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The band => The Members => Yoshiki => Topic started by: Ashura on July 26, 2009, 09:55:52 PM
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According to the X Japan Official Web Page (http://www.xjapan.ne.jp/news/detail/?nid=136), YOSHIKI will undergo neck surgery today at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Beverly Hills, CA, where many other celebrities have received treatment in the past. Director of Orthopaedic Spine Surgery, MD, Mch Orth. Neel Anand (http://www.csmc.edu/3238.html) will preform a cervical foraminotomy, which is a minimally invasive procedure done to relieve the symptoms of a pinched nerve by enlarging the space through which the nerve root exits from the spinal cord.
The surgery became necessary because of increasing neck pains and left hand numbness. Before deciding on getting cervical foraminotomy, YOSHIKI did seek out second and third options on the diagnosis and treatment, but concluded that a surgery was necessary.
After the surgery, YOSHIKI will need a few weeks to recover from the surgery and a month or more of rehabilitation. In the case of his condition not improving, alternative treatments might be considered.
You can read more about cervical foraminotomy here (http://www.eorthopod.com/public/files/Cervical_Foraminotomy.pdf)!
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I think I'm gonna cry....Hopefully he'll be ok..
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Hopefully this means the end of neck problems.
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I'm trying to figure out what my reaction to this should be.
So far....I only get *facepalm* which I think is enough to summarize everything I'm feeling.
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Let see...so that means no concerts for all of August...meaning they have 4 months to preform....13 concerts that were announced at the start of the year....I am starting to think the lack of information from them recently is a good thing, it means they have less commitment to their fans....
Anyway, I don't believe that this surgery will affect the upcoming, twice rescheduled Paris concert.
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D: I almost had a heart attack when i saw the title! I hope he'll be okay T.T surgery can be scary :(
Hopefully this means the end of neck problems.
I doubt that it will. this surgery will probably just help him make it though concerts...after that, who knows..
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I would rather have Yoshiki healthy and able to perform the 'promised' concerts then for him to be in pain and barely able to. but then again.. some people are selfish enough to want the shows with little regard to how the performer is.
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Let see...so that means no concerts for all of August...meaning they have 4 months to preform....13 concerts that were announced at the start of the year....I am starting to think the lack of information from them recently is a good thing, it means they have less commitment to their fans....
Anyway, I don't believe that this surgery will affect the upcoming, twice rescheduled Paris concert.
Is that what Yoshiki means to you? A few concerts? Geesh.. I thought he ment more to his fans than that.
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I'm scared and happy at the same time. I hope his surgery goes well, I'll just be happy if he's okay, even if there are no more concerts...he's been going straight for 20 years after all!
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I totally agree with Ryo-Ohki just what is Yoshiki to someone people. He is a man first and for most a human being he's not super man here. I much rather they not perform until every single member is in the best over all health. I do not say this to offend anyone but a true fan would understand the need for the procedure and wait it out. Not jump to the Paris live screw it being re scheduled "2" times already. "We are X", not we are get upset because something beyond his control flared up and with still a whole "2" months to go before Paris. Yeah I get irate easily when people go on about the concerts over the we being of the members and I know I definitely do not stand alone in my aggravation here!!! So remember its not about the "2" canceled concerts its about the best interest of the men behind the band (X) Japan.
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I agree with Eos, the surgery has a chance of failing so don't get your hopes up just yet. Concerts are concerts, you can't control what happens and neither can Yoshiki. And for those of you who have had any sort of surgery, you know how painful it is when you wake up. You basically have a knife wound. I was in pain for two weeks striat after having my appendix taken out. It's not fun and pain also makes your stomach go sour on you, not a fun experience. The recovery for any small surgery is a month for you to fully heal. This I would assume is a medium surgery because of the thickness of the skin around the area (at the back of the neck) but nevertheless it is still something that takes time to recover from. So he could be out for upwards to two months, then there is the time it takes to practice. So, please people, this is something serious when dealing with nerves. Numbness in the hands is never a good thing. You should support him instead of being selfish and going for the concerts (I don't mean to offend anyone, but it's the truth). Yoshiki has been selfless for the longest time, I think we should allow him to recover so that he can perform for us.
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Hmm..however, I do wonder if it;s going to interfere with the live or not.
(Spare me the trouble and don't even suggest I don't care about him as a person and don't worry about his health cause I don't want to be upset right now. )
I mean, is he actually gonna be able to play till October or not?
Because to me it seems that he won't be...(though I'm not a doctor..)
So if he won't be able to play and if the surgery was planned for at least this past week...then why was the live announced/confimed?...
(And I repeat...don't even try to say I only care about the goddamn live and not about his health cause that's clearly not what I'm saying here and I'm just making sure.)
Anyway, I'm trying to figure out what exactly this operation is cause my mom had a similar one...I think and I'm pretty sure it took her quite a while to be able to move her neck normally...
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http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000051438
Drummer, pianist and X JAPAN band leader, Yoshiki, will undergo neck surgery on Monday, July 27, 2009 at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Beverly Hills, CA. Dr. Neel Anand, Director of the Cedars-Sinai Spine Center, will perform a cervical foraminotomy.
Due to his intense drumming style, Yoshiki developed a worsening of his neck pain and left hand numbness over the past month, affecting his music performance. His condition has been evaluated by doctors in the U.S. and Japan. Yoshiki underwent a spinal x-ray series, an MRI of the spine, and an EMG. After seeking second and third opinions on the diagnosis and treatment, he concluded that the foraminotomy was necessary for the cervical foraminal stenosis.
Yoshiki's primary physician at the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Dr. Tommy H. Tomizawa (UCLA Assistant Professor), states that he will need a few weeks to recover from the surgery and a month or more of rehabilitation. If his condition does not improve over the next several months, laminectomy, discectomy and spinal fusion would be considered. Artificial disc placement would be another treatment of choice.
let me see paris concert is about 3 months left,will he be recover within 3 months?I didn't say that Yoshiki means only concert to me especially,but why he always choose wrong time,I guess here it goes again another excuse for postponement,anyway get well soon,hope after surgery,he'll be healthy and sane enough.
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I meant no offense to anyone, it's just that I see a lot of people who are selfish. If I did offend anyone I am truly sorry, but a lot of fans are more worried about the concert. Recovery does take a long time, I'm still recovering from my surgery that was in April, my body hasn't gotten use to being without an organ yet (-_-) I can't eat most of the foods I could before. So yes recovery time varies from the type of surgery. Since this one has to do with nerves being pinched by a herniated (not sure if I spelled that right but I don't care I'm tired) disk, surgery on the nerves can be very dangerous. I'm more worried about his overall health than anything else.
Again if I offended anyone, I apologize. I'm sure you mean everything with a good heart but there are some people who are indeed impatient.
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I just read this myself; hoping for the best. I was actually wondering when he was going to undergo surgery for it, since it's been on my mind for a while. Let's all give our best wishes.
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He will be back to his workaholic nature in no time! Give or take two or three months. Actually I think he is pretty worried himself, surgery is scary. I was scared too, of course I didn't realise that I was asleep until I woke up in recovery with a tube going down my throat. Talk about scary. Waking up to that. I panicked and then sleep caught up with me. But yeah, I think this isn't his first rodeo and that he'll recover eventually. So my prayers are with him.
And yes, I am critical about this sort of thing. ;D
My love goes out to Yoshiki!
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He will be back to his workaholic nature in no time! Give or take two or three months. Actually I think he is pretty worried himself, surgery is scary. I was scared too, of course I didn't realise that I was asleep until I woke up in recovery with a tube going down my throat. Talk about scary. Waking up to that. I panicked and then sleep caught up with me. But yeah, I think this isn't his first rodeo and that he'll recover eventually. So my prayers are with him.
And yes, I am critical about this sort of thing. ;D
My love goes out to Yoshiki!
I know how you feel. When I had my hysterectomy back in october.. it took me several months to be able to get around like I did before... and even now.. I still have minor issues... and I'm looking at another surgery in the next month or so...
It's a long process, and with selfish fans pressuring him, all he is going to do is try to deliver before he's ready. Just back off you guys and let him recover at his body's pace.. NOT YOURS!
I'm really not trying to be a meanie, but as others have said, there are a lot of fans who are more concerned about shows being done than Yoshiki's health. That isn't fair to him nor is it fair to the band.
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Well said. I actually worry about him a lot. But that is me.
