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The band => The Concerts => X JAPAN World Tour => Topic started by: Sander on September 12, 2010, 01:03:21 AM
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Vampires Everywhere, a metal band from Hollywood just announced that they'll be joining up with X Japan for their North American tour as a support band. They have over 22,000 fans on MySpace and over 12,000 on Facebook:
hey there all you vamptramps, fangbangers, metalheads, pop killers, or otherwise music lovers!
J_Killa [the bands keyboardist] here with some KILLER news about some exciting shows coming up in the very near future with the legendary Japanese band, X Japan.
Here are their official websites (you can listen to sample music on the first two):
MySpace (http://www.myspace.com/vampireseverywhere)
Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/VampiresEverywhere)
Twitter (http://twitter.com/VAMPEVERYWHERE)
YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/VampiresEverywhereTV)
Stickam (http://stickam.com/vampseverywhere)
Source: Vampires Everywhere official Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/notes/vampires-everywhere/uscanada-shows-with-x-japan-d/431018332794)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.noisecreep.com/media/2010/01/ve-400-gdp-1710.jpg)
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I checked out their song on Facebook, I wish I didn't :(
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Hmm...I was hoping for an X Solo act, but I suppose this will bring in a new pocket of fans to X's crowd.
EDIT: Just checked out their facebook song. Sounds like Atreyu with Autotune. I like Atreyu but hate Autotune.
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Autotuned to death. Load of owld shite. They could have picked much better than this. Not that it matters really.
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thank you for the news now is to see if this band is as good as the X
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I would hate the crowd to be brought down by the first band before X comes out.
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Honestly I believe that most people will be in the lobby when the openers are playing or showing up late.
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Meh, I'm gonna try to be front row. Front row for poopoo to open (sorry for any mispellings i'm a bit drunk).
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The music can take on, but that ugly screaming voice :o (hurts my ears!!!)
I suppose it is custom in USA to have supporting band...
I really hope there will be no supporting band in their Europe Tour!!!!
Wondering what Ulquiorra will think from that ugly screaming voice?
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Listened to a couple of tracks...not liking what I hear. Although on the upside, after this band finishes their less than impressive set, it'll make X's entrance on stage that more epic!
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too bad this opening sucks
gonna be worst now that i see them 3 times...
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goddamn it, I can't believe I'm gunna have to stand through like an hour of this crap before X >:( *sigh* oh well just an other minor setback.
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I'm pretty opened minded with my rock music but REALLY?!?!?!? This is one form of Rock here in america I CAN'T FREAKING STAND.
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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
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If anyone would like to vent it out I'm in the chat. Trying not to explode.
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X, I am disapoint
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WHAT THE FUCK YOSHIKI YOU SON OF A. That's bullshit, I paid to see X Japan and ONLY X Japan, the ticket says X Japan, FUCK THIS SHIT
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Bands themselves very rarely have much to do with choosing the opening act. It's usually the promoter's decision unless the band specifically asks for a particular act.
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Their facebook: " X Japan was awesome enough to ask us to play with them :) we're stoooked! don't worry though, the dates are far enough apart that we can play some other rad cities on our own in between i bet ;) <3 -J"
.....sadness ensues now.
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@CreepyKlutz
That can still mean "X' management" or "X' promoters" or a lot of other things, really...
But anyway, it's just a opening band, so who cares? o_O; If you happen to like it, it's fine, and if not, well, doesn't matter.
Although on the upside, after this band finishes their less than impressive set, it'll make X's entrance on stage that more epic!
That's the spirit! xD
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Well, I can imagine they're not going to be pleased with 2000 faces staring back at them with their arms crossed with a "Well, this is what I paid for?" look on their face. WTF.
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@CreepyKlutz
That can still mean "X' management" or "X' promoters" or a lot of other things, really...
But anyway, it's just a opening band, so who cares? o_O; If you happen to like it, it's fine, and if not, well, doesn't matter.
Although on the upside, after this band finishes their less than impressive set, it'll make X's entrance on stage that more epic!
That's the spirit! xD
No it does matter. How fair is it to tack on this shit band a month after ticket sales and a month before most of the shows. We paid to see X Japan and it's pretty fucked up when a completely unworthy band is going to take time away from X on stage...
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@CreepyKlutz
That can still mean "X' management" or "X' promoters" or a lot of other things, really...
Yeah, that's true. I guess I just kinda expected something different with an opener for X.
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The worst part is that their teeny-bopper fanbase is going to suck up all the remaining tickets and anyone who is an X fan is going to get fucked out of seeing them live.
Seriously, do these guys understand what they've signed themselves up for? Do they understand that they can be around for 100 years and NEVER gain the popularity that X has?
Why this band? Why not a more popular and well-liked band that doesn't remind me of bad scene kids?
IS... is X seriously aiming for those kinds of people as fans? Really?
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The worst part is that their teeny-bopper fanbase is going to suck up all the remaining tickets and anyone who is an X fan is going to get fucked out of seeing them live.
Seriously, do these guys understand what they've signed themselves up for? Do they understand that they can be around for 100 years and NEVER gain the popularity that X has?
Why this band? Why not a more popular and well-liked band that doesn't remind me of bad scene kids?
IS... is X seriously aiming for those kinds of people as fans? Really?
It's never really hit me until this point but I truly fear for the direction of X Japan now. I should've seen it coming with the style of I.V and then the whole Yoshiki-werewolf thing..they are going so goth now...and they can see the twilight/vampire crap is so popular here they figure it's their key to the U.S market...fail.....ugh..I miss the VK days.
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Unfortunately... I'm agreeing with you. They're aiming for those fans so hard they're willing to tag their band in the same sentence as a band twenty years ago they would have preferred nothing more than to piss in their beers and punch them in the face repeatedly. I'm a bit disgusted in X as a whole--there's aiming for an audience you can reach and target, and then there's this. This is blatantly selling out.
I enjoyed their new music to a point, but if their first single in the US includes the words 'vampire' 'bite me' or something involving that bullshit, I'm out. I will love X eternally, but I will not be able to support selling out to the highest bidder.
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@Sai:
Im gonna guess you dont like Vamps either? lol
But seriously this shit blows. I expected at the most 3 hours of just X and with the breaks Yoshiki likes to take at least a good 12-15 songs but now I have to stomach a band I dont even care about? That means even less time for X to play so a possible 7 actual songs (With guitar/piano solos in between)
*sigh*
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lol it's just a SUPPORT BAND people!!!!Chill!!
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I don't mind VAMPS as much as you would think I would, mostly because they never pretended to be something they weren't. When I looked at them I knew what I was getting from the beginning--a lot of cover songs and a wanna-be monster theme. I went in expecting that, and I (half-heartedly) got what I figured I'd get. Plus, bands like VAMPS generally only play with the bare-based visuals and they play okay music (that isn't half as autotuned as I would expect.) When you go to a concert you know that the guys on stage know they aren't monsters and that they're playing David Bowie songs.
My problem with Vampires Everywhere is that they are exactly what I hate about the music industry right now-- they more than fed themselves in with a gimmick, they drowned themselves in it. They make awful music and pretend to be underworld gods. They know their music isn't possibly marketable to most people, so they'll feed it to the only people willing to listen--which are generally generic wanna-be goths.
It's not about the music, it's about the marketing. If they market themselves to be demi-gods and vampires and they get a cult following that then markets into a 'mainstream-unstream', it doesn't matter if they know anything about music or how to play their instrument. I've seen it happen more times than I can count on both hands--I've got family in the industry. It's about stealing the market, playing to what they want rather than playing what you love and the quality is the last thing on that list. They want to fit in with everything else.
Which is why I'm angry at X--what are they playing at? They're turning toward an audience that honestly cares less about quality and more about what's popular. They're playing toward what the 'mainstream-unstream' wants. These are the guys who shop at Hot Topic and think that they're awesome and their music is awesome, without realizing that they're just like the pop-music market in their consumption of anything that pops up on those walls.
By attempting to get their shit into the mainstream, I fear that X will happily sacrifice their dignity to get on Hot Topic's wall. Will their be less quality music? Will they even care?
Is Toshi going to start talking about slitting his wrists and drinking newborn baby blood and doing it all with a scratch auto-tuned scream?
That gives me nightmares.
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Speaking of Hot Topic...the shockhound interview...should've made the connection.
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I believe the best way to explain how I feel on this subject is this:
Go look up "Welcome to the Machine" on youtube. Pink Floyd Version.
It's how the music scene survives and thrives. It always has been. *shrug*
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I just listened to these guys..I dont see the big deal...just another random screamo/metal/hardcore band...The autotune is a huge HUGE WTF. Terrible.
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lol it's just a SUPPORT BAND people!!!!Chill!!
That. It's not that X would have played a 4 hour gig and now they will split it with the opening act.
On Topic: I think Vampires Everywhere suck.
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Wondering what Ulquiorra will think from that ugly screaming voice?
If you think I talk about/analyse Toshi's voice too much in my posts I'll try to stop XD. But yeah, the Vampires' singer is terrible. *imagines X Japan touring with Blind Guardian* (seriously the epicness of that would be immense).
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No it does matter. How fair is it to tack on this shit band a month after ticket sales and a month before most of the shows. We paid to see X Japan and it's pretty fucked up when a completely unworthy band is going to take time away from X on stage...
