pay (western) models to attend the May Tokyo Dome concerts?  I did notice a lot of the western girls there were rather lovely and received some (camera) attention.  Well, I was there and the camera certainly didn't pay me any attention.  LOL!  Oh, and I definitely paid (a lot) for MY tickets!  Nothing from Yoshiki...:(

They are models from h.NAOTO's fashion show for VUK. They got special tickets! Some are Yoshiki's friends or working with Yoshiki.

Oh, yeah.  The girls on stage were part of that.  I know.  I just meant regular girls in the crowd.  I mean, whether they're beautiful or not doesn't bother me (and whether or not Yoshiki arranged it or not doesn't bother me either).  What I meant was I just noticed a lot of nice looking (western) girls near the front of the stage at their concerts.  To be honest, I was thinking "How did those lucky girls get such good seats???"  I nearly killed myself to get tickets (I mean it...I had to book online, all in Japanese, at a particular time...stress!!!!). 

Anyway, good for those girls!  I just can't help but wonder how they scored such good seats.  :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: radicalblues on January 16, 2010, 08:22:25 PM
As for the photo, IF the band was consulted at all, which may be unlikely, chances are they didn't blink about the change because doctoring photos is common practice in the film and publishing fields. What is sad about this particular photo is that it is so obvious. Someone on that blog said there had, in actuality, originally been camera cranes to the left of that shot, or at least nearby on the street. Most of us who have watched the videos have seen the camera cranes. They are not the prettiest things to look at and don't make for an aesthetic shot, so, photo editor erases cranes, clones crowd, et voila, pretty picture. If the photo was doctored to show a larger crowd for magazines exclusive to Japan, of course they would want to promote a larger crowd for their favourite sons.

This.

I never made a big fuzz about the photoshops, just chuckled, because I've also worked for media before. The reasons for editing a photo can be from as simple as "I don't like this shadow" to an intricate and elaborate agenda-setting, in other words, manipulating people's view on certain event. It's just an everyday thing for me, so I'm just like "oh, they did that". Same thing with the speculation of hiring models/groupies for their presentations, these are all just show business tools, which I frankly don't give a crap about. What I give a crap about is on what they actually do with their music. As another guy above said, they can play after Lady Gaga, Green Day, use american strategies, I don't care. If you make awesome music like always, everything else will pale in comparison.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on January 16, 2010, 09:16:29 PM
 @ radicalblues: ;D Yup.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on January 16, 2010, 09:40:29 PM
As for the photo, IF the band was consulted at all, which may be unlikely, chances are they didn't blink about the change because doctoring photos is common practice in the film and publishing fields. What is sad about this particular photo is that it is so obvious. Someone on that blog said there had, in actuality, originally been camera cranes to the left of that shot, or at least nearby on the street. Most of us who have watched the videos have seen the camera cranes. They are not the prettiest things to look at and don't make for an aesthetic shot, so, photo editor erases cranes, clones crowd, et voila, pretty picture. If the photo was doctored to show a larger crowd for magazines exclusive to Japan, of course they would want to promote a larger crowd for their favourite sons.

This.

I never made a big fuzz about the photoshops, just chuckled, because I've also worked for media before. The reasons for editing a photo can be from as simple as "I don't like this shadow" to an intricate and elaborate agenda-setting, in other words, manipulating people's view on certain event. It's just an everyday thing for me, so I'm just like "oh, they did that". Same thing with the speculation of hiring models/groupies for their presentations, these are all just show business tools, which I frankly don't give a crap about. What I give a crap about is on what they actually do with their music. As another guy above said, they can play after Lady Gaga, Green Day, use american strategies, I don't care. If you make awesome music like always, everything else will pale in comparison.

Noone said anything about wether they play after Lady Gaga or green Day or not, I was talking however about wether X will copy their horrible style of music or not, in which case they would not be making awesome music like always.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: radicalblues on January 17, 2010, 04:45:31 AM
Oh, I can't give an opinion on that since I haven't heard either artist more than 10 seconds, and that was in a cellphone tone.

I crossed the cables in my mind thinking about the Lollapalooza, if they do play in there this year, they're probably gonna be "related" with bands such as Green Day. I want to make emphasis in that some people might not like that fact, but for me it's really unimportant, what matters is what you do on stage, not what happens outside of it. Just look at 1994-1997 X JAPAN, they were... quite a weird band... outside the stage. Really sporadic recordings (Dahlia was almost a single-collection), lots of cancellations, but everyone shut their mouths and drooled as soon as they saw them perform. That's what they need to do now, at the very least.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on January 17, 2010, 02:11:30 PM
For me the only important thing is: hell!!!!They are again doing things together and mayby, once in my life I could have the chance to see X Japan on stage live!!! Whenever they may come to Paris.
All the rest: not important for me, as long as they are able to perform and doing things together I am happy!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on January 17, 2010, 03:40:47 PM
For me the only important thing is: hell!!!!They are again doing things together and mayby, once in my life I could have the chance to see X Japan on stage live!!! Whenever they may come to Paris.
All the rest: not important for me, as long as they are able to perform and doing things together I am happy!

