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Offline Lucs

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Reply #30 on: July 15, 2008, 11:09:34 PM
Nope, it's just that these kind of topics don't belong on a forum. It's just some personal stuffs, post it on your blog, myspace, but not here on the forum.

That's how I see it personally.


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Reply #31 on: July 15, 2008, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: "Belle & Sebastian"
and quoting you: YOU WOULDNT WANT TO SEE A THREAD LIKE THAT ONE.


That's what I said, it's MY opinion, I don't represent the staff by saying I, just myself.

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Reply #32 on: July 15, 2008, 11:33:21 PM
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Nope, it's just that these kind of topics don't belong on a forum. It's just some personal stuffs, post it on your blog, myspace, but not here on the forum.

That's how I see it personally.


what if i started a poll?? and if you're saying "it doesnt belong here on a forum" what does, and what doesnt, if it relates to x japan??



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Reply #33 on: July 16, 2008, 12:26:27 AM
Seriously - what's the point here?
I really understand some points of being not the same opinion like some of the staff members, but this is really getting ridiculous now in my opinion!
What's so important about a thread like this? Not saying that every existing thread is important here, but... honestly, I don't like to have porn fantasies some users have with some bandmembers here. And don't tell me "Don't read it, if you don't like it!" - in this case I wouldn't wanna see a thread like that at all.
Can't see why it's so hard to just forebear from "I wanna put my wiener into ~insert bandmember~'s arse!"-topics... Really, this board is for sure not avoiding kinky comments and I'm really not prude about those things myself, but there really should be a limit somewhere. These guys aren't playmates or something... and apart from this nobody's forbidding you to wank over the cover of the Shoxx magazine or detaining you from talking about topics like that via messengers or in your blogs or what ever. :roll:

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Reply #34 on: July 16, 2008, 12:47:43 AM
Quote from: "VioletCamicat"
Seriously - what's the point here?
I really understand some points of being not the same opinion like some of the staff members, but this is really getting ridiculous now in my opinion!
What's so important about a thread like this? Not saying that every existing thread is important here, but... honestly, I don't like to have porn fantasies some users have with some bandmembers here. And don't tell me "Don't read it, if you don't like it!" - in this case I wouldn't wanna see a thread like that at all.
Can't see why it's so hard to just forebear from "I wanna put my wiener into ~insert bandmember~'s arse!"-topics... Really, this board is for sure not avoiding kinky comments and I'm really not prude about those things myself, but there really should be a limit somewhere. These guys aren't playmates or something... and apart from this nobody's forbidding you to wank over the cover of the Shoxx magazine or detaining you from talking about topics like that via messengers or in your blogs or what ever. :roll:


By arguing this, I'm trying to make a point: I don't think we should be more restrictive than Yoshiki's own myspace. . .

take a look.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=14155082&albumID=159338&imageID=67426

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Reply #35 on: July 16, 2008, 12:56:06 AM
Do I have to read all 19 pages..?  :(
Won't change me being puzzled what's so important about a thread especially dedicated to how you wanna ride Yoshiki's rocket. :lol:
Here: threads  :arrow:  discussion.
There on Yoshiki's MySpace: just comments  :arrow: no communication in first place.

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Reply #36 on: July 16, 2008, 01:05:31 AM
the point is that the staff here (or at least some) try to dictate the board, censoring and deleting posts and threads "they dont like" and so on.
just because they dont want to see a thread named "i wanna fuck yoshiki that horny bitch" they simply forbid it, whereas threads, which are just as pointless (i.e. "yoshikis voice" or "yoshiki gets into fights all the time" or "yoshiki has pink underwear") are accepted by staff.

they just dont want to make x japan look bad, silly, ridiculous, funny or scandalizing



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Reply #37 on: July 16, 2008, 01:25:45 AM
Huh, I don't actually think Yoshiki looks bad, when MD says he wants to ride his rocket. I don't think that this is an argument really.
For example as well: "Yoshiki's voice" or "Yoshiki gets into fights all the time" or "Yoshiki has pink underwear" are threads about Yoshiki.
"I wanna fuck Yoshiki" is about the thread opnener, isn't it? So taking your arguments for real, the staff rather was looking for MD not to look bad than for X then. :P
:? In my opinion MD was't making Yoshiki look silly with his thread. Not at all (rather the opposite, I think).

