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The band => General chat => Topic started by: Uncontrol on April 21, 2008, 12:58:12 AM
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I guess, MAYBE, I'll Kill You and Give me the Pleasure might be weird to some people, but then again they play ORGASM.
I mean, I see absolutely no reason why they can't play Vanishing Love.
So, why don't they every play anything from Vanishing Vision?
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I completely agree.
But as for why they don't... I guess they're just trying to distance themselves from the kind of band they started out as, sadly. They certainly don't dress like that anymore either (unfortunately), and I guess the aggressive sound of the VV songs doesn't fit (in their opinion-- or in Yoshiki's opinion, at least) with their current image/style/whatever.
Though, yeah, Orgasm, like you said. I guess that one got "grandfathered in" somehow.
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Technically, Orgasm is on the Blue Blood album. But I know it was also their first single, released back in 1985. ^^
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Oh of course, Orgasm isn't on Vanishing Vision-- I just thought he was using it for comparison, as an example of an old-style song they still play.
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I personally have no problem with that.
They played Sadistic Desire in 1995 though.
I have no idea why they don't play more Vanishing Vision.
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I would love for them to preform some of their older stuff too. I would like to see Voiceless Screaming played again. I don't care that Taiji composed and preformed it, IMO it would be just as good if it was preformed with Heath. X have a lot of songs that they don't preform anymore / during the X Japan era and I found that pretty sad. Although I do agree with previous poster that it may have to do with an image thing, as they certainly have changed alot since they started out....still!!!
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I would pay (a lot) to hear X Japan playing "Phantom of Guilt" some time.
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Well, if it's only about (too) agressive sound... They coul play Alive......? I don't think Alive is too agressive.... :)
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Maybe this is also why Vanishing Vision hasn't been remastered yet :(
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As much as I love Vanishing Vison songs, I cringed every time they played Sadistic Desire with Heath picking through the slapping parts, so I'm kind of thankful they never attempted, let's say, Give Me The Pleasure, post Taiji.
Many bands don't play very early songs because they personally don't agree with those lyrics/the style anymore.
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they played lots of vv stuff during one of the on the verge of destruction concerts
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they played lots of vv stuff during one of the on the verge of destruction concerts
Yeah, true ... but this also has been loooong ago xD; (More than 15 years have passed since then ...)
I would die, if they played I'll kill you, Alive or whatever in Paris ;_; But I know, this won't happen. But I'm not quite sure anyhow how Toshi would sing those nowadays e__e;; For i'll kill you ... euh ... would sound strange. I guess.
But they could play Endless Dream *______*
Well, the imagination is great xD ... *sigh*
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Yeah i agree that they should play some material off Vanishing Vision. I really enjoyed Kyoto sports valley as they played basically everything off it and Alive live was just great! However i don't think they will play any songs of it in the future..unfortunatly.
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Does "composed" mean music and lyrics automatically? Not sure about that, I didn't think that it was expressed the wrong way.
I would like to see Voiceless Screaming played again. I don't care that Taiji composed and preformed it, IMO it would be just as good if it was preformed with Heath.
And I WOULD care if they'd perform Voiceless Screaming without Taiji. Same goes for Desperate Angel. As much as I love those songs and would like to hear them live - I wouldn't want to hear them without Taiji. Voiceless Screaming must be with him on guitar. (I'd be really peeved, hearing it without Taiji - seriously!!! :lol: Might be silly, but that's how I feel!)
I think that those songs aren't performed by X Japan, but were indeed played by Taiji with another project and that Taiji even did a remake of Voiceless Screaming with D.T.R (with different lyrics then) shows clearly, that there must be a reason that the songs aren't performed by X Japan. I'd assume that Taiji has the rights reserved or something, but don't quote me on that, because I can only guess.