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Damn, I hope he'll be alright, hes had this neck thing for a long time, hopefully this will fix it or at least improve it.
Get well Yoshiki!!!
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Stop worrying about the Paris gig ! It'll happen... you know how he is... he has decided to play in Paris so he will. I think he'll be able to do it as the recrovery should take 1 month
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I wonder why whenever anyone mentions the Paris show, it is considered "not worrying about Yoshiki"? I think it's a normal thing to cross your mind, 4 days after the concert was officially announced and with such a long rehabilitation period ahead. Nevertheless Yoshiki means a lot to me and of course I see that this operation can help him in the long run. Let's hope it works out as planned. :)
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hope everything goes well and YOSHIKI will recover soon.
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The surgery sounds very serious and hopefully it goes well and no further surgery is required. Yoshiki shouldn’t push himself too much immediately afterwards, otherwise it could be that he does more damage and may never be able to play again. I don’t think it will be a miracle cure either and he will never have neck problems again, I think he seriously needs to look after himself more!
I also don’t think he has just chosen to do this. The article says in the last month he has had worsening neck pain and numbness in his left hand, this is never a good thing and quite rightly he has had it checked out and had not only second opinions but third opinions too in order to decide the best course of action. I certainly don’t think he is using this as an excuse to postpone the live, no-one would go into neck surgery unless it was extremely necessary.
The official announcement for the Paris live is on the 3rd of August, this is probably to give enough time to see how the surgery has gone. As others have said, Yoshiki’s health is far more important than any concert and it is important that when and if this goes ahead he is healthy and ready to play.
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I really don´t care if Paris takes place or not, as long as he will be okay and has time enough to recover. And I hope he won´t be stupid and return to the stage too soon. Being paralyzed forever won´t be that funny (or whatever could happen in the end). My best wishes for his health and a quick recovery!
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Blah, we'll just see if he'll be able to play again till then, if not, well, he better gets as healthy as he can before messing around with his body again.
And I was just doing some small researches (...try to find what the hell that surgery is called in german, actually) but it doesn't seem like something SUPER-big. there are other ways of surgery for that problem and this one seems to be the "easiest" one. o_o
Let's hope it will go well!
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I don't care about the concerts att all. If Yoshiki will be fine, I can wait for ten more years D: He's the most important after all.
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Edited the first post, changed the text to a more informative one, there is now a message about this on XJP Official Web Site also, plus a link to the profile of the doctor who's conducting the surgery and a link to more info about the actual procedure, to whoever might be interested.
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Message from Yoshiki to all fans:
"突然こんな報告をすることになってしまってごめんなさい。
前向きな方向に向かうと……自分は信じています。
ＸＪＡＰＡＮの再結成を決めた時からこうなる覚悟は出来ていました。
昨年３月の東京ドームから始まった計１０本のコンサート……必ずしも完璧（かんぺき）とはいえなかったかもしれないけど、１ステージ、１ステージに対して全力を尽くしてきました。
そこでみんなと過ごした時間は……これから何があろうと自分の人生に刻まれた、とても素敵（すてき）な思い出です。
この数週間、日米の著名な先生の方々に体の診断をしていただき......
"もうこれ以上ドラムは不可能です"という言葉から、また"首のディスクを入れ替えて、その後安静にしていれば、将来普通の生活が送れるかもしれない"という診断までさまざまな意見を頂きましたが.....
自分としては....."何でもしますから、もう一度ドラムを叩ける体にして下さい...もう一度ピアノを弾ける体にして下さい....そのためには骨を削ろうが入れ替えようが構いません"と伝えました。
今、手術の数時間前ですが.....自分はこの手術が成功すると信じています。
そして、今決まっているFrance公演を含め、これから発表されるその他の国々、そして日本での公演を.....決行するつもりでいます。
みんなも手術の成功を祈ってね。
うまく言葉に出来ないんだけど.....体が粉々になるその最後の瞬間まで.....自分は音楽を奏で続けます。
～破滅に向かって～（笑）
Love
Yoshiki"
I'm working on a translation...
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Rough Translation:
He talks about his hopes at the start of the reformation of X Japan and his intentions and then talks about his recent problems and receiving medical diagnosis from both American and Japanese doctors.
The doctors said their goal was to repair the damage so that Yoshiki could live a normal life, but he has asked them to make his body so it can play the drums and the piano "once more".
He says that he hopes to play the shows they announced abroad and in Japan and will stand by his word in regard to the now announced Paris concert date and that he intends to carry on.
He asks people to prey for the success of the operation and says that he will keep going until the last moment that his love of music breaks his body into pieces.
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Omg, im worried.....has the surgery ended? im confused about the timing from the other timezone..
his message is so Yoshiki...and has left me with lots of What Ifs =/
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I thought it was a pretty optimistic message... by his standards at least. Sure, there's lots of drama in there, but he speaks about the future optimistically.
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It's about 9:50 in LA right now, so he could still be in surgery or going into it. But as for him working till he can't work anymore (-_-) I'm going to rant about that on Myspace later.
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yeah i meant the drama...just look at the last line..oh well, but it ain't any major surgery eh? so i will just pray he recover and also in time for the concerts!
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The way I see it is that if this surgery is successful we all can enjoy Yoshikis (and X's) music still for many years.. And that's good. Also it would propably make the concerts more likely to happen, since he'd be in shape to play. And what's the most important thing is that Yoshiki himself would get a better/healthier life with less pain, and he could enjoy the things he love (music etc) :)
So I hope Yoshiki all the best and I hope he'll get better soon :)
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I'm kinda scared that he's gonna play whether he is ready or not and that this is gonna end up worse than if he took his time....>_<
Anyway, if I talk any more about my worries and all that I'll sound way too stupid...^^;
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From what I understand the operation began around 3 hours ago.
Here is a full translation, made by my friend Mieko and with a little cleaned up English by me:
"I'm sorry for being so sudden in revealing this news.
I believe that I am heading in a positive direction.
Hopefully this is the resolution to the problems which have became so since the re-formation of X Japan was decided.
I have been doing my best on stage and at the ten concerts which started at Tokyo Dome in March last year, but unfortunately things have not necessarily been perfect.
But regardless, the time that I spent with everyone during those shows are very wonderful memories carved in my life no matter what lays ahead in the future.
I have consulted with both Japanese and American doctors who are famous and skilled in this area of work in the past few weeks,
The wide spectrum of medical opinion I was given ranged from "playing drums is no longer possible" to "normal life will again be possible in the future if the disk of the neck is replaced and is given sufficient time to rest afterwards".
I told them "Please do anything which can be done so that my body is able to play the drums once more. Please make my body able to play the piano once more. I do not care what needs to be done to achieve this, even if it means replacing the part of my neck which is damaged".
I believe that this operation will succeed, even now several hours before the operation.
And furthermore, I will carry out concerts in other countries which are due to be announced in the future aswell as more performances in Japan and the concert in France which is already confirmed.
Please, everybody pray that the surgery is a success.
Though I'm not very good with words,
My body is shattering, and I will keep playing music until the last second.
~Do towards ruin~ (laughter...)
Love
Yoshiki"
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It's 3pm on the East Coast, which means midday on the West Coast, so I don't know really, was the time announced somewhere?
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It's 3pm on the East Coast, which means midday on the West Coast, so I don't know really, was the time announced somewhere?
Yeah, via YM
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Thanks for the news from Yoshiki and the translation!! He does seem to be optimistic about the surgery and the future which is good. I really hope it works and he needs no further surgery. I am still concerned he might rush things and not recover properly though, he really needs to look after himself!!
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let's us cross our fingers and hope that Dr. Anand will have a sucessful OP on Yoshiki.
Then, let's pray Yoshiki will getting better soon! Don't really care if the Paris concert will be on 10.10
or even in next year. The most important thing is, that Yoshiki will get well soon, and he won't suffer with
all those pain anymore. Then, we can talk about the concert date.
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let's us cross our fingers and hope that Dr. Anand will have a sucessful OP on Yoshiki.
Then, let's pray Yoshiki will getting better soon! Don't really care if the Paris concert will be on 10.10
or even in next year. The most important thing is, that Yoshiki will get well soon, and he won't suffer with
all those pain anymore. Then, we can talk about the concert date.
I just wish Yoshiki would see it the same way as you ...
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I hope the operation is a success and that it will relieve him of d sufferings over the years.
Seems unfair sometimes, he who has given so much has to be in such misery.