Being staff member or not - I simply don't get the point about taking a thread like THIS as an argument. I'd rather take as an argument, if it's happening that someone closes the discussion about the song "Standing Sex" because someone said that this song makes him horny or something similar. In this example there wasn't opened a thread only for saying "that song makes me horny" and so it's somehow part of the discussion.

Is there really a "Yoshiki has pink underwear"-thread? :shock: Wouldn't mind it being closed! Urgh! XD

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Reply #38 on: July 16, 2008, 01:29:23 AM
Quote from: "VioletCamicat"
Is there really a "Yoshiki has pink underwear"-thread? :shock: Wouldn't mind it being closed! Urgh! XD


I dunno but I'm still undecided about opening a "Pata's hair" thread, it's a very heated topic.

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Reply #39 on: July 16, 2008, 06:55:25 AM
Quote from: "Belle & Sebastian"
the point is that the staff here (or at least some) try to dictate the board, censoring and deleting posts and threads "they dont like" and so on.
just because they dont want to see a thread named "i wanna fuck yoshiki that horny bitch" they simply forbid it, whereas threads, which are just as pointless (i.e. "yoshikis voice" or "yoshiki gets into fights all the time" or "yoshiki has pink underwear") are accepted by staff.

they just dont want to make x japan look bad, silly, ridiculous, funny or scandalizing


It's not about what the staffs like and don't like, it's about how the staff wants to deal with its forum.

It's the staff's choice to forbid porn and such things on this forum, respect it or leave.
It's the staff's choice to forbid topics that they consider pointless, respect it or leave it.

Really, nobody's forcing you to stay if you think this forum is soooooo bad :P
YOU are one of the people ruining the athmosphere of the forum by makin' pointless thread to try to make the staff look bad. We're here to TALK about X Japan, a band we ALL like.


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Reply #40 on: July 16, 2008, 07:33:35 AM
EXACTLY, and really, don't you think the board would be so, so much better if you guys would just STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERY SINGLE THING?!

Everyones over it, okay? If you guys would just give the new rules a chance, everything might just work out! :) You guys seem to be too busy "fighting" this "Nazi ruling" (Original btw...  :roll:) to even TRY them. IS there a problem anymore? The "PN issue" has been addressed, the only posts that are being modded are ones which are complete and utter bullshit anyway, and the only thing thats really running this place down is the repetitive spamming, complaning and bitching that keeps going on!

And really, has much changed? Copying and pasting a message to a photo isn't TOO difficult. Respecting others isn't THAT hard. The censoring and having to confirm rumours and so on NEEDS to be done because X Japan IS an active band, and do we really want to take the chance to get this place shut down over anything so silly like not following simple copyright laws or whatever? Confirming rumours and not posting absolute bullshit (And i mean COME ON! The only reason you guys are writing shit about riding Yoshiki's love gun is to 'prove' the admins 'overuse of power' or whatever you guys are calling it this week... Lets be realistic here, you wouldn't post crap like that IF there were absolutely no rules... You guys just have to be these little revolutionaries don't you? :P)

Little things like respecting people, adding your sources to rumors or comfirmations or whatever and adding a little message to your picture won't affect peoples personalities and their points of view, the discussions here and so on. Unless you're just interested in talking about buttsecks with members of the band or talking about 18+ OT crap, well.. Thats what /b/ is for...

And can everyone not dwell on past mistakes and so on? Can we all just have a laugh, enjoy this amazing band we all love and look forward to many more memories and good times! :D

So please, just stop complaining, abide by the rules that aren't really that harsh and difficult, and just take it easy. :D

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Reply #41 on: July 16, 2008, 12:35:00 PM
For the record, as I never had a chance to reply before it all kicked off, I think the "I want to fuck Yoshiki" thread should have been deleted. That kind of thread is pointless.

I never said EVERY rule was bad for the forum. Some of the rules are long overdue and could have been introduced a long time ago.

Some of the rules came about from certain members attitudes and actions. For example, rule number 6 regarding translations is a fair rule but some translators think they are better than others and even if my source was Yoshiki himself, some people would "fix" the translation by putting it in their own words.