Ummm when I saw Ra:IN live in Berlin and Köln last year, the tickets didn't say anything about a support band. The promotion didn't mention a word of it. And what did we get? A support band. In Berlin, actually, there were two. I didn't really complain, since one guy did some X Japan covers (if I remember correctly) and (even with a bad first impression) I ended up really liking the second group. I know it probably won't happen here, but just so you know, unless the support band is also really big, they don't really have to promote both of them. They just stick a more green group in the front to gain some publicity to them.
So all in all, it's just a support band. You can chill in the lobby while they play (ofc, unless you have standing tickets) or play QuadraPop on your cellphone (it's like tetris, but with musical notes as blocks). Having your iPod out might be also a possibility. But making a scene is just really bad manners. And remember, if you start boo-ing their band, their fans will do twice that to X. Rabid fangirls aren't rational with things like that. So if you see someone next to you badmouthing the support band, give them the good old elbow-in-the-ribs and tell them to stfu. It's a support band, they have fans like X does, they have every right to be there, who fucking cares.
By the way, from what I saw on twitter and their Facebook comments, there are quite a few fans who like both of them. Yes it is possible. So respect that!
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Amen brother.
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Isn't it all seating?
Just arrive 10 minutes prior to X coming on stage if you want to skip this band.
I've seen plenty of opening acts that I don't particularly like but I'm not prepared to act like an idiot and start booing or crying over the matter, it's pretty disrespectful regardless of whoever the band be. Just appreciate the fact you're seeing X Japan, everything extra is a bonus.
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I have to say.. I saw all the bad comments and thought "thats a bit harsh, they cant be that bad".
Sorry I doubted you guys, they're awful LOL.
I'd rather not have to listen to them but I dont have a choice. Fortunately for me, I think the ballroom tickets are sold out anyway so it'll mostly be X fans and not crazy fangirls for this bunch of tards. 30-45 minutes of this crap to see my favourite band of all time? Not a perfect situation by any means but I'll survive :D
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wtf is this, I dont even...
This just doesnt make sense.
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Ummm when I saw Ra:IN live in Berlin and Köln last year, the tickets didn't say anything about a support band. The promotion didn't mention a word of it. And what did we get? A support band. In Berlin, actually, there were two. I didn't really complain, since one guy did some X Japan covers (if I remember correctly) and (even with a bad first impression) I ended up really liking the second group. I know it probably won't happen here, but just so you know, unless the support band is also really big, they don't really have to promote both of them. They just stick a more green group in the front to gain some publicity to them.
So all in all, it's just a support band. You can chill in the lobby while they play (ofc, unless you have standing tickets) or play QuadraPop on your cellphone (it's like tetris, but with musical notes as blocks). Having your iPod out might be also a possibility. But making a scene is just really bad manners. And remember, if you start boo-ing their band, their fans will do twice that to X. Rabid fangirls aren't rational with things like that. So if you see someone next to you badmouthing the support band, give them the good old elbow-in-the-ribs and tell them to stfu. It's a support band, they have fans like X does, they have every right to be there, who fucking cares.
By the way, from what I saw on twitter and their Facebook comments, there are quite a few fans who like both of them. Yes it is possible. So respect that!
I agree!
I've seen plenty of opening acts that I don't particularly like but I'm not prepared to act like an idiot and start booing or crying over the matter, it's pretty disrespectful regardless of whoever the band be. Just appreciate the fact you're seeing X Japan, everything extra is a bonus.
I agree!
If you think I talk about/analyse Toshi's voice too much in my posts I'll try to stop XD. But yeah, the Vampires' singer is terrible. *imagines X Japan touring with Blind Guardian* (seriously the epicness of that would be immense).
Nono! Don't stop! It is interesting and it amuses me a lot :D
About the supporting band: let's wait to have seen them live befor judging.
And if we don't like them, let us show respect!
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In Germany there were support bands at almost all rock concerts I have seen for over 20 years ... and most of them sucked more or less badly. And guess what - I didn´t die from that and sometimes even had a good laugh :) Even if this band is horrible, it´s a really small price to pay for finally being able to see X Japan - something we here in Europe may never be able to!
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Oh man. Hopefully they won't be on for long.
No offense to them, but I can't stand "post-hardcore" music. Once again, I'm grateful X Japan is on tour. Hopefully these guys realize how lucky they are.
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Hahah I laugh at all of the "oh let's be respectful" comments. Vampires Everywhere is truly on the level with the likes of Justin Bieber shit imo. Lowest level of "music" I can think of... it sounds like something that was written by an angsty 14 y/o in high school who is emo as hell and uses Garageband and autotune. I'm sorry but the whole vampire/twilight thing is fucking stupid and this band is a blatant ripoff. I listened to 4 songs from this band and the lyrics suck/are dumb, there is little to no complexity in any of the riffs, drum fills it's all just outa the book fuckin strumming, the band members look retarded with that makeup, and the autotuned parts make them sound a bit like Owl City which just throws a whole other fucked up twist on this mess of a "band". You know what, I can't wait till they appear on stage, because I will have such a great time booing the fuck out of them until it's time for the legends to come on stage.
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I don't really like screamo of any kind at all, my limit is System of a Down, I can listen to the screamo that happens in some of their songs, but I can't stand anything beyond that.
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Hahah I laugh at all of the "oh let's be respectful" comments. Vampires Everywhere is truly on the level with the likes of Justin Bieber shit imo. Lowest level of "music" I can think of... it sounds like something that was written by an angsty 14 y/o in high school who is emo as hell and uses Garageband and autotune. I'm sorry but the whole vampire/twilight thing is fucking stupid and this band is a blatant ripoff. I listened to 4 songs from this band and the lyrics suck/are dumb, there is little to no complexity in any of the riffs, drum fills it's all just outa the book fuckin strumming, the band members look retarded with that makeup, and the autotuned parts make them sound a bit like Owl City which just throws a whole other fucked up twist on this mess of a "band". You know what, I can't wait till they appear on stage, because I will have such a great time booing the fuck out of them until it's time for the legends to come on stage.
Why are you bringing up Justin Bieber now? People make enough fun of her already, it's getting more tiresome than Bieber herself. She has millions of fans who like what she does so you shouldn't judge her! But seriously comparing VE with JB is like... Comparing some local weirdo-band from down the street with Britney Spears. One has some crazy fans, the other millions of fans all over the globe, even though both suck in one way or other. Plus, unlike the VE singer, Bieber can actually sing.
But all in all, it's disrespectful to boo a band, specially a support band just because they are 1000x worse than the main act. They have their fans who like them for whatever reason so you should respect that. Plus, from what I understood they have worse fangirls than X so it's better to stay chill until the main act comes on the stage.
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The worst part is that their teeny-bopper fanbase is going to suck up all the remaining tickets and anyone who is an X fan is going to get fucked out of seeing them live.
I really don't think that will happen. I can't imagine any fans of this band will pay whatever the ticket price is to see them play for 30 minutes or so.
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The worst part is that their teeny-bopper fanbase is going to suck up all the remaining tickets and anyone who is an X fan is going to get fucked out of seeing them live.
I really don't think that will happen. I can't imagine any fans of this band will pay whatever the ticket price is to see them play for 30 minutes or so.
Plus all the parents won't pay upwards of $80-100 to let their little vampires see their crappy twilight band, no matter how much they say they will cut their wrists and act emo...god it makes me sick.
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It's highly unlikely Vampires Everywhere! has a sizable fanbase - especially not a fanbase that is willing to pay like $82 (like at the Toronto show) to see some band who have like, 5 songs.
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Exactly, which is the best thing for us X fans at this time. It's depressing as hell that we have to sit through this horrid band for a few songs but once they are off the stage (hopefully for rest of the night) it will be alright. My worst nightmare would be them playing a song(s) with X Japan...ugh I think I'd have to walk out.
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Hahaha. If they play with X Japan... oh man. They're from LA, so I wonder if they know Yoshiki or something?
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Or worse, Yoshiki getting influence from hearing the Vampires' performance. The new X Japan songs-screamo Toshi.
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Or worse, Yoshiki getting influence from hearing the Vampires' performance. The new X Japan songs-screamo Toshi.
And Yoshiki cutting his chest..
NO.
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Wasn't there a band where the lead singer (famously) did that? I think it was on a lot of internet articles, or maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
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Wasn't there a band where the lead singer (famously) did that? I think it was on a lot of internet articles, or maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
Yeah, there was. And still is. It's Dir en Grey, their lead singer, Kyo, has cutted himself many times in their gigs, and also spilled his blood to the crowd and other nice things... Not sure if he does that anymore, but the band lives.
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Ah yeah I remember now, thanks.
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Oh my god... This is just pathetic...
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I'm just guessing but they had an agreement with X Japan that if the tickets did not sell out, they have to add an opener for the shows.
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I'm just guessing but they had an agreement with X Japan that if the tickets did not sell out, they have to add an opener for the shows.
This is one of my thoughts as well. I think ticket sales have been OK but nothing spectacular. My idea is that everyone who pretty much would be going to one of the shows, had bought their ticket within the first day(s)/week of them being available. I'm just pulling my guess-timations from looking at what's available on both Ticketmaster (and in my case, Massey Hall) and I've been pulling up the same kinds of seats for almost 2 weeks now. As long as they don't cancel the shows, I really couldn't care how many people show up haha.
