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The band => General chat => Topic started by: BizKiTRoAcH on April 09, 2007, 04:42:30 PM
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There are so many fans that praise anything that X Japan (or its members) do/create. I'm not one of those fans. X Japan are my favourite band of all time and I listen to them every day.. but that does not mean I think they are perfect. Instead of clogging up the other threads, I decided to make a seperate one for other people to say what they dont like, and for the other people who disagree to get their point across.
I'll go first.
Visual Kei. I wouldnt say hate.. but I do NOT like it at all. I dont care if they play dressed like women or they play naked. As long as the MUSIC is good, i'm happy. I just think the whole VK thing is a bit of a joke. If Yoshiki likes wearing dresses and womens clothes then by all means, he should. I just think it looks stupid. hide definately takes the cake here though. The only time I thought hide looked decent was during his "Pink Spider" PV. I cant really think of any other time I liked how hide looked.
On that note, I dont like hide much at all. His music is average. He has some great songs but he has some awful ones aswell. I do not like his "look" at all.
Yoshiki's drum/piano solo's. As mentioned in other topics, to me they just sound like random bashing. NOT THE FULL SOLO'S!! I'm NOT saying the whole thing is random bashing! Take "Art of Life". At one point, he is literally hitting the piano with his forearm and then standing with his back to the piano hitting keys with his hand. It sounds AWFUL and looks just as bad. You can call it "art" all you want, i'm not falling for it. He's just hitting the piano. Maybe there is some deep meaning behind it, maybe he's doing it for a reason.. I dont care. Musically, it sucks. And I know people can say "Everyone has different tastes, it might sound bad to you but great to someone else". If I did that on a piano, people would say I'm randomly hitting it. They would NOT say i'm creating "art" and they would not say it sounds good. Yoshiki gets away with it because he's Yoshiki.
The drum solo isnt as bad as the piano, but its still not the best. The fact that he has classical music playing in the background doesnt help it at all. Again, he might be trying to get some deep meaning behind it but the drum solo sounds stupid with the classical music behind it. I'm very open-minded and I love all styles of music, but that just sounded stupid.
That'll do for now. There is a chance this topic will go nowhere but it could also be a very active one. It would be good to see who agrees/disagrees and some things that others dont like.
EDIT by Hypno: All fights, quarrels and disagreements ANY of our members will have in this topic are NOT allowed to be brought up elsewhere. You are NOT allowed to create opinions, good or bad, about ANYONE based on this topic. I absolutley FORBID thinking bad about someone becouse of what they will write here!
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First you say you don't give a shit about looks and then you write how much the visual stuff sucks...contradiction?
The drum solo isnt as bad as the piano, but its still not the best.
What is the best then? And whose is the best?
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If you want we can start another topic but... X Japan NEVER was Visual Kei.
Then, about the topic itself...
hide - sorry, lot of times after watching some concerts or random clips I feel like if hide tried to be the leader of the band, the way he acted lot of times was like prepotence, lot of prepotence, sorry, I hate that, also as BizKiTRoAcH have said some hide songs are HORRIBLE, Doubt... one of the worst songs I've ever listened to.
some performances - on the dahlia tour, when hide goes there on the stage with some robots or fuck... i don't know what's that, yes... i know it... a SHIT.
yoshiki's solos not all, but for example the piano solo on the last live or dahlia tour were fantastic, but some early piano solo and 90% of teh drum solo were also shit, toshi did the best solos.
I also don't like that Yoshiki doesn't release much stuff... there're some concerts taht must be released.
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DC21, Toshi's solos were the best? Whut solos do you mean? I have seen/heard Yoshiki's, hide's, Heath's, Taiji's and I think even Pata's solos but Toshi's? :P
And even though I'm not a fan of hide really, I kinda like his looks and so and also I'm totally ok listening to his songs. No comments about his personality tho, I don't think I know him well enough to do that. The only time I really hated hide's looks was Dahlia Tour Final. I still haven't watched that video becouse I think hide's hair (and abit his outfits also) are horrible. Tho I understand his solos with the robots and stuff. I'm really no fan but I don't have anything against it :)
Umm, I think you already know my opinion on Yoshiki's solos, so I won't comment on that.
I agree with DC21 on the not enough releases tho :P I see Yoshiki's reasons behind it (painful to watch etc) but I still think he could pull himself together enough.
BTW I will edit the first post with a comment, make SURE you read it!
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DC21, Toshi's solos were the best? Whut solos do you mean? I have seen/heard Yoshiki's, hide's, Heath's, Taiji's and I think even Pata's solos but Toshi's? :P
He would sing Tears with a harp player, or play an acoustic guitar and sing Say Anything.
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Ok, I haven't seen those (maybe I have seen the harph one...) I guess...
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Yes, he played Rose of Pain, Unfinished, Say Anything and Tears with guitar or harp, really beautiful ones, Toshi rocks :lol:
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i have only one problem with x japan... and its that i dont like their looks , until when they started using regular clothes ofc... , im just not used to guys in colorfull dresses and 2 feet long hair on the air.. its insane, and all the makeup and stuff they seriously look gay sometimes...
for the rest , the music .. the playing everything is just perfect
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i have only one problem with x japan... and its that i dont like their looks , until when they started using regular clothes ofc... , im just not used to guys in colorfull dresses and 2 feet long hair on the air.. its insane, and all the makeup and stuff they seriously look gay sometimes...
for the rest , the music .. the playing everything is just perfect
Hah :D I hate their normal looks ;P I like the crazy outfits much more. I think it was a big part of what X was about, and I've always liked bands which care about the visual-side too, like KISS, the first band I ever listened to, and still do ;P
And what's wrong with looking gay?
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About the Visual Kei thing: I don't want to use it when I talk about X but in general. I really like it because to me music isn't just a thing you hear, it's a combination of what I see and what I hear ... you could say it's a synthesis of the arts and when I see musicians in jeans and t-shirt on stage I get the desire to punch them ;)
Maybe I'm strange but in my opinion music creates an atmosphere and the musicians who create this atmosphere should form and represend this atmosphere visually...that's just my opinion and I hope you get what I mean 'cause I'm not that good at english to explain it pretty good ;)
I'm a hide fan, I really like his music, his styles and his behaviour BUT I know that it's all an image , that he's not the person you seem to know through media. Maybe he was a total asshole, who knows but isn't it always with prominent people that they are like we imagine them how we want them to be 'cause we don't know them in reality ? I like that image but I know that it's JUST an image.
Damn, because of all the blabla I forgot the rest I wanted to say...
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First you say you don't give a shit about looks and then you write how much the visual stuff sucks...contradiction?
I suppose you could say that. I think the look sucks, but it doesnt affect how much I enjoy the music. If X Japan reunited and they all dressed in stupid clothes or dressed like women, i'd still want to go to the concert. What I mean is I dont like the visual kei stuff, but I dont dislike it that much that it would affect whether I went to see them live or meet them or anything.
What is the best then? And whose is the best?
This one was "lost in translation". When I say "its good but its not the best", i'm not trying to say I know any specific person/drum solo that is better. I'm just saying i've seen much better.
Its a saying that a lot of people I know (and people in the UK in general use) when talking about things.
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BTW I will edit the first post with a comment, make SURE you read it!