As for older songs in general I gotta agree. I'd like to hear more Blue Blood and Vanishing Vision stuff, but that's just a matter of taste. Not every band can do it like KISS and go on performing the old songs (and in KISS' case the more successful songs :P) again and again and nearly ignore the later works. I think it's kind of logical that X Japan rather play newer stuff. They simply developed a lot from the beginning on till now. I guess it could be kind of weird seeing them perform the older works like I'll Kill You and Easy Fight Rambling. :? Of course I'd be really fine with it still, but in my opinion it would seem less matching nowadays.
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I guess it could be kind of weird seeing them perform the older works like I'll Kill You and Easy Fight Rambling. :?
I can't even imagine Toshi singing I'll Kill You ... °____°
The imagination nearly makes me laugh. XD Can anyone imagine this? With his voice nowadays? (Oh, this agression!!! Sorry, but ... xD ... euh ... *thinks of his solo stuff which makes it even more ridiculous* XD)
~ Oh, yeah, I wrote something different before, but ... if I really try to imagine ....... XD ... noooo!~
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I think there are a few reasons.
For example is one big reason that Taiji's not in the band anymore (or hide now). I'm not saying that Heath couldn't play them (even though he's not the slap and tap master himself), but it's just a matter of taste.
hide and Taiji were both for the rocky songs. I guess it's pretty much only Yoshiki and his ballads and a few classics now.
I guess you can see quite well in their development how the interest changed from rock towards melodic... melody music(?). Deciding over what is played on a concert goes through the same progress as what do we want to record now.
To both the answer would be new style X Japan. So they leave it behind.
Actually many many bands do that, sadly.
Another band which is successful with playing songs from all style periods is metallica. I wish X Japan would be more like that since i prefer the old stuff >_>
It's just stupid not to play something because you're embarrassed about it 15 years later
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It's just stupid not to play something because you're embarrassed about it 15 years later
I wouldn't play anything I'd be embarassed about. But is there anything to be embarrased about? I think not. I do admit that I can't imagine Toshi singing songs like Stab Me In The Back or I'll Kill You anymore, but I would LOVE to see him sing songs like Vanishing Love, Blue Blood, Rose of Pain etc. I think those would still fit X Japan.
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I personally don't think that his voice has still the ... "character" for such songs. Of course, he can sing this, it's not a matter of range. But not every voice fits every song, that's a fact. Me singing Orgasm would sound ridiculous as well xD
Ok, after all it's Toshi, he sang the song originally, that's true XD ... So the comparision sucks. BUT his voice changed a lot over the years and that's what I wanted to express (with the help of his solo stuff as well ;D not because the music is different, this has nothing to do with it of course, but his vocal style has developed and you can hear this).
I just don't think his voice can really express the original feeling of the song. His clear voice wouldn't match this hard song in my opinion e,e;
*shrug*
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and to call Voiceless Screaming anything but a ballad would be ridiculous to me.
Prepare to deal with many ridiculous people (including me) who think that not every love song is a ballad, and Voiceless Screaming is one of those songs.
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most of the rocky songs are by hide
and I don't know about Yoshiki being embarrassed but it's really obvious that he's not doing such music at all with any of his projects.
Another thing is our peace loving Toshi, i don't know if he'd really want to sing such songs anymore, but well... I don't really think he's that tightassed either
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most of the rocky songs are by hide
Eeh, is that so? *starts counting...*
So I've got 11 rockish songs from Yoshiki and 7 from hide of which 3 he wrot together with somone else.
So much about that....
*wanders off*
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This is getting hilarious, really. The next person please find out how the mistake count is: Pata vs. hide. hide would probably win by number, no?
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I think asuka pointed it out quite well... i don't think they're 28 rocky songs though o_O;; I think 7 of 28 rocky songs is quite something (and i count most songs by x that are longer than 5 minutes as rocky anymore)
Yeah actually we have two lame ass softies in X, not that i'd mind that and I never thought Yoshiki was into war, raping kids and music pirateing
I don't think the age got much to do with it. Since especially men within the 40's tend to fall back into their youth behaviour. I mean Yoshiki started make-up again and lets his hair grow!!!
