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Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 03, 2008, 07:44:40 PM
According to a promoter who helped get the recent Miyavi show organised in the UK the X Japan London show will go ahead at the 10 thousand capacity Wembley Arena on September 27th. The show will be officially announced on Saturday at the Japan Expo is Paris.

The promoter herself has also added the show to the Last FM concert calendar which can be seen here: http://www.last.fm/event/681340

Please don't take this as a 100% certain fact, but also please don't delete it and tell me to wait for it to be official. The promoter was involved in the process, so for now I think that her "on the record" say-so is good enough to be at least allowed on this forum.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Matthias on July 03, 2008, 07:46:27 PM
27th september would be cool for me. Just realised that I really hope there is no european concert at 20th september, cause at that date I'm invited to a wedding of a very good friend, and she would kill me (or worse) if I wouldn't come  :D
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Lucs on July 03, 2008, 07:48:50 PM
This would be great ! Thanks for the rumour !

Well we'll give you an update of what is announced at the Japan Expo.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: julien on July 03, 2008, 07:54:26 PM
Ill definitely go to the London one  :wink:  I can miss the school on friday, I wanna sleep in front of the arena  :lol:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 03, 2008, 07:56:25 PM
Quote from: "julien"
Ill definitely go to the London one  :wink:  I can miss the school on friday, I wanna sleep in front of the arena  :lol:


Haha, I don't think that would be such a good idea - London isn't the nicest of places at night. Then again, jrock fans are notorious for camping out for gigs over here, so it's likely that you will have lots of people to talk to and protect you XD
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Tordek42 on July 03, 2008, 07:59:30 PM
Also the I don't think Wembley Arena/the police allow people to camp outside the venue do they?

But anyway, if this is true then this is the best news I've had all year :D:D
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Menacia on July 03, 2008, 07:59:58 PM
lol... actually I don't hope this is real, because I got to work mon to sat the last september and first october week...
otherwise, I'd happily go to london to see em.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 03, 2008, 08:07:13 PM
This sounds pretty reliable; here is the promoter's pedigree:

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Working with GIGSANDTOURS promotions, London venues and various promoters to help bring J-rock in to the UK more frequently for you

☆★☆Working With☆★☆
Dir en grey
the GazettE
Moon -Kana-
Plastic Tree
Girugamesh
Dio - distraught overlord
アンティック-珈琲店-/An Cafe
-雅-Miyavi
Gackt
Renrer en Soi
12012
Tokyo Decadance
Ayabie
Kagrra
LM.C
X-Japan

*there are ALOT more getting added so keep watch.

I Created, still run and manage the Dir en grey Street Team:UK. Which is an Official Street Team for the band thanks to The Noise Cartel Promotions label taking us 'under their wing', They manage the bands promotional materials and we help distribute them as well as various other things.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: julien on July 03, 2008, 08:09:08 PM
woot, it means it's real !!! 3 months to go  :lol:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Tordek42 on July 03, 2008, 08:13:28 PM
Well he seems reliable, but don't get your hopes up. Just wait until it's officially announced by the band, their management and/or JRR.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Zwanster on July 03, 2008, 08:16:27 PM
Wembley would be cool, and Saturday is a good night imo, so I'm all for it!

(Just as long as its not at the o2, that place suuuuucks)
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 03, 2008, 08:24:57 PM
Quote from: "Zwanster"

(Just as long as its not at the o2, that place suuuuucks)


It's not thaaaaaat bad - I'm just glad they did something with it after it's use as "The Millenium Dome" came to an end. It felt pretty embarressing to be English when they were all like "omg - what do we do with this giant dome?".
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Zwanster on July 03, 2008, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
Quote from: "Zwanster"

(Just as long as its not at the o2, that place suuuuucks)


It's not thaaaaaat bad - I'm just glad they did something with it after it's use as "The Millenium Dome" came to an end. It felt pretty embarressing to be English when they were all like "omg - what do we do with this giant dome?".


Millennium Dome did suck completely to be fair, but o2 isn't much better imo, I saw Smashing Pumpkins there (one of my favourite bands, bar X Japan of course) and it was almost completely ruined by the people there. People actually left like half way through  :lol:  So I have a grudge against it somewhat...

