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The band => The Members => Yoshiki => Topic started by: Feudal on May 09, 2017, 02:51:21 PM
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Is anyone else who follows Yoshiki on Twitter getting the vibe that there's another impending postponement/delay coming up? He's getting very dramatic again about his "body breaking down" and "no matter what happens to my life, i'll be back". Hopefully this is just some dramatic attention grabbing but knowing their history, I'm preparing for the worst. I think I'm just going to remove myself from all things X Japan if they delay the album officially again. This is painful as a fan.
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Haha, that's just what I said when I saw those posts as well! :P
"Oh he's preparing his next delay/cancellation!"
By now I don't expect anything anymore though, so I don't really caaaaare~!
(I just want that We are X Bluray!!)
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Lol what a tool
Absolute joke
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My DVD is booked and paid. I'll have plenty of stuff to watch. We have no idea what really is happening behind the scenes, so I will refrain from judging. He said last year that his hand needs to be operated on. Probably he cannot delay that much longer. As much as he likes drama in an overdone way, we know that the issue with his tendons are real. If you ever had tendinitis, you probably know how goddam painful that thing is. My mom has similar neck-shoulder issues like Yoshiki by the way, of course not from drumming but extensive physical labour and her similar attitude in giving zero fcks about her health, and I can tell you that it is incredibly painful - and she is not the type to complain... So cut the guy some slack.
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Emergency Surgery on May 16th.
https://www.facebook.com/XplosionFanpage/posts/1493757510647785
I think that's the surgery that he was supposed to do two years after the first one back in 2009...
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Seriously, he had years to do it and now that the band seems to have kind of a new start, this happens...
Until we meet again """new""" album now I guess?
Of course, it's a good thing, I guess, for his health. We knew that, at some point, Y would have had to do something about it but still it's bugging.
Well, we're kind of used to it by now anyway. Get well soon anyway! I hope everything will go safe and well...
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He doesnt deserve any slack or benefit of the doubt at this point. That stopped YEARS ago. How long have we been waiting? How long has this thing been promised? Its been years. Its been the better part of a DECADE since I saw them and the album was announced before then. Think about that. Of course, I wish him the best and his (and any member's) health comes first, but his health should have ZERO impact on this project at this point. It should have been done years ago, and he has repeatedly lied about its status to fans time and time again. He even used Pata's health issues to excuse himself for failing to deliver the album. Accodring to the timeline given, there's no way Pata's health was the real reason it was scrapped. It also goes to show that we are over a year after and it has again turned to vaporware.
I dont think he has real drive or passion when it comes to the band. The reunion has been shambalic with how it has been run since the start. Late starts and extremely short shows, infrequent releases, countless delays with tours, cancelations, so many broken promises, etc. That doesnt mean the shows are bad for what they are. They put on good concerts for sure, but that is really it. X Japan really ceased to exist as a creative outlet decades ago. The new songs are mostly "meh", too. Half of them are pop ballads without guitar even. How is it that most of your "new" songs dont even feature half of the band? Why bring in Sugizo as am actual member and then waste his talent. Zero use of his violin on new material and only a few 15 second shred solos in 2 or 3 songs. Heath and Pata are there simply because they were part of the real deal bacl in the day but are shoved aside creatively. Toshi is the only one that has been great, he has delivered vocally. All in all, though, everything falls on Yoshiki's shoulders and only he is to blame for the band's failures. He chose that path by taking complete control, failing time and time again, focusing on miniscule and unimportant side projects (that have almost all failed), and has kept his massive ego unchecked. Why is he the only member featured on the cover of the band's documentary and sound track? Why does it seem like the others are not ever allowed to talk about the band? Why does he lie to his fan base constantly? The over dramatic pandering and lies all over social media has gotten insulting towards the die hard fans. His over dramatic bullshit caters to the dunbass casual fans that will lap up anything he says or does. Its pathetic
I dont dislike Yoshiki as a musician or even a person. I dont dislike as a band. On the contrary, I am a big fan, but the mismanaging to to megalomania on Yoshiki's end has lead this band into becoming a simple nostalgia parody. Big ovserseas gigs like Madison Square Garden and the O2 have only been to check bucket list points off of his agenda and to pander to his ego. Creatively, there just isnt anything there anymore.
A shame!
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Sorry for all the typos. On my phone
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He doesnt deserve any slack or benefit of the doubt at this point. That stopped YEARS ago. How long have we been waiting?
Seriously? Did you read the press release? "YOSHIKI has experienced symptoms including numbness and severe paralysis of the left hand and arm" You know what this means? It means that he could be paralyzed on one half of his body, that's really not fckin something light. He kept delaying this for work. He had a bunch of performances IN THIS CONDITION and you would have probably pissed your pants if you had to do that with hernia in your neck; plus a promotional tour of We Are X all over the globe, travelign in and out, which IS physically and mentally tiring.
I am seriously done with all this whining by "fans".The thing is, you know, that he owes you or me or anyone on this forum nothing at all. X Japan is a band, of which he is primary songwriter and he has the fuckin right to delay the album as long as he fuckin sees fit. Because its his music and his life. You should be happy he is still able to WALK at all, let alone compose.
No please continue whining about the new album from the comfort of your armchair.
Sorry guys for the swearing but I just cannot take this sht anymore. It's ridiculous that fans think the album should be put above Yoshiki's physical health. I don't care about the album. I don't want this band to lose its core, its main songwriter and heart. I want him to get better, to be able to continue with making music and tour around the world. I don't care about release dates!
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From viewing the results of the MRI and CT scans, the damage is so severe that it is apparent that he has experienced considerable pain while performing http://www.xplosion-online.com/?p=7257#.WRIcjOWLTIU
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Thanks for letting us know about Yoshiki's health situation.
Hopefully the surgery will be successful and he can get rid of the pain!
I can understand some fans are upset with all the postpones and cancellation or some white lies.
But I definitely think his health is the most important thing. As Teemeah said, he doesn't own us anything.
We are the one to choose to follow the band or not. I have been following them since 1989, I think I will just continent to do so as long as the band exists, no matter what. ;D
On the other side, we are all together in this forum to express our opinion or just vent a little bit.
There's no right or wrong as long as we keep our wording respectful. ;)
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Welp, it's true for what axlrose is saying (for the most part). Yoshiki has had a lot of time to work on his health, for surgery & recovery, but he chose not to. I, too, do not hate Yoshiki for who he is as a person, but I hate how we've been strung along by him for so many years with few results. Hell, ToshI released a handful of solo albums in the time span that X Japan has reunited! However, Teemeah is right as well, Yoshiki doesn't owe us shit & we don't owe him anything either. We're free to jump ship at any time we damn well please.
We've been saying it for years now that he should've gotten the surgery & shit, but still, there's no point in saying "I told you so". Why rub salt on the wound now? Yoshiki's getting crushed by his own hubris. Let him be for now.
Also, another link to an article
http://jrock247.com/2017/05/x-japans-yoshiki-to-undergo-emergency-surgery-in-l-a/
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He doesnt deserve any slack or benefit of the doubt at this point. That stopped YEARS ago. How long have we been waiting?
Seriously? Did you read the press release? "YOSHIKI has experienced symptoms including numbness and severe paralysis of the left hand and arm" You know what this means? It means that he could be paralyzed on one half of his body, that's really not fckin something light. He kept delaying this for work. He had a bunch of performances IN THIS CONDITION and you would have probably pissed your pants if you had to do that with hernia in your neck; plus a promotional tour of We Are X all over the globe, travelign in and out, which IS physically and mentally tiring.
I am seriously done with all this whining by "fans".The thing is, you know, that he owes you or me or anyone on this forum nothing at all. X Japan is a band, of which he is primary songwriter and he has the fuckin right to delay the album as long as he fuckin sees fit. Because its his music and his life. You should be happy he is still able to WALK at all, let alone compose.
No please continue whining about the new album from the comfort of your armchair.
Sorry guys for the swearing but I just cannot take this sht anymore. It's ridiculous that fans think the album should be put above Yoshiki's physical health. I don't care about the album. I don't want this band to lose its core, its main songwriter and heart. I want him to get better, to be able to continue with making music and tour around the world. I don't care about release dates!
Who the fuck are you to tell me what kind of fan I am? Didn't you say you just became a fan, like, a month ago?
Did you read what I wrote? Forgive me if you struggle with reading comprehension, but when did I ever say the album comes above his health? I said, of course his health is important. It comes first, in fact. However, at this stage in the game it should have ZERO to do with this "release". This record was promised essentially a DECADE ago. He has played several shows at high energy, can he just not do that in the studio magically now? You are right, he doesn't owe me anything nor do I owe him. However, this is a message board and as a fan, I have every right to voice my opinion. If a stupid Q and A tour was that demanding, he shouldn't have done it and focused on the album. If these things were that demanding like bullshit Golden Globe appearances, female X Japan tribute acts no one would give a fuck about, the nonexistent Violet UK project he said he was working on, fashion shows, endless products (gotta make that $$$), etc then he should have taken a step back and focused on his priority. This is work for him, he promised fans an album and continued to fail and lie (99% done fucking 5 years ago). He's a millionaire, one album isn't out of his reach. The only reason it isn't out is because he doesn't want it out. That would be fine, but he has repeatedly announced it. How embarrassing is that "X Day" video from 2 years ago now, eh? It is also shameful how he essentially blamed the last delay on Pata's health, when it was clear that the album wasn't completed by its deadline. Pata's parts were probably recorded well before that.
Truth be told, I don't really give a fuck about the album anymore, too much time has passed and aside from "Jade", I think the songs are just "ok". It does, however, but it absolutely astounds me that he has the the immense talent of not following through with his promises. If you want to question my interest in the band go back and read my post history, plenty of negative AND positive because I am not some mindless idiot and will call things how I see them. Don't you dare question me or my interest in this band. Its a fucking rock band and poor, darling, millionaire Yoshiki doesn't need you or me. I greatly enjoy his music and he seems like a nice enough, passionate individual. I don't know him, I just like him as an artist. I'd be thrilled to shake his hand and say "thanks!" for all the awesome music he has provided the world. However, I do not like how he treats his fans by continually lying about release dates and projects and failing to communicate what is happening behind the scenes regarding them. I don't have to agree with everything he chooses to do (or doesn't do).