Well, I hope he won't over-exert during recuperation.
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let's us cross our fingers and hope that Dr. Anand will have a sucessful OP on Yoshiki.
Then, let's pray Yoshiki will getting better soon! Don't really care if the Paris concert will be on 10.10
or even in next year. The most important thing is, that Yoshiki will get well soon, and he won't suffer with
all those pain anymore. Then, we can talk about the concert date.
I just wish Yoshiki would see it the same way as you ...
Very true! I hope he takes the time to really rest and get better. Truly, that's all his fans really want! :P or at least me. *crosses fingers* were all prayin' for you yoshiki <3
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thank you and I am waiting for further update on his OP...
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According to a japanese friend, the operation is a success. I'm like you, I await for news.
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I can't find this news anywhere on Yoshiki Mobile (you need to be signed up or something to have the most recent news?), however:
"It seems that the surgery was successful (source: Yoshiki Mobile)"
From Xradicaldreamers.
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YAY!
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I can't find this news anywhere on Yoshiki Mobile (you need to be signed up or something to have the most recent news?), however:
"It seems that the surgery was successful (source: Yoshiki Mobile)"
From Xradicaldreamers.
That's good to hear. :)
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Ohh Lord help him ;;;;_____________;;;;
I'm so fucking worried......
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News from Yoshiki's staff:
Yoshikiの手術は成功しました。
ただ、彼は左手のしびれはまだあるようです。
彼は、今現在は麻酔によって眠っているようです。
彼は手術中にチューブを喉に入れて人口呼吸をしていたから、
彼がL.A.のスタッフと一瞬しゃべった時には彼の声がガラガラでした。
という情報が入っています。
また、命や中枢神経には別条もなく、無事に手術は終わったようです。
The operation on Yoshiki succeeded.
However, he seems still to have the numbness of the left hand.
He seems to be sleeping by anesthetizing as of now.
When he talked with the staff of L.A. momentarily because he put the tube in the throat while operating and breathed the population, his voice had gotten hoarse.
There is information.
Moreover, there was not something wrong on the life and the central nerve, and either the operation seems to have ended safely.
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im glad =)
not the numbness part though, hrmm shall wait for more information
thanks for the update!
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eeeee Im very happy that everything went alright :D
I wonder what there going to chose to do about the numbness...
I while ago i had a neck injury that left my right arm numb and unusable for months *has to stop fighting people bigger than her* xD...it took a full year of rehabilitation. Unfortunately some things are still never the same.
He seems to have great doctors, so I have hope. But I think his issue is more long term damage that he has created after a long period of time. Sometimes that kind of damage can be more of a problem to fix. I just don't want him to be in pain....:( But he has a million fans and a million moms praying for him...so i have a feeling he'll be okay :)
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I know how he feels! The tube down the throat will make you hoarse beyond beliefe and when you wake up with that thing going down your throat you start coughing really bad. It wasn't fun. But I'm glad he is alright because I was really worried about him.
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Oh thank you! I have been so worried so I'm so happy to hear everything is alright. EXcept for the hand...
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Thanks for the updates. Relieved to know he woke up fine. But the numbness bit is worrying - wonder if it needs another op to fix it ?
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Yoshiki managed to get out of bed and walked for 5 metres according to the new YM message. however, it also mentioned that he's still very weak and that looks to be a hell of a recovery process.
I hope he just focus on the recovery rather than thinking of the upcoming concerts as he could easily get himself back to the hospital again if he tries too hard to get back to shape too soon. I would dread to see him collapse on the stage because it.
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Yoshiki managed to get out of bed and walked for 5 metres according to the new YM message. however, it also mentioned that he's still very weak and that looks to be a hell of a recovery process.
According to the pdf posted earlier, patients can usually get out of bed two hours after the surgery. Hearing Yoshiki walked a mere 5 metres two days later kind of worries me. :-\ It's probably better for him not to do any concerts until next year or so. But I kind of doubt anyone will be able to convince him of this.
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Yoshiki managed to get out of bed and walked for 5 metres according to the new YM message. however, it also mentioned that he's still very weak and that looks to be a hell of a recovery process.
According to the pdf posted earlier, patients can usually get out of bed two hours after the surgery. Hearing Yoshiki walked a mere 5 metres two days later kind of worries me. :-\ It's probably better for him not to do any concerts until next year or so. But I kind of doubt anyone will be able to convince him of this.
I really do hope that would be the case.
- it will make things a lot easier for me :p
- and: PLEASE YOSHIKI, TRY TO RECOVER >>;;;;;
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Yoshiki managed to get out of bed and walked for 5 metres according to the new YM message. however, it also mentioned that he's still very weak and that looks to be a hell of a recovery process.
According to the pdf posted earlier, patients can usually get out of bed two hours after the surgery. Hearing Yoshiki walked a mere 5 metres two days later kind of worries me.
He is Drama-queen and 5 meters is usually what he walks on the stage before colapsing. Don't forget he is Yoshiki.
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*sweatdrop* poor Yo, I know how you feel buddy! I know it's hard...but five meters is enough to make you vomit after surgery. I got out of bed a day after mine and they made me walk down the hall, when I got back to my room I was so dizzy and my stomach was turning violently. So, it's not a laughing matter when you are going to hurl.
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I know this is my first post. I have been lurking a long time and only just joined (finally) but I wanted to step in and say I was surprised by the dismissive comment made about Yoshiki being a Drama Queen. He has certainly had is moments, no doubt about it, but people respond differently, person to person, under anesthetic, (it makes some people violently ill and immobile for days) I know I have not had my spinal column exposed, the bones drilled or the nerves messed with, but I can imagine the level of pain such surgery might cause, because I have had nerve damage in my neck since birth. As well, since it is obvious, considering the level of work Yoshiki san has been involved in over the past year after a ten year hiatus, not just with X but with the orphanage in China as well as JRock Revolution and Yoshiki Mobile and meeting contractual obligations, perhaps the moniker of 'Drama Queen' in this particular situation is unfounded? *ducks the rotten tomatoes and raspberries* lol
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I know this is my first post. I have been lurking a long time and only just joined (finally) but I wanted to step in and say I was surprised by the dismissive comment made about Yoshiki being a Drama Queen. He has certainly had is moments, no doubt about it, but people respond differently, person to person, under anesthetic, (it makes some people violently ill and immobile for days) I know I have not had my spinal column exposed, the bones drilled or the nerves messed with, but I can imagine the level of pain such surgery might cause, because I have had nerve damage in my neck since birth. As well, since it is obvious, considering the level of work Yoshiki san has been involved in over the past year after a ten year hiatus, not just with X but with the orphanage in China as well as JRock Revolution and Yoshiki Mobile and meeting contractual obligations, perhaps the moniker of 'Drama Queen' in this particular situation is unfounded? *ducks the rotten tomatoes and raspberries* lol
You are very right, I've been telling them this from the very beginning. It seems that no one has been through a surgery or any kind of nerve damage. I myself know that surgery, no matter what it is, is a big thing really. One of my friends died during gullbladder surgery. So, anything to do with your health should be taken seriously.
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There is nothing wrong with being a drama queen, but sometimes I wonder if his neck problems are beacouse his falling on the flor exercises on stage.
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Well..come on now....you find it more likely for his injuries to be because of the 'falling' than to actually be from the way he's playing his instruments? I'm not saying one can't get injured while dramatically falling on stage but eh....in this case I think the way he's drumming screams clearly 'OMG....how come your head is still in its place'.
That and...haven't there been countless of reports and videos on how he got that neck injury anyway? Or do you not believe those?..:S
Anyway, I just wanted to post this:
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090730-00000017-sanspo-ent
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Ofcourse his suicidal druming has a lot with it but those falling on the flors aren't that inocent. People are breaking their bones from falls like that.
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I am not sure of the HTML for the board yet, so will just 'quote' myself: Where I said "As well, since it is obvious, considering the level of work Yoshiki san has been involved in over the past year after a ten year hiatus, not just with X but with the orphanage in China as well as JRock Revolution and Yoshiki Mobile and meeting contractual obligations, perhaps the moniker of 'Drama Queen' in this particular situation is unfounded?" ...it should read after, "and meeting contractual obligations"... that he is exhausted, so perhaps the moniker of...blah blah blah. Sorry.
obi325, I hope no offense was taken. Having spent inordinately too much time in hospital watching over my own son for reasons similar to Yoshiki's, I just really want to support Yoshiki san and help him to get better.
