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The band => General chat => Topic started by: friday on June 30, 2017, 03:51:47 AM
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Let's say worst case scenario and Yoshiki can't play drums anymore
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Do you think they'd be the possibility of him running around (or limping around) with a guitar for the songs he doesn't play piano on, ala Extasy/hide memorial summits? He does have a signature guitar, or can use one of the hide love heart ones...
Which could then lead to Shinya filling in on drums?! He's already played with Toshi in the brainwashing days, and he played drums at the hide memorial summit for X!!!!
Just a bit of speculative banter... ;)
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I have also wondered this. Not so much who would replace Yoshiki, but if he would allow X to continue into the future with another permanent drummer...
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I wouldn't be able to imagine X without Yoshiki on the drums. It would be just so wrong. Playing a few songs at a festival once a year is different from having another drummer permanently. Either X would be over or they would go acoustic from then on, with fewer concerts. But more likely, he would stop doing X and maybe go for classical compositions only.
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Can't see Yoshiki letting X continue without him on drums. I wouldn't have a problem with i.e. Shinya filling in the spot on a permanent basis, but I just don't think Yoshiki would allow that to happen.
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Yeah, let's hope he recovers... But eventually, X disbandment will happen, they are not young anymore and with Pata's and Yoshiki's health issues, something will hit us eventually. (I'm not negative, just being realistic) I do hope they can go on for a few more years at least and maybe release one last album. Unless a miracle happens, Yoshiki's ability to drum will continue to deteriorate, no matter how many times he will get surgery. :'(
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I am also wondering the same thing....
I can't imagine Shinya as a permanent member of X. I don't think Yoshiki will let anyone replace him.
Just hope he will get well enough to play drum again.
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Nope. Him and Toshi will change roles. Yoshiki is the new (old) lead vocalist and Toshi is on the drums. ;D ;D ;D
Haha... No that was a joke. I have no idea what will happen in that case... :-\
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Okay..
I don't know what will be happen, but Yoshiki isn't a great drummer. He is good. And he is a very good composer and such. He is an okay-ish drummer. Much better then Lars from Metallica, but... He is not bad, but not great..
It could be interesting if they have a new drummer. Also they can play more live because Yoshiki can concentrate on a single instrument. Oh, and Orgasm. ^^
It could or would be interesting. Maybe X could gain in technical skills if there is another drummer...
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I don't think Yoshiki will ever accept another drummer in his beloved band...
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He will never accept a subtitute drummer. And seriously, this "Yoshiki is not a great drummer" bashing needs to stop. I showed his drumming to a prominent Hungarian drummer, a friend of mine, who has never seen X before, and told him what people say about Yoshiki's drumming on this forum, he was of the opinion that he is "a pretty good drummer". And I wasn't showing his drum solos, but his regular drumming in several songs.
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And seriously, this "Yoshiki is not a great drummer" bashing needs to stop.
Oh Teemeah i've been waiting for your bullshit. What the fuck is wrong with you? It's not bashing, it's fact and my opinion. Take it or leave it.
Gtfo or let people have their opinions.
Besides that, I'm also a classical trained drummer and started about 20 years ago. Maybe I can recognise an awesome drummer and a guy that is quite okay but not that good. Okay?
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I have also wondered this. Not so much who would replace Yoshiki, but if he would allow X to continue into the future with another permanent drummer...
No fucking way. He will play or he will die. And it seems he didn't listen to fans and his doctors to slow down.
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Deep down, I would like to see X Japan continue without Yoshiki (at least for a little while longer to at least see them again one last time). I'll have the opposing opinion & say that Shinya from Dir en grey would be a fine ADDITION (as in adding to the band, NOT replacing Yoshiki or anybody) to the band or even as a session/tour drummer. I've said this once & I'll say it again, I feel that Shinya can keep up with Yoshiki's drumming style & would be fine as a temp.
