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Has Toshi's MIXI been removed?

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on: January 26, 2010, 04:23:37 PM
Posted by a Japanese member on the Toshi Support Facebook page:

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TOSHI's mixi account was closed... somehow...
I couldn't connect to his page... somthing happen...
the Healing world cooporation annouced it
http://www.toshi-official.com/info.pdf
it is awful...Thay show his medical certificate and thay mentioned that he is ill.....



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Reply #1 on: January 26, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
that's right, I couldn't access to it before but I thought it was my problem
thanks for the info

hi there


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Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 05:30:54 PM
They show his medical certificate????
They have no right to do that, that is private.
Is it a real certificate?
Anyway, this says enough of how they are if they show his medical certificate.
Disguisting!!!
I understand nothing, it is in Japanese.
I thought that mixi page was from Toshi. Is that mixi page also under control from Masaya and compagnie than?



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Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 06:19:11 PM
I don´t get it either. What do they want to achieve with showing the certificate? Proving that he is (mentally) ill and not knowing what he´s doing and saying?



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Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 06:32:33 PM
I don´t get it either. What do they want to achieve with showing the certificate? Proving that he is (mentally) ill and not knowing what he´s doing and saying?

If that turns out to be true, Masaya and co have sunk even lower, that's just wrong.



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Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 07:44:29 PM
What the...!? I used the google translator and yes if it's right, they are suggesting that Toshi has a mental illness and he doesn't mean/know what he's saying... At least that's what I understood... Maybe someone who knows japanese could translate this better..?

Seriously, that is so sick and low!



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Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
What the...!? I used the google translator and yes if it's right, they are suggesting that Toshi has a mental illness and he doesn't mean/know what he's saying... At least that's what I understood... Maybe someone who knows japanese could translate this better..?

Seriously, that is so sick and low!

I'm waiting for confirmation on the nature of the illness which the HOH PDF details, they may be merely refferring to his stress/intercostal neuralgia, but here is a summary of what Toshi Office have posted on their website, as quoted by a Japanese member of the Toshi Support Facebook group:

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On the announcement, HOH is basically saying that

"What Toshi's been saying since the press conference is simply crazy and not true, we believe it's just because he's ill. We hope he will recover. However, if Toshi continues talking like this in public, we will have to sue him for defamation and obstructing our business."

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The medical condition which the medical document denotes is called "Adjustment Disorder", which is a form of depression/social anxiety. Read up on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjustment_disorder

It's likely that this diagnosis is either the cause of, linked to or a factor of Toshi's Intercostal Neuralgia. I do not believe it's a cause to concern, but merely a broader description of Toshi's currently existing condition.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2010, 08:17:09 PM by Beauty/Broken »



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Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 08:59:45 PM
Is burning hot mad.  >:( >:( >:( In June 2008 I was diagnosed with high level PTSD with Adjustment Disorder but that is mine to make public, (which I obviously just did. LOL) no one else's, unless I give them express permission. It is a long and hard road to explore and heal the causes of these conditions and the stigma and sense of failure around mental illness is tough enough to bear without someone you once trusted using it against you. Masaya's revealing Toshi's condition, IF Toshi actually has AD is beyond despicable, beyond foul, It's putrid. In doing so he is behaving like an adolescent, jilted lover.  Believe me, Adjustment Disorder does not make people say untruths, although we may express our truths with less grace than we might prefer. What AD does do is simply make adjusting to chaos and unsettling events very VERY difficult, sometimes immobilizing, sometimes impossible. Our reactions are often grossly disproportionate to the event. Since Toshi is likely suffering some level of PTSD (my personal opinion) from the loss of Yoshiki's trust then hide's death following hard upon, AD would be a predictable symptom, if not a definite absolute. And none of us know anything else that might have happened to him over the time he was with the sect to trigger such a syndrome. They are all so private in Japan. Adjustment Disorder makes it very difficult to keep things in perspective, so the fact he lasted all this time within HoH tells me he is far from 'not in his right mind' and knows exactly what he is saying. Defamation of Character, Masaya? Liable? It might be wise to shut up and see what the outcome of a Government investigation might reveal before you start making threats and throwing rocks. I'm sure it would take very little to strip the superficial veneer off the 'cult'. I wanted to hear what Masaya had to say.

He's said it. Epic Fail! There are channels and appropriate forms to follow to respond. Mudslinging doesn't fall into either category. Jerk. (Masaya I mean)
« Last Edit: January 26, 2010, 09:04:44 PM by Faestian »



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Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 10:02:33 PM
Is this receiving any major news company headlines? This is huge!