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That sure is some generic sounding stuff. Can't say I really like it or dislike it. Just sounds, well, generic.
I'm surprised they didn't announce this earlier but whatever. 20 minutes of this for a couple hours of X (give or take) is a sacrifise I'm willing to make. :P
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20 minutes of this for a couple hours of X (give or take) is a sacrifise I'm willing to make. :P
I really hope this means we still get 2 hours at least of X
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Yeah sure theyll get a 2 hour timeslot but think of all the breaks Yoshiki likes to takes due to his health. So think of the actual playing time. Doesnt sound like a lot of time :(
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It's highly unlikely Vampires Everywhere! has a sizable fanbase - especially not a fanbase that is willing to pay like $82 (like at the Toronto show) to see some band who have like, 5 songs.
Well they have almost 13,000 fans on Facebook (and over 22,000 on MySpace, but bands there just spam everybody with invites so that number isn't really realistic) and a lot of comments have said that people are actually buying the tickets (tho mostly it's whining about them not coming to someone's hometown/-state). So I guess the concerts (specially the LA one) will have a small VE following. Plus, there really are quite a few people who have mentioned that they really like both X and VE.
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Looks like they got picked because they're all emo Visual.
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They asked me who I would prefer to see them play with. I had to bite my tongue and not respond with 'anyone but you.'
I hate emo-screamo music with a passion. It's awful.
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I'm hoping you people aren't think that if there was no opening act X would play longer.
At best, you'd get to your homes earlier....
Anyway, as I leave in Europe and can't attend the lives I don't give a rat's ass about who or what the support band is.
And if I were to see X I still wouldn't care. Going to see them would be enough for me.
But the fact that some of you started bashing the band again just when the band's name was announced is really pissing me off.
I don't care how much VE suck or how much you dislike them but seriously.......you people are just SO goddamn annoying sometimes.
90% of the times you have nothing good to say but when it comes to something bad you will immediately jump in and curse and whine and bash Yoshiki or Toshi or anyone and all of them.
I honestly can't understand that but whatever.....if you really think that the opening act is going to have that much of a zomg huge impact on the live...go ahead and continue yelling.
Mind you, that I'm still in the other side of the ocean and I wish I had the chance to see them even if it meant having to sit through 3 hours of an opening act as bad and annoying as the one for Juno Reactor when I saw them 2-3 years ago.
/whining off.
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While I have stated that I don't like this Vampires Everywhere band, I never said it will put a wet blanket on my night. I mean, I'm finally seeing X Japan live!
Believe me, I've seen MUCH MUCH MUCH worse bands than Vampires Everywhere.
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I'm still looking forward to this concert more than anything-- I really want to see X. Have for years. But sometimes wanting to rant a little about stupid management decisions is okay. It's not hurting anyone and it's getting out our anger so we don't actually treat the band like crap when they get on. I'm not going to boo them--I'll probably just ignore them and fight my way up to the front during the time they have alloted.
I'd actually be rather disappointed if they were treated badly--not because I think their music is anything but sub-par, but it makes the entire set of fans look bad. I think most of us feel the same way--get out our anger now so when we have to deal with them it'll be either less worse than we were expecting or just as bad as we were expecting. There's not going to be any surprise in it at all.
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I don't care how much VE suck or how much you dislike them but seriously.......you people are just SO goddamn annoying sometimes.
90% of the times you have nothing good to say but when it comes to something bad you will immediately jump in and curse and whine and bash Yoshiki or Toshi or anyone and all of them.
Ummm I don't think anyone bashed or whined about Yoshiki or Toshi here... We have whining about them in other threads (which I try to keep minimal and encourage constructive criticism, but hey, some people just never learn) but I don't think it has happened here. Plus most of the people who whined here listened to the band first.
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I don't care how much VE suck or how much you dislike them but seriously.......you people are just SO goddamn annoying sometimes.
90% of the times you have nothing good to say but when it comes to something bad you will immediately jump in and curse and whine and bash Yoshiki or Toshi or anyone and all of them.
Ummm I don't think anyone bashed or whined about Yoshiki or Toshi here... We have whining about them in other threads (which I try to keep minimal and encourage constructive criticism, but hey, some people just never learn) but I don't think it has happened here. Plus most of the people who whined here listened to the band first.
WHAT THE FUCK YOSHIKI YOU SON OF A. That's bullshit, I paid to see X Japan and ONLY X Japan, the ticket says X Japan, FUCK THIS SHIT
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Okay, yeah there was that... But I believe it was more of a spur-of-the-moment thing. I don't think anyone believes it was Yoshiki who actually chose them.
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I don't care how much VE suck or how much you dislike them but seriously.......you people are just SO goddamn annoying sometimes.
90% of the times you have nothing good to say but when it comes to something bad you will immediately jump in and curse and whine and bash Yoshiki or Toshi or anyone and all of them.
Ummm I don't think anyone bashed or whined about Yoshiki or Toshi here... We have whining about them in other threads (which I try to keep minimal and encourage constructive criticism, but hey, some people just never learn) but I don't think it has happened here. Plus most of the people who whined here listened to the band first.
WHAT THE FUCK YOSHIKI YOU SON OF A. That's bullshit, I paid to see X Japan and ONLY X Japan, the ticket says X Japan, FUCK THIS SHIT
Sorry if it's too much for you to handle...but I have just as much right to complain and express my anger about this as you do condemning me for it. In my opinion, this is the best X Japan forum with the most accurate, up-to-date information with freedom of speech and sharing songs, videos, torrents etc. Yes, I raged hard about this and I still feel really angry about it, but until we find out (if we do) who was responsible for setting up this band to open for X Japan, then I still feel like I can come down on Yoshiki. I mean hell, we all know how controlling Yoshiki is, do you really think this would happen without his opinion or consent at all? No. You make it seem like Yoshiki is some god and we can never criticize him or go easy on him because he is going through a lot. Pft, yes, he is a very busy man who has a lot on his plate and has gone through a TON of crap through his life in the industry but he's rich as fuck, more successful than most artists could dream of and is continuing to live his dream. Everyone has their faults and it's only human to critique them.
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I believe I just found our missing link.
Watch Vampires Everywhere's "My Immortal" "Immortal Love" video. Now, go trace down the new Rusty Nail PV. Or the opening for Jade. Opening for Jade may be better, actually
Scrub Blondie's face.
Now, look who we have here!
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee32/solaequi/XJapanThing.png)
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Ha ha! Nice catch. Did not notice that.
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OMG lol that's sooo funny and definitely amazing catch.
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*bows*
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Holy crap! Hahaha. You know what's funny? When I saw the girl in that video (Vampires Everywhere! video that is) I thought "Why does she remind me of X Japan?" haha.
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Holy cow. vampy band sound horrible What is Yoshiki think ?
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Have to say I wasnt really expecting an opening band for X Japan, but you take what you get I watched the video and well all I know is its a nice way for me to get a few drinks before the show starts. I'm just counting down the 12 days for the LA show and right after the Oakland show.
Im looking forward to seeing X Japan and only them, the opening show just takes away from the whole live show but it's normal for bands to have an opener....lets just hope X Japan does some nice long sets.
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Kinda disappointed to see there will be an opening band and I'm sick of all the vampire stuff that's in pop culture these days but honestly, I don't think they sound THAT bad.
I just hope this doesn't take any time away from X's time on stage.
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...then I still feel like I can come down on Yoshiki. I mean hell, we all know how controlling Yoshiki is, do you really think this would happen without his opinion or consent at all? No. You make it seem like Yoshiki is some god and we can never criticize him or go easy on him because he is going through a lot. Pft, yes, he is a very busy man who has a lot on his plate and has gone through a TON of crap through his life in the industry but he's rich as fuck, more successful than most artists could dream of and is continuing to live his dream. Everyone has their faults and it's only human to critique them.
I'm sorry but you have misunderstood me. What I pointed out to roseofpain, who pointed out that any time anything goes wrong everybody starts bashing Yoshiki and Toshi, that nobody in this thread has done so. She then pointed your post out and I was like, oh yeah there's that, but otherwise not really. I don't have anything against constructive criticism (as you can see from a lot of other threads), though I do like to see it stay as constructive as possible and not turn it into a whinefest. But that's that.
About who picked the band, the MOST probable scenario is that the US promotion agency/management picked out the band and MAYBE showed Yoshiki a video/audio clip and said 'This is what we are getting, I hope you don't mind'. It's possible that it only reached Yoshiki's Japanese management, as they are known for often working quite independently (postponing concerts and making other important decisions). There are other options possible, but I can't imagine Yoshiki having a bigger role in it due to his busy schedule and the limited time left until the tour starts. I'm not trying to make you go easy on him, I'm just trying to bring out the most probable scenarios, which in this case, in my opinion, is what I wrote a few lines back.
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I don't see why everyone is getting so pissy.
No one usually gives a shit about the warm-up bands anyway. I've just got back from seeing Muse at Wembley and they had 6 warm-up acts over 2 nights, none of which the crowd really paid too much attention to. Most fans ditch the warm up and turn up before the main act.
And the notion that X's show will be shortened because a warm-up is bullshit. Muse played for nearly 3 hours after 3 warm-up acts, and X Japan don't play short shows, the Lolla' set was under a strict time limit, this is their own gig, they can play as long as the local authorities allow it.