I think it's plainly that the old songs don't fit yoshiki's gay porn star producer image anymore.
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Ack, that's right! XD" I'm sorry! @_@
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I think asuka pointed it out quite well... i don't think they're 28 rocky songs though o_O;; I think 7 of 28 rocky songs is quite something (and i count most songs by x that are longer than 5 minutes as rocky anymore)
Aaaahm I said Yoshiki wrote 11 rock songs and hide 7. o_O;;;;;
There are some more from Taiji for example, though.
I don't think the age got much to do with it. Since especially men within the 40's tend to fall back into their youth behaviour. I mean Yoshiki started make-up again and lets his hair grow!!!
I think it's plainly that the old songs don't fit yoshiki's gay porn star producer image anymore.
He never stopped wearing makeup, except for his classical appearances. He wore makeup for all his solo and VUK photoshoots though? o_O He's just back with his belovd band so he got a reason to wear make-up more often again.....
and WTF gay porn star producer image!???????? O_O;;;;
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It's a shame to see a decent discussion degenerate into personal insults, but anyway...
And I WOULD care if they'd perform Voiceless Screaming without Taiji. Same goes for Desperate Angel. As much as I love those songs and would like to hear them live - I wouldn't want to hear them without Taiji. Voiceless Screaming must be with him on guitar. (I'd be really peeved, hearing it without Taiji - seriously!!! :lol: Might be silly, but that's how I feel!)
Totally agree! I don't think it's silly, either-- those songs were very specifically Taiji, and I suspect the band feels the same way (even aside of the possible rights issues). To me playing those without Taiji would be like playing White Wind from Mr. Martin without Pata. (I don't think they've ever played that live anyway, but just as an example.)
And I too am glad-- I think ferret was the first one who said it-- that they didn't attempt any of Taiji's pop/slap stuff with Heath. Asking Heath to copy Taiji's style and play songs that were (and are) heavily associated with Taiji isn't even all that respectful to Heath as musician, frankly. Heath should be allowed to have his own style, not expected to become some kind of Taiji impersonator.
But at any rate, yeah, I too wish they played more of the old stuff. Doubt they will, though, since the band took such a radically different direction after 1992 or so. Too bad.
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Meh. This topic is depressing me. <_<
I think them not playing their harder songs has more to do with what the majority of their fans expect out of them. People want to hear more Forever Love and less I'll Kill You. Songs like Forever Love is what rakes in the money, i guess.
It's like the more I think about it, the more and more Yoshiki looks like a dick. :(
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Meh. This topic is depressing me. <_<
I think them not playing their harder songs has more to do with what the majority of their fans expect out of them. People want to hear more Forever Love and less I'll Kill You. Songs like Forever Love is what rakes in the money, i guess.
It's like the more I think about it, the more and more Yoshiki looks like a dick. :(
Well, if the majority of fans want to hear Forever Love instead of I'll Kill You, playing it will make him some money AND make the majority of fans happy. So he should make the majority of his fans unhappy and make less money to look more like a Yoshiki and less like a penis? ;P
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Well, if the majority of fans want to hear Forever Love instead of I'll Kill You, playing it will make him some money AND make the majority of fans happy. So he should make the majority of his fans unhappy and make less money to look more like a Yoshiki and less like a penis? ;P
:D And count me in as a majority. I love that song.
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So he should make the majority of his fans unhappy and make less money to look more like a Yoshiki and less like a penis? ;P
This made me laugh. XD
Well ... I agree here ;3
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So he should make the majority of his fans unhappy and make less money to look more like a Yoshiki and less like a penis? ;P
This made me laugh. XD
Yeah! Whenever there's a penis, Maya will look at it and laugh! :D
Oh, topic... yeah, I just think X should play what they want to play. What ever they choose, I guess I'm okay with it.
As long it's not only ballads and as long as they don't play Voiceless Screaming etc. without Taiji!