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obi325, for me your post sounded very inconsiderate and unfair towards Yoshiki. It sounded as if he would only walk this 5 meter after his surgery for the sake of drama. And that is hard for me to believe.
And I don´t believe his neck injuries are the result of any falls on stage, but really more because of his drumming style.
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I just wrote what was on top of my head after reading this:
patients can usually get out of bed two hours after the surgery.
obi325, I hope no offense was taken.
None taken
And i to hope i didn't offend anyone.
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i really hope that yoshi is okay. i acctually cried when i read the news.... i dont care if i never see X live, as long as my darling yoshiki is okay !!
@FAESTIAN-- welcome to the boards
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Yoshiki will be okay, he isn't a weak willed person. As a matter, he is stronger than he looks. And more devious too.
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Yoshiki will be okay, he isn't a weak willed person. As a matter, he is stronger than he looks. And more devious too.
Devious??? Umm don't know what that's all about, but he is a very strong willed individual and yeah he will be great over time. He's just taking perhaps a little longer to get the healing process started than would us younger ones. Were all different and no one knows their body 100%. So let's just keep up with our warm prayers and get well wishes and I am sure he'll be in rockin shape in no time :D!!!
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What I mean by devious is that he is 'the evil mastermind perfectionist' and is always looking for ways to take over the world ne? ;D I mean come on, he's Yoshiki, no matter what I can't see him as a weak person or a horrible person either. I know he's alright. You just have to look on the bright side and stop worrying so much. Crying isn't going to help.
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What I mean by devious is that he is 'the evil mastermind perfectionist' and is always looking for ways to take over the world ne? ;D I mean come on, he's Yoshiki, no matter what I can't see him as a weak person or a horrible person either. I know he's alright. You just have to look on the bright side and stop worrying so much. Crying isn't going to help.
Oh crying your the one who spazzed out and cried haha come on your such a worry wart. Yes and that's "Evil Mastermind Fucking Perfectionist" (remember with Yoshiki one must always include his favorite America word :P!) So yeah ... I do worry how can I not its Princess.
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I'm sorry if I happen to care a lot about a friend....geez. That is EMFPerfectionist. gotta love him
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I'm sorry if I happen to care a lot about a friend....geez. That is EMFPerfectionist. gotta love him
A PM would have been better for that little piece of information but yes of course EMFPerfectionist and of course nothing but mad love <3
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I don't think Yoshiki should be so concerned about commitments for X Japan. He has his own life and his own well being to think for first. I wish all the best and good health to him.
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any further news on his operation ??
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i agree with ben 100 percent !! he has his own life to worry about. maybe us fans are being too selfish ?
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From what I understand from Yoshiki mobile subscribers, his condition is pretty bad right now. He's still very weak from the operation and the numbness doesn't seem to have subsided.
I know someone who had a similar surgery to remove numbness apparently it takes a long time to get better, and almost always a small ammount remains (i.e. in the finger tips or thumb etc). The rehabilitation takes a very long time, I don't think he'll be picking up drum sticks until September at least.
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omg. thats horrible. not playing drums is goin to drive him crazy!!!
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I don't think he can wait till september >>;;;
You all know him.
Well I hope he'll be clever and rest. But then again, it's Yoshiki. You never know.
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we all know his idea of resting is almost the eXact opposite. lol
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we all know his idea of resting is almost the eXact opposite. lol
Indeed its like the exact opposite, here's just hoping he takes the advice and rest (as if he isn't told to enough) he likes to not think things though all the way sometimes when is in his best interest. He's extremely devoted to what he does and those who support him so his common sense doesn't always seem to react to his untimely situations.
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Well..come on now....you find it more likely for his injuries to be because of the 'falling' than to actually be from the way he's playing his instruments? I'm not saying one can't get injured while dramatically falling on stage but eh....in this case I think the way he's drumming screams clearly 'OMG....how come your head is still in its place'.
That and...haven't there been countless of reports and videos on how he got that neck injury anyway? Or do you not believe those?..:S
Anyway, I just wanted to post this:
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090730-00000017-sanspo-ent
Okay... WE ALL know that he had the fall where he fractured bones in his neck. There is quite a difference in a 'staged fall' and one that is totally unanticipated. Rose, are you even a fan??? Do you have half a strand of heart fiber to give to this man or do you only care about what he can do for the fans?
All I've seen you blather on and on about is "lives, lives, lives...."
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I know this is my first post. I have been lurking a long time and only just joined (finally) but I wanted to step in and say I was surprised by the dismissive comment made about Yoshiki being a Drama Queen. He has certainly had is moments, no doubt about it, but people respond differently, person to person, under anesthetic, (it makes some people violently ill and immobile for days) I know I have not had my spinal column exposed, the bones drilled or the nerves messed with, but I can imagine the level of pain such surgery might cause, because I have had nerve damage in my neck since birth. As well, since it is obvious, considering the level of work Yoshiki san has been involved in over the past year after a ten year hiatus, not just with X but with the orphanage in China as well as JRock Revolution and Yoshiki Mobile and meeting contractual obligations, perhaps the moniker of 'Drama Queen' in this particular situation is unfounded? *ducks the rotten tomatoes and raspberries* lol
Who.. would dare call him a drama queen? *hands out baseball bats* How bout a game of T-Ball???
I think it's just sickening that people are STILL raving about lives being postponed/canceled, whatnot.
It's even more irritating that some here seem to think that this surgery and recovery is Yoshiki's idea of a 'vacation'. I can think of ways that would be a hell of a lot better to take a break than having my cut open and bones and such worked on!!!! Do you have any idea the level of pain he lives with on a daily basis? That is one strong man there ladies and gentlemen, weather you believe it or not. There are times he's on stage, smiling like nothing is bothering him.. and you know he's got to be in as much pain as a woman delivering a baby (without drugs).
Some of the members here are about to make me sick. I'm glad for the precious few like Faestian and a few others who have the backbone to stand up for Yoshiki. God knows most of you are still sitting in the basement!
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I'm trying to figure out what my reaction to this should be.
So far....I only get *facepalm* which I think is enough to summarize everything I'm feeling.
Your siggy says you're a Yoshiki fangirl.... somehow I doubt that
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As far as Yoshiki being in pain, yes he is in a lot of pain, even though the surgery is over. He can't bend his neck around at all without feeling something really painful. I seriously hopes he takes the advice given to him and takes the recovery slow. But we all know that in Yoshiki world, everything is get it done, gotta do this, gotta do that.
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I may not be a huge X fan anymore, but that doesn't matter right now.
We, as fans, should be grateful and happy that he can even walk and move. Who cares if he can't play a live? Would you rather him play the live and end up in a wheelchair for the rest of his life?
Would that make you people happy?
Seeing him destroy himself for your entertainment?
Surgery like this isn't something you have done and brush it off like a little cut...This is delicate and dangerous. Dealing with any part of the spine has potential for disaster.
so stop worrying if he can play a show or even just play drums, and worry about if he can recover and be pain-free.
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That's it I am just going to up and say it it makes me sick to see comments like this form his fan base people like ROP84 Yeah I am going to say something. I've been blessed with calling Yoshiki a friend for the last year and half after getting the chance to meet him and go over some work related things. He is a man dedicated to doing everything he can to meet the promises and demands he sets up for himself and those of the fans supporting him. He is so passionate about all you guys/us who support what he does it makes my heart break to see reaction like this form people. Take if form someone who actually knows him he is in a great deal of pain and he is focused on one thing that's delivering to you the fans. He takes none of this lightly and this intervention procedure was not only done for him to be able to continue to do what he loves playing and creating his music his art for all of you but to also allow him to lead a life not full of pain with the results of past injuries flaring up to compromise him. He always performs to the best of his ability and he is always sincere in his words to fans. So step the fuck off and grow an actual heart!
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HOLY HELL THANK GOD YOU SAID THAT! Do you know how long I've been waiting for you to say something Eos? We both know how much pain he has been in for over a year now. So, please respect him for what he is doing.
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HOLY HELL THANK GOD YOU SAID THAT! Do you know how long I've been waiting for you to say something Eos? We both know how much pain he has been in for over a year now. So, please respect him for what he is doing.
Seriously that's because you wait for me to take the lead in everything dearest Michi. <3!!! Glad I am not the only one to acknowledge two is better than one when making a point.
