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The band => News => Topic started by: Ba-DiL on March 16, 2009, 11:39:31 AM
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As you already know, X JAPAN have serious problems. The band management does not make formal and explicit statements that explain the situation.
We conducted an analysis of events and made several conclusions.
How events were developing:
■ February 24
HEATH (with his staff), SUGIZO and PATA were at a party, as it was written at Akemi Oshima's site.
http://www.esp.ac.jp/oshima/rr_diary/2009/0902.html
■ March 3
OHP notified that there will be a TOKYO DOME detailed announcement on the 6th.
■ March 4
HEATH mobile movie updated. (It looks like he sends video massages.)
■ March 6
OHP: The announcement of Yoshikitty.
OHP: Tokyo Dome tickets reservation will be announced on the 7th of March.
■ March 7
HEATH mobile blog updated.
HEATH PC FC blog updated.
OHP: The TOKYO DOME tickets reservation postponed until the 14th of March.
■ March 9
HEATH PC FC blog updated.
Korean OHP: Yoshiki e-mail interview appeared.
■ March 11
HEATH mobile movie updated.
YM: YOSHIKI come home to Japan. Meeting & personal practice.
Information about HEATH "riot" was published in the Tokyo Sports Shinbun evening newspaper.
■ March 12
YM: YOSHIKI had meeting & personal practice.
There were several articles about HEATH in newspapers appeared.
■ March 13
YM: YOSHIKI had meeting & personal practice
OHP: South Korea and the TOKYO DOME ticket sales were delayed. Korean lives was cancelled, TD lives was postponed.
■ March 14
Newspapers articles about HEATH becomes worse and more evil.
Videos with TV news were appeared at YouTube.
YM: Yoshiki accidentally found out information about this issue from the newspapers.
YOSHIKI will send a message, after checking the facts.
■ March 15
TV: PV about Tokyo Dome lives was appeared with Yoshkitty as a symbol.
Let us provide you translation of article from Zakzak (Japanese evening newspaper being issued by the Sankei Shimbun).
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The reasons for X JAPAN concert postponing is... the crack between members.
Heath unilaterally sent to the agency a statement about the termination of contract.
Fans of well-known rock band X JAPAN don’t conceal their anxiety: the group has postponed the concerts in Korea, scheduled for 21-22.03, and ticket selling to Tokyo Dome concerts (May 2-3). The official website only says, it was made "for different reasons", but what are the real causes of all events?
According to information received from people, who are working with a group, the cause of the whole mess is problems with a contract, appeared between HEATH (41) and his agency.
At the turn of last month through his lawyer HEATH suddenly sent to the agency a statement about the termination of contract. This was told by the person who was aware of just what happened.
"After HEATH unilaterally informed the agency about the dissolution of the contract, he demanded to pay him a fee directly from organizing committee, dealing with the group management."
What compelled HEATH to resort to such actions?
After the reunion of the group, in addition to agencies with which each of the group members entered into a contract, there is "X JAPAN Production Management Committee", which is engaged in the management of the group as a whole.
"Tokyo Dome concerts in March 2008 have brought us profit of several billion yen. As the current world tour has pledged to bring more profit, perhaps he wanted to create his own agency before the concerts in Korea" (these are the words of the man, who was aware of what happened).
In connection with an unexpected revolt of HEATH, director of the agency comments on the event in the following way: "I am in complete disarray since all happened so suddenly. Because of a lawyer, involved in the case, I can not describe anything in detail (about the contents of the contract, and other things)." In addition, the committee is busy addressing the situation: "We know that the conflict between HEATH and his agency occurred because of the contract. Now the leader of the group Yoshiki is engaged in settlement."
However, some representatives of the world music consider that "the current conflict will cause the final crack in the band".
"HEATH was not a member of the group at the time of its formation and has been chosen and brought in the band by dead guitarist HIDE. Even with the reunion of the group Yoshiki asked the director of the agency, with whom he had a good relationship, to accept HEATH into the band. This act of HEATH is a betrayal of all members. Perhaps this will not lead to the disintegration of the band, but at the present time the suspension of group activities is inevitable" (says an employee of the Committee).
In any case, as a result of the postponement of the concerts the band will be responsible for compensation of several hundred million yen.