Thanks, you definately saved me a bit of hassle. I can see myself making a few enemies in this topic :P
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About the Visual Kei thing: I don't want to use it when I talk about X but in general. I really like it because to me music isn't just a thing you hear, it's a combination of what I see and what I hear ... you could say it's a synthesis of the arts and when I see musicians in jeans and t-shirt on stage I get the desire to punch them ;)
Maybe I'm strange but in my opinion music creates an atmosphere and the musicians who create this atmosphere should form and represend this atmosphere visually...that's just my opinion and I hope you get what I mean 'cause I'm not that good at english to explain it pretty good ;)
This is where I will have to completely disagree with you :P
To me, music is about MUSIC. Not the looks, the acts, the stuff they do on stage. I just want to hear good music. If they band wants to perform dressed like demons or completely nude, I dont care... as long as they dont let that affect the music that I enjoy listening to.
To be fair though, i've always been about the music. When I listen to a song, I can hear the lyrics and I can sing the lyrics but I dont LISTEN to the lyrics. I just hear and repeat words that have been put into a sentence. I very rarely pay enough attention to see what the singer is trying to get across in his song. I'm paying more attention to the music than anything else.. which is one of the main reasons I dislike some of Yoshiki's solo's. Musically, they suck (in my opinion of course) and they sound awful.
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>>i would rather not answer to that thread cause i will hate you and you will hate me back and since i'm very good at that i'd rather stop<<
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About the Visual Kei thing: I don't want to use it when I talk about X but in general. I really like it because to me music isn't just a thing you hear, it's a combination of what I see and what I hear ... you could say it's a synthesis of the arts and when I see musicians in jeans and t-shirt on stage I get the desire to punch them ;)
Maybe I'm strange but in my opinion music creates an atmosphere and the musicians who create this atmosphere should form and represend this atmosphere visually...that's just my opinion and I hope you get what I mean 'cause I'm not that good at english to explain it pretty good ;)
This is where I will have to completely disagree with you :P
To me, music is about MUSIC. Not the looks, the acts, the stuff they do on stage. I just want to hear good music. If they band wants to perform dressed like demons or completely nude, I dont care... as long as they dont let that affect the music that I enjoy listening to.
Well that would be when just enjoying a song or two, but when you claim yourself a fan of a band, I think it matters, it doesnt affect the music itself but is a big part of the band. And when I am a fan of a band, I wan't to see the guys that made this awesome music, and if their looks don't match the greatness of the music, I will be greatly dissapointed. I will listen to them, but I won't claim myself as a fan, because if I am a fan of something I wan't it to be more than good music, larger than life, and visuals and stage-show do very much for that.
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Okay then, if you put it that way, i'm a fan of the music X Japan produced. Not X Japan :P
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Okay then, if you put it that way, i'm a fan of the music X Japan produced. Not X Japan :P
Well, you are a fan of what you wan't to be, but that's just my view of being a fan. ;P
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one more thing..
I wan't to see the guys that made this awesome music, and if their looks don't match the greatness of the music, I will be greatly dissapointed.
Well, the song "X" was first written/played in 1985 (that is the earliest release I have of it anyway).. and its one of their most popular songs. However, their looks (and lineup) have completed changed from 1985 up until their last performance (Last Live, 1997). Does that make the song any less great? Not in the slightest. It is one of my favourite songs and no change in looks can change how great I think it is.
The thing is, looks change. The songs dont. It had a few variations but the "final" version of X was released in 1989 on the Blue Blood album and they played it all the way through until their final performance. Over those years, the looks of all the members changed A LOT but the song still retained its greatness.
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one more thing..
I wan't to see the guys that made this awesome music, and if their looks don't match the greatness of the music, I will be greatly dissapointed.
Well, the song "X" was first written/played in 1985 (that is the earliest release I have of it anyway).. and its one of their most popular songs. However, their looks (and lineup) have completed changed from 1985 up until their last performance (Last Live, 1997). Does that make the song any less great? Not in the slightest. It is one of my favourite songs and no change in looks can change how great I think it is.
The thing is, looks change. The songs dont. It had a few variations but the "final" version of X was released in 1989 on the Blue Blood album and they played it all the way through until their final performance. Over those years, the looks of all the members changed A LOT but the song still retained its greatness.
I never said the songs get worse. The music is as good as it is, but the bigger picture suffers. To me, bands are much more than just music.
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Hmmmm I don't like Visual Kei very much.
To me X isn't Visual Kei, tho they say it as well. I agree, that without X VK wouldn't have become what it is now, but to me X really has rather kinda hair metal style. Okay, In this point I relate to the time of their beginning (and I love Yoshiki's spike-hair :P), and I prefer compared to all those crap (:P sorry guys and girls :roll: ) nowadays the older J-metal bands, who have somehow a visual style, but not like what VK has become.
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X JAPAN WAS NOT VISUAL KEI
I also don't like saying that X Japan was Visual Kei, you can't say you hate them because of Visual kei since they never were that.
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What is the best then? And whose is the best?
This one was "lost in translation". When I say "its good but its not the best", i'm not trying to say I know any specific person/drum solo that is better. I'm just saying i've seen much better.
Its a saying that a lot of people I know (and people in the UK in general use) when talking about things.
Nope, it wasn't, we have the same saying in German :P Why do you have to compare Yoshiki's solos with somebody else's, Yoshiki is showing his feelings while doing his solos, and another person might show his or hers, but there's no way they have the same feelings for every human being being an individual.
As for hide...if one doesn't like him, he or she could at least respect him for actually being part of their 'favourite band'. They can say as much as they want that there are better guitaists than him, who could've done a better job than he did, but they DIDN'T. hide did, Yoshiki chose hide to be lead guitarist in X and I guess he didn't do that for no reason.
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What about X Japan that I don't like...
- Probably the fact that there was so little released, though the ones they did are more addictive than crack.
- I am a bit uncomfortable with the visual part at the start, but I don't really see it now. Instead I look at the way they play the music, not their appearance per se.
As for Hide...
- I hate it when people describe him as a genius or elevate him above X Japan. It's as preposterous as it gets, he maybe a talented guitarist but a genius?
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ok i can't resist
its hide not Hide :P
damned write it correctly please
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I never said the songs get worse. The music is as good as it is, but the bigger picture suffers. To me, bands are much more than just music.
To me, they arent. No matter how much they change their looks, I will still enjoy what i'm listening to. I see no "bigger picture". I saw Guns N Roses live last year and the lineup has changed and Axl Rose looked like a homeless bum but it is still the best concert i've ever been to.
About the hitting piano bit it seems that it really bugs you lol.But actually that technique..yes thats right its actually a technique to hit the piano was actually made by a pianist in europe somewhere.It can be used to express emotion.And of course if you've never played piano before and you did it people would say you suck and you don't know what your doing but if you have you can understand.
Then again their will always be people who don't like it.
If thats true, why do piano players say Yoshiki is bashing the piano? I only know one pianist and she's been playing piano for about 20 years and when she saw it, she said he's just hitting it. Technique? I really desperately want someone to explain the "technique" to me because i've watched art of life hundreds of times and all I see is him turning his back to the piano, and pushing down on all the keys that his hand stretches across. I want someone to explain how this technique works and how to do it, because I really want to try and understand how I could learn such a skill.. because if I turn around and push down on a set of keys , i'm clearly doing it wrong.