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there are really some ridiculous people here wo try to defend EVERYTHING x japan did and didn't, praising everything and everyone and bladibla. why can you guys just let others have their own opinions about x japan, even if these included things like "some x japan songs really suck" or whatever.
just because you guys like everything from yoshiki and the rest (and i'm cool with that) doesn't mean that those who don't, don't know x japan as good as you do and are asking for a sermon on how to be the perfect x japan fan.
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there are really some ridiculous people here wo try to defend EVERYTHING x japan did and didn't, praising everything and everyone and bladibla. why can you guys just let others have their own opinions about x japan, even if these included things like "some x japan songs really suck" or whatever.
just because you guys like everything from yoshiki and the rest (and i'm cool with that) doesn't mean that those who don't, don't know x japan as good as you do and are asking for a sermon on how to be the perfect x japan fan.
o.O To which postings/people are you refering ...? I didn't see us all saying that X is perfect e_e
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there are really some ridiculous people here wo try to defend EVERYTHING x japan did and didn't, praising everything and everyone and bladibla. why can you guys just let others have their own opinions about x japan, even if these included things like "some x japan songs really suck" or whatever.
just because you guys like everything from yoshiki and the rest (and i'm cool with that) doesn't mean that those who don't, don't know x japan as good as you do and are asking for a sermon on how to be the perfect x japan fan.
If you're referring to me, I was merely pointing out the flipside of his argument, which actually makes his negative argument somewhat positive. I certainly don't like everything X Japan does, I just don't go around whining. I'm just happy that they are back again.
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there are really some ridiculous people here wo try to defend EVERYTHING x japan did and didn't, praising everything and everyone and bladibla. why can you guys just let others have their own opinions about x japan, even if these included things like "some x japan songs really suck" or whatever.
just because you guys like everything from yoshiki and the rest (and i'm cool with that) doesn't mean that those who don't, don't know x japan as good as you do and are asking for a sermon on how to be the perfect x japan fan.
I don't see any posts like that in this topic either, but as someone who happens to like everything X Japan does, I'd just like to say that I personally don't go around forcing others to feel the same way. o.o
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oh stupid, woops, wrong thread ^^
-> see the art of life thread
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Meh. This topic is depressing me. <_<
I think them not playing their harder songs has more to do with what the majority of their fans expect out of them. People want to hear more Forever Love and less I'll Kill You. Songs like Forever Love is what rakes in the money, i guess.
Well, regardless of WHY they play what they play, I personally wish they'd either play more of the old stuff or write new songs that are more in line with their Vanishing Vision/Blue Blood/Jealousy style. I also wish they'd play more rock and fewer ballads. I know there's no way in hell any of that's going to happen now, and of course it's their band and they can do what they want with it, etc., etc.
But that doesn't mean one can't prefer the old stuff. In fact, I WAY prefer X over X Japan and I think it's a shame they changed so much. The old stuff is EXACTLY my taste. The new stuff... not so much.
So you're not alone, I'm another who would rather more I'll Kill You and less Forever Love.
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To me playing those without Taiji would be like playing White Wind from Mr. Martin without Pata. (I don't think they've ever played that live anyway, but just as an example.)
1992 On The Verge of Destruction juste before Voiceless Screaming they played it right ?
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It was during the Violence in Jealousy Tour in 1991
clickity click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQfzgJ9UskA)
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It's a shame to see a decent discussion degenerate into personal insults, but anyway...
How is that an insult? I definitely thought differently when I was younger and I'm sure I will also have another view on things when I'll be older, too, after gaining a lot of new exepriences.
Back to the actual topic. I really wouldn't mind them playing more of those old songs as they really rocked, but times passes by and the band changes too, of course. I don't think there's anything wrong about having other preferences in music with 40 than with 18. Actually that's normal. :P
Well, I'm perfectly happy with what they are playing at their concerts now. Ballads, rock songs, "something else",.... That a nice mix and somthing that's characteristic for X.