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Reply #9 on: January 26, 2010, 10:07:17 PM
Is burning hot mad.  >:( >:( >:( In June 2008 I was diagnosed with high level PTSD with Adjustment Disorder but that is mine to make public, (which I obviously just did. LOL) no one else's, unless I give them express permission. It is a long and hard road to explore and heal the causes of these conditions and the stigma and sense of failure around mental illness is tough enough to bear without someone you once trusted using it against you. Masaya's revealing Toshi's condition, IF Toshi actually has AD is beyond despicable, beyond foul, It's putrid. In doing so he is behaving like an adolescent, jilted lover.  Believe me, Adjustment Disorder does not make people say untruths, although we may express our truths with less grace than we might prefer. What AD does do is simply make adjusting to chaos and unsettling events very VERY difficult, sometimes immobilizing, sometimes impossible. Our reactions are often grossly disproportionate to the event. Since Toshi is likely suffering some level of PTSD (my personal opinion) from the loss of Yoshiki's trust then hide's death following hard upon, AD would be a predictable symptom, if not a definite absolute. And none of us know anything else that might have happened to him over the time he was with the sect to trigger such a syndrome. They are all so private in Japan. Adjustment Disorder makes it very difficult to keep things in perspective, so the fact he lasted all this time within HoH tells me he is far from 'not in his right mind' and knows exactly what he is saying. Defamation of Character, Masaya? Liable? It might be wise to shut up and see what the outcome of a Government investigation might reveal before you start making threats and throwing rocks. I'm sure it would take very little to strip the superficial veneer off the 'cult'. I wanted to hear what Masaya had to say.

He's said it. Epic Fail! There are channels and appropriate forms to follow to respond. Mudslinging doesn't fall into either category. Jerk. (Masaya I mean)

SO FUCKING AGREED. I AM SO FUCKING PISSED OFF AT MASAYA RIGHT NOW.

(I just hope they didn't somehow convince Toshi to rejoin them. UGH.)

If Japan has ANYTHING like HIPPA in the US, Masaya has just lost his case bigtime.

And he apparently never learned some things in life as a con artist: among them, don't piss off someone with a lot of money to spend and access to lawyers like Robert Shapiro and such.... and don't piss off Yoshiki.

That said, part of me, as much as I dislike violence, despite that the legal approach he will take will be so much better, wishes that Yoshiki was in physical shape enough to deal with Masaya the same way he dealt with the dumbfuck who commented that he wanted a piece of Toshi's ass.



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Reply #10 on: January 26, 2010, 10:30:00 PM
Is burning hot mad.  >:( >:( >:( In June 2008 I was diagnosed with high level PTSD with Adjustment Disorder but that is mine to make public, (which I obviously just did. LOL) no one else's, unless I give them express permission. It is a long and hard road to explore and heal the causes of these conditions and the stigma and sense of failure around mental illness is tough enough to bear without someone you once trusted using it against you. Masaya's revealing Toshi's condition, IF Toshi actually has AD is beyond despicable, beyond foul, It's putrid. In doing so he is behaving like an adolescent, jilted lover.  Believe me, Adjustment Disorder does not make people say untruths, although we may express our truths with less grace than we might prefer. What AD does do is simply make adjusting to chaos and unsettling events very VERY difficult, sometimes immobilizing, sometimes impossible. Our reactions are often grossly disproportionate to the event. Since Toshi is likely suffering some level of PTSD (my personal opinion) from the loss of Yoshiki's trust then hide's death following hard upon, AD would be a predictable symptom, if not a definite absolute. And none of us know anything else that might have happened to him over the time he was with the sect to trigger such a syndrome. They are all so private in Japan. Adjustment Disorder makes it very difficult to keep things in perspective, so the fact he lasted all this time within HoH tells me he is far from 'not in his right mind' and knows exactly what he is saying. Defamation of Character, Masaya? Liable? It might be wise to shut up and see what the outcome of a Government investigation might reveal before you start making threats and throwing rocks. I'm sure it would take very little to strip the superficial veneer off the 'cult'. I wanted to hear what Masaya had to say.

He's said it. Epic Fail! There are channels and appropriate forms to follow to respond. Mudslinging doesn't fall into either category. Jerk. (Masaya I mean)
That said, part of me, as much as I dislike violence, despite that the legal approach he will take will be so much better, wishes that Yoshiki was in physical shape enough to deal with Masaya the same way he dealt with the dumbfuck who commented that he wanted a piece of Toshi's ass.

I think Yoshiki has significantly mellowed out in recent years, but that still would be quite funny to watch.