Rule number 7 is one I dont agree with. Again, this rule came about from some members attitude/actions, even though 1 particular member that I know of, had messages from Yoshiki in the past and proceeded to show a lot of their friends.. which is exactly what I did because my friends were on this forum and it was easier to post here rather than sending it to them all individually.. but because my message proved a point which was different to that members point, that person then went on to act like a child and throw a tantrum until they got what they wanted. Hypocrisy is not a good thing.

Rule number 10 is complete BS. As i've said in the past, this forum cannot be held responsible for what the users post. When you first sign up, that is in the registration terms.
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While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.

The person who posts stuff from YoshikiMobile is the person breaking THEIR original agreement. X-Freaks CANNOT be held liable and CANNOT be shut down if a user posts info from YM on here. If an ADMIN did, that is a different matter.. but if a user posts the information, only that person can get in trouble. The worst thing that could happen would be an admin getting contacted by Yoshiki's legal team saying "Please take that information down".. and for them to know about this information, they would have to sign up to the forum to view it and by agreeing to the terms, they could not legally threaten anyone.. so yeah.. Rule number 10 is complete BS and I disagree with it.

Its also not just the rules, its the general attitude of people, myself included, that brought the forum down. I'm not pointing at one person saying "IT WAS JUST YOU!!". It was everyone. Instead of everyone just getting along and disagreeing like regular people, some had to go one step further... one member even went as far as reporting me to Yoshiki and his legal team for my "breach of privacy" when I posted a PM he sent to me, even though the PM was 3 words long and was simply answering a question I asked. What the hell is that about? What happened to the days when 2 people would argue and that was it?

A few people thought they were better than everyone else and still do. One person actually said to me "Well, i've been a fan of X Japan a lot longer than you, I know more about them than you do". I dont like the attitude of older fans to newer fans.. and i'm not just talking about older fans who have been listening to X Japan since day 1, I'm talking about people who have liked X Japan for 4, 5, 6 years aswell... I've seen people talk down to newer fans (not just here, on lots of forums about lots of different subjects) and say things like they are too young to appreciate X Japan.. wtf?!!

The general attitude and fun factor has dropped in this forum. Thats one of the reasons I dont visit regularly (aswell as RL stuff) and thats why members keep leaving or becoming inactive. As I said.. some will agree.. some will disagree.. but thats my opinion.



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Reply #42 on: July 16, 2008, 01:06:49 PM
I don't think it's so much about the rules anymore. I think it's about being yelled at to line up like nice little bathtub duckies in a row, or else the door is there. *points*

That kind of attitude may work on some - more naturally obedient types of people - but metalheads are kind of fak-da-sistem people to begin with, so it's no wonder there are strong reactions.

Anyway, that's my hobby psychologist analysis for today. I'll now do as I'm told. I'll STFU.  :P



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Reply #43 on: July 16, 2008, 03:23:08 PM
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I don't think it's so much about the rules anymore. I think it's about being yelled at to line up like nice little bathtub duckies in a row, or else the door is there. *points*

That kind of attitude may work on some - more naturally obedient types of people - but metalheads are kind of fak-da-sistem people to begin with, so it's no wonder there are strong reactions.

Anyway, that's my hobby psychologist analysis for today. I'll now do as I'm told. I'll STFU.  :P


You win at life. What gets to me (and I'm sure a lot of other people as well) is that a band like this has SO many people following it who are so prudish and OMFG we can't do this/say this/think this AND that somehow we've lost what the idea of the band and the fandom is about (e.g. unrestrained self-expression)

Quote from: "Lucs"
We're here to TALK about X Japan, a band we ALL like.


SO ARE WE. But when we can only talk about SOME of what X Japan is and does, when our discourse is more limited than it is on Yoshiki's myspace, when people are prohibited from posting things that would be informative or interesting to people or expressing themselves (which, if you don't remember, is the entire point of X). . . yeah, we need to just hang out the SELLOUT sign and go find something else.

By the way, let's say that I agree with you who've said my posts should have been deleted. My drunken topic declaring my interest in fucking Yoshiki was inappropriate and bad and stupid. However, who does it hurt? Does it hurt anyone more than Panthere Noire's actions, which are undertaken with the same goal in mind?

What's worse:

Saying "I want to fuck Yoshiki"

or

Trashing on Yoshiki's late best friend (who WAS, as of the 1990s, hide, like it or not), posting disinformation (no, there were NOT two last lives and NO Without You was NOT WRITTEN FOR TOSHI), posting death threats to Masaya, going to a Toshi live and screaming at him, introducing censorship, making X and its fandom look like massive sellouts and puritanical old church ladies (WTF), tearing apart a community, setting fans against each other in a place that doesn't NEED any more fucking drama, all in an attempt to somehow convince Yoshiki to admire your obsessive devotion and fuck you?



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Reply #44 on: July 16, 2008, 04:09:27 PM
Quote from: "Unfinished"
I've been here since the early start back in 2006(as Saint) and I used to visit everyday and post everyday but some users have sorta ruined the forums feel to me lately. Like I sometimes come and read stuff and its like 'what!?'.
I remember when you were more active. Try to ignore what you don't like and try to post more :)

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*fryday's post
Well said mate :) READ HIS POST PEOPLE! :)

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Rule number 7 is one I dont agree with. Again, this rule came about from some members attitude/actions, even though 1 particular member that I know of, had messages from Yoshiki in the past and proceeded to show a lot of their friends.. which is exactly what I did because my friends were on this forum and it was easier to post here rather than sending it to them all individually.. but because my message proved a point which was different to that members point, that person then went on to act like a child and throw a tantrum until they got what they wanted. Hypocrisy is not a good thing.
Not trying to side here, but before I made it a rule, I did ask Yoshiki's Street team (VUK Street team really, the closest I could get), and they said they wouldn't like those PMs posted. And I believe in privacy.

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Rule number 10 is complete BS. As i've said in the past, this forum cannot be held responsible for what the users post. When you first sign up, that is in the registration terms.
If it's in the sign up terms, it can't hurt being in the forum rules as well ;)

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By the way, let's say that I agree with you who've said my posts should have been deleted. My drunken topic declaring my interest in fucking Yoshiki was inappropriate and bad and stupid. However, who does it hurt?
It hurts me to see such an immature topic here.

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What's worse:
The first option, because:

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Trashing on Yoshiki's late best friend (who WAS, as of the 1990s, hide, like it or not)
a) You OR anyone else doesn't know who was Yoshiki's best friend. It might have been Pata's wife's brother's father's boss for all we know. And no one has trashed hide here, only obsessive fangirls sometimes, who say hide is god and a saint and ect (no offense hideisgod :P ). And we haven't had that for a year or so, if I'm not mistaken.

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posting disinformation (no, there were NOT two last lives and NO Without You was NOT WRITTEN FOR TOSHI)
I have no idea about two last lives (that post has been deleted anyway, if I'm not mistaken) and Without You for Toshi theory (which could be theorized in several ways) sounds, imo, way more believable than that hide and Yoshiki were lovers, sorry.

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posting death threats to Masaya
THAT was ages ago and if it would be done today, it would be deleted.

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going to a Toshi live and screaming at him
What someone does in real life is not up to me, AT ALL.

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introducing censorship
I wouldn't say deleting spam is censorship.

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making X and its fandom look like massive sellouts and puritanical old church ladies (WTF)
I beg your pardon, wat?

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tearing apart a community, setting fans against each other in a place that doesn't NEED any more fucking drama
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the only ones tearing the community apart at the moment, are you and a few others who just can't seem to move on from what most of this forum has a month ago.

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all in an attempt to somehow convince Yoshiki to admire your obsessive devotion and fuck you?
Ummm, to my knowledge, no one here has been trying to convince Yoshiki about any devotion (I did PM him when I started this forum but I guess he missed that one). And that 'fuck you' was kinda weird there. Yoshiki to fuck you or us? Or us to fuck ourselves, or someone else...? Anyway, please make yourself a bit more clear last time.

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Reply #45 on: July 16, 2008, 05:41:15 PM
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a) You OR anyone else doesn't know who was Yoshiki's best friend. It might have been Pata's wife's brother's father's boss for all we know.


Source 1
If that's not good enough, how about Yoshiki's own myspace.
And another one.
It was hide.

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And no one has trashed hide here, only obsessive fangirls sometimes, who say hide is god and a saint and ect


I've not seen much of that. I HAVE seen threads like "ZOMG he killed himself to break up Yoshiki and Toshi/because he was jealous of them." Can you imagine how reading something like that would make Yoshiki feel if he showed up here? Let me tell you, a whole lot worse than "omg I wanna fuck you."

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(no offense hideisgod :P ).


No offense? NO FUCKING OFFENSE? APOLOGIZE. You just called out one of my friends for no reason but her username. Wow, did you take a big dose of fucktard pills today?

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I have no idea about two last lives (that post has been deleted anyway, if I'm not mistaken) and Without You for Toshi theory (which could be theorized in several ways) sounds, imo, way more believable than that hide and Yoshiki were lovers, sorry.


Except for the little fact that Yoshiki has repeatedly said that "Without You" was for hide. http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/iv_yoshikilong.htm Source , http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/iv_yoshikinet.htm source

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THAT was ages ago and if it would be done today, it would be deleted.


Death threats. DEATH THREATS. Someone seriously expressing a desire to KILL SOMEONE. Not smile at them, not attend their concerts, not even offer their body as obviously offensive as that seems to be here. TO KILL THEM. I'd say death threats are a whole lot more fucking serious than a deletion-worthy offense. I'd say death threats deserve an immediate permaban, and especially if the person is in the same geographic location as the person being threatened, notification of law enforcement.

Quote from: "Hypno"
What someone does in real life is not up to me, AT ALL.


Yes, but providing the venue for such hatred to be nursed as that thread became. . .

Quote from: "Hypno"
I wouldn't say deleting spam is censorship.


But you have the wonkiest definition of spam I've ever seen! Here's a hint: OMG BUY FREE VIAGRA HERE NAO WE'RE YOSHIKI'S PRIVATE SELLER would be spam. News stories, rumors, and even fanboy/fangirl posts may be ANNOYING but they have no commercial purpose and are therefore NOT spam!

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I beg your pardon, wat?


All these fucking rules. All these limits. All of this "we can't say this, we can't do this, we can't, we can't, we can't, we must be responsible and upright and. . ." WHAT THE FUCK. REALLY.

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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but the only ones tearing the community apart at the moment, are you and a few others who just can't seem to move on from what most of this forum has a month ago.


The REASON we can't seem to fucking "move on," as you put it, is that you have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to solve the problems those incidents highlighted, you have and are contributing to them, and you DON'T GET IT.

De-admin PanthereNoire.
Learn how to manage a board for a band like X Japan (I'd suggest checking out a few other rock and metal communities online for starters, also reading some stuff about politics and forum management. . .)
Apologize for your personal attacks and the hypocrisy of the moderators.
Bring someone like Hollywood or Darkcat onto the mod staff.

THAT would be the kind of reforms that would make me convinced that you actually wanted to heal the rifts that have developed in this community over the last few months, and it would make us begin to trust you again. Trust is not given freely, it is earned, and right now your account is in the red for a lot of us.

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Ummm, to my knowledge, no one here has been trying to convince Yoshiki about any devotion (I did PM him when I started this forum but I guess he missed that one). And that 'fuck you' was kinda weird there. Yoshiki to fuck you or us? Or us to fuck ourselves, or someone else...? Anyway, please make yourself a bit more clear last time.


You have no idea about PN's Yoshiki obsession?

By the way. . . resorting to grammar flames and "make yourself more clear next time" is a sign that you have no response to something or that you're suffering from a case of Asperger's by proxy server.

*shakes head* Unlike you, I have stuff to do. I've got to go out today and try to find my new apartment and get a new job and all of that delightful shit. So if anything here needs to be edited or deleted. . . yah, I won't be back until later. . .  8)



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Reply #46 on: July 16, 2008, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: "MiscastDice"
Learn how to manage a board for a band like X Japan (I'd suggest checking out a few other rock and metal communities online for starters, also reading some stuff about politics and forum management. . .)


That shouldn't be the big deal, Lucs is in the staff and Hypno can also ask me, but I doubt that's necessary.  :lol:



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Reply #47 on: July 16, 2008, 06:26:12 PM
Quote from: "MiscastDice"
Source 1
If that's not good enough, how about Yoshiki's own myspace.
And another one.
It was hide.
First one I didn't have time to read, but a quick search for 'hide' 'best' and 'friend' resulted in nothing else than a mention of Toshi as 'who had been his best friend from childhood', and hide as 'whom he respected most'. The second is a picture with a doll... Taken this year... He might think of hide as his best friend now, but that doesn't mean he did it prior to his death. And the third blog just says hide will be remembered forever. Nothing concrete that says hide was his best friend.

Quote from: "MiscastDice"
I've not seen much of that. I HAVE seen threads like "ZOMG he killed himself to break up Yoshiki and Toshi/because he was jealous of them." Can you imagine how reading something like that would make Yoshiki feel if he showed up here? Let me tell you, a whole lot worse than "omg I wanna fuck you."
Hmm Yoshiki and Toshi weren't speaking with each other at the time he killed himself... Soo... I don't know where are you getting at, I haven't noticed any such threads here, but next time report them, k?

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No offense? NO FUCKING OFFENSE? APOLOGIZE. You just called out one of my friends for no reason but her username. Wow, did you take a big dose of fucktard pills today?
Umm I don't think I'm the one who missed some pills today. What I meant was, that the bashing that was here once, LONG time ago, was for fans who thought hide was a god, and that I didn't mean to offend the user, hideisgod, with my statement and that I didn't think badly about her because of her username (I try to judge by actions).

Quote from: "MiscastDice"
Except for the little fact that Yoshiki has repeatedly said that "Without You" was for hide. http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/iv_yoshikilong.htm Source , http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/iv_yoshikinet.htm source
First of all, I don't care who it was written for, it's a fucking awesome song. Secondly, translations from Japanese CAN be tricky and there might be mistakes. Thirdly, the 'for Toshi' thing could be theorized to be true in several ways, which I'm not going to explain further here. Fourthly, I have given a few interviews myself and you shouldn't take everything said there as 100% truth, as they are (usually) not planned ahead and might be different from the truth/reality because of the emotional condition of the person interviewed (and a lot of other factors, which I won't explain here either).

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Death threats. DEATH THREATS. Someone seriously expressing a desire to KILL SOMEONE. Not smile at them, not attend their concerts, not even offer their body as obviously offensive as that seems to be here. TO KILL THEM. I'd say death threats are a whole lot more fucking serious than a deletion-worthy offense. I'd say death threats deserve an immediate permaban, and especially if the person is in the same geographic location as the person being threatened, notification of law enforcement.
First of all, there weren't any serious death threats. Secondly, if they would result in permaban, there wouldn't be an XFF right now (I would be banned also, among quite a few other people here).

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Yes, but providing the venue for such hatred to be nursed as that thread became. . .
The person under question (unless I'm mistaken harshly) posted the abovementioned piece of writing on MySpace blog. Anyway, why do you keep digging in the past? I bet I could dig a thing or two about you also. But I won't.

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But you have the wonkiest definition of spam I've ever seen! Here's a hint: OMG BUY FREE VIAGRA HERE NAO WE'RE YOSHIKI'S PRIVATE SELLER would be spam. News stories, rumors, and even fanboy/fangirl posts may be ANNOYING but they have no commercial purpose and are therefore NOT spam!
Forum spam, by definition- "... is the posting of advertisements, abusive, or unneeded messages on Internet forums."

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All these fucking rules. All these limits. All of this "we can't say this, we can't do this, we can't, we can't, we can't, we must be responsible and upright and. . ." WHAT THE FUCK. REALLY.
By all means, they restrict you only as long as you are here. We had a 'Suggestions about the new rules' thread. Several actually. Sadly, they were turned into anti-PN threads for some reason.

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The REASON we can't seem to fucking "move on," as you put it, is that you have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to solve the problems those incidents highlighted, you have and are contributing to them, and you DON'T GET IT.
No, I don't get it. I reached a consensus with the rest of you, who said PN was bad and such, by making rules so she couldn't be bad if she wanted to, without breaking the rules herself, hence getting deadminned. Everyone else seemed to agree, except for you.

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De-admin PanthereNoire.
Learn how to manage a board for a band like X Japan (I'd suggest checking out a few other rock and metal communities online for starters, also reading some stuff about politics and forum management. . .)
Apologize for your personal attacks and the hypocrisy of the moderators.
Bring someone like Hollywood or Darkcat onto the mod staff.
Not unless she breaks any rules.
I'v been a mod/admin on quite a few boards AND I'm going to study politics (international relations) and law this autumn.
I hereby apologize to everyone who feel like I have attacked them unjustly, but I can't take responsibility for anyone else.
Neither Hollywood or Darkcat applied for the position. Darkcat is currently banned (by his own wish) and if you mean 'someone who sides with you/agrees with you on some points', then you have Hurley and VioletCamicat as moderators.

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THAT would be the kind of reforms that would make me convinced that you actually wanted to heal the rifts that have developed in this community over the last few months, and it would make us begin to trust you again. Trust is not given freely, it is earned, and right now your account is in the red for a lot of us.
You might be surprised, but several people I have talked with would see the forum better off when YOU are banned. If some of them would get what they wanted, you'd be long gone already. Sadly for them, I have tried to give you second chances and whatnot.

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You have no idea about PN's Yoshiki obsession?

By the way. . . resorting to grammar flames and "make yourself more clear next time" is a sign that you have no response to something or that you're suffering from a case of Asperger's by proxy server.
I have talked with PN about several topics and I haven't noticed anything like obsession. Admiration, yes, respect, yes. It won't come as a surprise if I say, imo, he's her favourite X member. But obsession is not what I'd call it.

Just adding 'fuck you' to the end of your sentence, I honestly don't get what you meant with that. And using fancy syndromes doesn't make you look cool here :)

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Reply #48 on: July 16, 2008, 07:55:34 PM
@ MiscastDice: Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Are you having your fucking period or what? Stop complaining like a little kid and get out for a change. You know, maybe have a drink or score some girls?

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Reply #49 on: July 16, 2008, 07:59:33 PM
Evenom, I understand your concern, but please refrain from insulting MiscastDice. Also, I'm not 100% sure myself, but according to all sources MiscastDice is female...

EDIT: Sorry, I'm wrong, as he said himself, MiscastDice is indeed a guy.
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Reply #50 on: July 16, 2008, 08:07:00 PM
Sorry bro. I just think all the bitching is rather annoying, that's all. I'll try to act more "civlised", hehe.

I thought he/she was a male. If he/she's a woman, that would explain all the nagging..... *hides under his bed*

That last statement was meant tongue in cheek, before the XFF feminist squad want to kill me...  :D

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Reply #51 on: July 16, 2008, 08:39:55 PM
Sorry bro. I just think all the bitching is rather annoying, that's all. I'll try to act more "civlised", hehe.

I thought he/she was a male. If he/she's a woman, that would explain all the nagging..... *hides under his bed*

That last statement was meant tongue in cheek, before the XFF feminist squad want to kill me...  :D

I'm a man. [removed insult to avoid ban, hey, if JRR can do tax evasion, I can do ban evasion]
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Reply #52 on: July 16, 2008, 09:13:41 PM
@MiscastDice, as Hypno said, Hollywood did not apply for a mod position.  This is because Hollywood would rather staple his hand to his forehead in the shape of an L than "work" for the current administration here and aid them in enforcing rules he finds laughably superfluous.  And there are too many mods already.  But I do appreciate the sentiment and the vote of confidence, and thanks for that. :)

Camicat and Hurley are indeed cool mods with good heads on their shoulders, which means that, as expected, everything they say (at least publicly) that does not line up with what the admins are saying gets completely ignored by the admins.

Evenom, I understand your concern, but please refrain from insulting MiscastDice. Also, I'm not 100% sure myself, but according to all sources MiscastDice is female...
I don't know and honestly don't care what MD's gender or sexual orientation is, but as he presents himself as a man-- aside of his statement just now, I remember he said "I'm a guy" on the X Freaks gender survey-- I call him "he" and treat him as such.

This is the internet.  I have no way of knowing that you're not Shakira (if by chance you are, can I have your number?).  You have no way of knowing I'm not Paris Hilton.  But you say you're a male X fan from Estonia, so out of respect to you I go with that.  That's one of those bare-minimum respect things.

As far as I'm concerned you're wrong about MD anyway, since he just said he's a man.  But you clearly thought you were "outing" him, so the intention is there.  That's low, Hypno.  That's really fucking low.  I thought you were better than that.  Spreading rumors about one of your users' RL, and on a thread where such a thing is completely off-topic anyway... that's class.

I'm not saying I agree with everything MD has said or done, because I don't.  But Hypno, this really crosses the line.

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Reply #53 on: July 16, 2008, 09:30:20 PM
I don't know and honestly don't care what MD's gender or sexual orientation is, but as he presents himself as a man-- aside of his statement just now, I remember he said "I'm a guy" on the X Freaks gender survey-- I call him "he" and treat him as such.
Ummm sorry for not remembering every post he made (btw I have edited my post also), but what I heard is what I heard. I didn't say MD is a female for sure, I even said I wasn't sure. And honestly, it wouldn't make any difference to me, as I honestly don't care. The only reason I even said so, was because MD being a female would have made Evenom's post look weird... And I wasn't trying to 'out' him in any way...

Sometimes I feel so misunderstood :(


EDIT: And I'm also forced to ask you, MiscastDice, not to make unproven accusations about anyone, specially on a thread totally unrelated (yes, I'm hinting to the JRR thing).
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Reply #54 on: July 16, 2008, 10:17:11 PM
Camicat and Hurley are indeed cool mods with good heads on their shoulders, which means that, as expected, everything they say (at least publicly) that does not line up with what the admins are saying gets completely ignored by the admins

And you know that how exactly? Show me exmaples please.

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Reply #55 on: July 17, 2008, 03:46:32 AM
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No offense? NO FUCKING OFFENSE? APOLOGIZE. You just called out one of my friends for no reason but her username. Wow, did you take a big dose of fucktard pills today?
I don't think I'm the one who missed some pills today. What I meant was, that the bashing that was here once, LONG time ago, was for fans who thought hide was a god, and that I didn't mean to offend the user, hideisgod, with my statement and that I didn't think badly about her because of her username (I try to judge by actions).

Um, okay.  I know I am kind of "barging in" here, but I really do hope you guys aren't judging me for my username.

And seriously, guys.  I used to browse these forums way before I joined.  I read the posts and everything...it was almost like I was a member but I didn't have a username. 

What the hell has happened to this place? 

I've been a member of forums before, obviously.  And none of them have turned out like this.  There are, what, 35 members tops who post here, and this is the hell that's broken loose?

I'm really not trying to start anything here, just pointing out what's probably very obvious, or at least should be.
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Reply #56 on: July 17, 2008, 04:41:50 AM
I'm probably not stating anything new here, but well..

The forum is starting to feel a bit restricted and I'm (we're?) not so comfortable with the atmosphere anymore. I'm not saying I don't support the decision to remove those pointless thread showing up recently, but things are just too strict. I find it a bit regrettable that it turned out like this.

It's good to see Jack Bauer back in action though!
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Reply #57 on: July 17, 2008, 08:09:08 AM
Personally, I really don't see how the new rules change anything for normal user... the new rules just concerns some people who don't act normally.

See, Hypno and Hollywood don't agree on some subjects (even concerning the rules of the forum), but in NO WAY Hollywood will get banned ever imo. Even if he thinks some things aren't good now, he gives his opinion without insulting or anything else. He doesn't either make pointless post.

The staff is not trying to make everyone think the same and all, I think we're just trying to avoid what in french we call "boulet" (I guess it would be troll or something like that in English).


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Reply #58 on: July 17, 2008, 10:35:29 AM
Um, okay.  I know I am kind of "barging in" here, but I really do hope you guys aren't judging me for my username.
Yeah that's what I tried to say, as I thought you might else get offended about my "obsessive fangirls sometimes, who say hide is god and a saint and ect", because I didn't mean you (or anyone else specifically) here.

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Reply #59 on: July 17, 2008, 11:40:30 AM
Btw, as I was just working in the membergroups, there are currently 7 moderators. I really don't think it's that much for a forum of this size.