(For those who don't like their "new" music, well, that's just bad luck then, I guess)
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It was during the Violence in Jealousy Tour in 1991
clickity click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQfzgJ9UskA)
So wonderful!
:shock: I wonder, who sang the backround vocals there. Couldn't recognize it as a voice of the other X guys. And it's also not Toshi's voice from a tape.
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:shock: I wonder, who sang the backround vocals there. Couldn't recognize it as a voice of the other X guys. And it's also not Toshi's voice from a tape.
I tried to research that a bit (it says on xradicaldreamers that only the guys 5 from the band were performing) and it seems like it was Taiji? :!:
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:shock: I wonder, who sang the backround vocals there. Couldn't recognize it as a voice of the other X guys. And it's also not Toshi's voice from a tape.
I tried to research that a bit (it says on xradicaldreamers that only the guys 5 from the band were performing) and it seems like it was Taiji? :!:
Well, only five guys is wrong, when I look that there's also a violin? :? And Taiji... I really cannot imagine him sounding like that! :lol: I think his voice sounds different. Cannot explain that really...
Same with hide's and Pata's voices... they sound all different than this background voice there in my opinion.
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Agree with you, cami °___° Doesn't sound like Taiji at all for me, too ... Although all the guys in the video comments say this o.ò
That's just ... euh ... strange o.o;
It's really mean they kept the stage that dark. XD
Off topic °_°;
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Silly, it was Pata playing the violin, we all known that by now :P It's def. Taiji at the "oooh" part, but before that no idea.
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Silly, it was Pata playing the violin, we all known that by now :P It's def. Taiji at the "oooh" part, but before that no idea.
:P Yeah, of course - the violin! :P
Why definitely at the oooh part? I only saw him looking up or something, but he did so several times. The voice doesn't sound like Taiji in my opinion. Heard his voice in Rain Song and Winds omoi arigatou (omg, I hope it's written the right way :roll:) and - yeah, voices change over the years, but THAT exremely? I think the voice at the background sounds pretty skilled. And the much I like Taiji: Taiji's voice in my opinion doesn't sound so... uhm.. educated. :lol:
(It's funny, from the front it looks like a singing hat - because of these sunglasses at Taiji's hat. :lol: I bet, Taiji's hat is the secret background singer!)
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Yeah, he looked up a couple of times but that was the only time where he, like, bent over to the mic a bit? I don't know, it looks like him singing to me and also would explain the closeup on him during that part.
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Hm, no clue really. I guess only Taiji and his hat know.
Oh btw, I'd like to hear Xclamation live! But this should also be with Taiji! ... that bass bitch, dammit!
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It was during the Violence in Jealousy Tour in 1991
clickity click (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQfzgJ9UskA)
Cool, never knew they'd performed it live. Thanks for the link! I'll check it out next time my connection lets me...
EDITED TO ADD:
OK, seen it now-- great stuff!
As for who's singing, I hear two separate people. Mostly, I hear a trained singer who "warbles" a lot. Sounds like it might be a woman in fact. I also hear Taiji singing along with her, and a few times I do hear Taiji singing alone. I really can't believe that it's ALL Taiji, anyway, because to me Taiji sounds like "just some guy singing" rather than having a very professional-sounding voice.
From about 5:30 to about 6:00, that's Taiji, in my opinion. Then after 6:00 or so the trained singer joins him again.
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Mostly, I hear a trained singer who "warbles" a lot. Sounds like it might be a woman in fact.
That was exactly my impression as well o.o It sounded female ... and very professionall, what irritated me a quite a lot ... xD
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That was exactly my impression as well o.o It sounded female ... and very professionall, what irritated me a quite a lot ... xD
Yeah, I thought it was pretty annoying too-- heheh, it totally overwhelmed the song!
And of course without having been there I can't know for sure who was really singing, but... to me the thought of Taiji singing like that is as funny as the thought of Pata playing violin. If somehow it's really him singing all that, I am SO going to laugh. :lol: