Yoshiki and Toshi

Yoshide · **Reply #30 on:** September 01, 2006, 07:29:59 PM

OMG!!!! everything is confusing!!!!

anywa...you got that from SK? was it right?

Direngrey__ · **Reply #31 on:** September 02, 2006, 10:02:37 AM

sorry . . we are argueing again . .

. .all people have their on opinions and we should not argue so much . .
lets put an end to this fight and just say that Without you could be to hide or Toshi, but that knows only the song writer Yoshiki, okay :wink: :cry:

dianne_dejarjayes · **Reply #32 on:** September 02, 2006, 01:51:59 PM

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Yoshide
OMG!!!! everything is confusing!!!!

anywa...you got that from SK? was it right?

what you mean? what is that i got from SK?

Yoshide · **Reply #33 on:** September 02, 2006, 05:49:31 PM

i mean...did you get the lyrics from SK?

we born at the same time should be the same year, month, day...

dreamed the same dream, it could be the plan to the new X by hide and Yoshiki...

eventhough i can't see you anymore, do you think it's for Toshi?

i loved you, i hurt you...seems it for Toshi...

?

dianne_dejarjayes · **Reply #34 on:** September 03, 2006, 05:18:03 AM

not from SK..

We were born and we met at the same time

Vonny sayang....have you read x member biography, there are only three x member who actualy bron in the same years, they are: TOSHI (10-10-1965) PATA (4-11-1965) YOSHIKI (20-11-1965) SO the earliest person (Toshi and Pata) who met Yoshiki is Toshi, and it cant be Pata, and for Hide it absolutly imposible, because Hide was born (13-12-1964), SO it CANT be HIDE

Do you remember The day we first met
The time we dreamed the same dream

like i said before, that Toshi is the first x member that knew Yoshiki since they were 5 years old, and they had they own band before even they met HIDE, so the dream to become a rock star actully from both Toshi and Yoshiki, and if you think the same dream was the plan that Yoshiki and Hide want to make new X , SO it wasnt the first time for them to met, because they had met in the first X, not in the time when they planing to make new X.

Even though I can't see you anymore
Your memory will live in my heart
Forever
As well as love does
So I won't say.... Good bye

Toshi and Yoshiki never met after X disbanded, except in Hide funeral, and after that funeral they never met again until now.. but Yoshiki never want to say good bye because he believe that one day they will meet each other again, and if you think he dont want to say good bye to Hide i think he already done that in his funeral....

I loved you I hurt you

Vonny if you have a childhood friend and a friend that you met when you are grown up, which one you will LOVE most, is it the childhood friend or a friend that you met when you grown up?

If a childhood best friend sudently left his childhood best friend, it must be one of them was hurted the others feeling, and in this case Yoshiki is the one...

Yoshide · **Reply #35 on:** September 03, 2006, 07:12:37 AM

yeah i know it, that's why i gave my opinion above...

love the childhood friend, but in this case...if he wants to, he could fix the relationship with Toshi...but hide...he's not here...

Maverick · **Reply #36 on:** September 03, 2006, 12:05:39 PM

Okay... now it makes sense to me why he choose the date of the disbanding of X to bring out "Sex & Religion"... the lyrics are also clearer to me....

However.. .I wondered if it couldn't be, perhaps Taiji, who was meant in "Without you" But I think it was a stupid idea of mine because it isn't difficult to get in contact with him..., Taiji besides is 8 month younger than Yoshiki... but the reason why I thought about this case was, that Taiji and Yoshiki have the same dream of X, too... because I remember an interview of Taiji when he said it would be cool to build up something with his best friend....

okay - may be this thoughts doesn't really fit here, but I just wanted to tell it ^^;

Yoshide · **Reply #37 on:** September 04, 2006, 01:15:39 PM

heh..i already asked him that...

well so where did i read the article that Without You is for hide?? everytime i listen to this song, listen to the melody of the piano, i always wonder hide's face....

Direngrey__ · **Reply #38 on:** September 05, 2006, 05:22:41 PM

yeah, it brings up the momery of hide . . . love him so much !! :cry:

dianne_dejarjayes · **Reply #39 on:** September 13, 2006, 11:27:22 AM

can you explain what is "transference" mean in here?

Yoshide · **Reply #40 on:** September 16, 2006, 04:37:16 PM

oh!! Saint(c)!!! thank you so much for that!!

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Also in another interview Yoshiki says he still hasn't deleted hides number off his phone and he said he always hopes that one day his phone will ring and it will be hide.

-speechless-

dianne_dejarjayes · **Reply #41 on:** September 18, 2006, 10:52:06 AM

Saint(c) i want the address of the site you took that inerview please?

xScQ · **Reply #42 on:** September 19, 2006, 07:03:31 PM

She isn't negative or angry. All she/we want is a link to the original japanese interview. Like a scan of the magazine or a link to the website who conducted the interview.

Not the website with the translations. Because for us that is not a "real" interview without the original source (website/magazine) mentioned.