But going back to topic, I've never been to Wembley (old or new) so it should be interesting.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: darkcat21 on July 03, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
I  -  can  -  not  -  go

Somebody put a curse on me.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: MillieQOF on July 03, 2008, 09:32:55 PM
I hope it's for real now, I won't book a shit until there are tickets out.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Edside on July 03, 2008, 10:15:31 PM
Hope it's real.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: mC on July 03, 2008, 11:07:42 PM
I think I will be the only one here thats a little pissed off if this is true...considering that they were planning to do NY on the 13th...and that I already have tickets for NY...and that Yoshiki should be well enough to play London which is only a mere 2 weeks after the night NY would have been done... :twisted:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: matsumoto on July 03, 2008, 11:30:29 PM
Quote from: "mC"
I think I will be the only one here thats a little pissed off if this is true...considering that they were planning to do NY on the 13th...and that I already have tickets for NY...and that Yoshiki should be well enough to play London which is only a mere 2 weeks after the night NY would have been done... :twisted:


Well, I was not planning to go to any show, but I have to say I agree with you. In case this is true, it'd be a bit off from them to play in London when they had already promised a performance in NY. It's like... they have no "excuse" not to do it.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: nage on July 03, 2008, 11:43:27 PM
I. WANT.

O_O
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Feudal on July 04, 2008, 01:58:15 AM
Quote from: "mC"
I think I will be the only one here thats a little pissed off if this is true...considering that they were planning to do NY on the 13th...and that I already have tickets for NY...and that Yoshiki should be well enough to play London which is only a mere 2 weeks after the night NY would have been done... :twisted:


You will not be the only one who is pissed, believe me. Unless there are venue issues with MSG with regards to dates, I cannot see why they would not...after officially announcing it and all. I understand what happened and what went on with the postponement and such which would sometimes force a change to occur that is out of anyones reach, however, continuing with the plan at MSG is not impossible, they might see it as just not being ideal at the moment. We'll just have to sit tight as they have said there are more tour locations TBA so we may still be in luck.  Also, I'm not ragging on the supposed London concert in September, but by the looks of Wembley Arena, in terms of size and whatnot, they could pull off a more intense, beautiful concert at MSG.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Artseeker on July 04, 2008, 08:00:50 AM
I'll wait for the Japan Expo announcement,but if that's true as i seems to be,I'll be in London FOR SURE 8)

The Wembley Arena is also a pretty good place to hold a X concert in my opinion :)
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 04, 2008, 08:49:26 AM
Quote from: "Feudal"
Quote from: "mC"
Also, I'm not ragging on the supposed London concert in September, but by the looks of Wembley Arena, in terms of size and whatnot, they could pull off a more intense, beautiful concert at MSG.


Meh, I don't think MSG is so great. Wembley Arena has a concert history which rivals MSG and in terms of size I think it would be kinda cool for X to play there as opposed to the larger, newer venues such as the O2 Arena or Wembley Stadium (neither of which they would realistically fill).

If X can't fill 10 thousand seats here in Europe, then it will kinda scupper the fact that they have booked a venue twice as large in the States.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 04, 2008, 10:40:33 AM
--UPDATE--

According to the Whois Database the XJapan.co.uk domain name has been registered in the past few days by a none UK party. It's possible that this is a mere coincidence but with the Taiwan and Korean websites being operational to promote the concerts it's possible that this is an indicator that the show is going to happen.

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Relevant dates
    Registered on: 23-Jun-2008
    Renewal date: 23-Jun-2010
    Last updated: 23-Jun-2008
Registration status
    Registration request being processed.
Name servers
    ns354240.ovh.net
    sdns1.ovh.net
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: julien on July 04, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
OH IT ROCKS!!! i hope www.xjapan.fr will be registered too and why not .be  :lol:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: MillieQOF on July 04, 2008, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
--UPDATE--

According to the Whois Database the XJapan.co.uk domain name has been registered in the past few days by a none UK party. It's possible that this is a mere coincidence but with the Taiwan and Korean websites being operational to promote the concerts it's possible that this is an indicator that the show is going to happen.


Excuse me, but... HOW MUCH FREE TIME DO YOU HAVE? XD
I would never even get the idea to sit and whois xjapan domains XD
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Artseeker on July 04, 2008, 11:13:04 AM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
--UPDATE--

According to the Whois Database the XJapan.co.uk domain name has been registered in the past few days by a none UK party. It's possible that this is a mere coincidence but with the Taiwan and Korean websites being operational to promote the concerts it's possible that this is an indicator that the show is going to happen.