I agree, I think it will be really nice for people like yourself and many of these fans on this forum to have the opportunity to see them perform. The filming in Hollywood itself already states their intentions to do something this year, and hopefully it will culminate in some shows in the west :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: BizKiTRoAcH on January 20, 2010, 02:50:46 PM
I'm with Ann1958 :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Flippinklein on February 25, 2010, 11:44:28 AM
Just wanna say something both as industry and as a photographer.

Its pretty much the same thing.
PHOTO EDITING HAPPENS ON ALL PHOTOS THAT ARE PUBLISHED!
Holes in a crowd look bad, so they get filled in.
Makes the picture look better.

Also, every, EVERY single photo you have ever seen, in a mag, in the news, EVERYTHING, Has been shopped and edited to HELL. Stop complaining, it happens, nothing new.

And, there were quite alot of people who stopped there that night.
From up where I was standing, I saw the crowd grow, shrink, grow, shrink.
They most prob had people counting if anything.

It was extremly busy that night.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on March 12, 2010, 09:23:06 AM
Japanese Metal Supergroup "X Japan" Selects Talent From Wild Models, Inc. Talent Agency for New Music Video - Press release:

"HOLLYWOOD, CA, March 12, 2010 /24-7PressRelease/ -- The Japanese metal supergroup, X Japan, selected former Playmates, Barbara Moore and Irina Voronina of Wild Models, Inc. Talent Agency for a new music video."

[---]

"Both stunning blondes, Moore and Voronina each have extensive experience in modeling, television, and film.

Owner/CEO, Kurt Clements, of Wild Models, Inc. Talent Agency, had this to say of the decision to cast the former Playmates, "...we are so happy to provide Barbara Moore and Irina Voronina for X Japan's latest video, both Irina and Barbara are amazing and accomplished model/actresses and have contributed so much to the visibility of our agency and its reputation for providing professional talent.""



To view the whole press release, see here (http://media.einnews.com/247pr/131997) or here (http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press-release-rss/japanese-metal-supergroup-x-japan-selects-talent-from-wild-models-inc-talent-agency-for-new-music-video-131997.php)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on March 12, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
so X is gonna soot in Hollywood again i wonder when my girls there now.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on March 12, 2010, 01:29:33 PM
so X is gonna soot in Hollywood again i wonder when my girls there now.

I am not sure if the article refers to another new music video shoot or if it is actually referring to them being used in the Hollywood shoot in January? 

"Wild Models, Inc. Talent Agency provided talents and former Playmates, Irina Voronina and Barbara Moore, for the Japanese metal supergroup 'X Japan', during a music video shot in downtown Hollywood." from the link Hypno provided (http://media.einnews.com/247pr/131997).

This is written in past tense so it could refer to the January shoot rather than a new one and they have just got round to publishing the press release. I don't know though - that is just what I interpreted from it.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on March 12, 2010, 03:31:31 PM
I'd say it's about the shoots in January as well.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Faestian on March 12, 2010, 05:29:26 PM
Which means between glorious black eyeshadow and lipstick, not to mention frazzled black wigs, we won't recognize them anyway. Look to the boobs! Maybe that way we would be able to tell the difference between them. lol. Srsly: There were so many model/actors on that shoot, these were likely just two. I follow one young man on Twitter since his posts about being in the shoot. He was fun and vibrant, having a fantastic time, and his comments and photos were posted from the inside http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado (http://twitter.com/DaviAlvarado) Shots of him from that night were far more the lean, mean goth machine we expect from X, but like all models, he is a chameleon.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on March 31, 2010, 04:31:00 PM
http://2010.lollapalooza.com/?utm_campaign=2010_lineup&utm_content=20100331_lineuptease_o&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=update&utm_term=1

5th Down, 2nd across = MUST BE X JAPAN!!

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2z9mdsm.jpg)

Excuse my poor paintshop skills.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on March 31, 2010, 06:52:02 PM
^ LOL You are awesome!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashura Shadow on March 31, 2010, 11:19:28 PM
It MUST be X!  :D I mean, which other band's name could fit, really? xDDD (or maybe I want it to be X... >_>)
I wish they would just announce it already... I hate having to wait!  :-\
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on March 31, 2010, 11:53:39 PM
Naah, it's 'Y Spain' :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on April 01, 2010, 12:27:05 AM
^ How exciting, Y Spain! Been a fan of them longer than X  ;D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashura Shadow on April 01, 2010, 01:48:29 AM
Naah, it's 'Y Spain' :D
You know... I wondered for a split second if I had ever heard of a band called 'Y Spain'. xD
And now I can't help thinking that sometimes the name 'X Japan' can really sound stupid.   :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on April 01, 2010, 02:16:41 AM
The people over on the official Lollapalooza board have been working hard to figure the lineup out, and this is what they think the official lineup will look like:

(http://consequenceofsound.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/2010ky.png)

They've got a decent mid-tier slot and will probably get an hour in one of the afternoon slots :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wearex316 on April 01, 2010, 02:21:18 AM
have you seen the prices for tickets they are crazy no way can i afford. 180 for 3 day 800 for vip no way i can save that much not with lil Hailey JADE. La And NY i have a better chance at.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashura Shadow on April 01, 2010, 05:24:22 AM
Festival tickets are always very expensive, and that's why I rarely attend these kind of events... But if you see, let's say, 10 concerts in 3 days, and the 3-day ticket is 200 USD, then you only pay 20 dollars per concert, which isn't that expensive. Anyway, let's hope that the NY & LA tickets will be cheaper!  :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on April 01, 2010, 05:34:09 AM
If their predictions are right then X-Japan have put themselves right before Kasabian from what I can see, I don't follow current mainstream music at all, but aren't Kasabian like the most famous rock band currently out right now? If so isn't that a very risky position for X to be putting themselves in? There could be impatient people just waiting for Kasabian.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashura Shadow on April 01, 2010, 06:18:23 AM
^ so the order the names are put is the order in which the bands will play? I thought they just put it in random order... *confused*
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on April 01, 2010, 10:24:07 AM
It's not in order, Lollapalooza has two main stages and two smaller stages near the main ones (only one band playing per a pair of stages (main+secondary), so there won't be any clashes between the bands). The list more-or-less reflects how big/famous the bands are and you can guess from the bands postition when he's going to play, but there is no way to be sure before ~ June, when the official schedule is released.

And the ticket is not that expensive if you consider that X charged half that for only one of their concerts, but you can see tens of bands for that money. :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on April 01, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
Kasabian aren't that big in America compared to UK, but X Japan still have a fairly good spot in my opinion especially if the final act on that row is indeed AFI.

Lollapalooza isn't expensive at all for what you're getting. Based on the predictions, there are at least ten bands that I want to see and some of those acts (like X for example) charge a lot of money for their individual shows. X cost me $170 in Hong Kong and that was face value. Lollapalooza and other festivals are all about having an amazing weekend with lots of people, lots of bands and lots of fun.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ashura Shadow on April 01, 2010, 11:09:04 PM
It's not in order, Lollapalooza has two main stages and two smaller stages near the main ones (only one band playing per a pair of stages (main+secondary), so there won't be any clashes between the bands). The list more-or-less reflects how big/famous the bands are and you can guess from the bands postition when he's going to play, but there is no way to be sure before ~ June, when the official schedule is released.

Okay, thanks for clarifying that ^^
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: TG on April 02, 2010, 04:55:23 PM
They released the letter "I" today thus eliminating the possibility of it being "P Diddy" rather than "X Japan" :P
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on April 22, 2010, 11:03:51 AM
Just a little FYI regarding the Jade video.

According to Dean Karr's facebook the video editing is now completed and the finished version handed over to X Japan. To quote Dean "That's a wrap X Japan!!", he also stated it turned out to be "the longest job in history" and also expressed his gratitude to X Japan and Yoshiki for choosing to work with him.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on April 22, 2010, 02:07:01 PM
Haha I also read those messages on his facebook... made me grin... XD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on April 23, 2010, 02:29:18 AM
Oh hey thats great
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 11, 2010, 12:17:52 AM
21 pictures from the new Rusty Nail video!

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=16638&id=100000262959184 (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=16638&id=100000262959184)

EDIT: The pictures are also available on the website of the production company - http://www.bairdfilm.com/DESIGN/X_JAPAN_VID.html (http://www.bairdfilm.com/DESIGN/X_JAPAN_VID.html)

Everything you can expect from a contemporary X Japan video - fast cars, pretty ladies, lots of glass and metal. Looks kinda VUK-ish to me!


And a long overview of the PV with concept notes and tons of pictures and information:
http://www.bairdfilm.com/DESIGN/x_japan_final.html (http://www.bairdfilm.com/DESIGN/x_japan_final.html)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Roy on May 11, 2010, 12:43:32 AM
Hohoo, thanks Hypno! 8)
Though the facebook link didn't work (anymore?). Maybe she has set it private.

The second link was kinda interesting in many ways. Haha.
Especially that storyboard with reference pictures (GaGa XDDDDD).
Yoshiki's theme is kinda... ironic. All neckbraces and hospital stuff. :D

Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on May 11, 2010, 01:04:12 AM
Awesome, I can't wait to see it. Sounds like it's practically finished XD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 11, 2010, 01:30:00 AM
Tried fixing the FB link. If it still doesn't work, try looking for a user named Ekaterina Zenova, from Archangelsk, Russia :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on May 11, 2010, 01:48:48 AM
Thanks for the update Hypno! Looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: UVER on May 11, 2010, 02:25:08 AM
She seems to have set the album to private.  :( Anyone managed to save the pics ?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: SBrown7367 on May 11, 2010, 03:32:45 AM
Were these some of the pics on Facebook?

(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/th_Toshi_RosePainPV2.jpg) (http://s559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/?action=view&current=Toshi_RosePainPV2.jpg)

(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/th_Yoshiki_RosePainPV.jpg) (http://s559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/?action=view&current=Yoshiki_RosePainPV.jpg)

(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/th_Yoshiki_RosePainPV2.jpg) (http://s559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/?action=view&current=Yoshiki_RosePainPV2.jpg)

(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/th_Toshi_RosePainPV.jpg) (http://s559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/SBrown7367/?action=view&current=Toshi_RosePainPV.jpg)



Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: cherrybeary520x on May 11, 2010, 04:57:55 AM
oooooooooh, looks pretty awesome!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: denx on May 11, 2010, 06:34:54 AM
toshi picture looks veryi good
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 11, 2010, 07:25:27 AM
Were these some of the pics on Facebook?
Nope,  but these are from the new PV for sure! Some of the scenes are the same.

I can still access the album. Can you search for the profile (Ekaterina Zenova) and then try to access it from there?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Matthias on May 11, 2010, 07:50:12 AM
Wow, thanks  a lot for the link.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Maverick on May 11, 2010, 07:55:03 AM
The picture on the very right side besides 'Pata - the God of Darkness'... err isn't that Michael Jackson? @@;

Hypno: Talking of you description I rather thought of kinda this MV here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z5kdZld-JI LOL
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 11, 2010, 08:23:34 AM
Mav those are reference photos - the director (or whoever) uses them to express what he wants the scene to look like (more or less) without having to draw/build it himself (that is before the actual filming, when they are writing the script for the PV) :P

EDIT: The pictures are also available on the website of the production company - http://www.bairdfilm.com/DESIGN/X_JAPAN_VID.html (http://www.bairdfilm.com/DESIGN/X_JAPAN_VID.html)

In post - production. coming soon....
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Matthias on May 11, 2010, 11:45:01 AM
And again thanks for this link ;) can't wait to see the video.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: purplexpride on May 11, 2010, 01:02:20 PM
Thanks! Can't wait to see PATA as the God of Darkness and the new era of X Japan who care about eco! Yeah! Sugizo is a full member. He could add his idea to the PVs. He could be 'The purity of the nature.' Wow!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on May 11, 2010, 02:04:39 PM
The video looks like it's going to be slick, let's hope the song is properly re-recorded and not just English vocals slapped ontop of the old track, that'd be quite depressing XD
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 11, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
let's hope the song is properly re-recorded and not just English vocals slapped ontop of the old track, that'd be quite depressing XD
Plus it would mean that Sugizo wouldn't be in it. And I believe he has some serious potential for bringing the X songs to a whole new level (plus if he'd contribute with some new stuff it would mean that because X songs already have two guitar tracks, hide would still be in it, in a way - some wouldn't like it but some would).
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on May 11, 2010, 02:36:42 PM
Wait, we know for a fact that Rose of Pain was not recorded for a PV at Hollywood so why are those pictures called 'RosepainPV'? That is very misleading, it tricked me for a moment as well.

Edit: I left and then erased a comment in this post about how Yoshiki seems to be in the PV more than anyone else, which is what Hypo is responding to me about below, I erased that part of my post because I basically discovered what Hypno said, more of the notes show the roles in the PV are distrubuted faily between all the members.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 11, 2010, 02:56:59 PM
I have no idea who provided those pics you mentioned (the ones SBrown posted) so I can't really imagine who or why misnamed them. They are for Rusty Nail, I'm pretty sure (also, see the links to the official pages).