And think on the plus side, these guys are like the pop-punk emo equivalent of Visual Kei, probably the closest genre to X Japan's demographic which exists in America. If stringing these guys along for a few shows draws in a couple hundred fans from a similar genre then it's a shrewd business move.
Go check out the comments Vampires Everywhere are getting. Loads of their fans are buying tickets to see them with X Japan. It's basically ensuring that X fill their venues and also making sure that X Japan are introduced to a whole new demographic who are most likely going to dig their music. I don't understand why people are being so overprotective and irrational. This is X Japan breaking into America, how the hell did you think they were going to do it? Play once at Lollapalooza and suddenly come away as super-stars? What a joke. If you talk to any small band then they'll tell you that they only play gigs to pick up fans and build a fanbase, at such a small level there is simply no money in it.
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Stop and think what kind of message this delivers to serious music lovers that may were a bit curious about checking out X-Japan. If you ask me there's no way this can benefit X-Japan.
For them to be coupled with some kind of gimmicky and looked down upon act can ruin their image for alot of people and press, it could just happen that X's entire show will be judged with the same state of mind after seeing such bullshit. Its all about how you portrait yourself when trying to break the market, and this just isnt the right way.
Just imagine you happen to know Vampires Everywhere, for whatever reason(maybe you've seen it on mtv), and you're not part of some kind of scene and obviously think that shit is kind of weird, fake and musically terrible.. Now you're walking down the street or surfing the internet and you come across a flyer for one of the concerts, you've never heard about X-Japan so all you see is some weird dressed Japanese guys (one that's wearing a fucking pirate outfit) that are touring with Vampires Everywhere.. There's no way you are thinking about checking X-Japan out now, for obvious reasons. People naturally assume the opening and main act are musically somewhat, while this may be an unfair assumption, it definitely is the case.
So all that can happen in my eyes is that X gains the interest of some Vampires Everywhere fans, and loses the possible interest of everybody else, not to mention every X fan is just going to be annoyed by the scene and music they get coupled with at the concert.
Its not just an opening act for an established band, its a new thing in the US and it's very possible that ALOT more people know Vampires Everywhere, including press.
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You know, I actually like vampires... Didn't know that the vampire/twilight thing had gotten this far :P Here in Holland I've mostly seen vampire books... and since I don't mind more of those I was more or less ok with it.
This is indeed to much. I think the music would be "ok" without the screaming, but then it wouldn't really fit their image XD Maybe they are not that bad live?
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I don't see why everyone is getting so pissy.
No one usually gives a shit about the warm-up bands anyway. I've just got back from seeing Muse at Wembley and they had 6 warm-up acts over 2 nights, none of which the crowd really paid too much attention to. Most fans ditch the warm up and turn up before the main act.
And the notion that X's show will be shortened because a warm-up is bullshit. Muse played for nearly 3 hours after 3 warm-up acts, and X Japan don't play short shows, the Lolla' set was under a strict time limit, this is their own gig, they can play as long as the local authorities allow it.
And think on the plus side, these guys are like the pop-punk emo equivalent of Visual Kei, probably the closest genre to X Japan's demographic which exists in America. If stringing these guys along for a few shows draws in a couple hundred fans from a similar genre then it's a shrewd business move.
Go check out the comments Vampires Everywhere are getting. Loads of their fans are buying tickets to see them with X Japan. It's basically ensuring that X fill their venues and also making sure that X Japan are introduced to a whole new demographic who are most likely going to dig their music. I don't understand why people are being so overprotective and irrational. This is X Japan breaking into America, how the hell did you think they were going to do it? Play once at Lollapalooza and suddenly come away as super-stars? What a joke. If you talk to any small band then they'll tell you that they only play gigs to pick up fans and build a fanbase, at such a small level there is simply no money in it.
This.
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I dont agree about the Muse statement... Everybody in the whole fucking world knows Muse, so an opening act really is just an opening act and people know exactly what to expect from the main act. This ofcourse is not the case with X-Japan. I also don't agree about the demographic and the general opinion it has. It's just not something you want to be compared with. Its as simple as that. The few hundred fans you gain with it may work the exact opposite for other possible fans, something really logical when you are talking about extremes.
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Just imagine you happen to know Vampires Everywhere, for whatever reason(maybe you've seen it on mtv)...
LOL no. These guys will not get on MTV, ever.
Also, no one ever judges a performance of a band by the opening act, ever. If they do, they are newbies and suck.
Also, there is almost zero promotion for the whole tour, except for generally really positive articles online (and a few on paper). There are no fliers anywhere (as far as we know) and that one ad someone said was on a free metro newspaper in Toronto (I think) is probably small and probably doesn't include VE.
Also, VE has a reasonable underground following, but people who have heard about them but don't like them probably will forget about them in a few days.
Also, if you see some ad for the X Japan tour, or a really positive article, then you won't go to the concert without checking them out on YouTube before. If you like what you see, you'll go to the concert, even if there's a crappy support band. Because everyone knows (as some have pointed out) that opening acts are generally crappy bands that promoters want to promote.
And finally, no one has considered that they might actually be decent live. If they are not, feel free to flip them off and then play poker with friends.
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Just imagine you happen to know Vampires Everywhere, for whatever reason(maybe you've seen it on mtv)...
LOL no. These guys will not get on MTV, ever.
Why? Because MTV has quality in a high standard? I so see them coming on MTV. :D They are singed with Century Media records afterall. I'm talking worst case scenario's here. When breaking the market an opening act can really help you.
Also, google 'Vampires Eveywhere MTV'. I have no clue what that first link is, could be nothing, could be uploaded by someone, dno.
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Is the issue here a case of getting to the front, so you're closer to the stage? so you can say to your friends "I was at the front and Yoshiki stared at me!" I really don't understand what the fuss is about with regards to the support. Are people worried that the Vampires Everywhere fans might claim their precious spot on the floor?
Just about every band out there has obscure and unknown support acts, it doesn't matter if they're good or not, you paid to see the main band, nothing has been taken away.
If you're the type of person who doesn't listen to X because of the support act, then I seriously question your logic behind that. Any rational music fan would take time to check out the band's music before making such hasty decisions.
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Is the issue here a case of getting to the front, so you're closer to the stage? so you can say to your friends "I was at the front and Yoshiki stared at me!" I really don't understand what the fuss is about with regards to the support. Are people worried that the Vampires Everywhere fans might claim their precious spot on the floor?
Just about every band out there has obscure and unknown support acts, it doesn't matter if they're good or not, you paid to see the main band, nothing has been taken away.
If you're the type of person who doesn't listen to X because of the support act, then I seriously question your logic behind that. Any rational music fan would take time to check out the band's music before making such hasty decisions.
Not really. I'm not even going to see the concerts since I live in Europe, and I dont think anybody cares about precious spots being conquered by Vampires Everywhere fans. Ofcourse you visit the concert for X, and nothing else, that is the case if you are a fan of X. Anybody else could think otherwise. Atleast, thats how I see it. Lets just hope i'm completely off track. I just can't think of any reason how this could not work at their disadvantage besides ticket-sales, if anybody can, please say so :D
I dont really get where you're coming from with that last statement. Please don't confuse me with someone that cares alot about the actual topic, I just like to see different point of views.
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Stop and think what kind of message this delivers to serious music lovers that may were a bit curious about checking out X-Japan. If you ask me there's no way this can benefit X-Japan.
For them to be coupled with some kind of gimmicky and looked down upon act can ruin their image for alot of people and press, it could just happen that X's entire show will be judged with the same state of mind after seeing such bullshit. Its all about how you portrait yourself when trying to break the market, and this just isnt the right way.
Just imagine you happen to know Vampires Everywhere, for whatever reason(maybe you've seen it on mtv), and you're not part of some kind of scene and obviously think that shit is kind of weird, fake and musically terrible.. Now you're walking down the street or surfing the internet and you come across a flyer for one of the concerts, you've never heard about X-Japan so all you see is some weird dressed Japanese guys (one that's wearing a fucking pirate outfit) that are touring with Vampires Everywhere.. There's no way you are thinking about checking X-Japan out now, for obvious reasons. People naturally assume the opening and main act are musically somewhat, while this may be an unfair assumption, it definitely is the case.
So all that can happen in my eyes is that X gains the interest of some Vampires Everywhere fans, and loses the possible interest of everybody else, not to mention every X fan is just going to be annoyed by the scene and music they get coupled with at the concert.
Its not just an opening act for an established band, its a new thing in the US and it's very possible that ALOT more people know Vampires Everywhere, including press.
News flash. X Japan are a 'gimmicky and looked down upon act' and always have been. X Japan fans are called X Freaks for a reason, on the most part both inside and outside of Japan we're just a bunch of eclectic weirdos to everyone else.
I'm not sure what alternative you'd have in mind. X Japan playing a 'one man live' in America is fucking stupid. This isn't Japan, things work differently, and X's overseas fanbase is NOT big enough to justify the concert venues they have chosen alone, let alone charging large sums of money for tickets for their show to be the only act on the bill.
If X decided to bring along a few Japanese bands with them then they would be further alienating themselves by restricting their shows to JRock fans only. X Japan are going for the American market, not the existing JRock sub-culture.
Having a support act which has nothing to do with the JRock scene and has a fanbase which are likely to buy into X Japan's eclectic sound and appearance is a good business move. If you're gonna be all elitist on the subject then it speaks volumes about you, not whoever is responsible for booking this band as an opening act. End of.
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News flash. X Japan are a 'gimmicky and looked down upon act' and always have been. X Japan fans are called X Freaks for a reason, on the most part both inside and outside of Japan we're just a bunch of eclectic weirdos to everyone else.
I'm not sure what alternative you'd have in mind. X Japan playing a 'one man live' in America is fucking stupid. This isn't Japan, things work differently, and X's overseas fanbase is NOT big enough to justify the concert venues they have chosen alone, let alone charging large sums of money for tickets for their show to be the only act on the bill.
If X decided to bring along a few Japanese bands with them then they would be further alienating themselves by restricting their shows to JRock fans only. X Japan are going for the American market, not the existing JRock sub-culture.
Having a support act which has nothing to do with the JRock scene and has a fanbase which are likely to buy into X Japan's eclectic sound and appearance is a good business move. If you're gonna be all elitist on the subject then it speaks volumes about you, not whoever is responsible for booking this band as an opening act. End of.
Oh come on, don't come bringing terms like 'elitist' to the table. I don't like that approach and consider it to be completely irrelevant on the matter. Same goes for the kind of person I supposably am... and you are or anyone is, for that matter.
Is it completely un-fucking-possible to have a discussion on the matter without people letting their feelings intervene?
I consider the music of X to be taken serious on certain levels. Besides their over the top gimmicky act, they've got something to show for, and I would love to see them being considered like that and maybe coupled with something that fits it. I have never suggested or actually thought about them being coupled with some Japanese bands and completely agree on what you are saying about it being a bad move.
There just has to be something better, right? I know it's all label deals and such, but one can hope.. lol.
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Is the issue here a case of getting to the front, so you're closer to the stage? so you can say to your friends "I was at the front and Yoshiki stared at me!" I really don't understand what the fuss is about with regards to the support. Are people worried that the Vampires Everywhere fans might claim their precious spot on the floor?
Just about every band out there has obscure and unknown support acts, it doesn't matter if they're good or not, you paid to see the main band, nothing has been taken away.
If you're the type of person who doesn't listen to X because of the support act, then I seriously question your logic behind that. Any rational music fan would take time to check out the band's music before making such hasty decisions.
Not really. I'm not even going to see the concerts since I live in Europe, and I dont think anybody cares about precious spots being conquered by Vampires Everywhere fans. Ofcourse you visit the concert for X, and nothing else, that is the case if you are a fan of X. Anybody else could think otherwise. Atleast, thats how I see it. Lets just hope i'm completely off track. I just can't think of any reason how this could not work at their disadvantage besides ticket-sales, if anybody can, please say so :D
I dont really get where you're coming from with that last statement. Please don't confuse me with someone that cares alot about the actual topic, I just like to see different point of views.
The statement wasn't directed at you, hence my lack of quoting your original post. It was more of a general statement rather than a response to you.
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The statement wasn't directed at you, hence my lack of quoting your original post. It was more of a general statement rather than a response to you.
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Look, I can sit through the opening band. I'm dying to see X, their concert is at a perfect time for me, so I'll be happy as long as they don't cancel. They sound horrible in my opinion (mostly because I can't STAND autotune), but whatever. They can't be more mismatched than the opener I saw for the pillows that one time. Hell, I might even enjoy the utter hilariousness of it. But I'm worried there will be some animosity between super-fans of this band and super-fans of X Japan. I don't want to be injured, slashed, and clawed by fans trying to get to the front.
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I don't care how much VE suck or how much you dislike them but seriously.......you people are just SO goddamn annoying sometimes.
90% of the times you have nothing good to say but when it comes to something bad you will immediately jump in and curse and whine and bash Yoshiki or Toshi or anyone and all of them.
Ummm I don't think anyone bashed or whined about Yoshiki or Toshi here... We have whining about them in other threads (which I try to keep minimal and encourage constructive criticism, but hey, some people just never learn) but I don't think it has happened here. Plus most of the people who whined here listened to the band first.
Just for the record....I never said or thought that he is some sort of God who makes no mistakes etc etc. Far from it.Nor do I care when people criticize him or anyone else. I just don't like the bashing way of doing it and your comment did annoy me.......on top of many other comments I've seen in general. (not just in this thread, not just by you and most likely not just of this forum.)
I might be the weird one here but for me it's kind of impossible to see how can someone be a fan of a band and then still curse and swear and bash them when they do something he/she/it doesn't like. Criticizing is obviously fine but 'bashing'....eh.
Anyway, it doesn't matter...it was probably the wrong timing for me to read your first comment....>_<''
WHAT THE FUCK YOSHIKI YOU SON OF A. That's bullshit, I paid to see X Japan and ONLY X Japan, the ticket says X Japan, FUCK THIS SHIT
Sorry if it's too much for you to handle...but I have just as much right to complain and express my anger about this as you do condemning me for it. In my opinion, this is the best X Japan forum with the most accurate, up-to-date information with freedom of speech and sharing songs, videos, torrents etc. Yes, I raged hard about this and I still feel really angry about it, but until we find out (if we do) who was responsible for setting up this band to open for X Japan, then I still feel like I can come down on Yoshiki. I mean hell, we all know how controlling Yoshiki is, do you really think this would happen without his opinion or consent at all? No. You make it seem like Yoshiki is some god and we can never criticize him or go easy on him because he is going through a lot. Pft, yes, he is a very busy man who has a lot on his plate and has gone through a TON of crap through his life in the industry but he's rich as fuck, more successful than most artists could dream of and is continuing to live his dream. Everyone has their faults and it's only human to critique them.
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This cookie cutter scene band really sucks ass.
Everyone I know going to the shows is pissed off, Japanese fans included.
Let's boo them off the stage.
but if you want to join in trying to get them off the bill~ well, I can only think of one thing to do:
E-mail the tour management asking them to the smart thing.
cpl@wmeentertainment.com
I am going to boo them and flip them off the entire time from the front row, they are that lame and uncreative. V__V
I am a positive X fan and still overjoyed about the tour but I am really shocked and pissed off by this at the same time,
and we all have the right to be since we spent our hard earned money.
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This cookie cutter scene band really sucks ass.
Everyone I know going to the shows is pissed off, Japanese fans included.
Let's boo them off the stage.
but if you want to join in trying to get them off the bill~ well, I can only think of one thing to do:
E-mail the tour management asking them to the smart thing.
cpl@wmeentertainment.com
I am going to boo them and flip them off the entire time from the front row, they are that lame and uncreative. V__V
I am a positive X fan and still overjoyed about the tour but I am really shocked and pissed off by this at the same time,
and we all have the right to be since we spent our hard earned money.
Why not have a little respect and not be so irrational and immature?
You sicken me, what a ridiculous set of things to say.
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This cookie cutter scene band really sucks ass.
Everyone I know going to the shows is pissed off, Japanese fans included.
Let's boo them off the stage.
but if you want to join in trying to get them off the bill~ well, I can only think of one thing to do:
E-mail the tour management asking them to the smart thing.
cpl@wmeentertainment.com
I am going to boo them and flip them off the entire time from the front row, they are that lame and uncreative. V__V
I am a positive X fan and still overjoyed about the tour but I am really shocked and pissed off by this at the same time,
and we all have the right to be since we spent our hard earned money.
And every X member will here what you and anyone else booing and throwing stuff will have done, and I'm sure they'll be really impressed at you all when they walk out on stage.
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You're going to make us all look awful--seriously, they're going to think their American fans and petty and childish.
Bitch here, talk about how much you hate them, but at least give the band indifference when they're on stage. Booing is so childish and immature.
They're not going to come back if they think that's their fanbase.
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People, seriously, CALM DOWN. Almost every concert has openers, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THEM.
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Opening bands are a way to get bands know, and always have been. Some are chosen by the band itself others are chosen by the companies that represent the band but one way or another starting bands always want to open for some big names to get known.
Vampires Everywhere at least gets to ride on the X Japan name and lets hope the band really brings their A game because not everyone will be interested, but with a lil work they can get the fans in the mood for the main show. I will prob be around the bar area until the main show starts unless Vampires sparks any interest....as for the costume style I myself am kinda bored of the whole we are vampires era we are in taking away from the original and old school style I love. but whatever works for them.
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VE has a costume style? I didn't notice xD
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This cookie cutter scene band really sucks ass.
Everyone I know going to the shows is pissed off, Japanese fans included.
Let's boo them off the stage.
but if you want to join in trying to get them off the bill~ well, I can only think of one thing to do:
E-mail the tour management asking them to the smart thing.
cpl@wmeentertainment.com
I am going to boo them and flip them off the entire time from the front row, they are that lame and uncreative. V__V
I am a positive X fan and still overjoyed about the tour but I am really shocked and pissed off by this at the same time,
and we all have the right to be since we spent our hard earned money.
Just turn up after they're finished?
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ima camp out in the back of QE theater rather than being in my seat..then trip the bastards as they walk in.
then tell Yoshiki as they walk out on stage how much they suck. I will
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Uh who said anything about throwing stuff???
I and others can boo at a shitty opening band all we want.
I don't think X is going to care if their fans don't like the opening band. >.>
I've been to quite a few shows where the opening band got their asses handed to them,
It happens. (Example:Saosin opening for Tiger Army. Your asking for it in situations like this!)
You really think the reaction from X would be
"they didn't like that opening act that has nothing to do with us ever again after this tour! let's never come back here again!"
? ? ? ?
C'mon maaaan.
Booing a shitty opening band is nothing new, it is here to stay.
Even in Japan shitty bands get booed.
Everyone knows it can happen.
Welcome to reality, The music scene can be harsh.
That said, X will receive a truly awesome reaction from the crowd, can't say this pairing will benefit them in any way though!
Just turn up after they're finished?
1) My ticket for LA is a pit ticket but I must wait in line for a long time with my friends who do not have pit tickets.
2) My oakland ticket is not a pit ticket so I will be waiting in line for a long time so I can see X up close at that show.
3) I would never leave the room and loose my spot for any band I like's show. Even if the opening band is these clowns.
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I would be ashamed if I knew that X fans bood and had be throwing things to an opening band for an X Japan concert. I don't like that opening band, and I find that voice really ugly.But if I had the luck to be there,I would be looking at that opening band even if I don't like them.
Please don't ruin the atmosphere in the place where X will be playing after the opening band!!! In respect for X Japan, don't do it please!!!
It is not their fault that they have been asked to be there by the management and that we don't like them!They are just a supporting band and they will do their best like every supporting band.
Don't ruin the X Japan tour!!!
We all want it to be a great succes for X Japan, act like adults, and let it be a great succes for X!!!
I am sure that in real life you sometimes meet people that you don't understand how they are and that you don't like. Are you booing them and throwing things to them? You can just respect them being like they are and let them be!
If you like X Japan and if you like them having succes in USA tour, act like adults...
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Who mentioned throwing things? Throwing things is totally wrong.
It is really funny that you think an opening band getting booed
by a few people is really going to have so much bearing on the night.
Who the hell boos someone on the street? lol
Why are you comparing it to meeting someone in real life?
Well since you did that...
Uh... What did Yoshiki and hide used to do to people they met and didn't like???
They were fighting people often.
Red Forman would call you a bunch of nancies!
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/myfairlady383/dad.jpg)
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Who mentioned throwing things? Throwing things is totally wrong.
It is really funny that you think an opening band getting booed
by a few people is really going to have so much bearing on the night.
Who the hell boos someone on the street? lol
Why are you comparing it to meeting someone in real life?
Well since you did that...
Uh... What did Yoshiki and hide used to do to people they met and didn't like???
They were fighting people often.
Red Forman would call you a bunch of nancies!
My reply is not a reply to yours specifically, but in general to all what I just have finished read now that has been posted during the day (or night depending where you live) here and in other places.
I am comparing to meeting someone in real life yes...I don't see why people should react otherwise about meeting people in real life than meeting them in a theater. Being polite against others in the street and act like a pig against others in a theater???
X Japan will hear backstage what is happening in the theater, I think about that. (Sorry my english is not good enough to explain what I want to explain) But if I was the one hearing backstage a lot of shit happening in the theater, I will not have a good feeling.
And what did Yoshiki and hide when they were young has nothing to do with that, that is the past.
I don't know Red Forman and I don't care what he would say, and I don't know what is a bunch of nancies. Wondering what is the meaning of 'a bunch of nancies'?
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nancies=wimps basically.
I'm mainly just thinking about what Toshi/Yoshiki would think if they heard the band being unfairly insulted/booed of the stage. I think it would be upsetting to them.
And they might have been picked out to tour with X, maybe even forced to do it despite how much it seems they're happy to tour with X, so you can't really blame them for being there, its not like when MCR turns up at festivals like Gods of Metal/download and gets bottles thrown at them, that's a different story altogether.
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Who mentioned throwing things? Throwing things is totally wrong.
It is really funny that you think an opening band getting booed
by a few people is really going to have so much bearing on the night.
Who the hell boos someone on the street? lol
Why are you comparing it to meeting someone in real life?
Well since you did that...
Uh... What did Yoshiki and hide used to do to people they met and didn't like???
They were fighting people often.
Red Forman would call you a bunch of nancies!
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/myfairlady383/dad.jpg)
I don't care how you try and justify your intentions, but they're still immature and pointless.
What exactly do you aim to achieve by giving these guys a hard time? Make them go away hating the X Japan fans? Try and somehow teach them never to open for X Japan again, despite the fact that they have more-likely-than-not been given the gig by their management or a promoter?
Your fanboy over-protective logic makes no sense what-so-ever to people with an ounce of maturity or respect. If you don't like these guys then you're not asked to cheer for them, just let them play their set and spend your energy in rocking out to X Japan.
Grow up. Seriously.
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Thanks Ulquiorra :D
Google doesn't translate 'nancies', but it translated 'wimps' :D
Kairu, I can assure you that I am not wimps nor a nancie, really not ;D
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Kairu as a nick-name in the X Japan community rings a bell. As far as I can remember someone using the same name was active on JRock Revolution a few years ago and said some Anti-Semetic crap.
I suppose such closed minded beliefs and intentions are to be expected of him, supposing he is the same person I think he is.
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Once again, I gotta say it is pretty funny you think
a few people booing will have such a bearing on the night.
Do you imagine us as some non-stop booing choir throwing tomatoes
who's sound will reach X backstage and somehow turn them
into nancies like you "oh my! I can't perform like this! *faint*"???
It's rock'n'roll a few people will boo the opening band if they really really suck
deal with it!
I say you need to grow up and realize booing is here to stay.
Take your morals to a church gig.
p.s. I'm not against jews. I have a dear jewish friend. lol
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I do have to say, I haven't seen an opening band get such a backlash before the tour started since 2003 when Limp Bizkit were announced to open for Metallica :D
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This is pretty much the same thing.
My god.
Limp Bizkit=Vampires Everywhere with Autotune and fake vampire teeth.
Let the 12 year old panties flyyyyyyyyyy~
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The opening band to me wont make a difference because I don't have to listen to them do my shopping and get a drink or 2, but I dont think we need to be rude to try to make ourselves feel better. A band is chosen for a reason, not always a good one but hey they are trying if they suck ignore em if they rock show it, but for people to toss things all boo them like asses just shows bands why its not great to play here if fans are horrible....yes even in japan they boo I've seen bands live get booed off stage but the fans are still respectful at times and arent pissed because they have to wait a bit longer for the main show.
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I personally have no problem with scremo/metalcore/hardcore music, its just that I dont see how/why would whoever decided it would be cool to have these guys open for X. I just dont see the logic behind this. And at least they should of added a relevantly well known metalcore band.
Also, what they have on their page makes me laugh.
It is now time to take the scene’s clean-cut, “Disney” image and shed some blood on it … my way.
Yeah, sure buddy, you look ohhh soooo different than the rest of the scene's so called "Disney" Image.
(http://www.rocksins.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/bring_me_the_horizon.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.noisecreep.com/media/2010/03/word-alive-400ak031810.jpg)
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll119/rode12/FucKxCOrE/alesana-1.jpg)
Try again, kid.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/LittleSyxx/yoshiki_myspacecopy.jpg)
I'm sorry. I tried to resist, but once the idea came to my head I had to mediocrely photoshop it.
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:D :D :D
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Wow. People need to calm the eff down. I've seen some opening bands I wasn't into before, but I'll always be -polite- for them at least. It doesn't mean I have to sit there and cheer and go crazy for them like I would the main event, but I can at least clap for them or something. It takes a lot to get up on stage, especially in this case before a band like X-Japan. Respect the band, and respect that yes, this band has fans too. Even if it's not your thing doesn't mean you've got to be rude about it.
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I don't agree with booing a band and getting this upset that these twilight girls are there. I mean, I think they "suck" pretty hard (get it? vampire reference lol) but even if they are booed, I doubt any members of X will hear about it or care really. A small band that tours with a big one like X rarely has any contact with them. And back stage at a show like that you can't even tell what a crowd is doing. You just hear noise. I also don't think that X would be offended if you boo. They have been in the business a long time, I'm sure they've been booed at too. They understand the game and probably won't really be offended or give it a second thought. I think X does need a gimmicky opening band to help them gain popularity, but there has got to be someone better than this. Auto tune is for people that can't sing. It is an insult to musicians that can actually sing and perform imo.
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Personally, I'm upset because, in my eyes, this type of garbage that they call music kind of ruins what X stands for -- or at least used to -- the sort of band that caters to the teenage masses for the sake of fame and fortune and not at all for the love of music, fans, the whole bloody pathos of being a musician and an artist. If it was an indie band that were trying to get by their own way and on their own terms, I'd support it, and I know that X would too, since their own origins lie in the same roots. But this sort of band just screams, literally, of commercialism and selling out, which is just sad but a true face of what music is today (and how I wish that X and Yoshiki had the balls to stand up and rock out regardless that it's not what the mainstream wants).
I don't like it, but at the same time, I don't condone hatefulness toward this band. We all signed up to see X -- and Sweet Bejeezus, haven't we waited a long time? -- and I don't think that VE's opener will detract from the experience of X -- their music won't suck just because the opener did, after all. And maybe VE's (music) contract has been bought by rich executive parents than earned but, still, they are on the stage trying to gain a name for themselves -- albeit in a totally different venue than they should aim for, and maybe their music is little different from wannabee, regurgitated trash.
I know I'll probably loiter outside in the lobby, hoping for glimpses of X members, and I honestly hope no crazy fan (either side of the fanbase) ruins the X experience by being a douche. (Sorry if any of that did not make sense .. soberness escapes me...)
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Red Forman would call you a bunch of nancies!
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/myfairlady383/dad.jpg)
Red Forman would call X a bunch of wimpy dumbasses as well.
But seriously, stop arguing and calling names. Please from now on only post if you have something new to add to the conversation. We know some people hate the band with their guts and want to boo through their set, others feel it's immature and there are better ways to show your dissatisfaction. I PERSONALLY feel that a bit of booing in the beginning, before they start their set, is enough, and after that I'd just coldly ignore them. Unless, for some reason, I'd start liking their set. That's it.
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The main thing is X Japan will be playing and the thoughts of VE will be gone once the band starts up and you hear the roar of the crowd cheering for Yoshiki and Toshi start. Then there will be no complaints and we get what we wanted and paid for.
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Though I think there is nothing wrong with discussing and complaining about the matter, there is ALOT wrong with booing/being unpolite and childish in general. Even of you dont like it, show some respect for other people. You can only ruin X's image.
Edit- Sorry, didnt read we were done on the booing issue :)
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well, we all know that attending the concert of X Japan is prob a great piece of luck and amazing experience, many people would never manage that =( So those who are going to the shows should consider the opening act smth like another challenge\obstacle on the way that they have to come across \overcome :) I think X IS worth it, right? ;) So I wish you guys great concert. ^^
edit: omg, Ive just watched some vid of VE.. have NO words , Im just still laughing :D
For X fans it's gonna be real challenge lol But I'm sure everything's gonna be fine, ppl just need patience and self-control to survive that horror)
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I'm just kind of baffled at the assumptions some people are making about the band. Yeah, maybe they're just a cash cow band, and maybe they had help getting where they are - do we know that for a fact? They might also just think vampires are cool and happened to luck out with the current trend. I'm sorry, I'm just kind of boggling at the assumptions people are making about these guys. For all we know, autotune aside, maybe they've got an awesome stage presence. Maybe they're terrible, maybe they're not. Who really cares? They'll be wasting like a half an hour of your life anyway.
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Actually, some stuff is known about their band--or at least some of the members. For example, they were in a pop-punk band "Love, She Wrote" until about... 2 years back? It wasn't selling so they dropped the whole thing and went to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgOwfcIwPvE
There's a link to the music they LIKE to make.
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"Love, She Wrote" sucks pretty bad too.... they're like one big pile of no talent.
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I'd rather listen to "Love, She Wrote" than the bad, bad, bad Vampires Everywhere (I mean, if I were under torture and HAD to choose.) I don't like the music for either, but VE... it's like... everyone one of my ticks put into one damn band.
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goddamn it, I can't believe I'm gunna have to stand through like an hour of this crap before X >:( *sigh* oh well just an other minor setback.
this. :|
oh well, maybe I can squeeze up front while the fail is going on and bring a set of earplugs before the REAL band comes on. this "band" is just a joke to me. Obviously they're just trying to appeal to a bigger crowd with their awful music.
oh and- i've stood through failbands before :D it's always worth it in the end when your favorites show up.
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Most of the time opening acts are dumb, but i remember when i saw Metallica and their opening act was Machine Head. Now THAT was a fuckin great concert. Hope they get someone else for the European leg of the tour.
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I'd rather listen to "Love, She Wrote" than the bad, bad, bad Vampires Everywhere (I mean, if I were under torture and HAD to choose.) I don't like the music for either, but VE... it's like... everyone one of my ticks put into one damn band.
If I were under torture.. I may have to choose the sound of my own screaming... at least it won't need auto tuner lol!!!
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Most of the time opening acts are dumb, but i remember when i saw Metallica and their opening act was Machine Head. Now THAT was a fuckin great concert. Hope they get someone else for the European leg of the tour.
When I saw Metallica, Tenacious D were supporting. Probably one of my best concerts i've been to. Hilarious comedy followed by awesome metal music :D
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If I were under torture.. I may have to choose the sound of my own screaming... at least it won't need auto tuner lol!!!
lool I agree with you. I'd definitely choose the sound of my screaming, it'd be less painful 4 my ears ;D
I still hope the opening act won't last too long though *long sigh*
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Why couldn't they've picked a band with some talent? I can live with the gimmick but the music is BAD. OK, X is worth 1/2 hr of pain and suffering. Since there is seat assignment @ Massey Hall I guess we could take our group pictures while VE is "playing".
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Most of the time opening acts are dumb, but i remember when i saw Metallica and their opening act was Machine Head. Now THAT was a fuckin great concert. Hope they get someone else for the European leg of the tour.
When I saw Metallica, Tenacious D were supporting. Probably one of my best concerts i've been to. Hilarious comedy followed by awesome metal music :D
Jealous! :o
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Haha :D It was awesome. The concert was in Dublin and my best mate bought the tickets for the concert (£50 per person) so I just had to sort out flights (£20 return with ryanair. bargain!) and hotel (£50 per room per night, split it with my girlfriend for 3 nights so £75 each). Its definitely in my top 3 concerts.. in fact, its probably number 1. Although in 3 weeks time, i'm 99% sure that'll change when i see X :D :D :D
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Actually, some stuff is known about their band--or at least some of the members. For example, they were in a pop-punk band "Love, She Wrote" until about... 2 years back? It wasn't selling so they dropped the whole thing and went to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgOwfcIwPvE
There's a link to the music they LIKE to make.
Awesome. So they went from being a Blink 182 imitation-clone-band to being an Atreyu-with-autotune imitation clone band? Nice going.
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Most of the time opening acts are dumb, but i remember when i saw Metallica and their opening act was Machine Head. Now THAT was a fuckin great concert. Hope they get someone else for the European leg of the tour.
When I saw Metallica, Tenacious D were supporting. Probably one of my best concerts i've been to. Hilarious comedy followed by awesome metal music :D
yeah, why couldn't we have gotten Tenacious D? ;)
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Don't know if anyone knows, but according to this (non translated) Vampires Everywhere's set will be half an hour.
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl%3Fa%3D20100922-00000337-bark-musi&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dxradicaldreamers%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&usg=ALkJrhhy4GXggvVDrRqkipUAOAzj4yHhjA
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thank fook for that. I'll take a sudoku puzzle book to keep myself entertained :D
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About what I expected. To give people a rough idea that don't hit up a lot of shows over here, here's the trend I've noticed, at least in NYC. People get let in an hour beforehand or so. They take maybe a half an hour more or less to get the opening band completely prepped and set. Their set is roughly a half an hour. Maybe another half an hour gets taken to take their stuff down and set up for the main act. Boom. Commence main act. It goes by pretty effin' fast.
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agreed you wont even bother listening to them jsut getting ready shopping, well except for the people at the front of the pit who have to stay there to not lose their place lol.
Tenacious C would of been freaking amazing lol we would laugh and rock our heads before Yoshiki blew it, but thats just our silly imaginations.
We just have so lil time left and Vampires Everywhere will make that wait like 40 mins longer XD
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Tenacious C. Tenacious C. Tenacious C.
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Tenacious X
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So, apparently they were not well-accepted...
Their fans are being very pissy about it, as well.
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So, apparently they were not well-accepted...
Their fans are being very pissy about it, as well.
Well, when you put...this...
(http://allaccessmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Vampires-Everywhere.jpg)
on a stage at an X Japan concert while we have just gone through an extreme tween vampire craze...there seriously is no excuse...
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(http://allaccessmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Vampires-Everywhere.jpg)
Why do I laugh every time when I see a picture of them..
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Why do I laugh every time when I see a picture of them..
I'm not sure why, but it might be because of the fact that all the members look the same with the same hairstyles, and very similar clothing, and the fact they're trying to look like a badass vampires...not sure, but that might be the reasoning behind you laughter.
Can't blame you though, I laugh pretty hard as well.
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I decided to give them another shot and I watched the Immortal Love video. ARG, why couldn't we have gotten someone like HammerFall to open? They'd bring their own fans to the show and I'm sure they'd dig X Japan!
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I decided to give them another shot and I watched the Immortal Love video. ARG, why couldn't we have gotten someone like HammerFall to open? They'd bring their own fans to the show and I'm sure they'd dig X Japan!
Hammerfall? Heavy metal and speed metal? Sounds awesome! Would have been a million times better than some vampire band...I also tried Vampire Everywhere several times...actually more than twice...but no...just no...I don't think I can do it...
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I decided to give them another shot and I watched the Immortal Love video. ARG, why couldn't we have gotten someone like HammerFall to open? They'd bring their own fans to the show and I'm sure they'd dig X Japan!
support bands dont generally bring their fans to other band shows
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imo Blind Guardian and X Japan together would be the greatest combination of all time.
Better version of Silent Jealousy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kMem7-t8r0
After watching I think Toshi did a lot better singing this than what I felt watching the other video.
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I just hope people aren't obnoxiously rude while they're playing. Dislike 'em all you want, just don't make us all look like jerks. D:
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First video of them at the Wiltern, showing the crowds' reaction XD.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECBwhcSCwvY[/youtube]
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I still dont get it who and why picked this shitty band to be opening for X. It just doesnt make any sense...
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Did I hear a Boo?
This is the first time I see images from a rockconcert where people don't move at all. ;D
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Wow, seizure lighting. I actually feel really bad for them, but I'm sure if I was there I'd just be laughing my ass off.
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I was going to skip them originally, but I think I may actually watch them. I gotta witness...awfulness for myself!
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I was going to skip them originally, but I think I may actually watch them. I gotta witness...awfulness for myself!
It'll be funny to be there and witness the Canadian reaction, perhaps we won't be so polite like we usually tend to be.
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I was going to skip them originally, but I think I may actually watch them. I gotta witness...awfulness for myself!
It'll be funny to be there and witness the Canadian reaction, perhaps we won't be so polite like we usually tend to be.
hahaha! You know a band is bad when even the Canadians get vocal!
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If you happen to hear a loud "GET OFF THE STAGE!" you probably heard me xD I'm gunna start chanting WE WANT X, WE WANT X and hopefully get everyone in sync
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If you happen to hear a loud "GET OFF THE STAGE!" you probably heard me xD I'm gunna start chanting WE WANT X, WE WANT X and hopefully get everyone in sync
That would be awesome, but so harsh on VE...but honestly, if i'm waiting to see X Japan perform in front of me...I don't really care...especially if its a faggy little vampire wannabe band.
I was going to skip them originally, but I think I may actually watch them. I gotta witness...awfulness for myself!
It'll be funny to be there and witness the Canadian reaction, perhaps we won't be so polite like we usually tend to be.
hahaha! You know a band is bad when even the Canadians get vocal!
Haha, we'll just have to wait and see what goes down. If anything, by the time they arrive to Toronto, VE will just turn into an Axl Rose kinda thing. That would be epic!
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That would be awesome, but so harsh on VE...but honestly, if i'm waiting to see X Japan perform in front of me...I don't really care...especially if its a faggy little vampire wannabe band.
Are you kidding me? This escalating, irrational hatred of this band has been driving me crazy from the beginning. This is just... How could you throw around a word like that? Even if their music is shit, doesn't matter. Grow up already. Learn some respect. You can make your statement just as proudly by standing there with your mouth shut. You can just stop caring. Get over it. No matter how terrible you are to them, it's not going to make them go anywhere. It's just making US look like assholes! How many times do you think X-Japan got called fags, huh?
I'm not a fan of Vampires Everywhere. But I might just cheer my heart out for them for all the shit they've been going through with crowds like these. No one deserves that.
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Can I give gifts to vampires everywhere, I wanna give them this.
http://hkblog.xanga.com/733409661/
Fake noodles that is made out of chopsticks.
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That would be awesome, but so harsh on VE...but honestly, if i'm waiting to see X Japan perform in front of me...I don't really care...especially if its a faggy little vampire wannabe band.
Are you kidding me? This escalating, irrational hatred of this band has been driving me crazy from the beginning. This is just... How could you throw around a word like that? Even if their music is shit, doesn't matter. Grow up already. Learn some respect. You can make your statement just as proudly by standing there with your mouth shut. You can just stop caring. Get over it. No matter how terrible you are to them, it's not going to make them go anywhere. It's just making US look like assholes! How many times do you think X-Japan got called fags, huh?
I'm not a fan of Vampires Everywhere. But I might just cheer my heart out for them for all the shit they've been going through with crowds like these. No one deserves that.
I second this. It's cool of you to want to be so civil towards the band (even if they suck), but I don't like hearing this word thrown around, either...
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nothing will happen in Canada...not like anyting happened in LA
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Okay, so for the most part the fans just kind of stared nonchalantly at the group and ignored them, with a few jeers.
But, Brandom--pick a different word. Don't be an ass and start making homophobic comments at the band. They suck, yes, but that word is just NOT COOL.
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(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.noisecreep.com/media/2010/01/ve-400-gdp-1710.jpg)
I came to this site to find out who was opening for X Japan. Now I know. All I have to say is that apparently their hair never met a razor it didn't like...and I don't have to worry about showing up late.
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But, Brandom--pick a different word. Don't be an ass and start making homophobic comments at the band. They suck, yes, but that word is just NOT COOL.
I'm not saying anything directly in his defense, but I don't think he meant it in a offensive-to-homosexuals way. I mean he's a fan of X Japan for gods sake :P Maybe think of the term as it was used in South Park (the episode was called "The F Word" and it was episode 12 of season 13)...
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But, Brandom--pick a different word. Don't be an ass and start making homophobic comments at the band. They suck, yes, but that word is just NOT COOL.
I'm not saying anything directly in his defense, but I don't think he meant it in a offensive-to-homosexuals way. I mean he's a fan of X Japan for gods sake :P Maybe think of the term as it was used in South Park (the episode was called "The F Word" and it was episode 12 of season 13)...
OK , they are sub-par, awfully retarded, cliche...C'mon people join in the fun here. Let's find the right adjectives that would describe VE the best! ;D
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I really don't see what's so fun about this. I'd rather talk about
X-Japan than throw deragatory, offensive slang at a band that's going to be gone in a few years anyway. By the way, I'm no more a fan of faggot as
I am of retarded. Can't you think of a more
creative way to bash them if you have nothing better
to do?
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I really don't see what's so fun about this. I'd rather talk about
X-Japan than throw deragatory, offensive slang at a band that's going to be gone in a few years anyway. By the way, I'm no more a fan of faggot as
I am of retarded. Can't you think of a more
creative way to bash them if you have nothing better
to do?
On this thread we are discussing Vampires Everywhere so .... If you like them great however, if you don't like them I think you should still be able to express that. Also I didn't realize that we were trying to be politically correct. Also non of these remarks were directed at anyone on this forum. I'm not sure if I could say the same about your comments.
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But, Brandom--pick a different word. Don't be an ass and start making homophobic comments at the band. They suck, yes, but that word is just NOT COOL.
I'm not saying anything directly in his defense, but I don't think he meant it in a offensive-to-homosexuals way. I mean he's a fan of X Japan for gods sake :P Maybe think of the term as it was used in South Park (the episode was called "The F Word" and it was episode 12 of season 13)...
It means what it means. It's still horribly offensive to gay people. It's not cool to throw around words like that just because you "changed the definition". I can't go around calling people on the street motherfuckers because I think it means "silly-pants". =P
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But, Brandom--pick a different word. Don't be an ass and start making homophobic comments at the band. They suck, yes, but that word is just NOT COOL.
I'm not saying anything directly in his defense, but I don't think he meant it in a offensive-to-homosexuals way. I mean he's a fan of X Japan for gods sake :P Maybe think of the term as it was used in South Park (the episode was called "The F Word" and it was episode 12 of season 13)...
It means what it means. It's still horribly offensive to gay people. It's not cool to throw around words like that just because you "changed the definition". I can't go around calling people on the street motherfuckers because I think it means "silly-pants". =P
OK. No argument on this one. It was a wrong choice of words. I am however certain that no offense was meant by it in any way. I am sure that next time a more appropriate term will be used. Point made! Now could we please move on?
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So yeah...that Vampires Everywhere band...not too great are they?
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if this band were great, we would know of them at least through all the media bullshit that gets shoved down our throats. then again..bieber gets shoved down our throats and overshadows EVERYTHING.
It wouldnt be half as bad if bieber opened, becuz as you know, Canada started Bieber fever, so all the people can suffer LOL
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No they aren't. At least they don't have much to offer musical talent wise. I also can't say that they could be considered original with their image either.
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They're just very boring and lack..well, a lot. The vocalist can't sing and even when he's screaming it's the same pitch over and over. The last song they performed on the set was the only one that seemed very different at all to the rest. There was a guitar "solo" in one song that was rather slow and was pretty much 5 different notes....yeah i'll stop now.
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Wow these guys really are terrible. During their last half of their set of the L.A show the singer pointed at me and I dont know wtf he was saying/singing but i just kept my mouth shut looking bored and I turned the other way lol
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Someone on Last.fm tagged them as twilightcore. I lol'd!
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Someone on Last.fm tagged them as twilightcore. I lol'd!
Oh god why?! *head hits keyboard* o_O
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Yeah at the toronto concert they were just horrible the music was good but once the screaming started it was a bore fest you could not hear a word they were saying. What i found really funny was when they said "this is going to be our last song" everyone started cheering like crazy haha
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Yeah at the toronto concert they were just horrible the music was good but once the screaming started it was a bore fest you could not hear a word they were saying. What i found really funny was when they said "this is going to be our last song" everyone started cheering like crazy haha
They weren't that bad, but the bass guitar drained out the guitars, and occasionally you couldn't hear the vocals because of mic problems I guess...they also only used auto-tune in their last song, which was also the only song that used some clean vocals. All the other songs appeared to make extended use of screaming vocals.
The crowd wasn't crazy for them, but we did give a pretty good applause after each song, and there wasn't any noticeable rudeness such as yelling at them or booing them.
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For our show in NY, people were sort of bouncing along, but most people really didn't care. After every song, people were like "STILL?" I felt sorry for them, they learned rather quickly to just talk about how awesome X was. After every song, they were like "let's hear it for the best band ever X JAPAN!" and "only 3 more songs of ours and THEN X JAPAN!" I agree with the people who said they just sounded like a bunch of people playing on a stage together instead of a band. At least they didn't get booed off or anything.
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I'll give them this--they did realize that it wasn't their stage, that they needed to respect that we're probably not going to be long-term fans, and they at least attempted to get the crowd pumped for X.
Their music is still awful, but they sold a lot more CDs that night than anywhere else, because they didn't try and act like hot-shots. They weren't the ones who sold out the concert--it was X.