Quote
Relevant dates
    Registered on: 23-Jun-2008
    Renewal date: 23-Jun-2010
    Last updated: 23-Jun-2008
Registration status
    Registration request being processed.
Name servers
    ns354240.ovh.net
    sdns1.ovh.net


Thanks for the news,that's a great indication that something is indeed happening  :D
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Skooter on July 04, 2008, 01:54:30 PM
I'm definitely not getting excited prematurely this time, but that would be a pretty perfect date for me...
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 04, 2008, 03:06:51 PM
Quote from: "MillieQOF"
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
--UPDATE--

According to the Whois Database the XJapan.co.uk domain name has been registered in the past few days by a none UK party. It's possible that this is a mere coincidence but with the Taiwan and Korean websites being operational to promote the concerts it's possible that this is an indicator that the show is going to happen.


Excuse me, but... HOW MUCH FREE TIME DO YOU HAVE? XD
I would never even get the idea to sit and whois xjapan domains XD


It only takes 2 minutes XD
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: MIHO on July 04, 2008, 03:12:08 PM
HOSHIT
It's before my birthday X_x

BUT STILL

I'M GOING : D
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: MillieQOF on July 04, 2008, 03:18:54 PM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
It only takes 2 minutes XD

Yes, but...WHY? WHY DID YOU DO IT? XD
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 04, 2008, 03:22:52 PM
Because, I inadvertantly typed "Xjapan.co.uk" into my browser not thinking to put ".ne.jp" and found that the domain linked to an index page - meaning it has been registered ^^ - I wanted to know when this happened and who did it, as it may give a clue as to if this concert is going to happen.

Voila!

You should be saying "Thank you Beauty/Broken!"

m(-_-)m
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: xfreakjess on July 04, 2008, 05:27:20 PM
Hmm...it's an interesting rumor.
Well, I'll wait and see what the band says, whenever they get the chance.
But, personally, I don't mind where they tour or play. =)
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: MillieQOF on July 04, 2008, 05:48:09 PM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
Because, I inadvertantly typed "Xjapan.co.uk" into my browser not thinking to put ".ne.jp" and found that the domain linked to an index page - meaning it has been registered ^^ - I wanted to know when this happened and who did it, as it may give a clue as to if this concert is going to happen.

Voila!

You should be saying "Thank you Beauty/Broken!"

m(-_-)m


*claps hands*
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Edside on July 04, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
Tomorrow news at Jpn expo.  :)
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: kendofreak on July 04, 2008, 08:36:31 PM
i hope to god this is true!

gotta love relatives in England!
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: PSYCHed on July 04, 2008, 10:05:15 PM
Ooooooohhhhh I'm Xcited about this possibility too - I've been to Wembley Arena a few times in the past and it should be a cool venue to hold a concert of a band of X's caliber - big enough for them to include all their theatrics but not TOO big if you know what I mean!!!

  Should we be holding our breath now until any official announcements  - :? -  knowing our luck the tickets will not go on sale until at least September... -  :roll:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Matthias on July 07, 2008, 06:35:59 PM
Well no show has been anounced, but I still hope it will within the next few days.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: MillieQOF on July 07, 2008, 07:01:19 PM
The .co.uk site will open soon, I've heard.
This isn't official, yo, so regard it as a rumor.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: slunksoma on July 08, 2008, 11:11:21 AM
Quote from: "MillieQOF"
The .co.uk site will open soon, I've heard.

Interesting, I'll keep an eye out. Hope Wembley is the venue, O2 will be too big, in a sense that the smaller intimate gigs are usually better!
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Yu~Kun on July 08, 2008, 11:40:31 AM
Well they didn't announce this on Saturday...
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: aruzo on July 08, 2008, 02:37:28 PM
Yeah, they were meant to announce this saturday. I'm currently working with the promoter. I'm promoting parts of the X concert. Only as soon as it's officially announced though. Can't say anymore than that.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Kyubi on July 08, 2008, 08:02:52 PM
Having a registered website isn't a proof of a concert! Come on!

X JAPAN live in Paris will be a european live, so why not a english version of the french website.

X JAPAN management wants to stop the rumours, they said it's really important!

There will be only one single live in Europe, 20 000 seats it's huge, they won't sold it out if there is two lives.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: nage on July 08, 2008, 08:13:15 PM
I think they'd sell it out... It depends on marketing. And ads. So people would know long enough before... and ability of getting tickets and all other stuff booked at least 1 month before. 2 or 3 moths would be much better, though.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Edside on July 08, 2008, 08:40:05 PM
30.000? Come on :lol:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: darkcat21 on July 08, 2008, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: "Kyubi"
Having a registered website isn't a proof of a concert! Come on!