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*dies* Why can't they just get it? Why? I mean come on...it's not hard. He is in pain and will be for a while. He does everything he can and I hope he does what the doctors tell him (he is not good at taking orders :-\ ) I am going to torture him if he does something really dumb.
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Dun worry, there're lots of people who get it. Just ignore the idiots.
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We ignore them but they seem to keep popping up.
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Right ignore the idiots we will just got word, he's in hell of a lot of pain still can't move his neck wont be able to for sometime. Let's keep the love up it will help him get better faster. We all know love is the greatest healer!!! <3
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Love makes the world go round.....okay this is getting to the point where I'm becoming what I hate the most.....I'm trying to be positive here and be happy, but I just can't seem to stay that way without wanting to beat something. Yoshiki is going to get better just the noisy need to lay off the stress causing nonsense.
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o_o;;;;
actually, I didn't have the impression that there were that many people thinking only about the lives and not caring about yoshiki's health... most comments here actually were supporting, saying they wouldn't care about postponements and rather see yoshiki getting better again. Or maybe I have an automatic filter for ignorant comments, dunno. :P
anyway, let's just hope for some GOOD news soon. :)
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From what I know, which is the fact that he is in pain and is needing some kind of pain killer that borders on the side of knock out status, just so he can sleep properly. I know he'll be more than okay in the long run, he just needs time, sleep, and patience. Otherwise this whole thing will happen all over again.
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Uhhhh *looks around* Ok right yeah anyway stop worrying he's going to be fine Michi. Just fine and resting and recuperating anyway yeah everything is going to be fine!!! <3 ;)
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Well..come on now....you find it more likely for his injuries to be because of the 'falling' than to actually be from the way he's playing his instruments? I'm not saying one can't get injured while dramatically falling on stage but eh....in this case I think the way he's drumming screams clearly 'OMG....how come your head is still in its place'.
That and...haven't there been countless of reports and videos on how he got that neck injury anyway? Or do you not believe those?..:S
Anyway, I just wanted to post this:
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090730-00000017-sanspo-ent
Okay... WE ALL know that he had the fall where he fractured bones in his neck. There is quite a difference in a 'staged fall' and one that is totally unanticipated. Rose, are you even a fan??? Do you have half a strand of heart fiber to give to this man or do you only care about what he can do for the fans?
All I've seen you blather on and on about is "lives, lives, lives...."
DID YOU EVEN READ WHAT I WROTE FFS?
That was my goddamn reply to THIS:
There is nothing wrong with being a drama queen, but sometimes I wonder if his neck problems are beacouse his falling on the flor exercises on stage.
I know how he hurt his neck and I do not believe it has anything to do with the staged falls. I was actually replying to someone but apparently YOU FAILED TO NOTICE THAT.
As for the *facepalm* comment, you have no idea what I meant with it. Nor should you have one at any rate. Facepalm doesn't explain much anyway.
If you think that I don't care about his health or that I don't worry about him...well, OK.....you don't know me personally, you haven't ever talked to me and I cannot persuade you anyway.
I care about the stupid loive because I think that it will hurt him emotionally if for some reason he won;t be able to play.
Do I think that this is more important than his body's health? No.
But I do believe it might seem more important to him.
I've never had the chance to meet him personally but from all the things I have learned so far, what I have understood is that when he says 'I'm gonna play 'till I'm not capable of playing anymore' and things like 'Without music, I'm nothing' he really DOES mean it.
And if I'm not mistaken I only mentioned anything about the live ONCE and it was because I was surprised that even though the operation was scheduled for Monday the 27th, there was still an announcement about the live a few days ago. I can discuss whether I think the live will happen or not and STILL care about his health, you know? It's actually possible.
And I repeat again, you have no goddamn idea whether I care or not....
Or should I also start posting about how much I'm angsting about it and whether I've cried or not and whether I think of it 24/7 or not just so that you can say 'oh, she cares as well'...?
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Chronic pain can be fought. Yoshiki proved this for almost 2 decades before he conceded the battle. Extreme or acute pain makes us fragile. I know both of these truths 1st hand. Shock from surgery doubles our fragility. Reactions to drugs can triple it. Being told, "This is how you will feel after your surgery." And actually feeling it? Worlds apart. By his own admission, Yoshiki san was trepidatious (read: scared) but determined about this procedure. He is aware of what rests on the outcome. His dedication to his fans feeds the tension and pressure, two things he can't really afford during the healing process. Not that he is capable of thinking any other way. Yoshiki san's friends here on the board know of his condition, (which sounds about right considering the years his spine was compressed) I am extremely thankful for Eos and Michiko's reports and I hope we will see more. My 85 year old mother, who lives with me at this time, had similar damage done to 3 vertebrae in her lumbar spine a little over two decades ago. Trust me, you do not want to know what this could do to Yoshiki if he doesn't A: get the rest and care he needs and B: take the proper care he needs of himself as he recuperates. As a driven man, there are going to be some extremely, overwhelmingly, difficult times for him. I am sure there are going to be some very real and perhaps explosive moments of utter fury and frustration during his recovery period. Knowing what I have gone through with my Mother over the years since her injury, Yoshiki is going to need understanding, love, patience, and honest support. I only wish I was familiar enough that I could be there to help. Love really does help us heal, so does laughter and distraction. If we know what makes him laugh, we need to get him laughing. He has given so much to us over the years, this is our opportunity to give back in some small way. And to Yoshiki san...the time for focus will come, Gorgeous sama, but it must be tempered with R&R. Be a little easier on yourself, if only for now.
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Laughing eh? He chuckles right now. I said something funny to him and he said to stop because it hurt to almost laugh. I think I was talking about Pata and cats (I have too many and I don't want to get rid of any, so I told him I would take my cats to Pata and move in) he actually did a little 'haha' reply back and then said 'it hurts to almost laugh' even though the reply came five minutes later.
I wish everyone could completely understand him, there are very few who do and actually know what he's been through. He keeps saying he'll go till he can't move or fall apart, that is how he is, but he is also very loving and he is just a man who has a lot of problems like the rest of us. Don't get me wrong he is an amazing person and a musical genius, but he is first and foremost, a human being and a man. Not all people can go through the pain he is going through (except for us women who are able or willing to bear children :P ) sometimes he said it would be so bad he would pass out from it. The sad truth is we would be talking to him and he would go silent, we knew that it was pain again. We hate that he is in the studio all the time and never sleeps (SLEEP DAMMNIT!!!) because sleep is what makes people happy, just ask Pata. Even now he has issues with sleeping.
Please people if your going to complain about something, complain about politics. Not wether or not there is going to be a live in Paris (I'm sure I've said this a dozen times), Yoshiki will definatly let you know what he plans to do, right now he plans to recover and go home. He would also like your loving support and not to be bugged about it because most of the time right now, he is grumpy and doesn't want to hear about it in the first place. So please respect what he has gone through (how many times do I have to say it) it hurts a lot. And yes he does need to laugh so send him something funny to laugh at, even though it hurts to laugh but that is a good thing.
okay I think I am done ranting and repeating myself (holy crap that was brain shattering when I just woke up)
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Michiko, I think everyone understood that noone should complain about the lives and that Yoshiki has a hard time right now. there's no need to repeat it 304957 times, okay? :/
No offence, okay? :) *pats head*
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:D I need a vacation....your right. I'm like....worried beyond belief. *is very Neurotic* I think I need to take someones advice and take a chill pill (yes mr. spock, I will chill)
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Thanks, anyway there has been a lot of things being thrown around that are inconsiderate and I apologize if me standing up and saying something finally bothers some people. It has no effect on me I do it because its how I am and I care about things said about people I care about that I know is hurtful, spiteful, and just plain ridiculous. I certainly don't sit here for just myself when asked to be a voice on the forums either. Faestian thanks for the line acknowledging myself and Michiko were finally speaking up because yes we're concerned and want people to know whats up and we're asked to since were on here to speak for someone who can't. Neither of us just woke up one day and decided to start mega posting on this thread it's request and the right for us to bear free speech with that. I may have tipped the personal feelings scale with some of my responses (I'm not to sure what I've written falls where) despite that, I am someone who greatly respects Yoshiki and what he does and who he is as a person. I am sorry if my own emotions come out in these reply do I cry fuck yes I do. I do when I hear form him and see he's in pain so sue me its human nature I cry for any friend who is in pain and going through a difficult time Yoshiki is not excluded form that. I don't sit here and look at him like "WOW ITS YOSHIKI" no I look at him as an equal beacuse were all equal no one is above anyone else and he say's this all the time, and form that I guess I am able to feel emotional on his condition. Fuck if I am emo on it in some cases I may be a friend first fan second and I will react as such and no I may not know some of you persoanly, but peoples words and expressions say a lot about them don't forget that.
End of my rant yeah Michi make him laugh its good and I'll pay the fee to Fed - Ex all your cat's to Pata YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM ENOUGH!!! I think he would like them him and cats go great together.
Once again my apologies if this offends or sets anyone off I am just a real person expressing their thoughts and concerns like the rest of you. Sometimes that creates disagreements with others again (my apologies). I'm not going to change how I am or how I respond I'm me and if it's an issue then it is what it is.
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*deep breath* please take the cats. Pata will feed them and love them.
And I apologize if I sounded like a broken record....my brain has died on me according to several people.
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Erm….ok, don’t hate me but am I the only one to find all this a bit weird?
As far as I can see most of the posters (unless I can’t see half the posts) here have been extremely concerned about Yoshiki’s condition and don’t care what happens with the lives as long as Yoshiki is ok. Many of us (myself included) are not lucky enough to know Yoshiki in person but that certainly does not mean we do not care about how he is doing or feeling. I for one, wish only the best for Yoshiki, neck and back pain is a terrible thing and I hope he takes the time to get better and recover well from this surgery - I don’t care about the lives. The only thing that matters is that he happy and healthy.
Anyhow, I don’t mean to anger anyone or offend anyone. I know there are people out there who are heartless, but please do not tar everyone with the same brush as most of us are nice people who only want the best for Yoshiki!!!
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Michiko and Eos, I have to say right now I agree with you. I'm more concerned about him and him recovering.. I know this was a very serious surgery, and I pray that he is able to get much better.
I don't quite know what to say about certain things... but I do wish him a speedy recovery and I think I'll fix up a card to send him.
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This topic is getting more and more irritating to read.
Please, only talk about Yoshiki's recovery and don't bash on each other for ridiculous reasons.
ThanX in advance.
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Important information: I can't say this with a 100% certainty, but most probably, Eos and Michiko aren't friends with Yoshiki. I can say for certain though, that if any of you have been privately invited to chat with Yoshiki (I know of two incidents, if someone has also 'chatted with Yoshiki', please let me know), then you have been seriously duped, unless Yoshiki and Eos have the same IP.
If they can provide me with adequate proof, I'm willing to withdraw my accusations and apologize. If they keep to their story without providing any proof, I'm willing to take this through more official channels. I might not be a personal friend of Yoshiki, but I'm sure I'll figure out a way to get in touch with someone from the upper echelons, specially as this looks like a tough case of impersonating quite a famous individual.
I will be waiting for your reply.
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I wonder how it ever got this far.
Lets just hope he recovers and be able to fulfill not only our wish, but also his personal wish to get rid of the pain and play Paris in October. If the live wont be possible, we'll understand and bear absolutely no grudge!
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I'm not going to comment on the last couple of posts myself, only out of respect to these fans here, even if I don't agree.
Anyway, for his health, with such a major operation, he will need alot of time to recover.
Of course fans might be disappointed, but they need to remember Yoshiki is not a machine, he is human like every one of us, and just like anybody else, if they have accident and can't work for many months, it is the same for Yoshiki.
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I'm not going to comment on the last couple of posts myself, only out of respect to these fans here, even if I don't agree.
Anyway, for his health, with such a major operation, he will need alot of time to recover.
Of course fans might be disappointed, but they need to remember Yoshiki is not a machine, he is human like every one of us, and just like anybody else, if they have accident and can't work for many months, it is the same for Yoshiki.
Excellent point, ben. Thanks! :-)
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Yeah,guys please don't fight anymore,I think that's already enough flame wars in every X Japan discussions,don't add no more.Of course,I feel sympathy for Yoshiki,and I am wishing for his health too,and watching his condition that keeps worsen than last year,I really think he should retire,it's for his own good.
Though I couldn't lie that I was upset but I was worried as well,I was upset because there's like gazillion questions as why Yoshiki didn't take surgery from last year (his neck problem is not a new thing),why he didn't take surgery after Taiwan concert?etc etc.But I do care about him.I just wish that he really do care for himself,for his fans and X Japan fans cause there's lots of his loyal fans that still care and defend him.
And as for Eos,I am not saying that you're lying about knowing Yoshiki.But if its true,I just like to say that having 1 or 2 meeting,or exchanging a few conversations wouldn't make someone knows other's people characters enough.
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I read somewhere that Yoshiki is still paralyzed in his left hand/arm and is relying on a wheelchair because of difficulties in getting around. At status quo, he's still having problems, probably slightly more than what he did before the surgery.
I don't think this really is the time to fight about anything.. especially bringing up lives... as that is where the heart of the bickering is. I don't care if anything with X happens within the next year or not, depending on how Yoshiki is doing. Right now.. he needs our support and our care to get through this, not our arguing.
Please... let's concentrate on praying for him to have a speedy recovery and proper healing.... okay ya'll?
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Um.....IMO it's natural to be in such a situation after a surgery that happened a few days ago. He should take his time to heal, and he'll be fine :)
and Ryo-Ohki, as long as everyone can have their opinion about this issue and respect the other's without being preoccupied there won't be any fights. :)
Get well soon Princess!!We are all praying for ya!
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And as for Eos,I am not saying that you're lying about knowing Yoshiki.But if its true,I just like to say that having 1 or 2 meeting,or exchanging a few conversations wouldn't make someone knows other's people characters enough.
I would like to say on behalf of my friend, that we are concerned about Yoshiki and wether or not we know him and if it is really him, that is my business to clean up. I made a bad judgment call. I request that this not be bought up again as in the fact that nothing can be done about it anyway. Doing so would cause stress. It is bad enough that Eos keeps getting pointed out just because she is defending someone she and I care about. I'm sorry to say this, and I don't care if it gets me flamed or kicked off the forums, but no one should have to prove anything. Just by the way it was handled does not make any sense, it is also low on a fans part. There are the few people on this forum that I see actually caring about what is happening. I've said this over and over again, forget about the concerts and lives, we all know what is happening. As a true fan you would respect that. I offer my apologies if I offend anyone. I am mearly speaking the truth. Eos was getting annoyed by how some people reacted to the news and so she spoke up as well as I did. That does not mean you have to accuse and point her out, it is wrong.
If you have any further comments feel free to PM me.
And I pray that Yoshiki does what he thinks is right for his health.
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Michiko, i'm sorry if I sound offensive in this part but...IMO no one has the right to judge who "cares enough" about Yoshiki or who is a "true fan", or at least these kind of judgements shouldn't be done in a public forum of an X fandom in this way. I believe that the administrator is right, because you might believe it's your own business, but when you post it on a public forum of an X Japan fandom it's another story. Of course, i can't be sure about the policies, but this is also a way to protect even you from any trouble in case there's an impostor.
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I'm not saying anyone is less of a fan because they seem to care less... what I want to stop is the ranting about lives. Yoshiki had the surgery to help him.. to make it easier for him to live his daily life but also so maybe he can continue his carrer.
Yu~Kun.. I respect your opinion... and I think you understand what I'm trying to say. I don't think anyone who thinks the lives should happen are lesser fans... I just think that at this time, it's rather callous.
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I certainly understand what's your problem, but you see i believe that the people here can talk about the lives and STILL care about his health...it's just a simple discussion, nobody flamed Yoshiki for being in such a state :)
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I might be a little behind, but I had to study the spinal cord a lot with the last few years, it's one of the major subjects on the Higher Level Biology course. It's a relatively quick operation, but there are an amount and a half of possible side effects and risks with having the operation.
My uncle had to have a similar operation about three years ago, the risk included bad reaction to the anaesthetic, the usual risks with having an operation (infection, super bug, prolonged hospital stay...ect) but also seemed it concerned the spinal cord and a lot of nerves there were also the risks of nerve damage, leading to possible facial disfiguration, problems with mobility. Just a lot of crazy risks that made you wonder did the ends really justify the means.
My uncle went through it, took a good few weeks for him to recover, but he's fine now. I hope Yoshiki takes the time he actually needs to heal. There's not really much point in going through an operation like this with it's risks and evident discomfort and pain, just to rush back into anything and end up back at square one again.
Forget about lives, forget about concerts. Take time out to look after yourself.
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Forget about lives, forget about concerts. Take time out to look after yourself.
Exactly MY opinion. I really hope Yoshiki gets it too - or has some people around him who will beat it into him til he finally gets the point ;)
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Should have someone standing by with to whack him with a flyswatter if he refuses to rest up. I can wait for him.
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Forget about lives, forget about concerts. Take time out to look after yourself.
Exactly MY opinion. I really hope Yoshiki gets it too - or has some people around him who will beat it into him til he finally gets the point ;)
Thirded.
Concerts can be held any day, Yoshiki's health is something rather fragile.
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Forget about lives, forget about concerts. Take time out to look after yourself.
Exactly MY opinion. I really hope Yoshiki gets it too - or has some people around him who will beat it into him til he finally gets the point Wink
Thirded.
Concerts can be held any day, Yoshiki's health is something rather fragile.
Fourths the above, and thank you Sweets for more info on the operation and the spinal chord. And Thanks for the laugh Juno42. The idea of someone swatting him with a flyswatter each time he gets too big for his britches is a great visual. Visions of Bart and Lisa's "Ow! Quit it." skit from the Simpson's come to mind.
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I hope, He'll be fine..
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Ryo-Ohki wrote:
Okay... WE ALL know that he had the fall where he fractured bones in his neck. There is quite a difference in a 'staged fall' and one that is totally unanticipated.
I agree 100% with the latter half of this quote, but most ashamedly admit that I do not know the details of the fall wherein he injured his neck. The shame in this is having done hours of research on the band for an article in an independent magazine without finding anything concrete in English. A vague date was all I was able to find, and the outcome of the injury. I don't yet read Japanese although I am studying it at this time. May I ask, dozo, what DID happen?
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And Thanks for the laugh Juno42. The idea of someone swatting him with a flyswatter each time he gets too big for his britches is a great visual.
You are welcome. I always felt that part of a fan's duty to a celebrity, once their success reaches a certain magnitude, is ego control. Maybe a lot of todays artist would go of an get into drug induced stupidity if their fanbase smacked them down and said "Hey! You're being a dumbass, knock it off." Yoshiki's behaved himself, for the most part.
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I agree 100% with the latter half of this quote, but most ashamedly admit that I do not know the details of the fall wherein he injured his neck. The shame in this is having done hours of research on the band for an article in an independent magazine without finding anything concrete in English. A vague date was all I was able to find, and the outcome of the injury. I don't yet read Japanese although I am studying it at this time. May I ask, dozo, what DID happen?
Well, if I'm not mistaken, he had a fall during a Dahlia Tour concert...I think they had to cancel shows on the tour and the next one that he could play was actually the Dahlia Tour Final, which was when he started wearing the neck brace after doctors recommendations. Please correct me if I am wrong!
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He didn't have a fall.....he was hurt from the way he plays.
Or at least, that's what I've been reading all those years.
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He didn't have a fall.....he was hurt from the way he plays.
Or at least, that's what I've been reading all those years.
Ah that's right! Opps :P, just found this on a random site also....sound correct?
In 1995 he let his hair cut short and started to wear less provocating clothes.
On the stage he gave everything and he often fell from the higher part of the stage where the drums were located. In 1996 during the Dahlia Tour he couldn't play to the end of the show and had to go to a hospital because of his backbone. The docter warned him that he should be more carefull and that he had eventually to stop playing drums. Yoshiki continued to play but he wears a special neck-support.
source: http://www.xjapan.de/members/yoshiki/yoshiki.htm
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source: http://www.xjapan.de/members/yoshiki/yoshiki.htm
I'm newbie, lurking in this webboard for sometimes. Finally, I would like to share my information.
His backbone problems haven't related to any falling stage he got on 1990s, but his drumming style. It's developed to herniated disc. I think the official announcement has stated clearly and Yoshiki also interview about his condition in detail on 1995 - 1996 when he canceled Dahlia Tour. I wish this article would be translated in English. Maybe, I should work on it. :P
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Thanks KRazyJess, I remember reading about this from another site but couldn't remember the specific details.
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The repeated fallings along the years were most likely because of pain and being worn out and out of breath. Yoshiki drums like crazy and we all know that. He drums himself into exhaustion. Maybe there was some drama, too, but it annoys me when people think it's all drama. And I doubt it really had anything to do with his injury.
I was watching an interview with him on Youtube and the presenter asked him if all those falls are real or simply a performance and his reply was that it was "50% real and 50% a performance" which was also what I always believed.
After the reunion, we all know he didn't want to use it anymore. He trained a lot to be able to not use it.
Ah but....he did try to 'replace' it with all those leather necklaces he was using, right?...XD
That thick leather necklace he was wearing in most of the lives after the reunion...I'm sure he tried to use that as a smaller neck brace or something. Hell, in one live (either the Hong Kong one or the May 3rd one...not sure) he wasn't wearing it for a big part of the live and then suddenly he started wearing it again...^^;;;
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I know his drumming will have a lot to do with his back pain, but it is also important to remember that many of us have bad backs just down to evolution! I remember in a biology lecture a few years back, the lecturer was talking about the human skeletal structure and basically why so many people have bad backs is down the fact we walk on two legs rather than four like we originally did (many many years ago!!) There is a bit more information here (http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1427159120070715?&pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0).
Also, a lot of it is down to genetics as to why some people are more affected by back pain than others. I myself have a bad back -I am only 23 and I haven’t had any major accidents or anything that would result in a bad back so I reckon it’s mainly down to genetics (lucky me!). There has been some research into this (not a lot though) and there are indications that genetics play a big role. Scientists have been analysing twins with differences in lifestyle and jobs to see if it is all down to bad posture/lifting heavy things etc or if genetics play a part and preliminary results show that genetics play a bigger role than was previously expected and that many people will get back pain just due to genetics regardless of their job/lifestyle. More info here (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/04/080408160636.htm).
So, yes, whilst Yoshiki’s drumming plays a major factor in his back pain I also think some of it could just be down to evolution and genetics and he could have suffered from back pain if he just had an everyday office job. As a fellow back pain sufferer I don’t think its fair to blame his drumming entirely for his back pain, as often things can trigger back pain that you would not even expect. I got stuck the other day standing up from a chair as I somehow (no idea how!) jerked my back or something and the pain was so bad I couldn’t move for 5 minutes!
Anyway, sorry for rambling on!! These are just my thoughts too, obviously I don’t know the whole situation and I could be way off, but its just an interesting idea that some of his back pain could be down to evolution/genetics - factors which are way beyond his control. Obviously, it is still important to look after yourself and not unnecessarily strain your back as that would also result in back pain!!
Regardless of what the cause is, back pain is a terrible thing, so I hope he is doing better and the surgery has helped!!!
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Thank you all for the info. Having just written an extensive article on X for a local indie magazine where I live, I knew some of the info but admit I was digging for more detailed intel. It seems it was in December 1990 that he herniated several discs in his neck, collapsing while still in LA. He had been passing out before then from a condition quoted as:
'neurocirculatory dystonia', “a disease caused by the changes in vascular tone and reactivity due to dysfunction of vasomotor centers (both central and peripheral) of congenital constitution or acquired character, caused by endogenous and exogenous risk factors.”
It is so hard to get solid reliable 'facts' here in the West and/or in Europe. That is why I am studying Japanese. As the freelnance JRock reporter for Alt: Rock Culture and Lifestyle Magazine, I think I need to learn the language so I can give more reliable coverage.
Thanks again everyone. All my best to Yoshiki san. *rushes off to send him well wishes at other thread.*
Some ofthe info given above was gleened directly from this article: http://www.jrockrevolution.com/webzine/feature-articles/113-the-jrock-legend-x-japan.html (http://www.jrockrevolution.com/webzine/feature-articles/113-the-jrock-legend-x-japan.html) and from http://www.psychiatry.ua/eng/eng045.htm (http://www.psychiatry.ua/eng/eng045.htm)
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Did you guys notice?
His 'last log in' date in myspace says August 15th now.
There are no blog updates or anything but I suppose if he's checking his myspace he is actually getting better? <3 <3
*happy/hopeful/yay*
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It's possible that the management checked in to delete spam and accept friends requests etc.