I don't think Yoshiki has ever met Masaya, from the sound of it even Masaya's appearances to HOH members are few and far between. Staff from Toshi Office, basically from Healing World, have accompanied Toshi closely during most of his X Japan related activities post reunion, though - and since Toshi has spoken to Yoshiki about his problems with the organisation Yoshiki has also vocalised the concerns and dislikes he has had for it.



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Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 11:29:16 PM
Dumbfuck? Ass? Who??? Did I miss something? |D

Oh well - that story seems to turn out interesting.
But basically that looks like a fight which HoH won't be able to win...

Don't piss off Yoshiki describes it pretty good.... 1§ X Code

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Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 11:43:30 PM
Dumbfuck? Ass? Who??? Did I miss something? |D

Oh well - that story seems to turn out interesting.
But basically that looks like a fight which HoH won't be able to win...

Don't piss off Yoshiki describes it pretty good.... 1§ X Code

In X's indies days, another bandman told Yoshiki that Toshi had a nice ass and he wanted a piece of it, or something similar.

Yoshiki did not very much like this. As in he punched the other bandman and a brawl got started.



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Reply #13 on: January 27, 2010, 12:05:01 AM
They're not 20 years old anymore, so probably the fight won't go down to fists. Not to mention his arthritis.

It's very likely that Toshi shut down his mixi at the recommendations of his lawyers, since he was really defamating Masaya in there.

Like most people, I think Masaya is trying to resort to a cheap defense. But I'm not sure of anything, and I'd rather wait to see Toshi's reply.

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http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/



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Reply #14 on: January 27, 2010, 01:19:59 AM
I can't seem to get that original PDF, but if it's true, just low and without morals, for somebody to expose another's medical background in such a matter, finding whatever justification in their pathetic mind to do such a thing
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Reply #15 on: January 27, 2010, 01:35:33 AM
OMG
I am so outraged by this!!! They have no f'n right to do that!



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Reply #16 on: January 27, 2010, 02:50:40 AM
LOOKS LIKE HE TOOK IT DOWN!

omg rofl. WTF. Seriously watching him is like watching a high school kid pretending at being L. Ron Hubbard and Shoko Asahara.

Did someone get screencaps or download the PDF? I didn't...



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Reply #17 on: January 27, 2010, 03:11:00 AM
Of course, this is probably really obvious and everyone here has likely made the connection, but the name 'Masaya' sounds a heck of a lot like the word 'Messiah' when spoken.  ;) Intentional or coincidence? Hmmm. Inquiring minds want to know. LOL
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Reply #18 on: January 27, 2010, 04:25:25 AM
The PDF looks like a phony.
And about the mixi problem, does it mean that HOH has got control over mixi?


EDIT: Someone I know has analysed the signature under the certificate and found the name of the doctor ("京哲"), and searched for that name on the hospital's homepage. It turms out that the doctor is in charge of the department of GYNECOLOGY AND OBSTETRICS.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2010, 05:25:14 AM by NanniGong »



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Reply #19 on: January 27, 2010, 04:49:18 AM
Ugh... Can I vomit now?

Masaya is just fucking disgusting.  So.. let me see... first he coaxes Toshi to sign away all his money, then tempts him into walking away from X... treats him as a marionette... then when Toshi wakes up and leaves... he does this?

Okay.. So he has adjustment disorder... it's just another branch of PTSD.  So.. Masaya...what the holy fuck did YOU do to Toshi to give him PTSD?



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Reply #20 on: January 27, 2010, 05:37:40 AM
Ugh... Can I vomit now?

Masaya is just fucking disgusting.  So.. let me see... first he coaxes Toshi to sign away all his money, then tempts him into walking away from X... treats him as a marionette... then when Toshi wakes up and leaves... he does this?

Okay.. So he has adjustment disorder... it's just another branch of PTSD.  So.. Masaya...what the holy fuck did YOU do to Toshi to give him PTSD?

Oh and the fucking coward took it down now! He can't even live up to his own impotent flailing!

I feel like I want to barf and point and laugh at the same time. What the everloving FUCK



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Reply #21 on: January 27, 2010, 06:17:37 AM
Toshi's mixi was CLOSED, it wasn't taken over by Masaya. The account was closed, deleted, rendering it even unreadable. Like when you close a YouTube account.

The whole toshi-official.com web is giving me a 503 Service Unavailable Error, seems it has been failing, I wouldn't bet on it being taken down, it's probably a hosting issue. But just in case and for divine justice, here is a mirror: http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/masayaburgers.pdf

And wow, I can confirm that indeed the doctor 京哲 (Kyo Satoru) is a gynecology and obstetrics specialist of Kanagawa University Hospital. He's the one that signed the document appearing in the PDF (the horrible almost unreadable sig). Unless Toshi has a vagina for brain, that's a pretty doubtful document about his mental state.

http://web.hosp.kanazawa-u.ac.jp/senmoni/sanfujinka.html
http://kanazawa-u.sanpu.jp/introduction/dispensary/profile.php?pm_id=3&s=WMwJbFp8MsjD8V

Good call on researching that!