But if the same guy who registered xjapan.co.uk is the same one who registered xjapan-france.com, that means something.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 08, 2008, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: "Kyubi"
X JAPAN management wants to stop the rumours, they said it's really important!


Then maybe they should come out and tell people what is going on. Do they really expect the X fans worldwide just to sit still like brainwashed school children until the indefinate day comes when they feel the need to say something?

They can't stop people from thinking, speculation and making sense out of the apparent situation. There is no such thing as an information dictatorship of this sort - not to mention that it goes against ones basic human rights. If they want people to stop speculating then they should be more transparent - it's not like people are ignoring the official information, we rush for every little piece we can get our hands on.  :D
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Lucs on July 08, 2008, 09:26:19 PM
I think X Japan aren't keeping secret just for fun. They just won't announce anything until everything is well planned.

I agree with Kyubi about the .co.uk website. It doesn't necesseraly mean that there will be a show in UK.

X Japan is an ACTIVE band now, I really think rumours and speculations aren't very useful... seriously, those stuffs are for bands like Guns N'Roses who just don't communicate at all :P
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 08, 2008, 09:58:27 PM
Quote from: "Lucs"
bands like Guns N'Roses who just don't communicate at all :P


No offence here, but X isn't really being much better right now - especially considering the circumstances.  :(
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: matsumoto on July 08, 2008, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
They can't stop people from thinking, speculation and making sense out of the apparent situation. There is no such thing as an information dictatorship of this sort - not to mention that it goes against ones basic human rights. If they want people to stop speculating then they should be more transparent - it's not like people are ignoring the official information, we rush for every little piece we can get our hands on.  :D


Completely agreed. And I must say that this new generalized phobia of unnofficial information is getting rather absurd. We're not starting any rumours as we discuss things and share new bits of news. If all that mattered was the utterly-official and undeniable side of the thing, then why would we even have a forum? We'd just sit quietly and pacifically in our places, without any contact with other fans. It's nice and I really appreciate the fact that this forum is against worthless rumours. But we have to put an end to cepticism when it becomes too much.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Lucs on July 08, 2008, 10:18:57 PM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
No offence here, but X isn't really being much better right now - especially considering the circumstances.  :(


Well you know, on Saturday I saw X Japan manager talking to us. Saying there would be a show in Europe this year, saying they opened a French website. I think this is already A LOT !
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Nikmer on July 09, 2008, 01:59:42 AM
and that they want us to stop these rumours and just wait for the official plans ........ well ofc we all want to know what will happen right now if it was possible but please have patience and believe in X ..... they want to have a great world tour too -.-
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: darkcat21 on July 09, 2008, 06:57:49 AM
Quote
Well you know, on Saturday I saw X Japan manager talking to us. Saying there would be a show in Europe this year, saying they opened a French website. I think this is already A LOT !

A lot  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Hollywood on July 09, 2008, 07:25:46 AM
Quote from: "matsumoto"
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
They can't stop people from thinking, speculation and making sense out of the apparent situation. There is no such thing as an information dictatorship of this sort - not to mention that it goes against ones basic human rights. If they want people to stop speculating then they should be more transparent - it's not like people are ignoring the official information, we rush for every little piece we can get our hands on.  :D


Completely agreed. And I must say that this new generalized phobia of unnofficial information is getting rather absurd. We're not starting any rumours as we discuss things and share new bits of news. If all that mattered was the utterly-official and undeniable side of the thing, then why would we even have a forum? We'd just sit quietly and pacifically in our places, without any contact with other fans. It's nice and I really appreciate the fact that this forum is against worthless rumours. But we have to put an end to cepticism when it becomes too much.

Totally and completely agree with both of you.

And I thought that was the whole point of fan forums anyhow-- to think, speculate, share what little information we DO have, and to discuss.  Some official forums (hint: starts with a J, ends with an RR) have "no rumors" rules, which I find ridiculous, and I was relieved that X Freaks has no such thing.

X Freaks STILL has no such thing, by the way.  Rumors and speculation are allowed here, last time I checked, so I see no good reason to try and stop people from posting them.  Anyone who hates this kind of thing, why are you even reading this thread?  If you want to see ONLY official statements and nothing else, check the official website daily and don't bother with fan forums.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Matilda in Oz on July 09, 2008, 09:55:02 AM
I agree as well. If an unofficial fan forum isn't the place where one can jump up and down and shout WHERE WHEN HOW like an excited kid, then WHERE?