His health issues are terrible, I wish him well and hope he gets them sorted out. They come first, but he always said he was planning on getting several procedures done around this time, its not this album isn't coming out because of them. Its not here because he either isn't that proud of the material, has been lazy to finish it, doesn't care, or just doesn't want it out... NOT because of his procedures or Pata's past issues. The way he has ran this band, in my opinion, has been terrible. Too bad Toshi doesn't even seem to have a say or a voice. Barely heard him or any of the other dudes talk in the past 10 years regarding the band.
EDIT- If his injuries are that severe I wouldn't hold any decision he makes against him. Hell, if he wants to retire and fold up the band, I would understand. My issues come from stringing fans along to this point. How many concerts have been canceled since 2007?
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This really blew up today while I was at work and started this thread. The statements here are quite extensive: http://www.yoshiki.net/YoshikiSurgery.html and interestingly, Yoshiki just tweeted that "We are NOT cancelling #XJAPAN shows as of now. #LostInTranslation" and what really is mind blowing is that finally it was confirmed that they WERE supposed to be starting a summer tour beginning in Los Angeles in North America. "...summer world tour that was to start in Los Angeles, are now undergoing rescheduling with his U.S. agency William Morris Endeavor." This is huge for those of us in North America; we may very well get a final attempt to see them over here. Frustration and anger aside, let's hope for the best.
I think the extent of Yoshiki's injuries should have been more transparent from the start. There's a lot that can be argued about the past 10, yes TEN years since they reunited. Remember, Yoshiki is in the driver's seat, HE chose to do the documentary, attend all sorts of events. Setting aside his injuries for a moment, his priorities were scattered and the album always got put on the back burner. I'm with axl on this one. I used to bleed X Japan, been a massive fan since late 2006 and I can't believe how bad of a state Yoshiki is in, I mean paralysis is fucking terrible if that's really what's happening....but 10 years this has gone on for; the priorities were not there. Should've been 1) Get physically better ASAP. 2) Finish album and release. 3) go on tours if physically capable.
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This really blew up today while I was at work and started this thread. The statements here are quite extensive: http://www.yoshiki.net/YoshikiSurgery.html and interestingly, Yoshiki just tweeted that "We are NOT cancelling #XJAPAN shows as of now. #LostInTranslation" and what really is mind blowing is that finally it was confirmed that they WERE supposed to be starting a summer tour beginning in Los Angeles in North America. "...summer world tour that was to start in Los Angeles, are now undergoing rescheduling with his U.S. agency William Morris Endeavor." This is huge for those of us in North America; we may very well get a final attempt to see them over here. Frustration and anger aside, let's hope for the best.
I think the extent of Yoshiki's injuries should have been more transparent from the start. There's a lot that can be argued about the past 10, yes TEN years since they reunited. Remember, Yoshiki is in the driver's seat, HE chose to do the documentary, attend all sorts of events. Setting aside his injuries for a moment, his priorities were scattered and the album always got put on the back burner. I'm with axl on this one. I used to bleed X Japan, been a massive fan since late 2006 and I can't believe how bad of a state Yoshiki is in, I mean paralysis is fucking terrible if that's really what's happening....but 10 years this has gone on for; the priorities were not there. Should've been 1) Get physically better ASAP. 2) Finish album and release. 3) go on tours if physically capable.
Well said
1. Health comes first. No if's and's or but's. He should get his shit sorted out.
2. Could have, should have, would have... the album has repeatedly become vaporware. No excuse, nothing puts something back the better part of a decade. If there was a will, there was a way. There wasn't a will.
3. I am still a fan. I would love to see them again, especially with a friend who became a fan after I went and saw them. I would also like to have a new album even if my excitement has died immensely. Criticism and frustration do not mean I dislike Yoshiki or his band
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I can I just say something real quick?
https://twitter.com/YoshikiOfficial/status/862089037825286144
We are NOT cancelling #XJAPAN shows as of now
KNOCK IT OFF YOSHIKI! GET YOUR SURGERY, REST & THEN FINISH ALL THE SHIT YOU STARTED BEFORE YOU BECOME ABSOLUTELY USELESS! fuck man. . .
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I mostly agree with Axl on this.
He complains about his health since 2009. He said on many interviews, and even on the movie that doctors already said that he should do the surgery, but he was always postponing because he wanted a "second or third opinion".
The band reunion showed how Yoshiki is totally unable to manage anything and how the needing of inflate his huge ego was bad for him. There is no excuse for the album to be not released yet.
For the last 15 years X is my favourite band. I made some debts to go to their concert in X and don't regret a penny. But Yoshiki's lack of focus made the so awaited X return and new album a huge clusterfuck.
I really hope he gets better, but I think this could be the definitive end of X. I hope not.
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They are not cancelling the shows, Yoshiki announced on his FB page. I really don't know how he plans to recover from an artificial disc implantation procedure in TWO FRIGGIN MONTHS. This guy is literally killing himself. I don't want that. Postpone the shows, heal properly. They gave enough time for Pata to recover after his surgery but he pushes himself to drum two months after implantation? Ahh seriously, I want to grab him and shake him. Dude, we want you ALIVE.
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Sorry guys for the swearing but I just cannot take this sht anymore. It's ridiculous that fans think the album should be put above Yoshiki's physical health. I don't care about the album. I don't want this band to lose its core, its main songwriter and heart. I want him to get better, to be able to continue with making music and tour around the world. I don't care about release dates!
No offense, but I can see you've been a fan for two months and dont know how it feels being told for almost ten years that album is "99% done". Some of us have been fans since way before the reunion, we remember how crazy it was to see them reuniting and how it all sounded so promising. Going now on hiatus because of a surgery wouldn't be a problem if at least meanwhile we had some album to listen to, some new live shows on DVD to watch and so on. It's been fucking 10 years, same time that went from Vanishing Vision release to the Last Song release.
As for the surgery, I hope he'll get better and kick off again, I believe they could play till their 60s so they still have 10 years to make up for these lost years.
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Why not get the surgery years ago? Its not like X Japan has been the huge, active touring and creative juggernaut. He doesnt even work that hard with X, they do an average of like 10 shows a year. Theyve often gone almost entire year-spans of zero activity.
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Why not get the surgery years ago? Its not like X Japan has been the huge, active touring and creative juggernaut. He doesnt even work that hard with X, they do an average of like 10 shows a year. Theyve often gone almost entire year-spans of zero activity.
YES THAT! -_-
About all the waiting and lying... I don't really care about the delays concerning the album but very well about all the cancellations, many of which happened with vague reasoning ever since 2008. I mean, people SPEND ACTUAL MONEY ON THAT! And how would you blame them for booking stuff that can't be refunded? Like.. "LOL it's your own fault if you're stupid enough to trust X!"
(Btw, for all the past events I only booked refundable or really late. So much about trust. It's non-existant by now.)
I could keep ranting and analysing everything concerning Yoshiki and the reunion now, but I'd basically have to write a book about it if I'd try to mention every little aspect of it. So I'll rather not even start going there. ::)
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AxlroseX pretty much said exactly what I and many are thinking.
Been a fan for over 20 years now ! (just recently acquired On the verge of Destruction on LD after waiting to that long haha!). Saw them at the MSG, was awesome. Very happy Toshi made staggering progress and.....that's about it.
As for the latest development re: Not cancelling show/activities... ..... BULLSHIT!
That as to be the stupidest thing he could have said. Cervical surgery (disc replacement no less) on a damaged individual (severely if we believe what's being vaguely told) takes time and rehab to heal. Moreover, his limitations/restrictions regarding strenuous activities akin to drumming will be most likely permanent. Forget about the whole cervical collar theatrics, this is the real deal.
He could, however, wrap up production on the album and while in convalescence/assessing his next steps work on releasing "new old" material! Easy money, release properly edited early shows etc.... he could still play piano, write awesome music ... but you know what ? Instead he'll probably promote a new line of underwear for kittens and sponsor some fashion show in a random country instead .. just ..because
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What is the most eye-opening for me, as mentioned earlier, is that in the span of the last 10 years that have been prioritized TERRIBLY, X released all of their major albums, toured extensively, basically rose, peaked and disbanded and went down as possibly the most epic band in Japanese history, and in the same amount of time POST-REUNION, accomplished under 10% of that. The reason it's even above 1% is because they finally toured outside of Japan.
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Just wanna say that it's total BS that they mentioned in passing a 2017 tour that was supposed to start in L.A. apparently.
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Just wanna say that it's total BS that they mentioned in passing a 2017 tour that was supposed to start in L.A. apparently.
Oh, absolutely. What convenient timing this emergency surgery is. He has been alluding to a major operation for years, he knew he had to get medical work done. Now the long fabled "Album and World Tour" is casually mentioned in passing with a start date in LA? Bullshit, there is/was no LA date, album, or tour release actually planned for this summer. The dude just craves attention and drama and has an allergy to actual hard work.
It is also absolutely disrespectful to not just cancel the announced dates. Yeah, having another bunch of canceled dates is already pathetic enough, but at this point give ticket holders time to get refunds for travel and vacation time. To pretend like he is going to play these shows and then to cancel them last minute to make it look like he was intending on doing them to look "strong" just fucks fans over.
You fucked up, Yoshiki, the train left the station. Might as well just give up this year and take the time on your health. The band's word is already dragged through the gutter
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Oh, absolutely. What convenient timing this emergency surgery is. He has been alluding to a major operation for years, he knew he had to get medical work done. Now the long fabled "Album and World Tour" is casually mentioned in passing with a start date in LA? Bullshit, there is/was no LA date, album, or tour release actually planned for this summer.
Exactly. I had to re-read the official statement & start digging through his Twitter just to make sure I didn't miss out what could've been a tour announcement. Still came up with nothing to support his claim or whatever. I even told my friend about it on Facebook & she thinks that it's stupid that they're even mentioning it now (the tour).
You fucked up, Yoshiki, the train left the station. Might as well just give up this year and take the time on your health. The band's word is already dragged through the gutter
I have to agree with you once again. This year (or what remains of it) should be dedicated to surgery & recovery, maybe planning or doing stuff that matters (but isn't taxing on his neck or arm). Other than that, *yawn* I knew we weren't getting shit this year anyways.
Also, I know I've been cussing alot. plz no ban me Admins m(_ _)m
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I agree with what has been said.
What pisses me also is that, yes he knew for years he has to do something but not so long ago, just before the Pata situation Yoshiki said something almost as alarming as the press release of 2 days ago: something about feeling numbess, not able to move his band (EDIT: I meant "hand" but the error is really funny considering X Japan actions at that time xD) and so on...
And at that time, we were really concerned and worried and hoped for him to do the surgery right now because if not the risk of him not being able to play music ever again was high. Who cared about the releases (which were not happening anyway)?
But he didn't do it. Then the Pata situation postponed everything for a whole years (and, guess what, Pata did take care of himself and he seems fine now). Y still didn't do a thing.
So, I guess that self destructive vibe he has is also part of who he is but because of that kind of attitude, we are just numb to that sort of news anyway... Well, we do care about him (I do anyway) and it's a worrying situation but the whole situation and the way it was dealt with from day one is just terrible. A terrible mess.
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I just looked on setlis.fm out of curiosity for a refresher on their activity. There wasn't a single show for 2011-2014. They went a most 3 years with doing noting. Wow
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I just looked on setlis.fm out of curiosity for a refresher on their activity. There wasn't a single show for 2011-2014. They went a most 3 years with doing noting. Wow
You may want to look for other sources.... In 2011 they had a show in London, Paris, Utrecht, Berlin, two shows at Summer Sonic festival in Japan, a South Americna tour with 5 shows, an Asia tour with 5 stops, in 2014 they had two shows at Yokohama Arena, they had Madison Square Garden in 2014 and they had a televised performance on Music Station Super Live. I wouldn't exactly say they were "doing nothing".
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I just looked on setlis.fm out of curiosity for a refresher on their activity. There wasn't a single show for 2011-2014. They went a most 3 years with doing noting. Wow
You may want to look for other sources.... In 2011 they had a show in London, Paris, Utrecht, Berlin, two shows at Summer Sonic festival in Japan, a South Americna tour with 5 shows, an Asia tour with 5 stops, in 2014 they had two shows at Yokohama Arena, they had Madison Square Garden in 2014 and they had a televised performance on Music Station Super Live. I wouldn't exactly say they were "doing nothing".
I phrased it poorly, I meant in between as in 2012 and 2013. Minimum activity. My point stands.
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I just looked on setlis.fm out of curiosity for a refresher on their activity. There wasn't a single show for 2011-2014. They went a most 3 years with doing noting. Wow
You may want to look for other sources.... In 2011 they had a show in London, Paris, Utrecht, Berlin, two shows at Summer Sonic festival in Japan, a South Americna tour with 5 shows, an Asia tour with 5 stops, in 2014 they had two shows at Yokohama Arena, they had Madison Square Garden in 2014 and they had a televised performance on Music Station Super Live. I wouldn't exactly say they were "doing nothing".
He means since the end of the 2011 tour until October 2014, they did nothing. Not a single release, not a single concert.
2011 was their most active year since the return, and they did about 15 concerts. Nothing on 2012, nothing on 2013, and even on other years, like 2008, 2009, 2016, there were like 3 or 4 concerts IN A WHOLE YEAR.
Yoshiki just kept his health aside to appear on those shitty events who don't nothing but inflate his ego.
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This may sound a bit harsh but my only wish now is for Yoshiki to just announce that the album is never going to drop and just end the band. Do one last tour or show at the Tokyo Dome or something, go out with one last bang and just put the band to rest instead of dragging this half-dead corpse around. X Japan is nothing more than a tribute/nostalgia act at this point clinging on the successes they made more than 20 years ago, instead of trying to build a brand new platform for themselves and aim for the future. I understand the band probably had huge plans around the time of their reformation but it's been clear for the past few years that Yoshiki's hubris has already steered the band into a trainwreck that has barely any hope of making it out. There's only so many times that you can say "the album is 99% done".
In regards to his upcoming surgery, I wish him the best and a speedy recovery.
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This may sound a bit harsh but my only wish now is for Yoshiki to just announce that the album is never going to drop and just end the band. Do one last tour or show at the Tokyo Dome or something, go out with one last bang and just put the band to rest instead of dragging this half-dead corpse around. X Japan is nothing more than a tribute/nostalgia act at this point clinging on the successes they made more than 20 years ago, instead of trying to build a brand new platform for themselves and aim for the future. I understand the band probably had huge plans around the time of their reformation but it's been clear for the past few years that Yoshiki's hubris has already steered the band into a trainwreck that has barely any hope of making it out. There's only so many times that you can say "the album is 99% done".
In regards to his upcoming surgery, I wish him the best and a speedy recovery.
I don't think it's harsh. I think it's realistic. We boo because we want to cheer, and Yoshiki has proven time, time, and time again that the album is not a priority. Every time I read a quote about it now, all I do is roll my eyes. Yoshiki is a brilliant musician, and in his younger days he was a powerful force to be reckoned with when it came to achieving goals. I think he lost that fire, and that's totally fine. He's enjoyed an insane career and he's getting older. I totally respect the notion that this dude's health is deteriorating and it's time for him to rest.
BUT STOP LYING TO US. It's been YEARS. And every time he says "we're 99% done," it makes me automatically assume "whelp, maybe next year." Because every time we hear something that isn't a concrete date for something, it means it isn't happening. Dude, just be straight with us. We love you and your work. Just stop lying to drive up hype for no reason. It makes you look bad and us feel like idiots for getting excited over nothing.
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This may sound a bit harsh but my only wish now is for Yoshiki to just announce that the album is never going to drop and just end the band. Do one last tour or show at the Tokyo Dome or something, go out with one last bang and just put the band to rest instead of dragging this half-dead corpse around. X Japan is nothing more than a tribute/nostalgia act at this point clinging on the successes they made more than 20 years ago, instead of trying to build a brand new platform for themselves and aim for the future. I understand the band probably had huge plans around the time of their reformation but it's been clear for the past few years that Yoshiki's hubris has already steered the band into a trainwreck that has barely any hope of making it out. There's only so many times that you can say "the album is 99% done".
That's how I've been feeling for a couple of years now... -__-
But it seems more and more like the best thing to do. How sad.
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This may sound a bit harsh but my only wish now is for Yoshiki to just announce that the album is never going to drop and just end the band. Do one last tour or show at the Tokyo Dome or something, go out with one last bang and just put the band to rest instead of dragging this half-dead corpse around. X Japan is nothing more than a tribute/nostalgia act at this point clinging on the successes they made more than 20 years ago, instead of trying to build a brand new platform for themselves and aim for the future. I understand the band probably had huge plans around the time of their reformation but it's been clear for the past few years that Yoshiki's hubris has already steered the band into a trainwreck that has barely any hope of making it out. There's only so many times that you can say "the album is 99% done".
In regards to his upcoming surgery, I wish him the best and a speedy recovery.
I don't think it's harsh. I think it's realistic. We boo because we want to cheer, and Yoshiki has proven time, time, and time again that the album is not a priority. Every time I read a quote about it now, all I do is roll my eyes. Yoshiki is a brilliant musician, and in his younger days he was a powerful force to be reckoned with when it came to achieving goals. I think he lost that fire, and that's totally fine. He's enjoyed an insane career and he's getting older. I totally respect the notion that this dude's health is deteriorating and it's time for him to rest.
BUT STOP LYING TO US. It's been YEARS. And every time he says "we're 99% done," it makes me automatically assume "whelp, maybe next year." Because every time we hear something that isn't a concrete date for something, it means it isn't happening. Dude, just be straight with us. We love you and your work. Just stop lying to drive up hype for no reason. It makes you look bad and us feel like idiots for getting excited over nothing.
Go read comments at Yoshiki's Facebook page, most fans think he's doing a great job.
That's the real problem.
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If the decision came down to the band going their separate ways again, a part of me (obviously) doesn't want them to because of so much time wasted on doing nothing. I'd want them to do something incredible to make the huge time gap worthwhile, y'know? On the other hand, maybe it is time that they threw in the towel. At the point, I don't think it would hurt me if they decided to drop out. Being lied to for so long has had an oddly numbing affect on me now.
Either that or these mood stabilizers are still working damn well.
Heck, maybe if the remaining members still want play, do what every other of my favorite bands are doing/have done: Go on without that one person in the group & call it something else (i.e. Versailles lost Kamijo for a bit, so they got someone else on vocals & called the band Jupiter. Another example would be the remaining members of No Doubt had the singer from AFI join their band & they're calling it Dreamcar)
I gotta say that I'm way more hyped for Dreamcar than X Japan right now. I see far more promise with these guys than X & they've been established for less longer, hah. Apparently New Wave music is/has made a comeback.
EDIT: Oh yes, the fangirls. The ass kissing fangirls. . . They can piss off.
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Use the album as a parting gift and break up the band. FFS.
Why do I still care? Why?
*headdesk*
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See, I don't even think being a cash grabbing, nostalgia act is necessarily a bad thing but it depends how things are handled. The fact that a new material has been promised, new songs have been performed and take up a large portion of each setlist (with no studio versions of many of these songs), and many shows have been canceled and postponed over the years just shows why this has been so poorly handled.
It also bothers me how every other member, even Toshi, seem to have gag orders. None ever really speak about the band or give interviews about the band. The few occasions when they do interview together, they all seem pretty uncomfortable. It shows Yoshiki has complete control. Being a leader isn't a necessarily a bad thing, but when your ego is so massive, it is damaging. I remember years ago I made a thread bitching about Yoshiki's behavior regarding the band and [lack of] album. Here we are years later and nothing has changed. At least hold a press conference or post a letter on social media to fans explaining the delays or cancellation of the record. I remember years ago Yoshiki announced a huge press conference and everyone was sure it was the new album. Instead, he delayed it because he missed a flight and it ended up being for his wax sculpture. Absolutely unbelievable and just really shows you where his head is at.
I still see small flashes of greatness in X Japan. They've had some really good shows since 2007 for sure. I think Jade is a great song and stacks up well with their old material, but other than that, I think the new material is disappointingly hit and miss. Born to Be Free and IV are catchy, and La Venus has some good melodies and singing from Toshi. However, the the majority of the songs are typically structured with generic lyrics and repetitive and simple music (for X's standards). How many ballads do we need with minimal instrumentation? Of the new stuff most are boring ballads without any guitar playing aside from maybe a few power chords. They don't even seem to really feature Pata, Heath, and Sugizo, what the hell? How is it that half of your new songs don't have more than half the band on them? Angel, Scarlet Love Song, La Venus, Without You, Kiss the Sky... count 'em, 5 ballads, none of which have any interesting instrumental sections. Hero is a forgettable pop-rock track (again, without a solo or real instrumental portion) and Beneath the Skin sounds ok, but are ANY of these songs worth a decade long wait? Is this the best he could write in that amount of time? Sure, they have some nice melodies and I'd respect an album being all "new" songs (if there is even one pre-reunion song on it at this point, I'll consider it a failure upon release), but so far its not looking good. None of these songs are offensive or outright bad, but if you are going to take a decade to put something out the work should be "great", not simply "meh".