Yoshide · **Reply #43 on:** September 23, 2006, 06:15:26 PM

i'm not providing anyone else. but i feel that PanthereNoire is unfair. when you told us that hide was jealous with Toshi, we didn't ask you to prove it. more, you said that your friend said it, not you.

wah....it's so long interview Saint(c), thanks again! ^^

Kumo · **Reply #44 on:** December 31, 2006, 07:19:44 AM

sad stuff
friends for so long and just to end it like blam splat!!...... yeah that sucks

Keppikeksi · **Reply #45 on:** December 31, 2006, 12:07:06 PM

I'm still waiting for the original interview... I myself won't understand a word from it though but I'd like to see what PanthereNoire get's out of it. Because I don't see a reason why it couldn't be posted if those who are Japanese themselves. Then it will not do any harm for PanthereNoire to read it again herself, right?

EDIT: Damm, this was a pretty old topic... My apologies ^^'

utari_morie · **Reply #46 on:** January 07, 2007, 08:25:31 AM

hey everyone can sent anything to their idol right, don't make other people spirit down...

daybreak · **Reply #47 on:** January 15, 2007, 09:20:57 AM

Somewhere near the end of the clip, yoshiki said he wrote without you for his friend in heaven (which is obv hide) and his fans.

Yoshide · **Reply #48 on:** January 15, 2007, 07:25:27 PM

Gotcha! thanks for that link!

daybreak · **Reply #49 on:** January 17, 2007, 02:43:48 PM

hmm okay. you do have a point. just that i thought the debate was about whether the song is for toshi, hide or even taiji. The only one being dead is hide. The debate is still open i guess.

daybreak · **Reply #50 on:** January 18, 2007, 06:51:34 AM

*shruggs* if u insist.

Yoshide · **Reply #51 on:** January 18, 2007, 06:31:39 PM

but he also never mentioned Toshi's name right.

please...

Lights · **Reply #52 on:** January 18, 2007, 06:58:34 PM

Quote from: "Yoshide"

but he also never mentioned Toshi's name right.

please...

Answering this requires one thing-- it is called COMPREHENSION skills.

Yoshide · **Reply #53 on:** January 18, 2007, 07:13:59 PM

Orkrist · **Reply #54 on:** January 18, 2007, 07:33:54 PM

I think that Lights means that though Yoshiki hasn't said anywhere Toshi's name while speaking about "Without you", it's not absolute truth that the song isn't for him. There are many ways to understand this situation.

Oh well, I have no idea what I'm talking about. :roll: I don't know what I'm trying to explain, so let it be.

Yoshide · **Reply #55 on:** January 18, 2007, 07:51:42 PM

nonsense. i don't mean that i want that song for hide. but it's already very clear. he didn't mention hide's name, yet Toshi! OMG! it's really an old topic!

Lights · **Reply #56 on:** January 19, 2007, 04:12:49 PM

Quote from: "Orkrist"

I think that Lights means that though Yoshiki hasn't said anywhere Toshi's name while speaking about "Without you", it's not absolute truth that the song isn't for him. There are many ways to understand this situation.

Oh well, I have no idea what I'm talking about. :roll: I don't know what I'm trying to explain, so let it be.

To be put more diplomatically, yes. That is what I was talking about.

Yoshide- re read the thing Panthere Noire wrote. Carefully. Ten times if you need to. Maybe you'll see.

utari_morie · **Reply #57 on:** January 20, 2007, 08:35:03 AM

Quote from: "dianne_dejarjayes"

Without you
YOSHIKI EMII

I stand still on this night I'm too tired to walk through
Crossing these flowing tears with memory

There are as many farewells as encounters
But time goes on forever, so I believed

Even the words we hurt eachother with, I embrace now
Just turning back I feel alone

How should I love you
How could I feel you
Without you
Countless memories fill in my time

We were born and we met at the same time
in order to reassure eachother's love

I still remember To the coming day with no answers
To the days I desired to dream

Once again I ask
the reason of life
the reason of living
To the endlessly vast sky

At times living is full of pain
I can't be honest I was fooling an act

I loved you I hurt you
I realized the depth of the word of love

Do you remember The day we first met
The time we dreamed the same dream

Once again I ask
the reason of life
the reason of living
To the endlessly vast sky

How should I love you
How could I feel you
Without you
An endless poem of love To you

Even though I can't see you anymore
Your memory will live in my heart
Forever
As well as love does
So I won't say.... Good bye

~~~~~~~~~~

i belive its for TOSHI because this words

We were born and we met at the same time
in order to reassure eachother's love

Yoshiki and Hide not born in the same time.... Hide one years older than Yoshiki...
but Toshi did....

its for TOSHI....

Yoshide, I think you have to read this lyric again, this time very carefuly and read the red line and I'm sure we all know that only Toshi, Pata and Yoshiki who born in the same year.

and Toshi is Yoshiki's best friends since they were 3 years old, so it can't be Pata.

Yoshide · **Reply #58 on:** January 20, 2007, 01:14:06 PM

well maybe you have to read my post more than 10 times. you don't know Yoshiki that much, so stop it.

dianne_dejarjayes · **Reply #59 on:** January 23, 2007, 09:38:25 AM

here we go again.... fighting because 'without you' song...