Secondly, yes, the pictures are all for one song and it even might be that Yoshiki appears more. But there is nothing to tell that by (the fact that SBrown just happened to post more Yoshiki pictures probably tells more of his/her preference than about the real video). If you read the concept notes (which, I admit, are just for the first half/maybe even first minute of the song), then you see that at least that part the roles are pretty well distributed. Except that Yoshiki is the first character shown. Which doesn't really bother me.

So all in all, there is nothing that implies Yoshiki being shown more than the others at this point in time. All we have right now are concept notes for probably less than half of the video and some pictures from probably about the same part. Though the video is in 'post-production' now, at least according to the website, so time will tell.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on May 11, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
Yoshiki the Emperor of Rock
Pata the God of Darkness
Sugizo Purity with Nature
ToshI .......still kept secret
Heath....still kept secret

Dying from curiousity to know for the rest and for the final PV!!!

Thanks for the links.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on May 11, 2010, 07:13:22 PM
Toshi should have a title just as powerful as Yoshiki's (this isn't an attack on Yoshiki post btw), as we all know, without him there is no X-Japan.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on May 11, 2010, 07:30:30 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXGMZ-xaPDo[/youtube] just came across this on youtube. I know its stuff we've already seen, but its good to see a little bit in pro quality :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Matthias on May 11, 2010, 07:57:30 PM
Thanks a lot, this video is new to me. :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on May 11, 2010, 08:34:36 PM
Using the last live for the Endless Rain & Rusty Nail playback was a terrible choice, Toshi's voice was horrible on the choruses of both songs of the last live, his top high pitch at that point sounded thin, whiny and he always made those 'ugh' sounds at the end of a line, '"fall on my heeaarrugghn'. And to top it all off they blasted that throughout miles of city probably, first time thousands of people heard his voice.

Anyway, thanks for the video, much appreciated.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Joker on May 11, 2010, 09:16:36 PM
Curious that the page says "Pata - God of Darkness" and the pictures shows Toshi.

And nobody noticed the "Luxury Life"? WTF?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: drivedrivebaby on May 11, 2010, 09:31:54 PM
Thanks muchly for the links, Hypno and LebendenToten.

Pata as the 'God of darkness'...initially that does not sit well with me, but hey, I'm all for having my perceptions challenged.

As to what Toshi and Heath will turn out to be... Toshi = Pimp Daddy Extrordinaire, and Heath...errrrr...strutting down a catwalk with a pomeranian on a leash???
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on May 11, 2010, 10:18:15 PM
http://www.bairdfilm.com/DESIGN/x_japan_final.html

Don't know what will Toshi and Heath will turn out to be, but I am very intriguated by what is written on that website  ;D

set 2: PATA - THE GOD OF DARKNESS

1.  Wide Shot - Dolly push in - Toshi is in a obscure LIVING


ROOM which is settled in the midst of a parking garage.  5


Women (Actual Models) surround Toshi at a couch in the center


of the clear room.  Two of them appear to be servers, three of


them are girlfriends.  Orchids rest on the table in tall glass vases.


2.  Medium / Wide Insert of girl as server, she pours some hot


tea.  She is wearing a hybrid between a maid outfit and a sexy


short dress.  Get CLOSE UP of steaming water being poured. 


3.  Medium Close up of server - Boom Down - She smiles at 


Toshi.  We see the background lift in the distance.


4.  Medium Shot - Reverse - Dolly In. Toshi is on an IPHONE


(needs to have video capability).  A video graphic displays on the


phone the X.


5.  INT CAR - The dash video displays the same video


graphics on the digital display. X LOGO.


6. INT CAR - One shot that demonstrates the car has self


intelligence.  Shifter moving, gas petal depressed.


7.  CLOSEUP - The car headlights illuminate.


8.  CLOSEUP - The car tire peels out.


9.  Medium Wide - Boom Down - In the background we see two


headlights appears down the ramp behind Toshi.  He stands to


his feet.


10.  A beautiful car pulls in front of the living room set.


11.  Closeup insert - Toshi picks up one of the Orchids from the


vase. 


1. Medium Wide.  Toshi hands it to a gorgeous girl in the crowd.


2.Her heart skips as Toshi kisses her cheek.   


13.  Medium Shot - Toshi jumps in his sports car and takes off


into the distance.


14.  Medium Shot - Get one HOOD MOUNT CANON 7D of Car


in Garage.


BLUE TYPE = POST FX


Shoot plate of car dash.

Shots 1-6. - 6-8 angles - 2-3 Passes using all small


cameras.  Exterior on the city street. (car mount


coverage)  We photograph the passage of lighting


moving through the interior to give a sense of high


speed movement.


