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do you think hide would be happy now?

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Offline iluvpinkspider

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on: December 08, 2009, 06:07:30 PM
with all the new fans X is getting, and how widely known they are, as well as himself? i'm sorry if this makes no sense, but it's hard to put my exact thoughts on this into words.

If you could have told me everything
You would have found what love is
For now I will try to live for you and for me
I will try to live with love, with dreams,
and forever with tears

RIP hide! December 13, 1964-May 2, 1998


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Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 06:59:03 PM
I don't think he would like that they are overusing his name for marketing various stuff(not so much with X) it's like he would be a prostitute :( (people just like to get money from everything :( )



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Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 07:21:46 PM
yeah exactly my thought, obi325.
hide and X wouldn't be THAT famous without the pink-spider-is-dead-bonus unfortunately....



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Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 06:26:55 AM
Within the reunion, I think he is :)

with the milking, I don't think he is :(

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Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 07:02:13 AM
Within the reunion, I think he is :)

with the milking, I don't think he is :(

couldn't agree more



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Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 12:21:20 PM

hide and X wouldn't be THAT famous without the pink-spider-is-dead-bonus unfortunately....



You forgot...the CUTE-pink-spider-is-dead-bonus :P


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Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 02:46:37 PM
with all the new fans X is getting, and how widely known they are, as well as himself? i'm sorry if this makes no sense, but it's hard to put my exact thoughts on this into words.

I think he would be, though he'd be sad I think that Yo's in so much pain and unable to realize that he needs to move on as an artist.... :(



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Reply #7 on: December 09, 2009, 03:53:22 PM
I think he would be sad to see how Yoshiki is using him for marketing, and the way he treats the other members of the band as inferior, how he treats fans who actually like the metal genre and the old metal songs, and how he's now tarnishing the name of rock n'roll/metal in several ways (yes, that's what it is), one being using the concerts as a catwalk to advertise his new ranges of fashion styles (Violet UK).

If hide can see everything going on then I do believe he would be able to have these dislikes about the way things are going, the way Yoshiki's doing things, because from where he is now he has a different perspective of things.
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Reply #8 on: December 09, 2009, 05:54:47 PM
Riiiight, because it wasn't hide who wrote songs like Scars and Drain, pushing X into their current direction? lulz.

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Reply #9 on: December 10, 2009, 04:22:54 PM
Exactly, those were just hide's songs, part of the 5% that the other members of X were allowed to contribute overall, those songs don't decide any direction change in the band, only Yoshiki's songs and decisions do, and the new direction of the rock/metal songs was actually Rusty Nail and Dahlia on that album, the main change in direction of the band was all the ballads on that album though.

Anyway I don't know why you're including Scars on there, Scars had a good Riff, kind of subtle & quiet though, a good solo, and the vocal lines were fast/exciting, so I'm leaving Scars out of this.

I.V and Jade have nothing to do with Drain, I.V and Jade sound the way they are because Yoshiki's been making techo tracks for movies for too long, and he's going down the "make a song that sounds like a boring generic modern rock song, that's what makes money these days" route, Drain has never been thought of as the new direction of the band, and I.V and Jade's sound has never been heard of before in X and none of us asked for it.

Also I don't think hide was thinking "okay, we've moved on, we'll never play any of our proper rock songs except the top three ever again. Yoshiki definatly was though.

Look anyway, this is going beyond the point of the topic, so lets just stop, my original post is my opinion on what hide now thinks and I'm sticking to it, now let someone else have their opinion and the topic continue as normal.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2009, 05:11:40 PM by Ulquiorra »



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Reply #10 on: December 10, 2009, 06:03:32 PM
Exactly, those were just hide's songs, part of the 5% that the other members of X were allowed to contribute overall

5%???

I didn't realize that 4 out of 9 songs on Vanishing Vision (44%), 3 out of 12 songs on Blue Blood (25%), 6 out of 10 songs on Jealousy (60%), and 3/10 songs on Dahlia (30%) written by the other members constitutes a mere 5% overall!!! wow!  :o

those songs don't decide any direction change in the band, only Yoshiki's songs and decisions do, and the new direction of the rock/metal songs was actually Rusty Nail and Dahlia on that album, the main change in direction of the band was all the ballads on that album though.

In YOUR opinion. As I see it, hide's interest in industrial music clearly contributed to the reshaped climate of X's music. I see the direction that Scars and Drain took as being a significant factor in that development, as well as Dahlia and Rusty Nail. To me, IV and Jade are merely a continuation of that, although clearly lifeless and uninspired in comparison.

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Reply #11 on: December 10, 2009, 07:24:32 PM
Pfff, drama drama. I hate it when topics turn out like these because no one respects each other's opinion and in the end, no one's right or wrong. It's just pointless and annoying.



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Reply #12 on: December 10, 2009, 08:15:46 PM
Pfff, drama drama. I hate it when topics turn out like these because no one respects each other's opinion and in the end, no one's right or wrong. It's just pointless and annoying.

LMAO man.....the last few months you say you hate every topic people create.
I have started wondering WHAT kind of topics you think we should be discussing.
I don't really mind, it's your opinion and all but honestly...you've called so many topics stupid that I'm simply wondering why you even bother to read them...XD



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Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 09:19:07 PM
EDIT: quoting seriously messed up my post so here it is without quotes;

I think what she meant was the direction that this topic/thread took and not the actual subject matter. I think what MIHO meant was that she doesn't like people not respecting other peoples opinions and therefore resulting in constant arguing..
« Last Edit: December 11, 2009, 03:05:46 AM by TG »

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Reply #14 on: December 11, 2009, 02:03:13 AM
I'm personally not seeing any drama or fighting in this thread, simply people sharing their strong opinions. Debating is probably 50% or more of what all forums are anyway.
In fact, I think conflict is the most fun I can have on a forum.

As for the actual topic? I think he would be rather disgruntled. Hide struck me as having a very punk mentality, so the over-commercialism (even with how commercial Japan seems to be) probably would not be his scene. Not to mention he'd probably weep at the guitar riffs Yoshiki has been coming up with.


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Reply #15 on: December 11, 2009, 01:51:12 PM
Pfff, drama drama. I hate it when topics turn out like these because no one respects each other's opinion and in the end, no one's right or wrong. It's just pointless and annoying.

LMAO man.....the last few months you say you hate every topic people create.
I have started wondering WHAT kind of topics you think we should be discussing.
I don't really mind, it's your opinion and all but honestly...you've called so many topics stupid that I'm simply wondering why you even bother to read them...XD

Haha, not gonna lie, you're completely right. Maybe I should take a break from topics and forums like these for a while :P


(I still think this is a pointless topic though XDD)



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Reply #16 on: December 11, 2009, 05:18:10 PM
Do I think hide would be happy now?

That would entirely depend on which hide you are reffering too. The insecure, shy, retiring and alcoholic hide, or the genki, extrovert, public image hide.

I don't think he was every truely happy, I don't see how him being alive today would really make any difference to that. Also, X Japan would have been reborn sans-Toshi a long time before it was in 2007 if hide hadn't died.



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Reply #17 on: December 11, 2009, 07:49:05 PM
hide would be happy with X reunion, if it was a real reunion. Not just a desperate attempt to promote the solo projects of each one. X reunion is something like "I'll do my solo projects and eventually play with X JAPAN to earn some attention and promote myself".  He would be happy if X were a band again, not a marketing strategy to its members, and a gold mine to Yoshiki and Hiroshi Matsumoto exploiting hide's image.



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Reply #18 on: December 11, 2009, 09:54:53 PM
Exactly, those were just hide's songs, part of the 5% that the other members of X were allowed to contribute overall

5%???

I didn't realize that 4 out of 9 songs on Vanishing Vision (44%), 3 out of 12 songs on Blue Blood (25%), 6 out of 10 songs on Jealousy (60%), and 3/10 songs on Dahlia (30%) written by the other members constitutes a mere 5% overall!!! wow!  :o

Out of four entire albums hide only made 6 songs total, and Taiji did one or two, apart from that there was a couple of instrumentals by Pata and Taiji, so no I'm really not exagurating that much with 5%.

And Joker, I don't believe all the members have come back just to promote their solo projects, maybe Toshi might be using it slightly, but really I think Toshi wants the band to continue because he likes to work with everyone again, Yoshiki on the other hand, I'll agree with you there. He said in a recent interview he's using the concerts as a place to advertise "the new fashion of Japan" or something like that with Violet UK, and I.V. and Jade are just clearly trying to sound like the shitty modern rock music right now to get popular in the states rather than making music that actually has heart and talent in it.

If I wanted to listen to a new style of metal that fuses old style metal with modern metal, with power ballad vocals, and involves talented writing, I'll listen to Blind Guardian's A Twist In The Myth album.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2009, 10:04:58 PM by Ulquiorra »



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Reply #19 on: May 21, 2010, 11:26:05 PM
No one is ever truly happy, it is only for a few breif moments in life that we ever are. If hide were alive today he would have his happy moments, I belive that one would be X-japan would together again.
Though chances are, if you think about it, if he was alive there is no gurantee that the songs X is creating now would have even been written. so no point in aruging whether or not he would have liked them.
as for there new sound and stuff... get over it already things always change and after 10 years they would have.

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Reply #20 on: May 22, 2010, 06:51:05 AM
@shinacira
that depends what you call truly happy. It's impossible to be happy 24-7 unless your on some kind of drug haha. If there is up's there is downs, highs and lows. Just like there is moment's of sadness and moments of happiness. You brain needs balance to put things into perspective.

On the topic of hide. I think he would be happy. People are still doing the memorial day. He'll be happy the love exists.



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Reply #21 on: May 22, 2010, 08:07:11 AM
I'm not even sure if he would even be that mad about the money people are making off of him... I mean, if I died and my friends can make money off of me by selling a doll that looks like me I'd be all for it you know? People still respect hide and his work, that is what allows people to still make money off of him. I think he would be happy that his music is still so revered today.



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Reply #22 on: May 22, 2010, 09:42:00 AM
I agree with you sora, the only thing is - hide would be alive he'd get all the money for himself, so I'm sure he'd be super happy! :D

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Reply #23 on: May 22, 2010, 11:10:14 AM
I don't know him personally, so can't get any imagine how he live his life and think. But as far as I read your guys comments and read Hide online diary and interviews. I think if he is alive now and keep writing his own online diary. You guys will get scold by him for insulting his friends and family. :-p

http://xfreak.exteen.com/20081116/episodes-hide-s-voice-20474-12398-12424-12387-12385-12419-12

(In case that you can read Japanese, he scolded a fan mail which in kind of insult Yoshiki.)

back up one @ http://21.xmbs.jp/shinpp/

too bad translation's deleted @ http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Ginza/8600/hidev.htm



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Reply #24 on: May 22, 2010, 01:08:04 PM
I don't know him personally, so can't get any imagine how he live his life and think. But as far as I read your guys comments and read Hide online diary and interviews. I think if he is alive now and keep writing his own online diary. You guys will get scold by him for insulting his friends and family. :-p

Personaly, I have never insulted anyone related to hide, but let's face it, whoever is making those loads of money with hide's merchandise is not doing it, in my point of view, respecfully.
If hide wanted wanted to be remembered, he wanted it to be remebered within each one's heart, through his actions and through it's music.

So, on Topic, if hide would be happy today, for the memories and influences in each one of us? Yes.
If he would be happy in how profitable is his name is? In my ignorant mind, I don't think so.

Again, this is mearly speculation.

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Reply #25 on: May 22, 2010, 07:36:36 PM
Sorry I worded it wrong, I am not really good with words, I did not mean it to sounded to be depressing or anything like that. what I mean by it to be truely happy is to be happy 24/7 all the time. so by saying no one is truely happy, means no one can be happy for ever, unless you are heavily medicated.

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