This is an ordeal for the miraculously reunited charismatic group.
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So, at the moment we can see that some strange things are happening.
And it looks like frame-up from X JAPAN management. Not the first one. Or it's depressing incompetence, we do not know which is worse. Now, we explain what we mean.
What we have: four artists each had its own management at the time of X JAPAN reunion (plus HIDE management, 'cos he still stays X JAPAN member). After that the personal management are combined to form X JAPAN Production Management Committee, on behalf of which now makes all major unpleasant statements. This committee now manages the group.
The main indistinct issues at this point:
- Why HEATH filed documents for break his contract with Global Management? He had financial problems and he needs money, but under contract, he receives a pittance? He did not agree with the general policies of the group and no longer wishes to be given to this circus? He wants to leave the group and do solo career?
Another vague questions:
- Why Yoshiki still keep silence? If there is such a problem, what and why he is now rehearsing? If concerts was postponed.
- What Toshi, Pata and Hiroshi Matsumoto (as HIDE executor) think about? And Sugizo, as a new member of the group?
X JAPAN Production Management Committee representatives dissatisfied with HEATH behavior. They are not contented that he had filed papers for the termination of the contract through a lawyer. Two times. Thought the first time he has been denied.
We can not say that we completely know this person. Our knowledge is based on the couple of interviews and the lyrics of his songs. Not very impressive source. But we can say one thing that we had an image of quite serious person, loving his work and his fans. Especially them, everybody talks about it. He constantly communicates with members of his fanclub. HEATH is not the man that on a sudden whim may make stupid jokes like this a week before the concert abroad.
It is not HEATH who must blame now. Not him. We don't believe that slander.
Where is the logic?
Where is a statement from the HEATH himself?
Where is a statement from Yoshiki? It seemed to be a leader of this group.
Where are the statements from other members? Besides Toshi's one "do not pay attention to rumors" at his blog.
Where is the press conference?
Why somebody may think that Yoshiki needed to beg Director of Management Committee to admit HEATH to the band at the moment of X JAPAN reunion? What does it mean that HEATH was not band member right from the start? He was X JAPAN member and he is X JAPAN member now and forever!
Why the abolition of concerts looks like HEATH frame-up, an artist loving his fans and do not wish them such а trouble?
We only have rumors, half-truth and innuendos from X JAPAN Production Management Committee.
We don't believe in it.
The truth is still unknown.
We want to know who take responsibility for all this mess and slander. For all that disorder that we see. For postponed and delayed lives. For unreleased singles, DVD and concert photobook. For our anxiety.
We want to see X JAPAN in Asia, in Europe, in America. Everywhere. Happy and playing for us their beautiful music.
We don't want to know that there are people who only want to earn money on our Band.
Let them just play music for us!
Bring X JAPAN back!!
All journalists tell that we must be disappointed by X JAPAN. It is not true!
We need your reaction. We need your comments. We need your help. X JAPAN need your help and… love. Let's show them that we love them.
Be the real fan – support HEATH! Support X JAPAN!
Spread this massage all over the world!
P.S.: More information about X JAPAN Management Committee incompetence is coming soon…[/quote]
http://x-fan-support.livejournal.com/
I hope this can 'solve' some 'problems'
@Mods & Admin
I'm sorry if I didn't posted it in the right thread :-*
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At least Toshi´s statement sounds encouraging ...
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It's getting rather ... old.. and it's getting old fast.
There has got to be more communication going on here....
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And is there any reason to agitate everyone against the management!? I think X Japan should know themselves what management they could trust. That's all about press articles and stuff, but please, you all can not know what's going on behind the scenes what we DON'T know about. Such articles IMO make everything only worse but better, make fans angry, but doesn't help X Japan in any way.
It would be much better to stay calm and wait for some sollution or at least explanation. And that's something that's up to Heath, X Japan and their management(s) in what way ever. We can't do anything about that and we shouldn't even try to do anything. That would only mean more stress for every side.
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that sucks but no matter what ill always be behind X and anything that yoshiki does and if you think about and watch some of the lives heath never fully seemed to fit in kinda like Jason newsted and metallica wow this is bringing back memories
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I think you got my meaning, Maverick. I mean sitting here making our own conclusions, speculations... and having panic attacks over every little grain of 'news' (press articles, rumor bits, the tidbits fed by X management...) Let's just wait and see what's going on here.
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that sucks but no matter what ill always be behind X and anything that yoshiki does and if you think about and watch some of the lives heath never fully seemed to fit in kinda like Jason newsted and metallica wow this is bringing back memories
That's not quite fair to say. Jason was with the band for a very long time. To say it like you have, then would it be right to say that Viv Campbell didn't fit with Def Lep?
This whole thing is only pure speculation. Let's just see what happens... okay..
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actully if you think about it do you think this is gonna stop yoshiki from finishing this tour the concerts will happen yoshiki is tooo stuborn to peratly cancel them. and ill be the 1st to say it call up taiji or even better cause that would never happen you could alway go to wes the bassist from limp bizkit. whatever im not worried i know in my heart everything will work out in the end.
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actully it is a know fact that jason was always the odd one in metallica cause he was the replacement for there cliff when he died. the rest of the band never made him feel as if he was a real member. same thing here you can see in the lives that heath was the odd man out even tho he was accepted by the band more than jason was by metallica you can still tell. i hope im not the only one that sees that. but like you said there is way to much we dont know. so till we know what is fully going on all i have to say is
WE ARE X
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LETS GET SOME POSITIVITY IN HERE. I LOVE YOU HEATH YOU ARE AN AWSOME BASSIST
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I'm just hoping everything works out right
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Yeah, we all hope that... :/
So we end up with the usual favorite activity as an X fan... waiting ;D
*sneaks over to the i don't like... thread*
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lolz at all rumors, generally
* agrees with Maverick on the waiting part*
Jesus, I don't care about any management whatever and contract excuses etc, i'm waiting for the MUSIC and the GIGS and that's the end of it.
ho ho
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I can only see either Taiji (assuming he his healthy enough to do a world tour and there is a mutual reconciliation between him and Yoshiki) or J of Luna Sea stepping in as a bassist. Neither one is a particularly appealing aspect seeing as it would be doubtful that Taiji and Yoshiki would both be on working terms with each other and bringing in J would bring the politics of Luna Sea into X and it would be amazing if J and Sugizo would get along for the duration of a world tour.
Given the 'success' of this world tour I'm going to go out on a limb and say Heath will most likely leave X and either they'll get Taiji to return for as long as he can stand doing it, or they'll get J/some other bassist to do one final tokyo dome show.
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This whole thing is outrageous!!! i only have one thing to say....
I believe in x
I believe in Yoshiki
I believe in Pata
I believe in hide
.....and i believe in Heath.....
He will make the right decision....and we need to back him up...!
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LOL I find it a little hilarious to discuss already who will be the next X bassist. It isn't clear, whether Heath will leave!!! At least not yet...
(But I have to admit, that my first thought after hearing of that trouble, and not believing it really was: 'Alright, so let's get Taiji back!', though, that was rather jokingly)
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This whole thing is outrageous!!! i only have one thing to say....
I believe in x
I believe in Yoshiki
I believe in Pata
I believe in hide
.....and i believe in Heath.....
He will make the right decision....and we need to back him up...!
What about Toshi?
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We all know that in the event where Heath would leave X-japan, it would be very unlikely to see Taiji as a replacement. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see that happen though.. wouldn't that rock ? Holy crap !
No matter what happens though, one this is obvious : Someone, somewhere, is not doing his job properly... most likely a combination of incompetence. At this point all I care about is if I'll get to see X play live in NY and realize a long time dream (hell I've wanted that to happen for 16 years now....)
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Like I've said before... there seems to be an extreme lack of communication somewhere.
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We all know that in the event where Heath would leave X-japan, it would be very unlikely to see Taiji as a replacement. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see that happen though.. wouldn't that rock ? Holy crap !
Naturally it was a joke and it's rather wishful thinking but anything else. Actually, I can't see that happen for reall, but I still hope for it somehow... dunno
No matter what happens though, one this is obvious : Someone, somewhere, is not doing his job properly... most likely a combination of incompetence. At this point all I care about is if I'll get to see X play live in NY and realize a long time dream (hell I've wanted that to happen for 16 years now....)
Like I've said before... there seems to be an extreme lack of communication somewhere.
Yep, I think that obviously... but well... it's clear why everybody has an own management (solo stuff) but somehow it is also almost clear that there may occur communication problems with so many people involved.
Plus, I think the fans can feel it themselves since it'S hard to get proper information from them.
But we're the masters in waiting and showing patience! eOe9 WE ARE X!
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So another cancellation and postponement.. That's disappointing for the fans the most.
About Heath, I am not really prepared to comment myself since we don't really know what's going on, despite the newspaper report, especially because it would be a personal issue for Heath if it is involving money.
But hope that Heath knows we support him and we want to enjoy X Japan's music. If he still care for the fans, then I hope he will help to fix the problem and get X Japan back to us.
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This whole thing is outrageous!!! i only have one thing to say....
I believe in x
I believe in Yoshiki
I believe in Pata
I believe in hide
.....and i believe in Heath.....
He will make the right decision....and we need to back him up...!
What about Toshi?
I believe in him 2 !! :lol: 2 many pple were yeeling at me....i couldnt think straight
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We don't really know what is happening back there but one thing's for sure, I'll support them no matter what.
I believe in X!
And Heath, I love you no matter what happens!
An official clarification would help A LOT.
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I'm quite confused about the situation right now. But I know that no matter what, they all have my support and love.
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I don't believe any of that till there any official news about all of it,and since when Sugizo is a new member of X?AFAIK,Luna Sea is going to reunite this year (Ryuichi said that on his interview)
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wow..... I think we really need something official here
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I don't believe any of that till there any official news about all of it,and since when Sugizo is a new member of X?AFAIK,Luna Sea is going to reunite this year (Ryuichi said that on his interview)
yeah XD (http://www.jeperfumes.com/images/contradiction_men.jpg)
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Look. Ya'll we are just sitting her banging our heads against a brick wall... all we are gonna do is just get headaches.... Let's just see what is going to happen
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Maybe some GOOD news, finally (http://community.livejournal.com/xjapan/289319.html)
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Maybe some GOOD news, finally (http://community.livejournal.com/xjapan/289319.html)
thanks lets hope it all gets settled soon just wish we really knew what was going on
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Lets hope things are clearing up.
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Let's have faith in our beloved band
yoshiki must be doing sth now
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Yeah, Jacuien. I just hope the poor man doesn't have ulcers by now.
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They should announce a Canada tour just because cancelling both korea and tokyo dome tour had me worried for a while.
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They should announce a Canada tour just because cancelling both korea and tokyo dome tour had me worried for a while.
The last thing I want them doing is announcing new things...clear up the older stuff, Paris and NY.
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No, they shouldn't make any new plans.
They should take the time now to sort everything out, whatever business issues in the band. Then go out on the road and get to Korea and Taiwan. And then plan the new dates for Tokyo Dome. If things are in motion and working well without any more postponements or other problems then everything will work out after that and they can go to New York, Paris etc.
But one other concern I have is, if they are planning on going with X Japan they should get more new music out there, even just another single to coincide with new shows, that would be nice.
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What would announcing more dates solve? NOTHING. It's still the same issue.. no matter what... someone somewhere won't pull their head out of their ass
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It would be nice for an official press conference with the entire band. Just to clear things up and announce what they are planning for the next...month or so. And to have some official reasons as to why things haven't been going the way they should.
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ben, I totally agreed to what you said.
Actually, it's very sad to hear all those problem issues the band is facing at the moment.
Don't really care how long it takes until everything is sorted out.
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i believe they would realli like to get us informed / updated
it is a band that love their fans
but since now, it is a ''legal issue'' that needa involve the lawyers
they cant juz come out and say whatever they wanted to say
so let's be patient and stay positive....
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It's just management butting heads... no one wants to pull their head out of their ass and do the right thing... Heath isn't leaving X... (or I hope he's not)
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I seriously don't like how the management are dealing with this, sure the members could give personal updates on what is happening (that is if they are allowed to by the contract), I still love X but at the same time, it is clear that the band has became more of a buisness more than anything else. I like to think this is not what hide would have wanted, all this money, bickering and contract talk, it's certainly not how I view X-Japan as a band. The band having fun, having the undying appretiation of the fans...that's what the old x was all about imo.
It's even worse when the band or the management be incredibly unprofessional and leave the fans hanging on the verge of the bands first ever world tour. I just hope more good confirmations appear out of this.
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I seriously don't like how the management are dealing with this, sure the members could give personal updates on what is happening (that is if they are allowed to by the contract), I still love X but at the same time, it is clear that the band has became more of a business more than anything else. I like to think this is not what hide would have wanted, all this money, bickering and contract talk, it's certainly not how I view X-Japan as a band. The band having fun, having the undying appretiation of the fans...that's what the old x was all about imo.
It's even worse when the band or the management be incredibly unprofessional and leave the fans hanging on the verge of the bands first ever world tour. I just hope more good confirmations appear out of this.
i very doubt X is about money if that was so the concert would have been done anyway. and heath probably would have been replaced by now. how can you watch a concert like the countdown gig and say X is not about the fans. if X was about the money they probably would have had two albums out by now. besides i think they have plenty of money have you seen yoshiki's plane? as for the delays in the world tour this is to be expected look at where they are playing some of the biggest venues in the world you think its easy. as far as i have heard none of this has to do with bickering between members its heath and management and wasn't there always bickering in X. you know toshi said this then yoshiki said this than hide said that then taiji said that. so it nothing new. but in the end don't they always give us 20000000000000% in the end don't they always give us a concert we can always sit back and say " holy s***t that was freaking awesome. so i have no doubt that when they do finish this tour (and they will) it will be soooooo freaking amazing just like anything they do.
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I don't deny that they think of the fans still, they are the best in most cases that I know for showing the fans huge ammount of respect, the only times that this is ever questionable is when they keep quiet about stuff that some fans obviously worry about. To be honest I don't see how delays can be expected in a world tour, Iron Maiden are doing tons of dates on theirs and only cancel when there is something that serious to warrant it and they have been playing at some of the biggest arenas internationally. Maiden have professional, hardworking management meaning yes it is easy to have a world tour laid out. Makes you wish the X-Japan would just find a management group that are not a total joke.
We have no idea what bickering is going on behind the scenes, rifts between bands over things like musical direction happen a lot more than people might think. None of us are experts on the bands inner relationships meaning we can only make asumptions. Though in this case it's clearly an issue with Heath and the Management with Yoshiki and the other members not finding out about it imediately. I really am looking forward to seeing them at some point live, they will easily get at least into my top three live performances Ive seen (I am hopeful).
I just hope this stuff all ends with Heath still in the band and the tour can go on without being dragged on into 2010.
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i agree with you on that look at Dir en Grey they have been here a few times but we are talking places like Madison square garden and most j bands that come here are playing at bars and expo's not stadium size places except times like family values tour and oz fest and the fact that they are a foreign band does not help much iron madein can do it cause they are huge in those country's and all there songs are in English its extremely hard to go to another country and sing in Japanese lets say if you never listened to X-japan and never heard of them would you think they could sell out Madison square garden. most would say no. Japanese bands are not mainstream here and most likely in other country's too. so the only way your really gonna now about j bands are if you watch anime or know other people that are into it. i didn't know about X til saw 4. and the only other Japanese music i heard before that were from anime. that's why its so hard for them and not bands like metallica or iron maiden. its alot easier to sell tickets if you sing in the most popular language. it just a shame that most people will never get to listen to X cause of something as little as a language barrier.
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That just means that they should really be aiming to play in smaller venues if that is the case, Yoshiki himself expressed surprise at how many people outside of Japan actually liked X Japan. Madison Square Garden is a big venue and i assume Yoshiki thought they could sell out the venue, otherwise they wouldnt be announcing it. X-Japan (though not really their fault) shot themselves in the foot by simply aiming and enclosing themselves into the Japanese market, if they made themselves out to want international success I'm sure back in the days with hide they could have made more of a push into the world market. Though they are an utterly amazing band, they are not big enough internationally to play at certain venues (MSG which in the past has seen sold out shows with bands like Metallica etc).
But it's clear we are drifting slightly of topic here from the whole heath thing, just hope there is gonna be some sort of official press release so the international folks know they don't have to get their hopes up.
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yep to much hear say we do need something official it would help alot its just a shame the price we pay for listening to the greatest band. but its worth it. oh and we all know yoshiki aims alittle to high sometimes (S.K.I.N) but if he didnt it wouldnt be him and thats why we love him.
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Ok... From what I understand.. the issue is between Heath's management and X management... Yoshiki is fighting FOR Heath to make sure all is fair.
That is all I know...
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Ok, the main problem with Heath's management apparently seems to be solved. X Japan just announced that the ticket presale starts tomorrow:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=1001161271&blogId=478567684
aaaaaand they'll play on May 30th in Taipei! Oo
http://www.xjapan.ne.jp/news/detail/?nid=105
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Well, let's cross our fingers and toes that it'll finally be sucessfull ;D
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it's definitely a good news! But, if I were a Korean fan, I would be very uneasy about this announcement, as they just cancelled the shows in Korea...... anyway, it seems that everything is in order now. We will see if the show in Taiwan will really take place.... yes, just let's cross our fingers, toes, hands......
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I will be only believing it the day the concert really starts at the announced time ... eh, and the announced year ^^
But yeah, the news are good :)
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NY and LA next on the agenda...? I hope so.
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I would hope... LOL I hope the small touch of information I caught was enough to help some of you relax some. I just hope these dates don't go *POOF* like the others have done...
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I hope they announce the date of Bangkok Live soon ... since the political condition in Thailand is getting better now :p
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i hope the ny concert is next !!!! i'm trrying to save money so hard that i'm practically begging pple 4 money...........
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The mail's of HEATH :
"I'm so sorry for making you worried these days
Everyday, I read the messages with encourage and support sent by everyone gratefully.
Really thank you.
Now I'm preparing for the dome show steadily.
I did the meeting of clothes(for dome show) today.
Please looking forward to!
HEATH
2009-04-14 22:54"
Source : FC of HEATH
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UPDATE:
Here is a message from Heath reguarding the problems at the start of this year:
” This time, my selfish actions caused big problems to our fans and all involved parties.
After X Japan’s concert in Hong Kong, on January this year, I became puzzled about what I want to do and how I want to progress, from which I fell into temporary emotional uneasiness and I ended up cutting off all communication.
I stopped communicating even with my management office, so the schedule confirmation and adjustments were neglected, which eventually resulted in a hindrance for X Japan activities.
After this, I talked with Yoshiki, who again made me realize the value of me as the X Japan bassist. And so, if the members and all the fans kindly let me, I really want to start as the X Japan bassist once again.
When I conveyed my feelings to the members, I was warmly accepted back.
For me now, things to achieve are – the Tokyo Dome concert in May to (/let them) be a success, and after that I wish to continue X Japan activities with all my might.
I want to give my deepest apology for selfishly thinking only about my own business and thus causing so much trouble to all our fans, to X Japan member as well as to all other involved parties. “
HEATH
SOURCE: http://listentheworld.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/yoshiki-has-convinced-heath-to-stay/#more-7635
(Translation from 003chan, with the original from the official X Japan site.)
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thanX so much, Mc! :D
anyway, I love your avatar! XD
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That is so sweet of him.
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That was a kind message and made me respect and appreciate Heath more.
I think that no matter what your work is, who you are, there are many times where you lose motivation or direction in what you do and need a chance to rethink what you are doing, sometimes, unintentionally, at the expense of other people's participation. Hopefully Heath will really be happy continuing with X Japan and it is what he wants for the long term.
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In my opinion this whole mess is not ended, not cleared up.
That 5/1 message didn't seem to be written by HEATH himself. It just didn't sound like him (in JPN origin). Some of my friends told me that the manner of writing in this message sounded like a manager or staff or something....
It's said that at the 5/2 concert, when they performed Rose of Pain HEATH was crying throughout the song. I don't know why but I think the problems are really hard for him.
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I think that people need to be reminded that just because you are a musician, it doesn't mean you don't have a "job" like everyone else. Being a full time musician is a job, and a tough one at that because you have to put a lot of emotion into your work. I am sure that many of the people out there who are angry with heath, or feel that he hasn't done enough to gain forgiveness, have had times in their jobs when they start to question weather they want to keep doing what they are doing or if it is worth it.
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I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't written by Heath. In fact, I wouldn't care either. I don't know how good of a wordsmith Heath is, but some people just aren't that good at writing up their thoughts and feelings. As long as Heath agrees with the text, I'm fine.