7.  Medium Profile - Toshi checks the time, and we can


see he is getting concerned.   


8.  Overhead Boom Down.  All 3 scenarios.


9.  Profile Dolly Wide.  All 3 scenarios.


SUCCEED : Toshi passes through 12 black cars parked


outisde, gap in the middle. Speeds into the distance.


FAIL: Toshi tries to exit the parking garage, but there


are several black town cars (12) that are blocking the


exit.  Special Medium Profile,


10.  Toshi bangs his head on the steering wheel in


frustration.


11. RECOVER: Next to Toshiʼs car, Heath pulls up in the


motorcycle . 


12. Toshi jumps on the back of Heathʼs motorcycle. 


They leave his car in the traffic jam.

set 2: PATA - THE GOD OF DARKNESS
                     1. Wide dolly In - Sugizo stands at the rooftop edge of a


high rise building.  The building overlooks the entire city. 


2. Medium Wide - Dolly Circle Low Angle,


Sugizo dressed in a trench coat looks like the James


Bond of his time.  He ponders with nature as the


beautiful sunset turns into a deep dusky night.  He is


surrounded by birds that are perched on the floor and


building edge around him.


3.  Close up - Arc Frontal.


He looks to his watch, and notices a RED X blinking on


and off on his wrist. 


4.  Boom down, behind his back, Looking down at the


city below, he turns swiftly around and walks to the exit


to the street below.  The birds are startled and fly out to


the city.


5.  Medium Tracking - Shot from low at legs behind


Sugizo, tilt up as he hits the front doors opening in slow


motion.  This takes place at the front doors of the lobby. 


5.  WIDE FROM BRIDGE - Sugizo walks down to the


street and exits to where a black limo awaits him.  He is


greeted with his driver and the door is closed behind


him. 

SET 3. SUGIZO - PURITY WITH NATURE
    SNOWING?
     need an 18 inch riser for him
red rose petals scattered all over the floor. could be snowing.  big red flag / banners in the background blowing in the wind.
   cover this up
     more to come....
revised thumbnails of hospital and mechanical arm and neckbrace:
     work in progress...
       update on mechanics;
  door with a white gloss metalic finish
mechanical vibe wiht high gloss finish
 modeern props dressing refs / ideas:

And also thanks for link of that youtube video, is very beautiful shooting.
                 
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on May 11, 2010, 10:21:13 PM
The pics look awesome.The story seems very interesting too.Thanks.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on May 11, 2010, 10:22:20 PM
thanks by the photos and by the videos
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on May 12, 2010, 07:23:56 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXGMZ-xaPDo[/youtube]
Toshi's vocals on Jade are beautiful! From this part of those song, he English has gotten a lot clearer since the first performances of Jade. I can't wait till the studio version is released!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wick on May 12, 2010, 11:02:37 AM
I don't think a song like Endless Rain fits the set in which they are shooting. For now I'm still holding on to the "old" X JAPAN.
btw, is there anyone who likes the solo's of Sugizo?! X JAPAN  always had very well though of/ composed music, even the solo's, but now it's all whammy bar action..atleast for JADE and IV.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Joker on May 12, 2010, 11:22:57 AM
I don't think a song like Endless Rain fits the set in which they are shooting. For now I'm still holding on to the "old" X JAPAN.
btw, is there anyone who likes the solo's of Sugizo?! X JAPAN  always had very well though of/ composed music, even the solo's, but now it's all whammy bar action..atleast for JADE and IV.

I.V. doesn't even have a solo. But I think that all the whammy bar is Yoshiki's idea, AFAIK, no one of the members have any part on these songs. This is what I am missing on X, they acting like a band. Maybe if Yoshiki compose the songs and keep the guitar parts with Pata and Sugizo (as earlier he did with hide), maybe we would have better composed songs.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 12, 2010, 11:31:55 AM
I don't think a song like Endless Rain fits the set in which they are shooting. For now I'm still holding on to the "old" X JAPAN.
Well, I wouldn't be 100% sure they are even going to use the Hollywood crowd shots in the PV. It wouldn't fit into either Rusty Nail or Jade PV, as much as I know about them. So let's keep our fingers crossed :)

EDIT: The links are down right now, I'm looking into it (well, Asuka is :P ). If they don't come back online soon I might host the pictures somewhere else :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on May 12, 2010, 05:39:31 PM
Damned, the links are away  ;D  We must be fast with stuff appearing from X Japan   :D
Yesterday I saved the pictures, but not the page with the script in it, I was going to do that after work this evening...
There is still a piece of the script that I copied in this thread (forum) luckily  :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on May 12, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
I see that the pictures that I saved from the website are the same of the pictures Ekaterina Zenova saved on her facebookpage. (See link Hypno posted above in this thread)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on May 13, 2010, 02:19:02 AM
I don't think a song like Endless Rain fits the set in which they are shooting. For now I'm still holding on to the "old" X JAPAN.
btw, is there anyone who likes the solo's of Sugizo?! X JAPAN  always had very well though of/ composed music, even the solo's, but now it's all whammy bar action..atleast for JADE and IV.

I.V. doesn't even have a solo. But I think that all the whammy bar is Yoshiki's idea, AFAIK, no one of the members have any part on these songs. This is what I am missing on X, they acting like a band. Maybe if Yoshiki compose the songs and keep the guitar parts with Pata and Sugizo (as earlier he did with hide), maybe we would have better composed songs.
I.V. definitely didn't have any involvement from Sugizo as it was composed before they even invited him to play. As for Jade, I am not 100% either, but if Sugizo did have a say in the composition, surely we would have heard something about it?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 14, 2010, 01:13:34 PM
Ok since the pages were taken down for some reason (we are still trying to figure out why) I decided to reupload them (I only have the concept notes page saved so the other one just has the pictures from the PV):

http://www.x-freaks.com/rustynailpv/x_japan_final.html
http://www.x-freaks.com/rustynailpv/x_japan_vid.html
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on May 14, 2010, 01:18:45 PM
There is nothing on the links, just X Japan.com...
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Sander on May 14, 2010, 01:21:14 PM
It was a typo, fixed it already! Sorry ^___^
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on May 14, 2010, 01:23:15 PM
Links works now! Thank you!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: daisy on June 30, 2010, 01:03:21 PM
http://vimeo.com/12811012
That Rusty Nail's PV is great!!! I'm really looking forward to watching the finished one  :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on June 30, 2010, 01:39:06 PM
^ I found that this morning and I was surprised it wasn't shared before that seeing it's been uploaded for 7 days. But yes, it is great!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on June 30, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
I saw that aswell today but I'm confused why it's still useing the old track (you see sugizo but hear hide....) and why noone of X or their staff said something about it. @____@

I suppose they probably released that video on their own without checking things with them first....
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on June 30, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
I saw that aswell today but I'm confused why it's still useing the old track (you see sugizo but hear hide....)
I was wondering that too, perhaps it's just an unfinished version and they'll add the proper song to it later on.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on June 30, 2010, 02:17:39 PM
It is beautiful!
I think too it is an unfinished version, because Sugizo is wihtin it, It can not be they will release it with an old recorded track.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: X NUT on June 30, 2010, 02:37:35 PM
Rusty Nail PV - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JLN781XP

Credits to SOLID for uploading.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on June 30, 2010, 03:08:36 PM
Thanks for uploading!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on June 30, 2010, 03:57:36 PM
Thanks for uploading

does one doubt this is already the official video of Rusty Nail?
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on June 30, 2010, 05:01:26 PM
I doubt it's the  complete finished version yes,audio isn't in English and Pata and Heath aren't really in the story, this is just an uncompleted edit imo, and we'll see the proper one soon enough. :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on June 30, 2010, 05:04:04 PM
I also think thus Shane think soon should have another video
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: LebendenToten on June 30, 2010, 05:19:19 PM
So far I absolutely love the new PV, thanks for sharing! I'm sure they will pop a couple shots of hide playing the solo in there somewhere when its finished. I am really looking forward to the rest of the PVs now!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on June 30, 2010, 05:23:42 PM
For the PV shooting they hadn't finished recording any of the songs, so Jade was a demo and the live versions were being used as demos.

So the audio will be replaced with the new version.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Dark Shadow on June 30, 2010, 06:10:11 PM
They Really need to add the new audio.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Selaiah on June 30, 2010, 07:19:33 PM
I also think it's an unfinished version and it stops so abruptly. But I really like it so far. Thank you so much for the links.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on June 30, 2010, 08:06:43 PM
They Really need to add the new audio.

They really need to finish recording the new audio :P It could take years.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on June 30, 2010, 09:43:47 PM
Is the Rusty Nail Megaupload link "temporarily unavailable" for any particular reason, like too many people trying to download it, or is it in the process of being taken down?

Edit: Wait, just found out from the vimeo link earlier in the thread that its the last live version, so no english, and therefore I don't really care.

Seriously, why the hell release the American Music Video without the English version of the song? Makes no sense to me at all, especially since the song should be finished by now based on Yoshiki saying that album is going to be released within the next month or two.

Also, why the last live version!?! Toshi's voice imo sounds like shit during the choruses, this is a music video, just use the studio version.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on June 30, 2010, 09:55:41 PM
^ It's a leaked early version and I'm pretty sure it's unfinished so they'll most likely add the English track later on. :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ulquiorra on June 30, 2010, 10:00:40 PM
The video itself looks awesome, and Yoshiki kept his appearences in it at a respectable level, didn't really look like he was trying to make himself look bigger than everyone else in the pv.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on June 30, 2010, 10:19:09 PM
WAAAHHHHH!!! THAT'S AWESOME!!!! Can't wait till it's officially released onto a DVD!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: shane140 on June 30, 2010, 10:29:16 PM
I have a strong feeling that Yoshiki will announce the release date of the album at his party thing tomorrow, either that or at the expo in Paris. (hopefully it's all recorded now,or just finishing it up, and plus the fact they kinda need to get it out before Lollapalooza)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Beauty/Broken on June 30, 2010, 10:45:59 PM
I have a strong feeling that Yoshiki will announce the release date of the album at his party thing tomorrow, either that or at the expo in Paris. (hopefully it's all recorded now,or just finishing it up, and plus the fact they kinda need to get it out before Lollapalooza)

Based on what we've actually been told, I think it's safe to say that vocal recording has been largely completed - given that Toshi has been and missing public appearances and that has been the excuse given.

Guitar recording may not be at such a final stage, as Sugizo only recently linked up with the rest of the band in LA to begin recording. As for how long Pata and Heath have been in the studio is anyone's guess.

As for Yoshiki - it's hard to assume what stage drum recording has reached, given that due to his injuries he has been largely unable to play up until recently.

Post production and mixing is likely to take the longest period of time given Yoshiki's habits. In January all of the music videos were filmed along to live tracks (being used as demos) and the demo of Jade, which did not feature real drum recordings. Given that one of the videos has been leaked with the live track attached to it I think it's safe to say that post production has not been completed, and probably has yet to begin.
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on July 01, 2010, 07:11:16 AM
On watching closer, I like the fact that they again included hide's guitar on stage like in I.V.

This time, it's his heart one!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: ElefeX on July 01, 2010, 08:31:42 PM
On watching closer, I like the fact that they again included hide's guitar on stage like in I.V.

This time, it's his heart one!

Totally agree. I am glad there is no old footage of hide being used, I love his guitar on stage it is the perfect tribute – simple, poignant and respectful.

I wish Pata and Heath had been given some more time; hopefully they will have more time in the final cut. Although I do find it odd that this has been “leaked” I wonder if it is an unofficial leak to get some feedback?

Not really sure what I think of it at the moment, will be better to see it with the proper audio rather than the Dahlia tour audio. I do like the bit with Toshi driving the car though, it works quite well!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Ann1958 on July 14, 2010, 09:40:49 PM
Look at those pictures!!!

You can see Yoshiki as a Geisha  :D

From 2ch: http://hideyoshi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/geinin/1278862243/717

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Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: AsukaMiyu on July 14, 2010, 11:10:00 PM
Lovely!!!

Thanks a lot for posting those here, Ann.  :)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Wakyan* on July 15, 2010, 12:09:42 AM
Thanks Ann!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: rafaelo on July 15, 2010, 12:51:02 AM
Thanks Ann! srrsrs
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Forever Fades on July 15, 2010, 02:42:38 AM
I see you didn't even have the strength to add an "h" in front of all the address lines.

Thanks for that!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Jorge on July 15, 2010, 09:06:05 AM
Look at those pictures!!!

You can see Yoshiki as a Geisha  :D

From 2ch: http://hideyoshi.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/geinin/1278862243/717

http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238664.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238665.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238666.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238667.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238668.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238669.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238670.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238671.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238672.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238673.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238674.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238675.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238676.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238677.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238678.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238679.jpg
http://pic.2ch.at/s/20mai00238680.jpg



Awesome!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: roseofpain84 on July 15, 2010, 10:00:04 AM
D'awzzomfg....*fangirlish squeals*
Those were awesome!!
Thanks for posting them!!!!
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: mC on July 15, 2010, 10:23:05 AM
I see you didn't even have the strength to add an "h" in front of all the address lines.

Thanks for that!
It could also be looked at in the other way; you didn't have the strength like everyone else to do it yourself?  ;)
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: DopeHead on July 15, 2010, 10:47:36 AM
OMG Yoshiki with long hair! Now I´m really excited for these PVs :D
Title: Re: X Japan in Hollywood on January 9th
Post by: Flippinklein on July 24, 2010, 04:38:30 AM
They seem to be as wacky odd and strange as old X pvs were.

Im kinda happy, and at the same time amused, I wonder what they will put out :3