All in all, the album isn't so much about the material now I guess. I don't think any of us really expect the music to be that great. Its about getting the damn thing out because it has been so long and its been repeatedly alluded to and announced (and even given a concrete release date that passed over a year ago).
These upcoming operations don't bode well for the band's future. I wouldn't even be that upset if they called it a day again. I'd be upset at all the wasted time and opportunity, but that has already happened. If they want to continue and do the occasional show or mini-tour like business as usual, then whatever, nothing really wrong with that. However, to continue pretending like the band is this massive creative outlet and globally touring phenomena? Yeah right...
In fact, X Japan will NEVER be a mainstream rock band in other countries due to tons of factors. Hard rock is already far removed from the public eye, and those bands on the radio are younger and totally boring and safe. Most new hard rock on the radio is generic, pop douche-rock. Bands like Theory of a Dead Man, 5 Finger Death Punch, Seether, Hinder, etc. These bands are younger, boring, and safe which is why rock radio plays them. It sucks, but that's where the hard rock world is right now aside from the typical classic bands. Music doesn't have the pop-culture grasp it once did, so many popular bands are generic and void of emotion, risk taking, and excitement. Occasionally you have something new and exciting like Royal Blood, and you have some alternative rock like The Arctic Monkeys, Black Keys, etc which get radio play and popularity with younger crowds. So, where does X Japan fit into the equation in a sea of the boring modern rock and the more interesting indie/alternative scenes? They don't.
All things considered, they are an old, nostalgia-based, washed up rock band... and that's in their home country where they are the most well known. Their peak was YEARS ago and they are a legacy band in Japan/Asia now. Much like any other big western classic rock band. That isn't a bad thing, its cool they have a legacy to earn them that status. That status allows acts to play to crowds (sometimes even in arenas and stadiums) and it means new material will get played on the radio for a few months (before being forgotten about by mainstream audiences). Its the same formula for any band in that level. A huge band like... I don't know, let's take AC/DC for example. They put out a new album and single, right? The album may sell well in the first few weeks because its AC/DC and the single will get airplay for a few months because its AC/DC, but the new material often doesn't go past that because crowds for legacy acts care more about the classics that they associate the past with. They had a big single, "Rock N' Roll Train" about a decade ago that was played on the radio a ton when it came out. The album it was on, "Black Ice" sold a ton. Yet, ask any casual AC/DC fan about that song and album, and its already been lost to time. Its the magic and curse of nostalgia. Sure, you get the few die hards that will obsess over every album and song and always keep everything in mind, but that is far and few between. Its just how it goes, and that is where X Japan is, a legacy band in Asia and an unknown/cult band in the West. So, Yoshiki repeatedly talking about wanting to "break out" in the USA is just unrealistic. No amount of writing more poppy/boring music for X Japan will change that. Besides, he'd also have to put in work to reach such an already impossible task.
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Heck, maybe if the remaining members still want play, do what every other of my favorite bands are doing/have done: Go on without that one person in the group & call it something else (i.e. Versailles lost Kamijo for a bit, so they got someone else on vocals & called the band Jupiter. Another example would be the remaining members of No Doubt had the singer from AFI join their band & they're calling it Dreamcar)
EDIT: Oh yes, the fangirls. The ass kissing fangirls. . . They can piss off.
The remaining members have their own projects, why should they do anything together without Yoshiki? Sugizo has a billion ongoing projects himself. I doubt he needs one more. Pata and Heath has/had Dopeheadz. Toshi can fare on his own. It's just delusional to think these guys would play together if it weren't for X Japan. The one thing holding this trainwreck together is Yoshiki. If he drops out, they will go their separate ways again. Wanna bet? :) He is the driving force behind this car. If people don't like the way he drives, well, that's their own private problem. He might crash, yes. So what? Are any of you behind him to catch him when he falls? This forum rather looks like a lot of you guys would be happy to see him dead even, being hurt for not getting an album as promised. And some of you were telling me in the beginning that these were fair criticisms but all I see is spitting and blaming and repeating the same old arguments again and again.
Being a sour detractor will not help this situation and won't make the album happen faster when fans put more pressure on the one guy actually doing the work. Who's going to make the album? Pata? Heath? The one other guy capable of carrying such a production is Sugizo, but his style is entirely different and I am 100% sure that most fans would say X Japan's style changed too much if he were to produce the entire thing. Toshi should rather work on his vocals, because his voice is failing big time recently. So who is left to produce anything? The one guy you keep bashing.
I'm pretty sure he is not happy about these delays either. And you know what? The main reason behind these delays is probably anxiety. Because producing an entirely album for a project that was pronounced dead and then revived from ashes is a big a thing with big expectations from fans. Just look at what fans write about IV, Jade or Hero. Never satisfied. It's either too old sounding or too different or not different enough, not quality enough, too much recycled, but never good enough. Imagine you wrote these songs and you are reading these type of comments. With his ego, he strives to do the best, and then you need to produce 10 to 12 signature songs, for these high expectations, with people already bashing the new releases. Whatever people think about Yoshiki in general, I think the one thing I see pretty much confirmed about this guy that he is incredibly insecure. And as long as people keep on raising the bar on him and bash whatever he does, he will NEVER be satisfied with whatever he writes. It's a vicious circle.
So yeah, the album might never happen. I don't care for that, as long as X Japan remains active in the concert scene and all of those guys remain healthy and content with what they do. No need to force anything on them. Yes, Yoshiki makes a lot of mistakes with his announcements that are not properly thought through. But I also think he does not do it intentionally and when he says the album is coming soon, he means it - at that time. And then changes his mind, for whatever reason. Sure, it's frustrating, and he should be better at managing himself, but he's 51 already, and been doing this since he was 20. Do you really think a guy with his kind of complex mental issues will ever change? (Let's face it, he is not normal in the head, that's why this band exsists in the first place. Had he been a normal person, there would have been no X at all....). Now, we can keep whining forever and bashing or just accept that this is the way he is. Will bashing him change anything?
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This forum rather looks like a lot of you guys would be happy to see him dead even, being hurt for not getting an album as promised.
What the hell!?!?!??!?!? I'm pretty sure everyone said that they wish him the best with the surgery! Your skills in misinterpreting what everyone wrote are amazing. I won't even answer anything of all your claims about what we allegedly think about Yoshiki and X. Obviously it's useless to try and explain our point.
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Heck, maybe if the remaining members still want play, do what every other of my favorite bands are doing/have done: Go on without that one person in the group & call it something else (i.e. Versailles lost Kamijo for a bit, so they got someone else on vocals & called the band Jupiter. Another example would be the remaining members of No Doubt had the singer from AFI join their band & they're calling it Dreamcar)
EDIT: Oh yes, the fangirls. The ass kissing fangirls. . . They can piss off.
The remaining members have their own projects, why should they do anything together without Yoshiki? Sugizo has a billion ongoing projects himself. I doubt he needs one more. Pata and Heath has/had Dopeheadz. Toshi can fare on his own. It's just delusional to think these guys would play together if it weren't for X Japan. The one thing holding this trainwreck together is Yoshiki. If he drops out, they will go their separate ways again. Wanna bet? :) He is the driving force behind this car. If people don't like the way he drives, well, that's their own private problem. He might crash, yes. So what? Are any of you behind him to catch him when he falls? This forum rather looks like a lot of you guys would be happy to see him dead even, being hurt for not getting an album as promised. And some of you were telling me in the beginning that these were fair criticisms but all I see is spitting and blaming and repeating the same old arguments again and again.
Being a sour detractor will not help this situation and won't make the album happen faster when fans put more pressure on the one guy actually doing the work. Who's going to make the album? Pata? Heath? The one other guy capable of carrying such a production is Sugizo, but his style is entirely different and I am 100% sure that most fans would say X Japan's style changed too much if he were to produce the entire thing. Toshi should rather work on his vocals, because his voice is failing big time recently. So who is left to produce anything? The one guy you keep bashing.
I'm pretty sure he is not happy about these delays either. And you know what? The main reason behind these delays is probably anxiety. Because producing an entirely album for a project that was pronounced dead and then revived from ashes is a big a thing with big expectations from fans. Just look at what fans write about IV, Jade or Hero. Never satisfied. It's either too old sounding or too different or not different enough, not quality enough, too much recycled, but never good enough. Imagine you wrote these songs and you are reading these type of comments. With his ego, he strives to do the best, and then you need to produce 10 to 12 signature songs, for these high expectations, with people already bashing the new releases. Whatever people think about Yoshiki in general, I think the one thing I see pretty much confirmed about this guy that he is incredibly insecure. And as long as people keep on raising the bar on him and bash whatever he does, he will NEVER be satisfied with whatever he writes. It's a vicious circle.
So yeah, the album might never happen. I don't care for that, as long as X Japan remains active in the concert scene and all of those guys remain healthy and content with what they do. No need to force anything on them. Yes, Yoshiki makes a lot of mistakes with his announcements that are not properly thought through. But I also think he does not do it intentionally and when he says the album is coming soon, he means it - at that time. And then changes his mind, for whatever reason. Sure, it's frustrating, and he should be better at managing himself, but he's 51 already, and been doing this since he was 20. Do you really think a guy with his kind of complex mental issues will ever change? (Let's face it, he is not normal in the head, that's why this band exsists in the first place. Had he been a normal person, there would have been no X at all....). Now, we can keep whining forever and bashing or just accept that this is the way he is. Will bashing him change anything?
You are so dense.
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Also, I am a huge fan of Yoshiki (ALL of us are), for better or worse, he essentially IS X Japan. The dude is an immense musician and I even said several times he seems like a cool guy.
That doesnt mean we cant criticize his behavior, its a public FORUM for personal OPINIONS. His behavior is what leads us to criticize him. People need criticism, its what keeps all of our ego's in check. Humility doesnt exactly seem to be his strong suit.
Sure, I shouldn't have called him a tool, but its just a message board and it all comes out of frustration.
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It's pointless to step in the conversation at this point, I just wanted to say that the reactions triggered by Yoshiki's utterances should show everyone, even Teemeah, that we are fans.
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I wrote a big ol' response, but I scrapped it because no one's gonna care, but I am gonna say this much out of it: That was absolutely crass on all sorts of levels.
EDIT: Yeeeeeeeeeah. nb is right. I'm done with this crap.
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I wrote a big ol' response, but I scrapped it because no one's gonna care, but I am gonna say this much out of it: That was absolutely crass on all sorts of levels.
EDIT: Yeeeeeeeeeah. nb is right. I'm done with this crap.
Sorry to be blunt, just my views
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Heck, maybe if the remaining members still want play, do what every other of my favorite bands are doing/have done: Go on without that one person in the group & call it something else (i.e. Versailles lost Kamijo for a bit, so they got someone else on vocals & called the band Jupiter. Another example would be the remaining members of No Doubt had the singer from AFI join their band & they're calling it Dreamcar)
EDIT: Oh yes, the fangirls. The ass kissing fangirls. . . They can piss off.
The remaining members have their own projects, why should they do anything together without Yoshiki? Sugizo has a billion ongoing projects himself. I doubt he needs one more. Pata and Heath has/had Dopeheadz. Toshi can fare on his own. It's just delusional to think these guys would play together if it weren't for X Japan. The one thing holding this trainwreck together is Yoshiki. If he drops out, they will go their separate ways again. Wanna bet? :) He is the driving force behind this car. If people don't like the way he drives, well, that's their own private problem. He might crash, yes. So what? Are any of you behind him to catch him when he falls? This forum rather looks like a lot of you guys would be happy to see him dead even, being hurt for not getting an album as promised. And some of you were telling me in the beginning that these were fair criticisms but all I see is spitting and blaming and repeating the same old arguments again and again.
Being a sour detractor will not help this situation and won't make the album happen faster when fans put more pressure on the one guy actually doing the work. Who's going to make the album? Pata? Heath? The one other guy capable of carrying such a production is Sugizo, but his style is entirely different and I am 100% sure that most fans would say X Japan's style changed too much if he were to produce the entire thing. Toshi should rather work on his vocals, because his voice is failing big time recently. So who is left to produce anything? The one guy you keep bashing.
I'm pretty sure he is not happy about these delays either. And you know what? The main reason behind these delays is probably anxiety. Because producing an entirely album for a project that was pronounced dead and then revived from ashes is a big a thing with big expectations from fans. Just look at what fans write about IV, Jade or Hero. Never satisfied. It's either too old sounding or too different or not different enough, not quality enough, too much recycled, but never good enough. Imagine you wrote these songs and you are reading these type of comments. With his ego, he strives to do the best, and then you need to produce 10 to 12 signature songs, for these high expectations, with people already bashing the new releases. Whatever people think about Yoshiki in general, I think the one thing I see pretty much confirmed about this guy that he is incredibly insecure. And as long as people keep on raising the bar on him and bash whatever he does, he will NEVER be satisfied with whatever he writes. It's a vicious circle.
So yeah, the album might never happen. I don't care for that, as long as X Japan remains active in the concert scene and all of those guys remain healthy and content with what they do. No need to force anything on them. Yes, Yoshiki makes a lot of mistakes with his announcements that are not properly thought through. But I also think he does not do it intentionally and when he says the album is coming soon, he means it - at that time. And then changes his mind, for whatever reason. Sure, it's frustrating, and he should be better at managing himself, but he's 51 already, and been doing this since he was 20. Do you really think a guy with his kind of complex mental issues will ever change? (Let's face it, he is not normal in the head, that's why this band exsists in the first place. Had he been a normal person, there would have been no X at all....). Now, we can keep whining forever and bashing or just accept that this is the way he is. Will bashing him change anything?
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I wrote a big ol' response, but I scrapped it because no one's gonna care, but I am gonna say this much out of it: That was absolutely crass on all sorts of levels.
EDIT: Yeeeeeeeeeah. nb is right. I'm done with this crap.
Sorry to be blunt, just my views
What? Oh crap. No, no, no, you're fine! I didn't mean you dude. I'm sorry about that. That bit was directed to Teemeah.
EDIT: Just so we're clear, I didn't any of this with malice.
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I wrote a big ol' response, but I scrapped it because no one's gonna care, but I am gonna say this much out of it: That was absolutely crass on all sorts of levels.
EDIT: Yeeeeeeeeeah. nb is right. I'm done with this crap.
Sorry to be blunt, just my views
What? Oh crap. No, no, no, you're fine! I didn't mean you dude. I'm sorry about that. That bit was directed to Teemeah.
Ohhhhhhh, My B, bro. Its all good!
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Please keep on complaining over things you have no power to change, instead of just having normal conversation on you know, things about a band we supposedly all like. Like, its music, or something. But nah, it's just 30 pages of "yoshiki screwed this up" repeated a zillion times. Need a group hug, a few kleenex, or something to help you deal with dissapointment?
I think I will be better off just listening to their music and not trying to connect to "fans". Because every fuckin conversation here ends with complaints about what has or has not been done over the past 10 years. Very fruitful, uplifting and positivel stuff. Maybe you should rename this forum the "X-depressed". Would suit the mood better. :)
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oh and I just saw this and reminded me of this place.
(http://i.imgur.com/Yb65Fg3.jpg)
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Please keep on complaining over things you have no power to change, instead of just having normal conversation on you know, things about a band we supposedly all like. Like, its music, or something. But nah, it's just 30 pages of "yoshiki screwed this up" repeated a zillion times. Need a group hug, a few kleenex, or something to help you deal with dissapointment?
I think I will be better off just listening to their music and not trying to connect to "fans". Because every fuckin conversation here ends with complaints about what has or has not been done over the past 10 years. Very fruitful, uplifting and positivel stuff. Maybe you should rename this forum the "X-depressed". Would suit the mood better. :)
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What are you trying to accomplish? You discovered the band 2 months ago, how about showing some respect to fans that have been here for years? Your second post in this thread was with guns blazing, attacking die hards who have been fans of the band for years. I kind of get it, you just found them and got excited and a little obsessive, and are dissapointed to find that fans on one of the only active sites dedicated to them are disillusioned. Bummer... but did you ever think maybe there was a reason for that? Did you read the subject of the thread? This thread is dedicated to a potential delay regarding an album release. What do you expect to find?
I see lots of people having a rational, yet passionate discussion in this thread. You have had many opportunities to pitch in. Instead, you continue to ignore the many topics provided above since they don't fit your narrative and simply attack the users for having a different opinion than yours. I think its awesome you like the band, but we have all had the discussions about the songs, shows, music, history, etc countless times before. There is a reason this forum has kind of died and when there is activity like now, it is based on current events. The current news with the band is that they will probably cancel future activity. See why we are talking avout that?
I doubt anyone on here lets the band affect their "real life", but when we post here, of course our brain focuses on X Japan. Not every conversation has to be positive or even productive, we are just sharing our thoughts on the group. If you dont like it, and if you cant join the discussion in an intelligent way, then this website isnt for you. We welcome new members, but dont need ones who throw a fit when people's attitudes don't line up with what they want. I hope you get to see the band one day, but learn to respect the communities you join. If you can do that, please stay. If you cannot, you will not be missed.
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I'm not going to join in on all the drama. I just wanted to say that I wish Yoshiki all the best for his surgery and recovery. I can understand why he didn't wanted to do this surgery until he couldn't avoid it any longer. Surgeries on your neck, especially on your vertebral bodies are really scary and also kinda risky. Nobody wants to do them if not absolutely neccesary.
It's sad for us as fans that this might again cause a delay, but it can't be helped. His body is to broken/damaged.
Fun story aside: Two years ago I went sledding with a friend and broke two vertebral bodies. That hurt. It hurts even more than stepping on a lego. So in other words: a LOT. Still today I have occassionally problems with back pain. Considering how many other health problems Yoshiki has... I don't want to be him. ^^°
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oh and I just saw this and reminded me of this place.
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Gotta say that made me laugh lol. I really do get where you are coming from, its just we all really are fed up with the band. I view the delays as a seperate thing from Yoshiki's health since its been so long. If we were just talking about health, of course it comes first and I am sad he is going through what he is
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Everything has been said for the drama I guess so I'm not going to comment more on it right now.
As for the surgery, I hear you Kasumi but iirc the last time the surgery was on the topic (2 years ago or even last year?) it was already kind of point of non return.
So, while we can all agree on a neck surgery non being appealing, I think it was already necessary at that time. Scary as it is, the situation last time was already appalling (numbness and sort of paralysis) and should have been, imo, a sufficient red flag to undergo surgery then. Of course, it's up to Yoshiki but I think he should listen to his doctors/surgeons more often and not wait 'til it might be too late someday... And stop with the "I don't feel my hand but I'm still gonna rock!" Nope, just heal yourself man, we'll wait, we are pretty good at that now haha
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Everything has been said for the drama I guess so I'm not going to comment more on it right now.
As for the surgery, I hear you Kasumi but iirc the last time the surgery was on the topic (2 years ago or even last year?) it was already kind of point of non return.
The thing is people do mistakes and so does he. We can't do anything about. ^^° So as for now the only thing I can do is... hope that he has a very good surgeon. :D
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Yes we can't do anything, I'm just glad he will finally do something about it!
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On the surgery- Good
On the album- It will never come out and even if it does, it doesn't matter because we've already heard all the songs that will be on it.
On the future- My opinion was that Yoshiki was trying to bank on music trends again (metal to hard rock and ballads, to synth-pop rock in the 90s) and it bit him because what's trending now in rock music is what's keeping rock music unpopular. I don't want to say X have become a boring or talentless band but they are definitely generic now. I really love Jade and I like IV a lot (reminds me of something hide would make) but they just became less and less creative and imaginative with their releases throughout the years. There's an emptiness I don't really understand.
Oh well, I'm glad the surgery is finally happening. I do understand him putting it off for so long, due to the fail rate and the consequences of it's failures (permanent paralysis). But oddly I do also consider it an excuse for the album not being released again, since I know it won't be.
If he weren't running around doing everything under the sun that had nothing to do with music it wouldn't have mattered that he has to undergo emergency surgery because he would have put in enough work for it to have been completed regardless.
I agree with Axl that it's true, when there's a will there's a way... but there was no will.
On an aside I think it's incredibly strange that they spent 10 years puffing up how famous they are but practically none of that showing what they're capable of. Odd that a documentary was made without the album to push them into the future...
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Teemeah, oh how I wish you discovered this band in the forums 'glory days', you would have loved it here! I have to admit I have been getting quite nostalgic reading over some of the old re-opened subforums and topics, and cringing over some of my teenage thoughts and band obsessions. :/
I think it was October 2014 when I first heard a decent HD rip of Beneath the Skin, and for some reason it changed my previous mentality from "Release the fucking album already god damn it, I can't deal with another Chinese Democracy scenario in my delicate state" to 'Ah well, whatever singles or leaks that have and will come out are actually better than a reunion of your favourite angsty teenage band never occurring". I still remember the excitement 10 years ago of the murmurs of Toshi and Yoshiki talking again. Of searching for hundreds of different downloads of I.V., of finding dodgy low-def streams to the 3 night reunion concerts which would cut-out every few minutes... But now, 10 years later, like many long-termers on this forum, I've gone through every possible emotion waiting on the release of this album so many people thought would never be released, from a band that literally came into and changed my life for the better at a time when (as a massively fucked up kid) I needed something to be absorbed by.
Whilst I've travelled the world, fallen in love, built a house and all the things that come along with that, part of me regrets not ever seeing X (or even just Yoshiki or Toshi) in concert. To be transformed away for just a few hours with a band which literally saved me and changed my life (yes, soppy, but who gives a fuck, music has that effect on people) is something I've always wanted with this band. But, as other people have mentioned, I don't have the time, money or lack of responsibilities to travel half way across the globe, at great expense, for a 50/50 chance of seeing a gig which, if it doesn't occur, I won't be able to afford to see again. So I completely understand people's anger about last minute cancellations.
So for the next decade, I guess I'll just keep checking this forum, and not be disappointed when more gigs and cancelled and the album keeps getting pushed back... But I sure as hell am gonna be analysing the fuck out of whatever 2 or 3 songs that get leaked or 'unplugged released' over that time! :D
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On the future- My opinion was that Yoshiki was trying to bank on music trends again (metal to hard rock and ballads, to synth-pop rock in the 90s) and it bit him because what's trending now in rock music is what's keeping rock music unpopular. I don't want to say X have become a boring or talentless band but they are definitely generic now. I really love Jade and I like IV a lot (reminds me of something hide would make) but they just became less and less creative and imaginative with their releases throughout the years. There's an emptiness I don't really understand.
I have to agree with you here. I'm feeling an emptiness with their new material as well but I can't quite place a finger on what it actually is. Maybe it's because they just weren't the same after the Art of Life period when they all cut their hair and went for a more softer, radio-friendly sound and wrote more ballads. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with changing your style up a bit, but I believe X Japan were at their peak and more original when they were still X, dressed like peacocks, just 5 young guys hungry and determined for success. And all those emotions were vented out in the music you heard in their early days, a raw, energetic hard rock/metal sound. It all culminated into what I believe is X's magnum opus: Art of Life (it was in fact released under the name X Japan with Heath on bass but I still consider it an 'X' record with Taiji's spirit on it). And once they had that success, I feel like they just lost some of that enthusiasm and just decided to take it a bit easier and write more generic sounding material and ballads. So nowadays I don't really expect anything mind-blowingly creative from them because I've accepted that X and X Japan are two different bands. X was before huge success, and X Japan was afterwards. In other words, I don't expect a group of successful 50 year old guys who've already made it somewhere to have the same hunger and desire when writing music as to when they were 20.
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I don't have the time, money or lack of responsibilities to travel half way across the globe, at great expense, for a 50/50 chance of seeing a gig which, if it doesn't occur, I won't be able to afford to see again. So I completely understand people's anger about last minute cancellations.
I understand the frustration, completely. I have the same experience with one of my favourite Turkish rock bands.
But just think guys for a moment from new fans' perspectives, too. You discover a fandom, ready to jump in and talk about your newly found love and what do you get? Incredibly bitter comments all the time. Not one or two, or sometimes, - but all the time. There is nothing else going on on this forum, just complaints on top of complaints.
I really tried my best to engage in conversation, resurrect old topics, and stuff, but even the comments I get there always end up bashing Yoshiki for delays and complaining about the new musical style. I get it, but can we talk about other stuff, too? I have tons of questions, curious about a lot of things, but apart from the complaining topics, there is nothing here going on.
I am not expecting anyone to fangirl or anything, or to not be angry for the delays. I was just expecting some fun conversation about this band, but fun conversation is something I have not seen on this forum ever since I joined. Why should I check it again? What should I talk about, when all I see is negativity everywhere? It seems like some members enjoy being masochistic over this whole delay thing and write the same complaints all over again everywhere.
This is, for me, just too much. It's killing the joy and excitement over a band I just discovered and grew on me like nothing before. I literally consumed 90% of their concert videos in a month time (yes, I don't sleep much nowadays), from bootleg versions to the latest fancams, whatever I could mine out of Youtube. But there is nobody here to talk to about anything other than "oh another delay, so angry". :-\ and I get angry because for fcks sake it's not going to change anything. It's not like you guys can go over to Yoshiki's place, kick his arse and chain him to the studio until he finishes. So why can't just let go of this and enjoy what you have? I don't mind rewatching ages old VHS tape rips. I always find something new in them, so many angles to watch. I found a weird satisfaction in watching Japanese interviews I don't understand a word of. ;D
As for the newer releases, I don't feel they are lacking, they are certainly different, and the only song that doesn't agree with me from the new releases is La Venus, but maybe because I just love the older ballads more. But for example the guitar riffs at the beginning of Jade are aweeeeeeesome, it's my jam, and also my ringtone (that always startles people around me LOL. I myself jumped a couple of times :D). And can I just drool over Sugizo's violin performances, please? The Say Anything acoustic performance at Yokohama Arena is waah. I feel like he is a perfect addition to the team. I know that most don't really like the softer additions in sound but to me, this is why I fell for X Japan, this incredible mix of heavy elements with symphonic sound, classical piano. I never listened to heavy metal in my life. And had anyone ever told me that one day my favourite band would be a Japanese metal band, I would have laughed my ass off. But it just happened, and it's because this is just the perfect hybrid sound ever. OK, Toshi's emotional vocals enhance it, too. ;) I love that I can headbang like a madwoman one moment and cry my eyes off the other - and it's the friggin same song!
Sorry, it's been a long rant. I just would like people to talk about other stuff, too. What's your all time favourite guitar part, for example? Your favourite interview? Your favourite Pata moment? The absolute most cringe-worthy PV? Has any of you been to the hide Museum? Has any of you learnt to play an instrument because of X Japan? (I sort of regret that I never learnt any instruments, I have always loved the sound of bass) Does anyone know anything about Heath's childhood, for example? Or Pata's? Did you know that Taiji made the costumes in the early days? I could go on until dawn :) See, a whole bunch of things to talk about other than how disappointed everyone is because of the delay.
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I think my frustration with the band has lead me to be a pretty big prick to you, Teemeah. Im sorry.
Fuck, dont go. Your post got me kind if excited about X again.
Ill post more later cause Im at work, but maybe talking about the band again is a good idea. Its been a while for me since Ive really shared my experiences and I just started reading some old threads too...
Im sorry for being stubborn and mean. Will you stay? Im not saying Ill stop complaining here and there lol, but I cam surely focus on the positives more.
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This is, for me, just too much. It's killing the joy and excitement over a band I just discovered and grew on me like nothing before. I literally consumed 90% of their concert videos in a month time (yes, I don't sleep much nowadays), from bootleg versions to the latest fancams, whatever I could mine out of Youtube. But there is nobody here to talk to about anything other than "oh another delay, so angry". :-\ and I get angry because for fcks sake it's not going to change anything. It's not like you guys can go over to Yoshiki's place, kick his arse and chain him to the studio until he finishes. So why can't just let go of this and enjoy what you have? I don't mind rewatching ages old VHS tape rips. I always find something new in them, so many angles to watch. I found a weird satisfaction in watching Japanese interviews I don't understand a word of. ;D
Ok... now do that for ten years :D And let the songs and MVs dwindle down to songs but no MVs, and then those songs dwindle down to live versions only with bad quality from someone's cellphone :D While the band tells you throughout those 10 years that the new album will be released in 6 months. That it will be released in summer. That it will be released in spring. That it will be released next year. Over, and over, and over, and over again. :D
I understand you want to indulge in some escapism in a positive fandom of a band you find distinct and otherworldly. Twitter is a great place for that. You will never hear a negative word ever. And I don't mean that in a mean way at all. I think the more people here, the merrier.
But you're complaining from a very biased perspective and perhaps being new, you've forgotten that it IS bias compared to the majority of this forum. Of course you're not bored or frustrated or feel betrayed (yeah, Yoshiki owes us nothing . BUT his word), everything's new! Everything's fresh and current. Put in the years like we have and then you can complain about our attitude.
It's the lies that made everyone so irate.
Oh and in reference to people critiquing their current songs and how it's only hurting Yoshiki and making him slower? Please look at the quote in my footer :)
You also have to remember that any praise you can bestow upon the bad... we've done so a million times. We know Sugizo is an awesome violinist. We KNOW there's a wonderful mix of harmony and metal sounds... that's why we love the band. I'm sorry but I just have to reiterate that you clearly don't understand your bias position. We've had those conversations before... we're not still here after a decade because they sound like nails on a chalkboard. Don't you get it?
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You also have to remember that any praise you can bestow upon the bad... we've done so a million times. We know Sugizo is an awesome violinist. We KNOW there's a wonderful mix of harmony and metal sounds... that's why we love the band. I'm sorry but I just have to reiterate that you clearly don't understand your bias position. We've had those conversations before... we're not still here after a decade because they sound like nails on a chalkboard. Don't you get it?
Oh I get it. Please keep on complaining, if that's what makes you happy.... I've been in other fandoms for years, too, where nothing much happens around the artist, and guess what, I don't go on the forum and complain every single day. because it's just pointless. And if you don't have anything else to talk about, that's already too bad. There are a gazillion topics here, and new ones could be opened about anything. I'm sorry that I wanted to make conversation about all those things you already know. Everyone should only make conversation about how bad they feel and how everything is fucked up, because it's new. Oh wait, but you've been doing this for 10 years. So you can talk about your complaints nonstop for 10 years - but talking about Sugizo's violin is "we've had those conversations before". I see.
Sorry for having butted my nose into something I have nothing to do with. :( it really is just better to leave you guys alone with your suffering, so you can have some more awesome conversations about why the past 10 years sucked, becasuse you didn't have those conversations before.