And yes, it bugs me because I dont understand it. I have eyes and ears and all I can see is Yoshiki pushing down on as many keys as his hand can stretch across and all I hear is exactly the noise it would make if I did the same thing. But Yoshiki is so amazing, he can do it and its great and talented and artistic.. but if I do it, its not. Its just me hitting the piano :?: :?: :?:
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Forgot about this comment in the first place
hide - sorry, lot of times after watching some concerts or random clips I feel like if hide tried to be the leader of the band
How did he do that? Going out on stage and saying 'I'm the leader of this band, do whatever I tell you' or something like that?
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Nope, it wasn't, we have the same saying in German :P Why do you have to compare Yoshiki's solos with somebody else's, Yoshiki is showing his feelings while doing his solos, and another person might show his or hers, but there's no way they have the same feelings for every human being being an individual.
Even if I dont compare it to another drum solo, that doesnt take away the fact that to me, its not a good drum solo. Yes, he's putting all his feelings into it and you can tell that from when he looks like he's passed out over the drum kit.. but putting all his feelings and emotion into it doesnt make it sound any better. All I hear is an average sounding drum solo.
As for hide...if one doesn't like him, he or she could at least respect him for actually being part of their 'favourite band'. They can say as much as they want that there are better guitaists than him, who could've done a better job than he did, but they DIDN'T. hide did, Yoshiki chose hide to be lead guitarist in X and I guess he didn't do that for no reason.
For the record, i've not once said I dont respect hide. I dont really like him but I do respect him.
- I am a bit uncomfortable with the visual part at the start, but I don't really see it now. Instead I look at the way they play the music, not their appearance per se.
As for Hide...
- I hate it when people describe him as a genius or elevate him above X Japan. It's as preposterous as it gets, he maybe a talented guitarist but a genius?
I'm not "uncomfortable" with the look, I just dont like it :P I agree with the hide comment aswell
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Even if I dont compare it to another drum solo, that doesnt take away the fact that to me, its not a good drum solo.
Ah, that's what I was hoping for, finally just saying 'I don't like the solo', which sounds more honest to me than 'there are better, not the best'etc.
For the record, i've not once said I dont respect hide. I dont really like him but I do respect him.
I didn't mean you in particular. However, just because you didn't say' I don't respect him' it doesn't prove anything, because what you said about him did sound disrespectful to me.
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One can play Piano for 50 years and still have no idea about Piano history.There is such a technique of fisting/hitting the piano though...
Show me then. PLEASE! Find me a detailed site containing this so called "technique" because I really want to understand it.
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I never said the songs get worse. The music is as good as it is, but the bigger picture suffers. To me, bands are much more than just music.
To me, they arent. No matter how much they change their looks, I will still enjoy what i'm listening to. I see no "bigger picture". I saw Guns N Roses live last year and the lineup has changed and Axl Rose looked like a homeless bum but it is still the best concert i've ever been to.
There can be more than just looks, the stage show etc. The new Guns N' Roses put on a hell of a show, even though they're not really that special by their looks. I know, I saw them twice last summer, first from the second row and then from the first row, best two nights of my life ;P
Don't you really see the big picture? If you do go to a show, the band is supposed to give you a SHOW, that includes possibly looks, pyros, coreographs, anything that entertains. I at least wouldn't pay 100 bucks for a ticket just to listen to a band, you could as well do that at home, without paying any extra money.
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"anything that entertains"
The music entertains me. Of course i'd find it a bit boring if the band just came on stage, played the songs, didnt move or talk and then went off but I dont really care what they look like. From the concerts i've seen, X Japan put on a great show regardless of what they are wearing. The look is a small, insignificant part of a band. Another Japanese band I really like are B'z. I've only seen a few songs from concerts and pv's, no full shows but they dont need have any particular dress style. They sell out concerts no problems and put on an awesome show. If they changed their looks, that wont change ANYTHING else.
Don't you really see the big picture? If you do go to a show, the band is supposed to give you a SHOW, that includes possibly looks, pyros, coreographs, anything that entertains.
Well, X Japan's look has never "entertained" me. I've always thought that if anything, the look is a negative part of X Japan. I agree with the saying "Dont judge a book by its cover" but thats exactly what billions of people around the world still do. You are more likely to convince someone to listen to X Japan if you showed them a pic from the last live than you would from Blue Blood. Unfortunately, there arent as many open-minded people as you might think.
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"anything that entertains"
The music entertains me. Of course i'd find it a bit boring if the band just came on stage, played the songs, didnt move or talk and then went off but I dont really care what they look like. From the concerts i've seen, X Japan put on a great show regardless of what they are wearing. The look is a small, insignificant part of a band. Another Japanese band I really like are B'z. I've only seen a few songs from concerts and pv's, no full shows but they dont need have any particular dress style. They sell out concerts no problems and put on an awesome show. If they changed their looks, that wont change ANYTHING else.
Don't you really see the big picture? If you do go to a show, the band is supposed to give you a SHOW, that includes possibly looks, pyros, coreographs, anything that entertains.
Well, X Japan's look has never "entertained" me. I've always thought that if anything, the look is a negative part of X Japan. I agree with the saying "Dont judge a book by its cover" but thats exactly what billions of people around the world still do. You are more likely to convince someone to listen to X Japan if you showed them a pic from the last live than you would from Blue Blood. Unfortunately, there arent as many open-minded people as you might think.
Ah but I wasn't just talking about just the looks, I might have accidentally said that, but what I meant was the whole visual side, which the looks are quite a big part of.
And what I understood is that you don't care about the visual side, I can enjoy music too without ever seeing what the band looks like, or if they look bad and just stand at the concert with their legs together and the guitars hanging nearly at their necks, but I wouldn't call myself a fan of them, no way. You don't need to be a fan of everything you like. I need a show, a spectacle, I need people to get shocked by the band. And as for the open minded -thing, shocking looking bands seem to do quite well, I couldn't really imagine KISS getting succesful looking like Lynyrd Skynyrd, or X with bald fat guys, and did you see our dear finnish Lordi winning the eurovision contest?;P Even Beatles was quite shocking at the time, from what I've understood.
And if you still miss the point; I like many many bands, but at the moment I consider myself a fan of just three bands. I don't use the word "fan" just like that, because I wan't the band to be special, or special to me. The band needs to have awesome music, which is the biggest part of course. They also need to stand out, this can be done musically too of course, but I haven't yet heard a band that would hold my interest just by music, I wan't to see the band, I wan't to be like them ;P That's why I watch their concerts, go to their concerts, they give even more than the music, lightshow, pyros, shocking looks, a spectacle, an experience you'll never forget and still remembering it with a tear in your eye when you are rolled in a wheelchair wearing diapers.
Sure you can just enjoy music, but that's nothing like the "Larger Than Life" bands.
X didn't turn bad when they took off the spikey hair etc, just more boring and more "human". Still they always gave an awesome show, and the only thing I really hated was that Taiji was gone ;P
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and the only thing I really hated was that Taiji was gone ;P
Oh, now that is something I can relate to. Tho, now I'm kind of over it and can enjoy X with Heath as well. However, I still think that having Taiji out of X wasn't the smartest move (music wise).
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Well we'll have to agree to disagree. I would call myself a huge fan of X Japan even though I dislike the looks they've had. I'm a music guy, and the music they created is amazing. Looks have nothing to do with how good a band is in my opinion.