But lets be real here, session players for things such as this, it's kinda like putting a band-aid over a gunshot wound. If it comes down to it & if Yoshiki can't play drums or do anything anymore, then it would be best to dissolve the band permanently. Like, no BS, make your peace, shut it down & call it a day.
I can you imagine though, living with the thought that you could've done more with your time. The guilt of letting your legions of fans down because of something you couldn't quite control. This is a scary thought. . . I wouldn't be surprised if Yoshiki or ToshI fell into another deep depression if this were to happen. Hell, I'm getting upset just for thinking of the potential impact this could have on him & the rest of the band. Empathy sucks sometimes, my god.
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I agree with what was said above. Yoshiki would never let anyone else play drums in his band. Imagine the Stones replacing Richards or Jagger - it would no longer be the Stones. On one hand, I don't know if I'd enjoy X with another drummer. I have no idea if Yoshiki is a good or bad drummer because I know very little about music. But he's very fun to watch, with all his drama and his I-wanna-die-on-this-stage bullshit. Not sure if their lives would be that fun with another guy.
On the other hand, I'd be surprised if he could play drums ever again. I saw him in Paris in July and he looked like he was in pretty bad shape. My pops had to undergo the same frontal-incision surgery after 40 years in the military carrying heavy guns, he was in less pain, but he could never run or work out again. I mean, technically he could, but he would be a wreck afterwards and there was a risk he had to go through another surgery to put the stuff back into place. Spine problems are no bullshit. You lose sensation in random body parts, the rest of it hurts and you pretty much feel like a broken robot most of the time. Yoshiki is 50-something, he can very much handle quitting the drums and focusing on piano/classical stuff. As for the depression? You know what, get over it. Go back to playing the trumpet, whatever.
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On the other hand, I'd be surprised if he could play drums ever again. I saw him in Paris in July and he looked like he was in pretty bad shape.
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Yoshiki is 50-something, he can very much handle quitting the drums and focusing on piano/classical stuff.
I gotta say, yeah, Yoshiki does still have quite the career outside of drumming for X Japan, but since he's just throwing caution to the wind & ignoring the advice of his Doctor's like a fucking idiot (Hello, Icarus flying toward the sun, much?), I've begun to doubt that he'll have anything left. I'm seriously doubting that he's made any sort of leeway on his recovery to be honest. *sigh*
As for the depression? You know what, get over it. Go back to playing the trumpet, whatever.
Yeesh, that's cold. I'm giving you a red card that one, got damn.
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Well I guess we all share the same oppinion here - Yoshiki will refuse to quit and definitely refuse someone else replace him. There are two possibilities - he keep going and god help me, let him not starts with drugs and other shits to keep him in condition to be able to do his job, or he will actually wait and heal, if that is possible.
And please, stop with that tiny size, I've got headache! :-[
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Well I guess we all share the same oppinion here - Yoshiki will refuse to quit and definitely refuse someone else replace him.
Yeah, guess we can agree on that. But I think it is interessting to speculate which drummer would be a suitable choice for a replacement. Shinya is an obvious choice, but maybe someone with a total differenct background (culturewise and/or musicalwise) could also work pretty good ... or not at all lol
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I don't know Shinya but I just googled him. Looks like he likes to dress up as Audrey Hepburn. Might be Yoshiki 2.0.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be against a non-jrock drummer. This will sound weird, but if I were them I would have hired a drummer instead of Sugizo. Yoshiki himself is actually a pretty good guitarist, so it seems. They could have a new drummer do the hard work and have Yoshiki step behind the drums only occasionally, for his drum solos or drum trashing or something.
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Yoshiki himself is actually a pretty good guitarist, so it seems. They could have a new drummer do the hard work and have Yoshiki step behind the drums only occasionally, for his drum solos or drum trashing or something.
Yoshiki is AWFUL playing guitar. He can't do more than some power chords, and badly. There are a lot of videos on Youtube where you can see he poses more than plays.
BTW, there is absolutely no way Yoshiki put someone else to play drums on X. X IS Yoshiki. If he needs to stop, he will stop and X will also stop.