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and btw I like Kpop, too, and if someone knows what it's like to be told one thing and get another (or nothing), than that's Kpoppers. I know what it is like being told that your fave band goes on world tour (oh yay!!) only to learn a year later that it means 5 Asian cities and a festival in New York. There's a running joke that YG Entertainment (the agency repping my favourite Korean band) has a world map in its HQ where Europe is rubbed off. Been waiting for this band to come to a nearby place since forever. Frustrating? Sure. Am I writing angry messages all the time on their message board? Nope. Do I rewatch their concert vids? sure thing, for the zillionth time. Can I still talk about other stuff? Hell yes. Oh and now they enter the military one by one, so at least 5 to 6 years no show, no album, no whatever at all. Will I still be here waiting for them? YUP. It's tough. But this is not the only thing in my life so I should spend the rest of my life crying into my pillow every night. i can still talk to fellow fans about them. I can still welcome new fans and talk about stuff I already know. Because I love them, and I'm glad to talk about how awesome TOP's rapping is for the zillionth time. :) and I can go in details of how they dress and what their lyrics means to me, and I don't get tired of talking about their old stuff. I don't need to get new material to be able to talk about them. (If anyone wonders, they are called Bigbang. And they are not metal).
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Teemeah, I think it's awesome that you are so active in this forum although you discovered the band not too long ago.
This forum is just not as active as in the past because there are not too many things we can talk about which we haven't talk about before. So, please feel free to comment on any older threats or start a new threat. I must say you bring some fresh air to this forum. ;)
Sorry, I should stay on the topic.
I don't think Yoshiki can recover 100% to do the planned concerts. Have they announced the cancellation of the concerts in Japan?
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I don't think Yoshiki can recover 100% to do the planned concerts. Have they announced the cancellation of the concerts in Japan?
They have not. I guess we won't know until after the surgery, when the doctors will see how fast he can recover, and hopefully there won't be complications. I'd rather he rested well for an ample amount of time instead of head-jumping into concerts two months after surgery, so that he would damage his new implants, too and need another surgery again... They gave Pata enough time to recover, he should give himself time too.
So, please feel free to comment on any older threats or start a new threat. I must say you bring some fresh air to this forum
Thank you. I did that, but I feel like talking to myself at those threads, since nobody replies.
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Hey! If you notice, the people who replied are more or less the couple of people. As I said, this forum is just too active. On the other side, a lot of people just read and don't leave any comments.
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Well, as all.of you said, we talk about the delays because thats all that happens nowadays and because we are pretty much done with the other topics by now xD that doesn't mean we don't love the band and enjoy the music anymore! Man, the wembley show was THE BEST CONCERT SINCE THE REUNION!!!! LOL I was ready to let go of X, but the concert (and the whole weekend with the signing session and we are x with kijak in the cinema) was just so fucking awesome that I need to stay here some more. LOL
I guess X fans have to be masochists to stay fans for a long. But we stay because we want to and because we care. Aaah I don't even know if I'm making sense right now. XD anyway, feel free to give your opinion on all those other fun topics with a fresh perspective. ;)
And now, let's hope Yoshiki's surgery today goes well!!! >_<
(update: I just realized that my browser didn't show the last few entries, so sorry if I'm pointlessly repeating something that was already said in the meantime *headdesk*)
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I don't think Yoshiki can recover 100% to do the planned concerts. Have they announced the cancellation of the concerts in Japan?
They have not. I guess we won't know until after the surgery, when the doctors will see how fast he can recover, and hopefully there won't be complications. I'd rather he rested well for an ample amount of time instead of head-jumping into concerts two months after surgery, so that he would damage his new implants, too and need another surgery again... They gave Pata enough time to recover, he should give himself time too.
So, please feel free to comment on any older threats or start a new threat. I must say you bring some fresh air to this forum
Thank you. I did that, but I feel like talking to myself at those threads, since nobody replies.
Yes, because we talked about it years ago. Let us wining now. The old topics are sometimes more then 10 years old. For now I choose to cry. ;)
And it's not true that we are all always negative. See the new topics from Wembley and La Venus. And I am not parden my critism about Yoshiki.
And please respect the rules in this forum, OK? :)
Have a nice stay and let us crying, while you are not. =^.^= (in real life I am (nowadays) a very positive person)
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Yoshiki survived
https://mobile.twitter.com/YoshikiOfficial/status/864714060864012288
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Yoshiki survived
https://mobile.twitter.com/YoshikiOfficial/status/864714060864012288
And became Ironman. LOL
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Yoshiki survived
https://mobile.twitter.com/YoshikiOfficial/status/864714060864012288
That's a relief, that the operation went well and there were no complications. Now we will have to see how long it takes him to recover fully. Though I read that this kind of procedure heals fast, but I guess it is entirely different for normal people and a metal drummer, who will put extreme pressure on his neck constantly... LOL.
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This Japanese article says that initial recovery takes 6 weeks and 90% recovery takes half a year and they will need to see how the condition of his arm and hand improves (the neurological connection). It also says that this idiot went from the hospital straight to the recording studio after he woke up and wanted to work, and was persuaded by the staff to go home and be under medical supervision. (I want to shake him and shout at him and hit him senseless, seriously...).
https://news.biglobe.ne.jp/entertainment/0517/nrn_170517_8004595909.html
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It also says that this idiot went from the hospital straight to the recording studio after he woke up and wanted to work, and was persuaded by the staff to go home and be under medical supervision.
Yeah, the main problem between Yoshiki and his recovery is himself. He really needs to listen to his doctors for once (and yeah have a doctor follow him everywhere might help haha).
It makes me thinks of when Yoshiki runs everywhere during Orgasm (the 15mn long live version) and the bodyguard just had to follow him wishing he doesn't do something dangerous or stupid xD
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It makes me thinks of when Yoshiki runs everywhere during Orgasm (the 15mn long live version) and the bodyguard just had to follow him wishing he doesn't do something dangerous or stupid xD
Yeah he needs a bodyguard to save him from himself.
If I were his nurse, I'd chain him to the bed. looking at his nurse fetish history, I don't think he would mind. ;)
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Yoshiki survived
https://mobile.twitter.com/YoshikiOfficial/status/864714060864012288
And became Ironman. LOL
Yaaaay! I was very happy this morning as I read his tweet. ^___^
Lets see how his recovery... wait what? He wanted to leave the hospital right after the surgery and go back to work? *sigh* Yoshiki...
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Yaaaay! I was very happy this morning as I read his tweet. ^___^
Lets see how his recovery... wait what? He wanted to leave the hospital right after the surgery and go back to work? *sigh* Yoshiki...
not wanted, he actually did. Well, according to two news articles I read. Btw, I just read that the members of Glay prayed for his recovery at their live LOL.
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Yaaaay! I was very happy this morning as I read his tweet. ^___^
Lets see how his recovery... wait what? He wanted to leave the hospital right after the surgery and go back to work? *sigh* Yoshiki...
not wanted, he actually did. Well, according to two news articles I read. Btw, I just read that the members of Glay prayed for his recovery at their live LOL.
If that's true that's even worse... but so Yoshiki. Nice gesture from Glay.
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The whole thing about the recovery time and the story about leaving the hospital to record something (WHAT THE HELL YOSHIKI!?) is also written in english on Yoshiki-Mobile here: http://smph.yoshiki-mobile.com/pickup/index.html?pickup_id=133
(The link only works on mobile devices)
And yeah, I'm also very happy to read things went well so far! Now let's whole that crazy guy does what the doctors tell him and REST. Otherwise the surgery would have been pretty much vain. -_-
Edit: You can already read the statement on Yoshiki's OHP now http://www.yoshiki.net/YoshikiSurgery.html
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Edit: You can already read the statement on Yoshiki's OHP now http://www.yoshiki.net/YoshikiSurgery.html
He needs a psychologist. This is not normal. And how can any doctor just let him go a few hours after surgery? Frankly, he needs a good friend to slap him in the face and wake him up. I wonder if he has anyone that would be capable of just shouting his hair off and put him to bed. I know he listens to no one but still. If my bestie did this, I would sure screech in her ears and slap her across the face to get her back to her senses. Who's his best friend nowadays? (Toshi? He may brew him a tea and then Instagram it, but I doubt he'd be able to slap him across the face).
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He needs a psychologist. This is not normal.
Yes, we already know this since his myspace blog emo posts back in the days. He once tried a psychologist, but then run away...
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He needs a psychologist. This is not normal.
Yes, we already know this since his myspace blog emo posts back in the days. He once tried a psychologist, but then run away...
Of course... This guy is broken ever since his dad ended his life. Someone should've helped him long time ago...
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Yes, we already know this since his myspace blog emo posts back in the days. He once tried a psychologist, but then run away...
I suspect it was the psychologist that ran away :P
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Yes, we already know this since his myspace blog emo posts back in the days. He once tried a psychologist, but then run away...
I suspect it was the psychologist that ran away :P
;D yes, it must be very frightening if there is a raging Yosh-san in front of you.
But unfortunatelly the great crazy japanese drummer dude ran away :/
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...I think Yoshiki is a very interesting person to analyze. :P
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...I think Yoshiki is a very interesting person to analyze. :P
That's for sure. He'd make a great case study of narcisstic masochism :D
nevertheless, I'd like to "analyze" him too.:P he could come to my living room and talk to me about his problems. I'm a VERY good listener. :P
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I think it's a made-up story to generate drama tbh, released straight from Yoshiki's press team.
Just like how they mentioned that another tour was on the way soon before he had to have surgery... we just hadn't heard of it until it had to be cancelled ::)
It's all just drumming up stories. But whatever he needs to stay in the news without an album, I guess.
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I have been so busy these past few days so I haven't been able to post much/respond to messages
Anyways, anything you hear about him in a recording studio right now is bullshit. As Returner said, its just garbage to generate sympathy and attention from fans that are susceptible to that sort of thing. He doesn't spend nearly as much time in a studio as he has claimed.
Anyways, I literally work in a hospital. He is supposed to be up ASAP. Its common to have patients with back surgery up a day later. The body needs to work to heal! Glad his surgery went well, don't mind the over dramatized stories he puts out, he is in good care and will be fine.