I don't know about anyone else here, but for me, this is the only place I feel that I can vent my thoughts on X. None of my friends and family are even remotely interested in X, unfortunately. Actually, I only know of ONE person in the whole city of 4 million people that is, and that's one of the members here who I don't even know IRL.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Maverick on July 09, 2008, 06:52:05 PM
Noone says that one can't share the thoughts about X here. Therefor that forum here does exist. However, it did happen already more than once that rumors turned out to be totally odd, and caused rather headace and sadness to both, X fans and the X members themselves... I just think of the time when I came into X - that was, when many people who wanted to say something about Yoshiki, claimed that he is an arrogant, despotic asshole to the members of X. So for what is THAT good for? This opinion still exists unter some J Rock fans and that's something that makes me really sad about it. Since they don't try to see the truth behind it and simply believe what xyz-j-rock-fan says.
Aside from that it so easily happens that things that were mentioned in the medias and the internet become exaggerated. Which make fans either too enthusiastic about something that was never said that way, OR they worry about something that's not a bit true (shall i say that there are some people believing that Yoshiki is close to death currently? C'mon!)
And now about a concert in London... Naturally, one can talk about that that it would be cool, if it happens, but I'm waiting for those who do think then that is announced officially and in the end, the concert won't happen... then everyone who believed in this is totally dissappointed. And even worse if X themselves would have trouble to explain that then... (tho, naturally that case now is an exaggerated one :P)
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: matsumoto on July 09, 2008, 07:52:25 PM
Quote from: "Maverick"
Noone says that one can't share the thoughts about X here. Therefor that forum here does exist. However, it did happen already more than once that rumors turned out to be totally odd, and caused rather headace and sadness to both, X fans and the X members themselves... I just think of the time when I came into X - that was, when many people who wanted to say something about Yoshiki, claimed that he is an arrogant, despotic asshole to the members of X. So for what is THAT good for? This opinion still exists unter some J Rock fans and that's something that makes me really sad about it. Since they don't try to see the truth behind it and simply believe what xyz-j-rock-fan says.
Aside from that it so easily happens that things that were mentioned in the medias and the internet become exaggerated. Which make fans either too enthusiastic about something that was never said that way, OR they worry about something that's not a bit true (shall i say that there are some people believing that Yoshiki is close to death currently? C'mon!)
And now about a concert in London... Naturally, one can talk about that that it would be cool, if it happens, but I'm waiting for those who do think then that is announced officially and in the end, the concert won't happen... then everyone who believed in this is totally dissappointed. And even worse if X themselves would have trouble to explain that then... (tho, naturally that case now is an exaggerated one :P)


Well, seen from that point of view, I completely agree with you, as well. Specially on the last part: would X have the nerve to deny the existance of a concert in London after months of speculation and fans going hyper? ,etc.  

However, concering the posting of one's oppinions (eg. Yoshiki is arrogant or not), well, everyone is entitled to think of things in their own way. Personally, even if I thought person A, B or C was arrogant or stupid, I would never post it online for the world to see, I'd rather keep it to myself (moreover when I possibly wouldn't even know such a person in real life). However, not all of us are like that and some people are keen on spamming their controversial oppinions everywhere. There's nothing we can do about it, though. Speaking your mind is a basic human right and we can't go against freedom of expression. If we believe it or not (and the same applies to the Yoshiki-is-so-totally-dead--ish rumours), it's up to each one us, to our sense of reality and to our conception of what we should believe or not.

And I think this resumes the point: people must be free to speculate (aside of totally stupid and offensive speculation) as they wish. We're not exactly gullible children, we must develop the ability to choose the information we should point as either totally absurd or possibly true. However, just like you said (and quite wisely), let's not get too happy before the truth is out or the whole thing might end up as a total delusion. And I hope it's not, of course.  :)
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 09, 2008, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: "Maverick"
Noone says that one can't share the thoughts about X here. Therefor that forum here does exist. However, it did happen already more than once that rumors turned out to be totally odd, and caused rather headace and sadness to both, X fans and the X members themselves... I just think of the time when I came into X - that was, when many people who wanted to say something about Yoshiki, claimed that he is an arrogant, despotic asshole to the members of X. So for what is THAT good for? This opinion still exists unter some J Rock fans and that's something that makes me really sad about it. Since they don't try to see the truth behind it and simply believe what xyz-j-rock-fan says.
Aside from that it so easily happens that things that were mentioned in the medias and the internet become exaggerated. Which make fans either too enthusiastic about something that was never said that way, OR they worry about something that's not a bit true (shall i say that there are some people believing that Yoshiki is close to death currently? C'mon!)
And now about a concert in London... Naturally, one can talk about that that it would be cool, if it happens, but I'm waiting for those who do think then that is announced officially and in the end, the concert won't happen... then everyone who believed in this is totally dissappointed. And even worse if X themselves would have trouble to explain that then... (tho, naturally that case now is an exaggerated one :P)