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Looks have nothing to do with how good a band is in my opinion.
In a way they add to the authenticity of a band. In their 'wild' years X looked wild.
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In my defence, I have been writing essays for the better part of the last 10 days, so grammar is rather hard-wired at the moment. -_-;
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Looks have nothing to do with how good a band is in my opinion.
In a way they add to the authenticity of a band. In their 'wild' years X looked wild.
Yeah, and basically shocking, which is cool.
And I guess I just like to have the cream on the cake too ;P
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To be honest, I can't think of anything about X Japan that I don't like. o.o Except that I wish that hide was still alive and that the band was still together. But everything about their music/style/etc. is perfect to me. ^_^
About their looks, I like both their regular looks and their visual kei looks.
Their visual kei look is different, original, and interesting, and their natural looks are smexy (and some of the visual kei looks are also smexy). XD
What amazes me most about the piano solo in Art of Life is that I heard it was all improvised. o.o Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the story was that Yoshiki meant to play lots of different versions of the piano solo, and the band liked the first take, so they used it. XD
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Looks have nothing to do with how good a band is in my opinion.
In a way they add to the authenticity of a band. In their 'wild' years X looked wild.
Yeah, and basically shocking, which is cool.
And I guess I just like to have the cream on the cake too ;P
I'm quite happy with just the cake :P
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Hmm...
Things about X that I don't like...
I also didn't much care for the Spikes of Doom. I think they're cool in a way, but I like Yoshiki much better with the wavy/crimped hair.
I don't like their look -as much- after it became tamer and they cut their awesome hair. I'm a huge visual kei fan (granted, it has been argued that X was NOT VK, but regardless of X I love most types of VK) and therefore the extravagant costumes, the makeup, and the feminine appearance all add a sense of excitement to watching the performances. Plus I have always had a weird fascination with androgyny. *shrugs*
Musically speaking, I think the only piece I have ever had a problem with is one of the versions of "Tears" that I heard. It was an older version when Toshi's voice was still rougher, and there were points where I winced because his voice was difficult to listen to. (Please don't misunderstand me - in general, I adore Toshi's voice, and the songs would not sound right sung by anybody else. :D )
Regarding Art of Life... I agree that the piano solo is difficult to bear. It makes one really uncomfortable to hear an instrument so abused. But "technique" aside, I think Yoshiki did this because he WANTED the audience to feel that way. He wanted to make them uncomfortable, make them cringe, even make them angry - that was the entire point of it. And he got his message across very well, in my opinion. Art of Life in all aspects remains my favorite song of all time, as well as performance.
And there's my opinions! Oh my, I apologize for being so long-winded... :oops:
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Regarding Art of Life... I agree that the piano solo is difficult to bear. It makes one really uncomfortable to hear an instrument so abused. But "technique" aside, I think Yoshiki did this because he WANTED the audience to feel that way. He wanted to make them uncomfortable, make them cringe, even make them angry - that was the entire point of it. And he got his message across very well, in my opinion.
If he did it to get that message across then fine. You can call it "art". Until someone provides me with solid, legitimate proof.. I can not accept how bashing on a piano with your forearm and hands is a "technique". Technically and musically, that part of the piano solo is a joke. Artisticly, it could be the work of a genius. I'm not here for art though.
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There are very few things I don't like about X...I love all their looks, from the most outrageous vertical hair and outlandish outfits to the more normal clothing. The wacky hair always makes me smile, lol. I love their sound, as I have a very broad range of music I like, which excludes only rap and country...And their different personalities. Watching interviews on youtube, hide always manages to get someone to laugh.
So, I guess the only thing I don't like about X is Heath...I don't hate him, he's a good musician...but he dosn't have the presence Taiji did...
I'm not to fond of Yoshiki's drum solos either...He's insane on the drums, playing himself to the point of colapse...But, really, it's all unnessicary and kinda pointless
hide's solos on the other hand, always so amusing to watch.
tl;dr, Love almost everything about X
miss Taiji's awesome skillz
Yoshiki's drum solos = wtf? epicly pointless
hide's randomness makes me laugh.
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Aaaah you're posting too quick for me LOL
Well, I wanted to say something else about the Visual Kei thing (sorry, I didn't read everything since I don't have the time to do it! ^^;;
But... like I said before, I wouldn't say X IS Visual Kei, but X had OBVIOUSLY Influence in Creating it
First of all: "Psychedelic Violence X Crime of VISUAL Shock".
I think that slogan helped to create the name "Visual Kei"
Second: The best example is the magazine "ShoXX" - another relation to the X slogan and X as band as well because of the double X, and it is a magazine in priority about Visual Kei bands.
Third: Yoshiki doesn't deny himself that it IS Visual Kei (tho, I don't need to agree to this :P)
Fourth: Many Visual Kei bands who became famous later were produced unter eXtasy Records. And I think that was because the style was in some cases similar to the music of X (I mean, Indies Labels usually produce music of the same genre and don't jump between genres that much)
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But... like I said before, I wouldn't say X IS Visual Kei, but X had OBVIOUSLY Influence in Creating it
As far as I know Visual Kei was created in 1994 by a band called Malice Mizer, well by a man called Mana.
Compare:
- VISUAL KEI (http://www.germanrock.de/zeitung/sonderausgabe_1/bilder/japan/malice_mizer.jpg)
- VISUAL (http://static.last.fm/proposedimages/original/6/1017044/97480.jpg)
First of all: "Psychedelic Violence X Crime of VISUAL Shock".
I think that slogan helped to create the name "Visual Kei"
You're wrong, the logo says "Visual Shock" never Visual Kei, I don't see the "Kei", Visual Shock = Visual, X Japan was Visual not Visual Kei.
Also the logo I think it may be mixture of logos of other bands such as Visual Scandal or Murbas:
(http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/v_1.jpg) (http://www.xradicaldreamers.net/xjapan/v_2.jpg)
(thanks to blues for pics)
Second: The best example is the magazine "ShoXX" - another relation to the X slogan and X as band as well because of the double X, and it is a magazine in priority about Visual Kei bands.
Well, priotiry to Visual Kei bands since mid 90's, before they had priority to Visual bands.
Third: Yoshiki doesn't deny himself that it IS Visual Kei (tho, I don't need to agree to this)
I think it was Mana who said in an interview that if bands don't wear gothic clothes they're not Visual kei.
Fourth: Many Visual Kei bands who became famous later were produced unter eXtasy Records. And I think that was because the style was in some cases similar to the music of X (I mean, Indies Labels usually produce music of the same genre and don't jump between genres that much)
You're talking like if Visual Kei was a genre, it was not a genre and it was not what X Japan and ALL bands produced by Extasy were.(probably Luna Sea a bit)
Visual started in later 70s and died in early 1994.
Visual Kei started in 1994 and remains still nowadays.
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Visual kei (ヴィジュアル系, vijuaru kei?, literally "visual style") refers to a movement in Japanese popular culture characterized by the use of eccentric, sometimes flamboyant looks. This usually involves striking make-up, unusual hair styles and elaborate costumes, often, but not always, coupled with androgyny or distinctively feminine or bishōnen aesthetics.
According to that, I'd say X Japan fit into the VK category, at least in the earlier days.
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As far as I know, X was the pioneer of Visual Kei. Malice Mizer and Mana actually created the gothic lolita style and not VK.
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Well, first, that's from Wikipedia and I know personally the user who wrote it and trust me, he even doesn't know who are X Japan.
Second, for example... here we have (from Wikipedia) some instruments that are used on disco music:
Electric guitar, Bass guitar, Electric piano, Keyboard, Drums, Drum machine,
According to that, I'd say X Japan fit into this genre of music.
And not in their early days, in their early days they were Visual until 1993 when X Japan rare looks and Visual died.
As far as I know, X was the pioneer of Visual Kei. Malice Mizer and Mana actually created the gothic lolita style and not VK.
Pionner? X Japas was not a pionner of Visual kei, and I'd say they even were not pionners of Visual, pionners of Visual? As I have said, Murbas, Visual Scandal, SABER TIGER (yes, hide is one of Visual pionners), Seikima II, Rommel, Dementia, etc. X Japan just put the Visual on the mainstream.
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You're wrong, the logo says "Visual Shock" never Visual Kei, I don't see the "Kei", Visual Shock = Visual, X Japan was Visual not Visual Kei.
I'm not wrong because the "Kei" was used long before for all different kinds of music genre. It is obvious that they would have called it "kei" then as well. So it's no big deal to call it VISUAL Kei. Kei means nothing more but kinda "group".
(okay okay, I know that VK is no music genre - but I just said it that way to simplify it a bit)
And that has nothing to do with Mana's gothic style - that came up after it.
And in this case bands like 44 Magnum, Saber Tiger (not hide's), and Loudness who were there long before Yokosuka Saver Tiger are Visual as well. But due this time, they all look rather like other Hair Metal Bands. You can compare it to Hanoi Rocks, Motley Crue, King Kobra, Poison, and so on as well, and that is DEFINITELY not a japanese thing.
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Check this (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=99763749&blogID=154901241&MyToken=b764f08a-2ab7-4c13-8e5a-4438ab4c57a5)
It explains all I have said, but better.
And you're wrong the Visual word used in the Jpop comes from old bands, not from X, X just put it on the mainstream.
And one thing it's VISUAL and another one VISUAL KEI, ok?
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Check this (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=99763749&blogID=154901241&MyToken=b764f08a-2ab7-4c13-8e5a-4438ab4c57a5)
It explains all I have said, but better.
And you're wrong the Visual word used in the Jpop comes from old bands, not from X, X just put it on the mainstream.
And one thing it's VISUAL and another one VISUAL KEI, ok?
:/ Murbas is the same time like X - sorry, but that's eXactly the time when X were "born" as well
And Visual MAYBE I'm wrong - but I must have made a VERY big mistake, when ShoXX aren't using the X slogan for their name as well ,and that I cannot believe.
An BTW - in Bands Like Rommel and Dementia were X members as well, so you can't seperate things are not X and things are X, because music industry is a really big network and the bands influence each other, and change members and so on, so there are fore sure connections to those bands.
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Well, first, that's from Wikipedia and I know personally the user who wrote it and trust me, he even doesn't know who are X Japan.
Maybe he doesnt know who X Japan are, but he described Visual Kei. And X Japan fit into that description pretty damn well.
Visual kei (literally "visual style")
What does that say? Visual Style. Visual Style, much like most things, has sub-genres.
Lets look at rock music. There can be hundreds of types of rock music. Soft rock, hard rock, heavy rock, mellow rock but at the end of the day, THEY ARE ALL ROCK. If Visual Kei means Visual Style, then X Japan are essentially Visual Kei. They might fall into some other sub-genre of VK but at the end of the day, they are still VK. Gothic is a visual look, therefore that falls under the VK category. The same goes for Gothic-Lolita. Seikima II? VK. Why? Because its still a VISUAL STYLE. It might be a different one to X Japan or Malice Mizer, but its still a VISUAL STYLE.
edit: and that blog post is wrong when it says "Visual and Visual Kei are not the same thing". They are the same thing.
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Just to compare some western and japanese bands of the same time:
Western:
Motley Crue (http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/TaishoMavi/857197930_l.jpg)
King Kobra
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/TaishoMavi/IMAGE3.jpg)
Hanoi Rocks
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/TaishoMavi/hanoirocks3.jpg)
Japanese:
Loudness
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/TaishoMavi/Loudness_old_skool.jpg)
44 Magnum
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/TaishoMavi/65564.gif)
X
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/TaishoMavi/xjapan0106.jpg)
I hope that helps a bit to understand what I mean - their look is really similar. No matter which country.
Oh, and that "Kabuki-Looking" thing - take a look at KISS ;)
Ehm... sorry for the big images o///oV Lock'n Loll
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yeah the style is pretty the same
but the western are ew XDD
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XD That's why I said sorry for the big images... King Kobra isn't bad, but they look... better stop talking about... I think Motley is okay - and Michael Monroe (when he was younger :P) as well [oh, and BTW - Yoshiki had a King Kobra Poster in his apartment when he still was "the greatest man in the world of heavy metal" in Japan :P)
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lol
well
they are still
ugly
ew
ew
ew
XD
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Well, first, that's from Wikipedia and I know personally the user who wrote it and trust me, he even doesn't know who are X Japan.
Maybe he doesnt know who X Japan are, but he described Visual Kei. And X Japan fit into that description pretty damn well.
Visual kei (literally "visual style")
What does that say? Visual Style. Visual Style, much like most things, has sub-genres.
Lets look at rock music. There can be hundreds of types of rock music. Soft rock, hard rock, heavy rock, mellow rock but at the end of the day, THEY ARE ALL ROCK. If Visual Kei means Visual Style, then X Japan are essentially Visual Kei. They might fall into some other sub-genre of VK but at the end of the day, they are still VK. Gothic is a visual look, therefore that falls under the VK category. The same goes for Gothic-Lolita. Seikima II? VK. Why? Because its still a VISUAL STYLE. It might be a different one to X Japan or Malice Mizer, but its still a VISUAL STYLE.
edit: and that blog post is wrong when it says "Visual and Visual Kei are not the same thing". They are the same thing.
Yeah, but you know what? Visual came before Visual Kei, so Visual(X) can't be substyle (not subgenre) of Visual kei.
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Yeah, but you know what? Visual came before Visual Kei, so Visual(X) can't be substyle (not subgenre) of Visual kei.
They are the same thing. They just have 2 different names for it. Visual = Visual Kei & Visual Kei = Visual. Visual Kei is just the more commonly used term.
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Yeah, but you know what? Visual came before Visual Kei, so Visual(X) can't be substyle (not subgenre) of Visual kei.
Why not? The term "Visual Kei" was just invented later.
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yeah the style is pretty the same
but the western are ew XDD
hahaha i think the same...
i dunno why but japanese glam its better (i know japanese glam is visual or visual kei).
she's my cherry pie!!
lol
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about the visual thing - what the f*** are you quarreling about this!? I mean it's no secret that there were metal-kei, punk-kei, rock-kei and so on long long before - it is clear that they call it visual-kei then, tho they could have called it glam-kei in my eyes as well - or hairspray-kei (LOL I should stop here XD)
what is that special "visual" thing in your eyes, darkcat, what you want to tell us? It IS the same - nothing more. May be the origin is then the person who invented the word "visual"...
@xdidierix... dunno if you could call it the same - but it has for sure glam as origin ;)
BTW: are some mods here...? guess, we should split this thread.... <.<;;;; somehow out of topic...
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BizKiTRoAcH
Its clear that you dont understand the piano solo.
Its clear that you dont know that Art Of Life was never meant to be beautiful as in how good or how fast the musician is playing. It was supposed to be beautiful in melodic terms.
Art Of Life is not your everyday music where you can just listen to it once and then judge the music.
While it may not be for everyone, anyone who says that this song lacks talent or appeal is either lying to themselves or completely ignorant of music and the structure of classical composition.
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BizKiTRoAcH
Its clear that you dont understand the piano solo.
Its clear that you dont know that Art Of Life was never meant to be beautiful as in how good or how fast the musician is playing. It was supposed to be beautiful in melodic terms.
Art Of Life is not your everyday music where you can just listen to it once and then judge the music.
While it may not be for everyone, anyone who says that this song lacks talent or appeal is either lying to themselves or completely ignorant of music and the structure of classical composition.
The song as a whole, is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard. The piano solo starts off well but soon turns to crap. I do not need to "understand" the piano solo. Technically and musically speaking, the "bashing" part of the piano solo is a joke. I do not care if he's creating art, releasing his emotions or something else. I enjoy listening to MUSIC. Not art. Maybe from another perspective, that part of the piano solo is beautiful.. but all I see and hear is a guy bashing a piano with his forearm and hands and it does not sound pleasant.
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I enjoy listening to MUSIC. Not art.
Has it EVER came to your mind that music IS art?
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Not at all. Music is entertainment to me, not art. And i'm not entertained by the bashing.
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I mean i can admit when X doesn't do something so good and such but opening a thread and tackling the art of life piano solo is the wrong way about it I think.Imagine if Yoshiki read this thread..he would just be like" :roll: "
This wasnt specifically aimed at the piano solo, that is just one of the things people wanted to talk about. I'm sorry, I love X Japan.. they are my favourite band of all time.. but all I ever see is praise. And dont get me wrong, a lot of the praise is deserved.. but there are way too many fangirls/boys. The kind that if Yoshiki punched a baby, they'd say the baby deserved it and Yoshiki was right. I made this topic to see if there were any fans that dont like certain things about the band. And I thought it would be interesting to see what discussions take place because of certain dislikes.
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Geez, calm down people.
Why are you getting all riled up just because of a small, insignificant detail (3 letters in fact) that is, for a lack of better word, needless in the long run?
You make it sound like people will die if you did not get the right word to label them or something... :wink:
I don't care if X is visual or visual kei, all I care about is the fact that they rock my fuckin' socks off.
And if people happened to ask me what X Japan is, I'd say they are their own genre (Ie. They are just X), visual or not. No description seems to adequately describe the sheer awesomeness that is X Japan, thus I believe they deserve their own genre.
Enough said. :twisted:
Peace.
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Geez, calm down people.
Why are you getting all riled up just because of a small, insignificant detail (3 letters in fact) that is, for a lack of better word, needless in the long run?
You make it sound like people will die if you did not get the right word to label them or something... :wink:
I don't care if X is visual or visual kei, all I care about is the fact that they rock my fuckin' socks off.
And if people happened to ask me what X Japan is, I'd say they are their own genre (Ie. They are just X), visual or not. No description seems to adequately describe the sheer awesomeness that is X Japan, thus I believe they deserve their own genre.
Enough said. :twisted:
Peace.
daaaaamn right!!
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Not at all. Music is entertainment to me, not art. And i'm not entertained by the bashing.
Well I hope you do mean exactly just for you, because even at school music is labeled under Art-subjects ;P
And Kihl, come on, this is what forums are for, some nice friendly arguing and discussing :P
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And Kihl, come on, this is what forums are for, some nice friendly arguing and discussing
True, that is what forums are for. But some people are taking some of the things discussed WAY too personally. :P
I like this forum and I have been to others where things escalated from a flippant comment into outright flame wars. :/
I mean, we can't exactly change people's mind about certain things, we just have to accept that they have a different viewpoint. :)
And as for people bagging X's visual appearance, I thought Yoshiki once mentioned that it was there as a sort of nakayubi to the established bubblegum pop factory that was Japan's musical scene. :P
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I think it's good for people to argue their arguings here and not everywhere else :P
And imo music is not ALWAYS art. I mean, Britney Spears's songs are DEFENEATLEY not art for example, enterntainment (for some) yes, but not art. Most of the modern day 'pop singers/groups' are just singing for money and their songs are just loads of some producer created crap... IMO that is...
But beauty is in the lookers eyes. Can't argue with the taste ;) And thus, there are no wrong opinions in this topic :)
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another Britney example... :roll:
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Not at all. Music is entertainment to me, not art. And i'm not entertained by the bashing.
Well I hope you do mean exactly just for you, because even at school music is labeled under Art-subjects ;P
Thats why I said "to me", not "to everyone" :P
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And Kihl, come on, this is what forums are for, some nice friendly arguing and discussing
True, that is what forums are for. But some people are taking some of the things discussed WAY too personally. :P
I like this forum and I have been to others where things escalated from a flippant comment into outright flame wars. :/
I mean, we can't exactly change people's mind about certain things, we just have to accept that they have a different viewpoint. :)
And as for people bagging X's visual appearance, I thought Yoshiki once mentioned that it was there as a sort of nakayubi to the established bubblegum pop factory that was Japan's musical scene. :P
I havent seen anyone take anything really personally, at least in a negative way, we just won't give up ;P
And Lee, yes I thought so, I was just making sure ;P
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I do not like that, Heath and Pata and Taiji don't get so many attention as those other three..........
I would like knowing more about them and it just don't go.......
That is not fault of them.
Wrong topic, I am not sure.
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I do not like that, Heath and Pata and Taiji don't get so many attention as those other three..........
I would like knowing more about them and it just don't go.......
That is not fault of them.
Wrong topic, I am not sure.
Exactly the right topic ;P And yes, it's a shame much attention hide especially sucks from these truly awesome musicians.
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hmm.. the only thing i didn't like about x japan is how its such a one-man band.
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That is not true. I do not like the VK look but I will still watch the band whether they dress VK, "normal" or naked. I'm not bothered by the look but I dont like it :P
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Coming to think of it... I would prefer band dressing VK than dressing in nature's coats, that said, I do not like VK that much. . . .
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Coming to think of it... I would prefer band dressing VK than dressing in nature's coats, that said, I do not like VK that much. . . .
Somehow I don't care about how it is called - it doesn't matter how the style is called like. Finally, thinking of VK, it isn't something special anymore nowadays, because when I take a look at most vk bands, and fans, I often think they all look the same...
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I don't care if it is visual kei or gothic or whatever either it doesn't have to fit any style or scene I just don't like bands dressed in casual (street) clothes on stage...I think it should be kinda artistic...you know what I mean?
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In germany J-Rock Bands were at "Viva" (music channel like MTV but worse) and in the trashy youth mag "Bravo" (the germans know what I mean) THAT'S strange I think
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Yeah, Bravo still exists and I think it's quite popular or maybe even more popular (maybe because of the Tokio Hotel hype)
About the memories...I think nearly everyone has them...me too :oops:
that's really scary
About the contents...I don't know if they still have that columns and I am NOT going to check that! :twisted: but I'm pretty sure they are as awful as they always were.
I only know that they wrote about D'espairsRay and Dir en Grey I guess (maybe some other Bands too)
Maybe I can find the articles in the net
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eXe;;; Uhmph? Bravo?? WTF.. xD LOLOLOLOLOL HAHA!!!!
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Bravo exists. Multilingually. Here they have it too. Nat said it is still the same crap as it was some years ago, so maybe it goes with no change.
.......... if hiring groups of that kind, count me in :twisted:
To topic, I want to know how to get more info with what happens to other Xers than those two. Maybe time to re-learn Japanese...... Other internet, no choice. Magazines with jrock are not sold here.
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Speaking of commercializing J-Rock/VisKei, Hot Topic - I'm sure you all know that store - sells a magazine called "Cure" that's devoted to it, similar to Shoxx. I've heard they also sell Shoxx but haven't seen it myself. :cry: It kinda makes me sad to see it in such a cliché, mall-goth store...
Edit: Oh yeah, Hot Topic also sells the American releases of Dir en Grey's cds (I bought Withering to Death there, actually - the Japanese version was twice as much, I had no choice :cry: )
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On the topic of Yoshiki's piano solo. The first time I listened to it I thought it was a shit stain on a masterpiece. I went back and listened to it again when I was in a depressed mood and it really touched me emotionally, and from then on I've loved it. I can't give you a reason why it's good but it just speaks to me emotionally in a much more profound way than I could ever do banging on a keyboard. I remember when I gave it to a friend to listen to she said "He's just banging on the keys, but it's so pretty! what the fuck?" I wouldn't expect everyone to enjoy it, but it seems it just has an impact on certain people.
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On the topic of Yoshiki's piano solo. The first time I listened to it I thought it was a shit stain on a masterpiece. I went back and listened to it again when I was in a depressed mood and it really touched me emotionally, and from then on I've loved it. I can't give you a reason why it's good but it just speaks to me emotionally in a much more profound way than I could ever do banging on a keyboard. I remember when I gave it to a friend to listen to she said "He's just banging on the keys, but it's so pretty! what the fuck?" I wouldn't expect everyone to enjoy it, but it seems it just has an impact on certain people.
If you understand the feelings, you get into the mood, and then you love it! :P
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On the topic of Yoshiki's piano solo. The first time I listened to it I thought it was a shit stain on a masterpiece. I went back and listened to it again when I was in a depressed mood and it really touched me emotionally, and from then on I've loved it. I can't give you a reason why it's good but it just speaks to me emotionally in a much more profound way than I could ever do banging on a keyboard. I remember when I gave it to a friend to listen to she said "He's just banging on the keys, but it's so pretty! what the fuck?" I wouldn't expect everyone to enjoy it, but it seems it just has an impact on certain people.
I totally understand you! I don't think a song has to be perfect or something, it could be totally unprofessional, as long as it touches you. I think it is a matter of atmosphere and melody. It can touch you emotionally even so it is simple and technically undemanding. Sometimes the simple things have a deeper impact (if you understand, what I mean)
For example: Trent Reznor (NIN) in my opinion creates unique atmospheres but he partly does it by not using the instruments but abusing them and it's awesome (I think)!
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Think you've got something very important included, people: Atmosphere makes a lot. Atmosphere is what makes different between random moments.
What is ShoXX about?
Get more on line with topic> I would like to know how different songs speak differently to people. It is strange to sense there is mystery line between person and a song. I do not think we are all fans of X for the same reasons. But we al are fans of X. Thus there must be something of X that speaks to each one differently, something in music that speaks differently.
Some language I don't see. Hear it. Feel.
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Its weird how people here either dont like X visual looks, or thats the only part of the band they really even care about.
To me, metal music is more than JUST the music.....the music is obviously the most important part, but also, the way the band looks, their stage presence, showmanship...etc.... are also equally as important. Its a whole attitude that kind of comes together. I dont want to pay a lot of money to see 5 normal looking guys in normal clothes stand there motionless and play. Id rather see some Blue Blood era X concert than 5 guys with normal haircuts and dress clothes on playing speed/power metal....
The visual kei thing is hard to describe....the X "look" for one was NOT started by X.....EVERY freakin metal band in the 80s in Japan looked like that.....X, Saver Tiger, Rosenfeld, Rommel, AION, Sabbrabells, Crowley.....they all looked the same as metal bands from the USA and most other countires at that time (although some of the Japanese bands had a way more extreme style)........which is why I hate it when people like X, but say some American metal band, who have the EXACT same visual style, are "ew" or "gross"........you might as well just come out and say "i only like X because they are japanese". Its the same as people that think X's music is so great, but don't like other western bands, who sound very similar to X.
Thats the downside of listening to visual japanese bands......a LOT of their foreign (especially american) audience ONLY like them because they are "from japan"
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they all looked the same as metal bands from the USA and most other countires at that time (although some of the Japanese bands had a way more extreme style)........which is why I hate it when people like X, but say some American metal band, who have the EXACT same visual style, are "ew" or "gross"........you might as well just come out and say "i only like X because they are japanese". Its the same as people that think X's music is so great, but don't like other western bands, who sound very similar to X.
Thats the downside of listening to visual japanese bands......a LOT of their foreign (especially american) audience ONLY like them because they are "from japan"
So very true. If memory serves me right, I was bombed to ashes when I was criticizing some things about Japan on this forum.
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To me, metal music is more than JUST the music.....the music is obviously the most important part, but also, the way the band looks, their stage presence, showmanship...etc.... are also equally as important. Its a whole attitude that kind of comes together.
I agree with all of that except for the look. While the most important factor to me is music, I wouldnt enjoy it as much live if they were standing there, not moving or doing anything. X always put on a great show from day 1, regardless of what look they had. As long as the band has stage presence, good showmanship and the music is great, they could walk on naked or dressed like transvestites and i'm still going to enjoy the show.
Thats the downside of listening to visual japanese bands......a LOT of their foreign (especially american) audience ONLY like them because they are "from japan"
I couldnt have said it better myself!
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Is it so? I can't help myself with scepticism over that, well quite frankly, I don't think Jrock or asian rock over all has that many fans in the American music culture, let alone that would be fans of it just 'because of Japan'.... or is Japan so trendy country around now?
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Is it so? I can't help myself with scepticism over that, well quite frankly, I don't think Jrock or asian rock over all has that many fans in the American music culture, let alone that would be fans of it just 'because of Japan'.... or is Japan so trendy country around now?
Japan is extremely "trendy" in Scandinavia, Germany and USA at least. There's tons of people with all these illusions about how awesome exotic Japan is. I've honestly run into a lot of people who are absolutely mad about it. Where do you live anyway?
Slighty off-topic;
I'm going there five days from now, and my friend will introduce me to some of her Japanese friends. We're gonna have barbeques, "alcohol buffets", karaoke and all that kind of stuff. Now let's see if they are as awesome as people think - _o
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Yes, Japan is very "cool" to a lot of people for various reasons. Anime is probably the biggest one though.. but also due to some of the "unique" (I use that term loosely) things like Visual Kei, Gothic Lolita and various other fashions/looks.