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if you take a look on his newest Instagram Video (https://www.instagram.com/yoshikiofficial/), I highly doubt that guy went anywhere close to his studio! -___-;
axlrose, well let's hope he really does only as much moving as he's supposed to. Somehow I don't see him taking his time for recovery and he'ill probably rather try doing stuff that he's not supposed to do way too early. -____-
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if you take a look on his newest Instagram Video (https://www.instagram.com/yoshikiofficial/), I highly doubt that guy went anywhere close to his studio! -___-;
axlrose, well let's hope he really does only as much moving as he's supposed to. Somehow I don't see him taking his time for recovery and he'ill probably rather try doing stuff that he's not supposed to do way too early. -____-
He was probably rolled in with the wheelchair. :) I can pretty much imagine he did that, probably still not thinking clearly from the aftereffects of anaesthesia. But this thing that after placing an implant they let you just go like whoosh, this is something new to me. Here in my country, unless it is a lighter, 10-15 minute surgery, you need to stay at least a few days for supervision... The US works differently, I guess.
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I think it's a made-up story to generate drama tbh, released straight from Yoshiki's press team.
Just like how they mentioned that another tour was on the way soon before he had to have surgery... we just hadn't heard of it until it had to be cancelled ::)
It's all just drumming up stories. But whatever he needs to stay in the news without an album, I guess.
This. I highly doubt he was on his way into the studio like the article claims. It's all hype to add MORE drama to him.
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I think it's a made-up story to generate drama tbh, released straight from Yoshiki's press team.
That's also my thought.
if you take a look on his newest Instagram Video (https://www.instagram.com/yoshikiofficial/), I highly doubt that guy went anywhere close to his studio! -___-;
;D ;D ;D ;D
Excuse me, but I had to start laughing instantly. btw he looks really nice, as he is there without makeup in the bed (picture before).
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Excuse me, but I had to start laughing instantly. btw he looks really nice, as he is there without makeup in the bed (picture before).
He looks like a normal human being there. Unkempt hair, stubbles :) Too bad he only allows himself to be seen like that when he is sick. Finally we got a glimpse into what he looks like every morning before the beauty routines ;)
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I joined a couple of X Japan/Yoshiki fans that are doing that cheesy thing where we're making a get well video for Yoshiki. If anyone would like to join here's the facebook event: https://www.facebook.com/events/181809429008373 :)
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I have received the email from Xjapanofficial today, saying that Yoshiki will be in Paris at the beginning of July.
From the video he posted on his twitter, it seems that it's even difficult for him to walk. Will he be well enough to be in Paris in a month's time?
#WeAreX in French theaters July 6!
Special preview w/ Yoshiki Q&A!
Tickets and info at Club de l'Etoile: http://clubdeletoile.fr/s/we-are-x/
#WeAreX #Paris Premiere July 7!
Premiere screening at JapanExpo w/ appearance by Yoshiki!
Information at http://bit.ly/WeAreX_JapanExpo
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Ha yeah... He'll probably be able to move by then but I doubt that flying is a good idea and probably he won't be able to do anything more than a Q&A anyway... In two day they'll announce what they'll do about the YC and X concerts... we'll see... :/
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Yes, we will wait and see... ;)
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He should rest a couple of month, but yeah, it's Yoshiki....
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So looks like X will still perform in Japan next month, but as an acoustic set?
http://natalie.mu/music/news/236121
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So looks like X will still perform in Japan next month, but as an acoustic set?
http://natalie.mu/music/news/236121
Yes, Toshi's Instagram says the same. So it will be acoustic, with Yoshiki on piano only. I think it is a fine compromise, at least he gave in to his doctors and won't touch his drum kit for a while. That's a good thing. We all knew he wouldn't possibly cancel all the shows altogether. He is way too workaholic for that. If the doctors allow him to play piano, I'm fine with that. As long as he really takes care to heal in between.
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An acoustic set is good, as long as they are including acoustic versions of their faster songs and not only playing all ballads, i.e. play it that way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVa0bjALIko
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Extremely mixed feelings about this. Glad they're offering a refund option to those who aren't down for the change to an acoustic set. Honestly, we've been burned for 10 years with this band, what would another year postponement do anyway?? I think even Yoshiki realizes that he's fucked with us too many times. Also, no mention of the "unannounced US tour" that was supposed to start in the summer either. I mean, none of this should be a surprise after the type of surgery he had, but it's just so much harder to accept after how long we've been waiting and mislead. Said it before and will say it again - glad I got to see them in 2010 because so far, it proves to be the one and only time I'll ever get.
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I think this is an awesome compromise. I am pleasantly surprised with this decision
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Extremely mixed feelings about this. Glad they're offering a refund option to those who aren't down for the change to an acoustic set. Honestly, we've been burned for 10 years with this band, what would another year postponement do anyway?? I think even Yoshiki realizes that he's fucked with us too many times. Also, no mention of the "unannounced US tour" that was supposed to start in the summer either. I mean, none of this should be a surprise after the type of surgery he had, but it's just so much harder to accept after how long we've been waiting and mislead. Said it before and will say it again - glad I got to see them in 2010 because so far, it proves to be the one and only time I'll ever get.
somehow it just feels like whatever Yoshiki does is criticized, regardless of the actual results. had he postponed the whole thing, you'd complain, "look, another postponement". If they decided to do the shows as planned, you'd most definitely go "he's crazy, he won't be able to drum in this state, they won't be able to finish the tour", now that a compromise was reached, you complain about that as well. I'm sincerely curious, what does he have to do in this situation that you would stop complaining? I think it is a good compromise that that concerts will be held. And in any case, it's in Japan, where people can see them aplenty, anyways, so I don't think most Japanese fans complain about the acoustic. (Those who do, will get their refund). It doesn't affect you in any ways personally, so why the complaining again?
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I am pleased that Yoshiki feels good enough to play the piano in the upcoming concerts.
I think it's a welcome solution for most of the fans. Actually, it's a very rare chance to see a whole X acoustic
show. Although no more X jumps. LOL
Teemeah, the way I see it, I don't think Feudal's post is any kind of complain. He/she just told us the opinion.
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Hmmm would be quite nice to see a live recording release, either video or audio, from these concerts.
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Dude, I am totally with you, a hundred percent, on that front. To be honest, I kinda feel like the saying "absence makes the heart grow fonder" kinda fits into the situation.
It doesn't affect you in any ways personally, so why the complaining again?
Couldn't the same be said for you though? I mean, you've been complaining over the people who are "complaining" about the recent controversies with the band, so you know. . . Just putting that out there.
Hmmm would be quite nice to see a live recording release, either video or audio, from these concerts.
Physical copies? Heck yeah. Maybe they could post it on Nico Nico too, but don't hide it behind paywalls, those suck.
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Physical copies? Heck yeah.
Of course. :)
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I think this is an awesome compromise. I am pleasantly surprised with this decision
Same here. I wonder what kind of songs will be played... maybe Rose of Pain (Acoustic version)? That would be awesome. :)
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I have to agree that this is an awesome compromise. Even, a little welcome. Has X Japan EVER done an entirely acoustic set? It would be so cool if they played Rose of Pain... love when ToshI plays acoustic guitar on it.
I hope they record it and let global fans watch it on YouTube tbh. Or at least a live stream. It would generate buzz about them for sure, since it will be Yoshiki's first performance after surgery (wink wink PR people, wink wink)
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I'm one of the first people to call X-Japan (specifically Yoshiki) on their bullshit, but I have to say, even I'm impressed by this move. Considering the nature of the surgery he just had, I'm amazed Yoshiki feels well enough to keep the show on. I think an acoustic set is super cool, and hell, even if they wanted to make that their thing for an entire world tour (assuming he's well enough to travel), that'd be pretty neat. I genuinely hope this isn't at the expense of his health, though. As vocal as I've been about keeping promises and the importance of integrity with your fans, I don't want anything to conflict with the man's well-being. None of us do.
This is pretty rad, though. Will definitely make for a great show!
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I have to agree that this is an awesome compromise. Even, a little welcome. Has X Japan EVER done an entirely acoustic set? It would be so cool if they played Rose of Pain... love when ToshI plays acoustic guitar on it.
I hope they record it and let global fans watch it on YouTube tbh. Or at least a live stream. It would generate buzz about them for sure, since it will be Yoshiki's first performance after surgery (wink wink PR people, wink wink)
I think in one of the articles I saw it mentioned that it would be broadcast live on wowow. Probably some fans will also put it up on YT. I doubt they would do a YT live stream, too, though that would be freakin awesome. (and tbh X Japan marketing peopel suck, so I don't expect them to think of international fans...)
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I have to agree that this is an awesome compromise. Even, a little welcome. Has X Japan EVER done an entirely acoustic set? It would be so cool if they played Rose of Pain... love when ToshI plays acoustic guitar on it.
I hope they record it and let global fans watch it on YouTube tbh. Or at least a live stream. It would generate buzz about them for sure, since it will be Yoshiki's first performance after surgery (wink wink PR people, wink wink)
I think in one of the articles I saw it mentioned that it would be broadcast live on wowow. Probably some fans will also put it up on YT. I doubt they would do a YT live stream, too, though that would be freakin awesome. (and tbh X Japan marketing peopel suck, so I don't expect them to think of international fans...)
Yes, if I remember correctly, the final one on July 17th Yokohama is the one being broadcast by wowow.
Coincidentally, it's also the one I will be attending, one more reason to look forward to this.
I also think the decision to go acoustic is more than just a compromise, could turn out to be something very special.
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So if they are doing a wowow broadcast we definetely get them on jpopsuki :-)
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Was this link in here?
https://youtu.be/2oYRFTay_uo
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Someone linked me an English subtitled version a few days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1sN_Yw-VJk
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Yoshiki flew to Japan for a pressconf today and the news articles say something like his condition is not so good, apparently his body is not accepting the implant well, he experiences considerable pain and his hand is still numb. Regardless, he will proceed with the acoustic concerts and believes that he would heal eventually.
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/news/2017/06/20/kiji/20170620s00041000118000c.html
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Yoshiki flew to Japan for a pressconf today and the news articles say something like his condition is not so good, apparently his body is not accepting the implant well, he experiences considerable pain and his hand is still numb. Regardless, he will proceed with the acoustic concerts and believes that he would heal eventually.
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/news/2017/06/20/kiji/20170620s00041000118000c.html
That doesn't sound good...
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I wonder if he is going against doctors orders with this if it is true? Surely it would be better to be fully healed?
Wouldn't be the first time, I guess. Probably his doctors also know his personality by now, so they go for the least damage scenario... That's my guess. No way he would sit idle for 6-8 months.
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Here is the article in English from Japan Today. https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/headbanging-is-no-good-says-x-japan-drummer-after-surgery