If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen, it's no skin off my nose.

It's not like extremely imature and self-obsessing people are going to stand there and say "hahahahaha, omg as if you read that rumour, u r pwned". Oh, wait  :roll:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: julien on July 09, 2008, 10:02:02 PM
Bad news :

9/7/08: There is a mistake on Information, Date & Venue of this event. The show is still in progress of conversation at the moment. This event is due to be deleted.

I think X Japan management asked to put that, because it's still not official =/
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Hollywood on July 09, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Quote from: "Maverick"
Noone says that one can't share the thoughts about X here. Therefor that forum here does exist. However, it did happen already more than once that rumors turned out to be totally odd, and caused rather headace and sadness to both, X fans and the X members themselves... I just think of the time when I came into X - that was, when many people who wanted to say something about Yoshiki, claimed that he is an arrogant, despotic asshole to the members of X. So for what is THAT good for? This opinion still exists unter some J Rock fans and that's something that makes me really sad about it. Since they don't try to see the truth behind it and simply believe what xyz-j-rock-fan says.

Of course rumors sometimes turn out to be false, and sometimes that's a disappointment-- but so what?

As for what people think of Yoshiki, honestly I could not care less.  Everyone is welcome to their opinion, whether it's positive or negative.  Unless you're Yoshiki or one of his very close friends, how do you know what "the truth behind it" is anyway?  It's all speculation, the positive opinions and theories just as much as the negative ones.

I think the majority of people on this forum are reasonable and mature enough to understand the difference between fact, opinion, and rumor, and to determine for themselves what parts of that they choose to believe or disbelieve.  And if they're not and they get disappointed when some rumor turns out false, well, life lesson for them.

Personally, I highly appreciate when people post what information they can.  It seems lately that people (like Beauty/Broken in this thread) are taking the time to post information for us, naturally assuming their contributions will be appreciated, and instead getting nearly attacked for it for no apparent reason.  What did anyone do wrong here?
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Zwanster on July 09, 2008, 10:38:14 PM
Quote from: "julien"
Bad news :

9/7/08: There is a mistake on Information, Date & Venue of this event. The show is still in progress of conversation at the moment. This event is due to be deleted.

I think X Japan management asked to put that, because it's still not official =/


So no Wembley gig afterall then? Jeez, guess its Paris afterall then  :lol:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Maverick on July 09, 2008, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
If it doesn't happen it doesn't happen, it's no skin off my nose.

It's not like extremely imature and self-obsessing people are going to stand there and say "hahahahaha, omg as if you read that rumour, u r pwned". Oh, wait  :roll:


No one says so - i just have gone through things before that people read pretty old 'news' about what ever, and made a fuss because of that... ten seconds later they did find out the real situation and that's that then. A rumour starts to spread which could have been easily avoided.

However, I'm not saying that you're doing so. Actually, what is posted here had mostly some source like medias and stuff like that which is reasonable to discuss.

But still, one should still not forget to look carefully about what it is and better read things twice but post something out of excitement - that's what I want to say. And actually, that's my personal definition of a rumor which would have been unnecessary.
I think the solution here to mark things which are not officially announced  (= from the management or the members themselves) as rumor is a good one.

Quote from: "Hollywood"

It seems lately that people (like Beauty/Broken in this thread) are taking the time to post information for us, naturally assuming their contributions will be appreciated, and instead getting nearly attacked for it for no apparent reason. What did anyone do wrong here?

Didn't see anyone attacking someone here or posting an inappropriate or insulting/negative, whatever comment about this new information. Everyone simply posted his/her opinion.

And that's now pretty OT - sorry for this ^^;
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Belle & Sebastian on July 10, 2008, 01:49:12 AM
according to the x japan website, the paris concert will be the 1st one in europe, so no london concert before paris
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: PSYCHed on July 10, 2008, 10:25:08 AM
... but that still doesn't mean to say that X could play at Wembley AFTER the Paris gig (start of their world tour) - mmmmm.... - fingers and toes all firmly xd!!!  :P
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: nage on July 10, 2008, 10:50:28 AM
Wanting people to stop spreading rumours is like wanting water to stop flowing.
If the rumour is BIG, IMPORTANT for many people and UNTRUE, the managment should FACE IT and not hide like they usually do it (= no statement at all). They should officially say: 'We're sorry, but the rumour about London concert is NOT true.' untill it's too late. But wanting thousands people to NOT spread rumours? That can't work. Some people are living of rumours (tabloid journalists).
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Anna on July 10, 2008, 10:52:08 AM
Right. Plus, a normal, mature fan will always sort these right and even if not, he won't go blaming anything on X-Japan. And the rest of the people simply cannot be helped until they grow up, period.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Sander on July 10, 2008, 02:12:03 PM
Rumors are ok only as long as they stay as rumors and don't get out of hand. If people try to believe in them too much they spill over the cup and become the truth, or thought about as truth.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: aruzo on July 12, 2008, 06:45:54 PM
Quote from: "Hypno"
Rumors are ok only as long as they stay as rumors and don't get out of hand. If people try to believe in them too much they spill over the cup and become the truth, or thought about as truth.


Nah, apparently the London show was going to happen. I was helping with Promotion, it's just the promoters gave out the information before X wanted them to. That's the story anyway. This show is basically scrapped, Paris all the way now  :roll:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: julien on July 12, 2008, 06:52:10 PM
wOOt ! So, X is going to perform in London after the X show? I'm wondering if i'll have enough money  :lol:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: aruzo on July 12, 2008, 06:53:58 PM
Quote from: "julien"
wOOt ! So, X is going to perform in London after the X show? I'm wondering if i'll have enough money  :lol:


No i don't think the London show is going ahead now. I think the promotion team messed up pretty bad. I was working on it and havok got caused, promotion team who I was working with are in alot of trouble.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Sander on July 12, 2008, 10:59:56 PM
Too bad for all London fans... And too bad for the promotion team, as you just let every X fan know why their favorite band isn't preforming in London :P
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: aruzo on July 13, 2008, 12:22:38 AM
Quote from: "Hypno"
Too bad for all London fans... And too bad for the promotion team, as you just let every X fan know why their favorite band isn't preforming in London :P


LMFAO, well said. I'm kinda disappointed myself. But hey?, Im hopefully going to Paris. How can I complain =D.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 13, 2008, 01:05:30 AM
Quote from: "Hypno"
Too bad for all London fans... And too bad for the promotion team, as you just let every X fan know why their favorite band isn't preforming in London :P


I'm kinda pissed off that this comes across as so smug, I don't like your tone.
Surely any X show is a good X show? I don't think the promotion team have messed up that bad - trying to get X to play in London is surely a good thing.

Shame on you Hypno!
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: aruzo on July 13, 2008, 01:06:44 AM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
Quote from: "Hypno"
Too bad for all London fans... And too bad for the promotion team, as you just let every X fan know why their favorite band isn't preforming in London :P


I'm kinda pissed off that this comes across as so smug, I don't like your tone.
Surely any X show is a good X show? I don't think the promotion team have messed up that bad - trying to get X to play in London is surely a good thing.

Shame on you Hypno!


TBH, I guess you're right. The promotion team done well to the extent that X could of played UK.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Beauty/Broken on July 13, 2008, 01:10:32 AM
Quote from: "aruzo"
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
Quote from: "Hypno"
Too bad for all London fans... And too bad for the promotion team, as you just let every X fan know why their favorite band isn't preforming in London :P


I'm kinda pissed off that this comes across as so smug, I don't like your tone.
Surely any X show is a good X show? I don't think the promotion team have messed up that bad - trying to get X to play in London is surely a good thing.

Shame on you Hypno!


TBH, I guess you're right. The promotion team done well to the extent that X could of played UK.


Damn right, what gives this dude the right to basically point and laugh? This is 'X Freaks' Forums is it not? Surely trying to get X Japan to play shows is a good thing - as far as I see it nothing has been lost in the process, that kind of reaction is simply not needed.