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Well I guess we all share the same oppinion here - Yoshiki will refuse to quit and definitely refuse someone else replace him.
And please, stop with that tiny size, I've got headache! :-[
Well, not quite. I'm not against the idea of X Japan having another drummer, but possibility of it being a thing is next to none.
And no to the last part since what I say in the tiny parts are just commentary on my end & don't quite emphasize the topic. Sorry, hehehehehe
I don't know Shinya but I just googled him. Looks like he likes to dress up as Audrey Hepburn. Might be Yoshiki 2.0.
Be nice to Shinya, lol. What he lacks in manliness, he makes up for is drumming in my opinion.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be against a non-jrock drummer. This will sound weird, but if I were them I would have hired a drummer instead of Sugizo. Yoshiki himself is actually a pretty good guitarist, so it seems. They could have a new drummer do the hard work and have Yoshiki step behind the drums only occasionally, for his drum solos or drum trashing or something.
Why a non J-rock drummer though? Is there a specific reason or person in mind who'd you think would fit?
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@Joker, really? I have zero knowledge of guitar. I can tell when it's really awesome but I can't really evaluate skill level. I had assumed Yoshiki was good at guitar because of what he said at a fan meeting in Paris last month. Somebody asked him if he could play guitar since he posed with guitars so often. He said he had been the one to play all the guitar tracks in X Japan's lastest songs (presumably because only he would know what exactly he wants it to sound like). The person asked him about his guitar skills and he said that he wasn't a pro but that knowing piano basically means you can play any instrument. In my head that meant "I'm actually really good at it". 8)
@Kurenai, nothing against Shinya being a princess, haha. His feminine style is cool, reminds me of the early days of X. I like my rockstars weird!
By a non-jrock drummer I mean some Lars Ulrich dude. If the replacement drummer midly resembles Yoshiki, people won't like it. If he picks a dude that's completely different from him, it might work. He'll be like a guest member for lives, like the Limp Bizkit dude was during the 2008 reunion, why not.
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Yoshiki would rather die behind his drumkit than give it up to someone. I think he would be even willing to go acoustic for the rest of his career than give the drumkit to some random dude.
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I don't know Shinya but I just googled him. Looks like he likes to dress up as Audrey Hepburn. Might be Yoshiki 2.0.
Otherwise, I wouldn't be against a non-jrock drummer. This will sound weird, but if I were them I would have hired a drummer instead of Sugizo. Yoshiki himself is actually a pretty good guitarist, so it seems. They could have a new drummer do the hard work and have Yoshiki step behind the drums only occasionally, for his drum solos or drum trashing or something.
And you think he will not bang his head as a guitarist too?
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I don't know. Do guitarists bang their heads?
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Well I don't know.
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1. Yoshiki has brought up handing the drum-reigns to someone else on Twitter. He said that no matter what, X Japan will not stop. If he can no longer play drums it IS an idea of his to find a replacement.
2. Yoshiki CAN play guitar really well. He can solo and do scales and all that jazz. But he is NOT a fluid performer. He needs to sit down in order to play it non-beginner like. It's like he's too familiar with being stationary on piano and drums. Moving about is too alien to him so he keeps it simple.
When he says he isn't that good he's telling the truth. But he's also telling the truth about being able to play it, and probably decently.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=osuWCk5DOO0
Obviously that's not excellent but it shows his understanding of the instrument. He could definitely record guitar parts given he has the time to sit down and work out the things he wants but performance seems to be out of the question.
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Thank you returner :)
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Thank you returner :)
You're welcome!
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@Joker, really? I have zero knowledge of guitar. I can tell when it's really awesome but I can't really evaluate skill level. I had assumed Yoshiki was good at guitar because of what he said at a fan meeting in Paris last month. Somebody asked him if he could play guitar since he posed with guitars so often. He said he had been the one to play all the guitar tracks in X Japan's lastest songs (presumably because only he would know what exactly he wants it to sound like). The person asked him about his guitar skills and he said that he wasn't a pro but that knowing piano basically means you can play any instrument. In my head that meant "I'm actually really good at it". 8)
He may play guitar on the recordings for the new tracks, as the guitar lines of the new songs are REALLY simple. Any teen learning to play guitar can play La Venus.
When I think about Yoshiki playing guitar, I only remember those performances:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-x0massn3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Camn4USwyis
Keep a look during X solo. He is COMPLETELY lost.
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The whole idea of Yoshiki having someone else play the drums and still call it X Japan is ludicrous to me. If it reached that point, I truly think he should disband and reform as a new name with whoever needs to be involved. He's spent the past 10 years making a mockery of the band, let's not mess things up even more. Yoshiki can't play guitar in the band and he certainly can't sing so it's piano/drums or nothing. It was a miracle that Sugizo fit hide's role so well (as well as anyone could considering hide was just the definition of unique). Even Heath isn't someone I can picture being replaceable at this point. When you're part of a band for that amount of time, it takes almost as much time to pass to be replaced without it feeling awkward and wrong, just like 10 years passed after hide died and Sugizo joined.
I'm guessing he'll recover and that all of his tweets are just his usual drama to rouse the nurse-hello-kitty-fuck-me fans. :D
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Yup, sort of agree. Sugizo has seriously done a great job at replacing Hide because he plays it well and keeps a low profile. In a band like X where band members personalities are such a key factor, replacing their dear late guitarist with something even remotely similar (think that guy Miyavi ten years ago) would be pretty weird. But few people will agree to just play the riffs as awesomely as possible and keep their heads down. Sugizo fits the role because he was friends with Hide, probably has the modesty to play his stuff while accepting his role as "the guy who replaced the other guy".
I think Yoshiki might recover enough to play drums again at a few shows but he won't be able to do much more than that. Sort of agree that he's exaggerating it for sympathy but I have two people in family with similar spine issues and DAMN IT HURTS. My ex-sports champion mom was in a wheelchair for six months before surgery, got down to 80 pounds, became a mess of painkillers and threw up all she ate before it could even reach her stomach. The doctor agreed to do surgery in extremis when she was literally bedridden and looking like Gollum. Last time I saw Yoshiki at a fan meeting he wasn't much better than that. Think Gollum with a ton of makeup and stylish multiple layers of clothing to disguise the fact that he's like, a 100 pounds now. I was sitting front row and I could see his knee bones poking out like crazy.
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I hope your mom is better now! My mom has shoulder issues (frozen shoulder) and it hurts like hell, too. It also affects spine, back and neck. It's a wonder Yoshiki could play all six nights without issues. He sure was on high dose of painkillers, and towards the end you can see that he whinces quite a couple of times, I guess as the painkiller's effects started to vanish... He probably also cannot eat a lot of stuff because of his neck operation (think swallowing), I wouldn't be surprised if he were on liquid diet because of it.
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Considering the incision is made through the front, you might be unable to eat solids for a few weeks, that's true. I saw Yoshiki in person twice this year (yey, lucky me, he likes coming to Paris). First time he looked exactly like he does in pictures. Second time he looked as if he'd just left the hospital and donned the johnnies for some expensive leather garments. He was slow and sat there answering questions but couldn't move his neck and kept wincing. The next day he went to Japan Expo and a friend of mine was working as his staff. She texted me that afternoon saying "Euugh, that guy from the band you like is a total zombie" :o
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:o ??? he was probably on a lot of painkillers. That can zombify a person for sure. I hope he will eventually get better.
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I SWEAR Yoshiki is lurking on this board. It's not the first time we talk about a topic and he suddenly posts related photo/video on Insta. LOL. He just posted this video about him getting his muscles/shoulderblades fixed for the acoustic tour backstage. He is incredibly thin. :(
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYDb8JWAzyY/?hl=en&taken-by=yoshikiofficial
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Hahaha, wouldn't surprise me if he/his staff/PR people lurked here. C'mon this is the biggest English-language X-themed forum on the internetz! People like to know what fans think and the reputation they have.
That being said, don't think he posted that because he reads here. If he does, dude, EAT. THE. FOOD.
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:DD Hahah Yes. Yoshiki, if you read this, please don't hate us too much :D we love you ;) please take care of that gorgeous body. :P
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We did have official staff posting some information during the documentary "tour" but they seem to have given up :P
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We did have official staff posting some information during the documentary "tour" but they seem to have given up :P
Oh yes... You think of resonance media right? Almost forgot about them...
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We did have official staff posting some information during the documentary "tour" but they seem to have given up :P
Oh yes... You think of resonance media right? Almost forgot about them...
We were probably too much for them with our pitchforks & torches, lol
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We did have official staff posting some information during the documentary "tour" but they seem to have given up :P
Oh yes... You think of resonance media right? Almost forgot about them...
We were probably too much for them with our pitchforks & torches, lol
You know, Yoshiki might have gotten some serious complexes because of you guys ;D :P Maybe that's the reason why he is afraid to complete that album. It's all your fault ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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You know, Yoshiki might have gotten some serious complexes because of you guys ;D :P Maybe that's the reason why he is afraid to complete that album. It's all your fault ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Reading that first line reminded me of a little joke that was in one of my favorite horror movies (maybe a tad too vulgar for this forum), lol. But anyways, if that's the case, poor Yo-chan can just read my forum signature then, it what it's there for. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Reading that first line reminded me of a little joke that was in one of my favorite horror movies (maybe a tad too vulgar for this forum), lol. But anyways, if that's the case, poor Yo-chan can just read my forum signature then, it what it's there for. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Your signature suddenly looks so beautiful! And hey, it's part of the reason I have my signature as well. Both for our sakes (the band will change) and his (the fandom will be vocal).
And hey... Yoshiki is not a pup getting kicked around. He is a career veteran, living in LA of all places (the most judgemental and soul-zapping city in the entire world). If he hadn't built up a thick skin by now he wouldn't still be making music. His obsessive meandering began back with the album Dahlia. It was released much like this album will be, with most of the songs debuting as singles years before the album's official release.
At the end of the day Yoshiki is the father of his songs and he won't release them without deeming them perfectly created. It won't matter what we say, only what he feels. Hell... I'm 99% sure he has something somewhere that he's thought, 'the fans will hate this part but it's perfect and this is how it will be released.' Other times? Of course, I'm sure he's thought, 'everyone might think this is garbage... Is this garbage? It's garbage. I have to redo it.' but that too comes down to his personal opinion more than anything.
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Your signature suddenly looks so beautiful! And hey, it's part of the reason I have my signature as well. Both for our sakes (the band will change) and his (the fandom will be vocal).
LOL thank you. Not taking criticism to heart is a thing that I must learn to do as well.
And hey... Yoshiki is not a pup getting kicked around. He is a career veteran, living in LA of all places (the most judgemental and soul-zapping city in the entire world). If he hadn't built up a thick skin by now he wouldn't still be making music. His obsessive meandering began back with the album Dahlia. It was released much like this album will be, with most of the songs debuting as singles years before the album's official release.
At the end of the day Yoshiki is the father of his songs and he won't release them without deeming them perfectly created. It won't matter what we say, only what he feels. Hell... I'm 99% sure he has something somewhere that he's thought, 'the fans will hate this part but it's perfect and this is how it will be released.' Other times? Of course, I'm sure he's thought, 'everyone might think this is garbage... Is this garbage? It's garbage. I have to redo it.' but that too comes down to his personal opinion more than anything.