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I would agree with Hypno, except I recall seeing an English interview with Yoshiki in 2007 where he said he was debating whether to hire staff to maintain his MySpace. When he said this, he was told by the interviewer that his fans wanted him to maintain it personally. His reaction was an exhausted sigh of defeat. Sadly, I can't seem to find these files anymore to post for everyone. It was an interview about the 3 days upcoming at Tokyo Dome in May 2008. Yoshiki san was wearing a white shirt in the interview.He had just announced in Japanese that the Tokyo Dome dates would stand, then crossed the hall to do the English interview. I had the files on my hard drive until I had to reformat. If anyone recalls these interviews and has them saved or knows where they are posted, I would love links, (if they aren't like most of Yoshiki's links now and haven't been removed for content violation.) Since that interview was in 2007 and the MySpace site is still not being consistently maintained, something tells me he took the interviewer's words to heart and he still (doesn't) maintain it himself which gives me hope he did check in in August. Just speculation on my part though. ;D
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http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=26797185
That interview, I guess?
Um...and yeah I kinda doubt he still takes care of it himself, unfortunately :(
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i really hope he'll be ok
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But if the staff had been taking care of it, wouldn't there had been more frequent log ins? i mean, before this one, the last one was in the beginning of july T.T
although in the end, I'd still be really surprised if he was still taking care of it xD
anyway, I hope hes doing okay :D he really does concern me....
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Yes, AsukaMiyu!That is the one, and thank you so much. Erm...did I mention I am dyslexic? Yeah, that's shirt's white...isn't it? *sigh* My brain and I have a tense living arrangement sometimes. lol.
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According to JapanToday (http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/yoshiki-recovering-from-back-surgery-reveals-fans-will-benefit-in-his-will), Yoshiki revealed that "he has prepared his will given the risks involved with his spinal injuries, and that nearly one quarter of his assets will be used for the benefit of his long-term fans."
The article also talked about his health condition, stating that "... he revealed that he would have to get the disc replaced within the next three years, and that if nerve damage in his arm did not heal in the next two years, then it would be permanent. He said doctors cautioned him on his drumming practice which will resume next month, telling him not to raise his arms too high, not to twist his body left and right, and not to use anything heavier than one kilogram."
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I have read and reread this about 5 times and still am not sure how to process it. Should I be happy that he is finally taking responsible steps to set his affairs in order, or uncomfortable because of the very real chance of a 'worst case scenario' during further surgery. So difficult to absorb. And telling him what to do while drumming and having any artist do what does not come naturally during the 'high' of performing? I openly admit, I am terrified that he has decided to continue drumming and won't feel any less so until I have seen first hand that he can handle the load. Yes, I may be blowing it WAAAAY out of proportion, but until I see or hear the results of his premier concert performance post surgery, I am going to be concerned.
Blissfully happy for his long term fans, but hope they don't see those provisions for another 4 or 5 decades.
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For those who are interested...
Yoshiki's showing his scar from surgery in a video that he uploaded on ustream yesterday: http://www.ustream.tv/yoshiki
Not much to see really. Hum, and I hope he's not seriouslly WORKING in his studio there? >_< Or at least not too much...? Crazy workaholics... :P
Well I hope he's already feeling better anyway!
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Well, it surely looks painful. I hope he is feeling better too, and not working too much! And maybe this scar will convince some people that the whole surgery was not some funny promotion gag, or an excuse for slacking around, or whatever. But someone will surely come up and state it´s just fingerpaint ...
/sarcasm off
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Yes, it certainly looks painful, i hope he feels better.
He shouldn't be working too much in his condition, but it's good to see that he is recording, i hope he fully recovers, as health is more important than anything.
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I love it when he (tries to) talk english :D
From what you see in the vid, it seems he's feeling better!
ThanX for posting, Asuka :)
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In case you hadn't seen it but Gackt's latest blog said that he met Yoshiki on 15 Sept and that his neck was doing well even though Gackt said that Yoshiki was wearing a "corset". Of course, Gackt had to tease Yoshiki about it causing Yoshiki to tell him to stop laughing. Guess, if he is well enough to meet up with friends, he must be doing better now. I hope he allows himself to rest well and get better. I expect more from him in the years to come!! :P
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Thanks for the video AsukaMiyu! It’s cool to see him using Ustream, hope he continues to use it for more video blogs. Poor Yoshiki, the scar looks really painful! He does seem to be feeling better though; hope he continues to take care and look after himself!!
There are some more photos here:
http://www.sanspo.com/geino/news/090924/gnj0909240506010-n1.htm
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Thanks for the video AsukaMiyu :)
I somehow thought that the wound/scar would be bigger.. Looks painful still.
I hope he's not working too hard too soon. But it's good to see him getting better :)
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whoa, that DOES look "kinda painful looking"
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http://news.tv-asahi.co.jp/ann/geinou/geinou_news/contents/hot_20100527_180.html
Yoshiki will receive postoperative medical treatment tomorrow,on May 28th in the hosipital in L.A. His doctor says that Yoshiki is recovering smoothly, but his left hand feels numb yet. So Yoshiki will have an epidural injection/injections and a block injection/injections.
The treatment dosen't need immediacy. It takes about 1 and a half hour and he will recover from it in 2 or 3 days. The appearance on Lollapalooza and their concerts in Nissan studiam will be done as scheduled. Yoshiki says, "Since our recording is making smooth progress,my feeling is very positive. I am all right because members including Toshi are close to me."
SUGIZO went to America last week and their recording is going smoothly.
I hope the treatment goes well and Yoshiki will recover soon.
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I'm trying to figure out what my reaction to this should be.
So far....I only get *facepalm* which I think is enough to summarize everything I'm feeling.
You're not alone there. But here, let me try to summarize:
It's a sort of "Can't you stay just stay in one piece for longer than a week?!" mixed with "Why does this stuff always happen to Yoshiki?" wrapped up in essence of "Oh, good God..." with a dash of "Just gotta love 'im, though." for flavoring.
Let me know in what aspects I got it wrong. :3
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I'm trying to figure out what my reaction to this should be.
So far....I only get *facepalm* which I think is enough to summarize everything I'm feeling.
You're not alone there. But here, let me try to summarize:
It's a sort of "Can't you stay just stay in one piece for longer than a week?!" mixed with "Why does this stuff always happen to Yoshiki?" wrapped up in essence of "Oh, good God..." with a dash of "Just gotta love 'im, though." for flavoring.
Let me know in what aspects I got it wrong. :3
You definitely got all of it right....:D
Which is a surprise since many others totally misunderstood me.
But it's an old post by now....I had almost forgotten it....XD
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You're not alone there. But here, let me try to summarize:
It's a sort of "Can't you stay just stay in one piece for longer than a week?!" mixed with "Why does this stuff always happen to Yoshiki?" wrapped up in essence of "Oh, good God..." with a dash of "Just gotta love 'im, though." for flavoring.
Let me know in what aspects I got it wrong. :3
lol, you hit the nail on the head :P
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According to Staff Report of YOSHIKI mobile updated yesterday, Yoshiki and Toshi recorded their messages for an event in France.
However, nothing else about the event was stated.
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That can only be Japan Expo that event!!!
Thanks Max!
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Seems more and more possible that it'll be Japan Expo....
...anyone going? XD
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If they come to Japan Expo, I will be there!
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with both of them there.... perhaps a performance?
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They'll most likely announce a live, only a few months til they delay it XD ;)
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If Toshi really goes for the July event, does it mean that the recording has finally ended?
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tank,
As reported in the media, they aim to complete the recording in June and release the album in August.
Yoshiki said before the surgery that the recording has been going well, and it seems Sugizo left for the U.S. for recording last week.
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/music/75056/full/
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/music/76665/full/
http://www.sanspo.com/geino/news/100528/gnj1005280504010-n1.htm
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If they recorded the message then why would they come to Paris? :P
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maybe they want to make surprise appearance like Yoshiki actually came to Acen, but of course if they said they would come, it no longer be a surprise,lol
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Great to hear that the recording is proceeding well. It had been a long time since the last appearance of Toshi and I kinda miss him & his voice... =)
It would still be a surprise if Toshi get to sing something during the event... alright, no harm dreaming abt it.
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He needs to be more careful!!!!!
But I'm glad at the news of CD coming out this year. And right before my birthday if they stay on schedule
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Yoshiki's operation will effect X Live in Yokohama 14 Aug & 15 Aug 2010 ?? Where I can get more information such as where to get tickets, and Live will be on schedule ??
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It was reported that it won't effect the Lollapalooza, which is before the Nissan lives. So there should be nothing to worry about :)