Shame on you Hypno!
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Lord Arioch on July 13, 2008, 01:19:03 AM
So that's what happened is it? Hm, seems a bit petty from X if you ask me :roll: Scrapping a show because the promoter announced it a few days early. Oh well.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Sander on July 13, 2008, 01:21:16 AM
Quote from: "Beauty/Broken"
Quote from: "Hypno"
Too bad for all London fans... And too bad for the promotion team, as you just let every X fan know why their favorite band isn't preforming in London :P


I'm kinda pissed off that this comes across as so smug, I don't like your tone.
Surely any X show is a good X show? I don't think the promotion team have messed up that bad - trying to get X to play in London is surely a good thing.

Shame on you Hypno!
Sorry, if I'm misunderstood again. I'm really sorry for the English fans. Honestly, London would have been cheaper for me (though as most of the people I know would have went to Paris, so would have I) and I'd have done what I could to get to both shows.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: PSYCHed on July 14, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Yeah, living in the UK I too think it sucks if they don't play in London for whatever reason, but the truth is that these days it is probably just as cheap to travel abroad to see a band play with the cheap airlines etc.

  I mean at the moment I am currently facing the dilema (spelling  :?: ) of whether to book my flight well in advance of Paris gig and tickets going on sale when it will only cost around £50 - if I wait then it is likely to at least double in price.

  Besides, if they don't play here - it is always a good excuse for a short holiday elsewhere (mmm better get saving NOW!!!)  :wink:
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Lord Arioch on July 14, 2008, 04:38:25 PM
Quote from: "PSYCHed"
Yeah, living in the UK I too think it sucks if they don't play in London for whatever reason, but the truth is that these days it is probably just as cheap to travel abroad to see a band play with the cheap airlines etc.

  I mean at the moment I am currently facing the dilema (spelling  :?: ) of whether to book my flight well in advance of Paris gig and tickets going on sale when it will only cost around £50 - if I wait then it is likely to at least double in price.


It's pretty frustrating :( I nearly bought all of the stuff in advance of the July 5th concert in Paris, I'm glad I didn't. This time around I don't know what to do. Once flights start going up significantly, I think I'll just buy the tickets.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: PanthereNoire on July 14, 2008, 05:00:25 PM
^ I DON'T think that's what the original poster meant.

There is WAY to much money and organisation involved for any band, X or whoever, to cancel a live over something like a premature announcement.

In fact, the Tokyo Lives were "scooped" by a local paper before they were announced officially.

However...

@aruzo: I think it would be better if you refrained from posting things you might have learned while working with promoters or other people related to the world tour. Standard practice with people even only helping out with events, you have to sign a non disclosure agreement and I can't imagine that requirement has been waved for the UK. So, unless you have official permission to share what you know and can prove that you are allowed to, please DON'T post any comments relating to the London Live here anymore.

Thank you very much.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: aruzo on July 14, 2008, 05:24:03 PM
Quote from: "PanthereNoire"
^ I DON'T think that's what the original poster meant.

There is WAY to much money and organisation involved for any band, X or whoever, to cancel a live over something like a premature announcement.

In fact, the Tokyo Lives were "scooped" by a local paper before they were announced officially.

However...

@aruzo: I think it would be better if you refrained from posting things you might have learned while working with promoters or other people related to the world tour. Standard practice with people even only helping out with events, you have to sign a non disclosure agreement and I can't imagine that requirement has been waved for the UK. So, unless you have official permission to share what you know and can prove that you are allowed to, please DON'T post any comments relating to the London Live here anymore.

Thank you very much.


I wern't official. I was just helping a friend. Everythings went to pot basically. Paris here we come.
Title: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: PanthereNoire on July 14, 2008, 05:33:19 PM
Then please post things you just "heard" as rumour, would you.

And I understand you want to keep other fans informed, but please let's be clear what is actually official and what it not. :)
Title: Re: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Acchi on August 17, 2008, 02:53:08 PM
That would.. make my life :|
Id have to get a short boat across or a plane or something but its a hell of alot closer to me than Paris :D
please..be..true. O _ O''
Title: Re: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Tordek42 on August 17, 2008, 03:39:20 PM
If you read the last few posts you'd see that the rumour is not true, Paris is the first gig of the tour, not London
Title: Re: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: Acchi on August 17, 2008, 04:21:23 PM
Oh, im sorry, i just got over excited by the fact it might be true and forgot to read on. :(
Damn..
Title: Re: [Rumour] X Japan London - September 27th Wembley Arena
Post by: jibril on August 20, 2008, 09:04:23 PM
this would have been soo great