BTW if you were wondering what the blacked-out line is, it appears to be an address. So nothing important there.
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Reply #22 on: January 27, 2010, 07:00:35 AM
@MD Thankx for the explanation - i should start collecting such anecdotes - should be fun :P

Argh and that piece from masaya... I can't help, i didn't read all of it but the part I did at least doesn't stand in contrast to what toshi said. Actually, I believe that these scanned papers are real, but I'm speechless, that they actually put that online, public to everyone!

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Reply #23 on: January 27, 2010, 08:32:54 AM
Huge LOL at the gynecology specialist writing a document of someones mental state of mind :D That is just ridiculous.




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Reply #24 on: January 27, 2010, 09:24:04 AM
He seems to have some sort of director role in the hospital too, but NO ONE save for the doctor that attends you has any real need to sign a medical diagnosis. That's what the paper is only, a medical diagnosis. It's not Toshi's medical historial or anything, so it's actually perfectly legal to post online.



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Reply #25 on: January 27, 2010, 09:24:04 AM

My opinion of Masaya's latest spew
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Reply #26 on: January 27, 2010, 10:32:16 AM
Of course, this is probably really obvious and everyone here has likely made the connection, but the name 'Masaya' sounds a heck of a lot like the word 'Messiah' when spoken.  ;) Intentional or coincidence? Hmmm. Inquiring minds want to know. LOL
I don't think it's a coincidence. It was even discussed at one point on this forum.

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Reply #27 on: January 27, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
Hum but well, i can imagine Toshi's MIXI bein' removed because of avoiding a possible chance of open HOH vs. X JAPAN Flamewar in the internet...
And I think this article from Masaya now is a likely chance that that could have really happened... like one party posting an open letter back to the other. And i doubt that would help the situation in any way. And aside, that's not X's style to do so. (actually, i'm waiting for an X JAPAN fan vs. Masaya follower flamewar *giggle* 8) )

Aside from that - does anyone know if Toshi has ANY internet account where HOH or Toshi Office have no access?
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Reply #28 on: January 27, 2010, 02:22:51 PM
Hum but well, i can imagine Toshi's MIXI bein' removed because of avoiding a possible chance of open HOH vs. X JAPAN Flamewar in the internet...
And I think this article from Masaya now is a likely chance that that could have really happened... like one party posting an open letter back to the other. And i doubt that would help the situation in any way. And aside, that's not X's style to do so. (actually, i'm waiting for an X JAPAN fan vs. Masaya follower flamewar *giggle* 8) )

Aside from that - does anyone know if Toshi has ANY internet account where HOH or Toshi Office have no access?

He has none, unless he sets up another one and keeps it away from them somehow.



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Reply #29 on: January 27, 2010, 02:30:56 PM
I just posted this on Xplosion...

Yes, it's notification from HOH with an e-mail from Toshi and also a handwritten letter from him to Masaya (well, supposedly written by him).  Here is my understanding.

It begins with information about how Toshi was in Kanazawa and suddenly collapsed on October 22 last year.  He was taken to a hospital there and given a blood test and an electrocardiogram but nothing unusual showed up in the results.  They then thought it must have been some other disorder (some nervous disorder?).

The next day they say they received an e-mail from Toshi (included in the notification) in which he apologises profusely for what happened (actually, there are apologies all throughout the documents...I got sick of reading them!).  He asks for some time to recuperate.

On the 24th friends of Toshi's and Wanku's went to Kanazawa to get him but when they arrived at the hospital they were notified that he had already left.  (I get they impression they were pissed off that they didn't get a chance to see Toshi but I may have misunderstood this).

It goes on to describe how he had been complaining of chest pain since the summer and how worried the staff were (especially worried if he had some kind of mental disorder).

4 days after he collapsed he sent Masaya a letter of apology (enclosed in the notification).  They were worried he had some maladjustment problem and even include some links about the problem!

It goes on an on in true Japanese style.  One sickening part is when it says something about Toshi being a precious one and only friend, family, partner...(Oh, please!).

They deny not paying Toshi.

So, that is my understanding.  It's a very long document with some pretty difficult parts for me.  If anyone has anything to add, or change, please do so.  I want to contribute to everyone's understanding and hope I have done so.

It's written in a way that makes them seem so "caring" towards Toshi...a kind of "we wish him all the best

We are X!!!!!