I agree with you completely. I would think that Yoshiki would be open to criticism as the band has been going through multiple of changes visually (no more VK), with it's lineup (hide, Taiji, SUGIZO) & conceptually (from it's hard metal roots to something somewhat softer). If he wasn't, I feel like there wouldn't be much of X Japan in the present day. Nothing to challenge or push the limits of in terms of music & such. Plus, I highly doubt that friendo reads any of this stuff since he tends to listen more to the screaming majority (a.k.a. nurses & such) over the minority.
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Haha, worry not, fellow fans. Those guys were cross-dressing in Japan in the early 80s. They probably got so much criticism and mockery just for that back then, I don't think anything gets under their skin anymore. At some point, people just run out of fucks to give and live by their own rules.
As for for bandmembers or their staff reading here: pretty sure somebody in the staff reads here regularly. I work in PR, checking the client's web reputation is a huge part of my job. I have to read forums, blogs, reviews etc and compile weekly reports with the most relevant info, whether it be positive or negative. That's not only important for the brand/artists to set their marketing and artistic direction, it also helps identify important fan/follower trends. For instance, if a musician's PR identifies that lots of fans like them because they have an eternal bachelor-ish vibe to them (think Elvis Presley), we'll advise the celeb in question to NOT publicize their romantic involvements, as this would shatter that fan fantasy. Sounds weird, but that's how it works and there's people who do that job for a living, Presley's case being a landmark example (you'd never hear of Priscilla, back in the day) :P
X Freaks is probably the band's main English-speaking forum. It's pretty obvious that someone in the PR staff will look here for reputation stats and trends now and then. If I was a guy like Yoshiki, I'd drop by pretty often too. It's interesting to compare what Japanese-speaking fans think of you and what English-speaking worldfans say.
So let's all say hi to Yoshiki! ;)
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Normally, I would have been against the concept of X keeping on existing without Yoshiki as a drummer. However, as Yoshiki is also the writer, pianist and front man, drum only represents a portion of what he is vs X. In that case, as he'd still be a very active member, handing off the drumming task to someone doesn't sound all that impossible. Unpleasant for sure, harsh as hell on his ego but still a better option than no more X (or crappy X with gimped drum attempts).
As for Yoshiki being able to ever drum again (in a style and on a level we've known him for) that sounds absolutely impossible, unfortunately :( This goes beyond his masochistic rock-star persona, it's just the cold hard fact.
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Haha, worry not, fellow fans. Those guys were cross-dressing in Japan in the early 80s. They probably got so much criticism and mockery just for that back then, I don't think anything gets under their skin anymore. At some point, people just run out of fucks to give and live by their own rules.
As for for bandmembers or their staff reading here: pretty sure somebody in the staff reads here regularly. I work in PR, checking the client's web reputation is a huge part of my job. I have to read forums, blogs, reviews etc and compile weekly reports with the most relevant info, whether it be positive or negative. That's not only important for the brand/artists to set their marketing and artistic direction, it also helps identify important fan/follower trends. For instance, if a musician's PR identifies that lots of fans like them because they have an eternal bachelor-ish vibe to them (think Elvis Presley), we'll advise the celeb in question to NOT publicize their romantic involvements, as this would shatter that fan fantasy. Sounds weird, but that's how it works and there's people who do that job for a living, Presley's case being a landmark example (you'd never hear of Priscilla, back in the day) :P
X Freaks is probably the band's main English-speaking forum. It's pretty obvious that someone in the PR staff will look here for reputation stats and trends now and then. If I was a guy like Yoshiki, I'd drop by pretty often too. It's interesting to compare what Japanese-speaking fans think of you and what English-speaking worldfans say.
So let's all say hi to Yoshiki! ;)
Someone keeps tabs. They sent a PR guy here a year or 2 ago under a name like "Resonate Media" or something
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Nice, Resonate Media's report to Yoshiki: Mmmm, so, well... ermm... I created an account to post in this online forum and erm... there's a bunch of weird people there who dress like you and write gay porn of you and your band members and they say they'll marry you and have your babies yet hate you for not releasing an album. I resign, boss. You're surrounded by batshit crazy people.