The thing that makes me laugh but also annoys me a little is that a good 50% or more of these people wont give a shit about Japan in a few years time. Its just like a phase they go through and it is usually (but not always) people under 20 with the "OMG JAPAN IS SO AWESOME I HAVE TO GO ITS MY LIFE DREAM!!!" attitude. They are often misled into believing Japan is "awesome" like you see in manga's and anime's. They fail to realise that Japan is like every other country and has just as many flaws and problems as any other country. They probably think they'll land at an airport in Japan and all these Japanese people will run up to them and be nice to them and treat them like royalty.. when in fact, they'll just be another person within the millions.
In the past, i've refered to these people as "Japanophiles" as they seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Japan and they'll praise things, no matter how awful, just because they are Japanese. I used to be a regular visitor to the NeoMag.co.uk (http://www.NeoMag.co.uk) forums but there were too many Japanophiles there and anytime I commented negatively on a band or movie from Japan, I had loads of crazy weirdo's attacking me over it.
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Yes, Japan is very "cool" to a lot of people for various reasons. Anime is probably the biggest one though.. but also due to some of the "unique" (I use that term loosely) things like Visual Kei, Gothic Lolita and various other fashions/looks.
The thing that makes me laugh but also annoys me a little is that a good 50% or more of these people wont give a shit about Japan in a few years time. Its just like a phase they go through and it is usually (but not always) people under 20 with the "OMG JAPAN IS SO AWESOME I HAVE TO GO ITS MY LIFE DREAM!!!" attitude. They are often misled into believing Japan is "awesome" like you see in manga's and anime's. They fail to realise that Japan is like every other country and has just as many flaws and problems as any other country. They probably think they'll land at an airport in Japan and all these Japanese people will run up to them and be nice to them and treat them like royalty.. when in fact, they'll just be another person within the millions.
In the past, i've refered to these people as "Japanophiles" as they seem to have an unhealthy obsession with Japan and they'll praise things, no matter how awful, just because they are Japanese. I used to be a regular visitor to the NeoMag.co.uk (http://www.NeoMag.co.uk) forums but there were too many Japanophiles there and anytime I commented negatively on a band or movie from Japan, I had loads of crazy weirdo's attacking me over it.
True words... I think it's like a walk on a blade... first they love it, and then many of them lose their interest and they in some years give a shit on it.
Honestly - Japan nowadays became somehow part of my life, and I know that there's not everything like cloud nine - and I anyways got much sympathy for Japan.
But that doesn't mean that I love everything (Hello Kitty, ge'away!! :P).
Oh and actually it makes me really pissed off when I watch the behavior of crowds of J-rock fans, or Anime-fans or whatever (somehow I've mainly seen it by fans who focussed in some way on Japan) who can't stop screaming because they only SEE their idols somewhere (and I've gone through that with only a picture of them... HELLO? calm down!)
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So, with all that said: I DON'T LIKE when people categorize music as J-Rock. X-Japan is rock. Dir en grey is rock. Miyavi isn't J-bluesrockhiphopfunkwhatever. The only thing in they have in common is nationality of the band members.
I partially agree with this. If someone says "who are X Japan?", i'll say "A Japanese Rock band" but if they ask me what music they play, I wont say "J-Rock", i'll say a mixture of rock, metal, classical etc.
People who use Visual Kei as a genre annoy me. Visual Kei is a LOOK and not a musical genre. It is mostly rock-based music (I think the "Kei" means rock) but i've seen people refer to bands like Blood Stain Child as Visual Kei when i'm pretty sure they are Metal (or if you want to be picky, Visual Metal (Visual Mei? :P))
but yeah
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The word 'Kei' only means something like 'group'. :P
Doesn't there also exist words like 'metal kei', gothic kei', and so on? (i didn't use the correct romaji since I want to clarify which words I actually mean :?)
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One meaning is system, but this one would be type or style.
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That makes my argument even more valid then :D :P
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One meaning is system, but this one would be type or style.
I'd think rather of 'stem' which would imply 'group' - a circle to which a person belongs to at least. :P
@Bizkitroach: Yepp, it does definitely :)
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I'd think rather of 'stem' which would imply 'group' - a circle to which a person belongs to at least.
Well, 'group' definitely is one of the meanings, at least according to Nelson Dictionary (usually last instance, at least for me).
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Yes there is. They are both Japanese. That is the connection. I know a lot of people are open-minded but if S.K.I.N. just performed at some "normal" concert hall that holds thousands of people, it would not have sold as well as it did at AX. Think of it from an "outsiders" point of view. They walk past the concert hall and see a poster saying "S.K.I.N. Performing here next week!".. they think "oh? *keeps walking*" with a few people who think "oh? that could be interesting. I'll go".
However if you advertise it at an event based around Japanese entertainment, there will be a LOT more publicity. You have to remember that a lot of the fans who saw S.K.I.N. might be fans of the members solo stuff but there will be the "curious" fans who have never heard of the members before and want to see what they are like. You are more likely to find the "curious" fans at a Japanese-related expo than a standard concert hall.
blah. i hope that makes sense. its 2.30am and i'm tired :!:
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You are most certainly correct mister.
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I personally like the J, because J-Rock has a very different feel from other music(to me at least). I have lots of music from all over the world and usually I can't tell the difference between american, german, french, or whatever except sometimes from the vocals. But when I have my ipod on shuffle and a J-Rock song comes up, it's pretty obvious it's japanese even before I heard the vocals.
I dunno enough music theory to explain why but theres a very different feel to J-Rock. I know part of it is it always seems that japanese artists don't mind experimenting with their music as much, but theres more than that.
For me it's a lot harder to label japanese music with sub-genres because theres so much of a different feel to it. So I like being able to just call it J-Rock and not have to worry about sub-genres.
I will agree though that it's not really a good genre name, since it doesn't apply to all japanese music and I'm sure there are some bands outside of japan that have similar types of music. But unfortunately genre names are always terrible, and there are so many poorly-named genres and fake genres made up by fans that cause bands to get mis-labled or be labled poorly. I think the current genre system we have is shit for the most part and think it's in need of some big changes.
Not gonna happen though, oh well.
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Yeah I think that was a really dumb idea for S.K.I.N. to play at an anime convention. Over here in America anime fans are in a minority and severely looked down upon. A lot of people won't touch a band that gets associated with anime, regardless of how the music sounds. All plans to "conquer the west" will fail miserably if all they do is cater to anime fans.
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I watch anime... And that's what got me to jrock and jpop. And I still watch/listen both... :P
Tho yea... Anime convention... Not that good...
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Think of it from a business point of view and not a fans point of view. Playing at the anime convention = more money, more tickets sold for the convention and more "popularity" than simply playing at a standard non-Japanese-related concert hall.
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It makes sense in the short term, but unless their idea of "conquering the west" is gackt fans + miyavi fans + sugizo fans + yoshiki fans(Which will overlap for a lot of people), they aren't going to get the popularity they want at an anime convention. The more they do stuff like that, the more they get labled as an anime band instead of a japanese band.
I think they need to do what Dir En Grey did and go on tour with american bands. Sure they won't be the center of attention, and probably not that many people will have come to see them, but if their music is solid and people like it, they will want to hear them again, and they will get more popular.
Before Dir En Grey played Family Values, none of my friends had heard of them. Afterwords, every time I mention listening to J-Rock to someone the response was always "Hey have you heard of Dir En Grey?"
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Actually I think with the 4 magic names combined, they can sell out pretty much every bigger concert venue in USA. They'll get enough advertising from JRR, S.K.I.N.-online and every other bigger Japanese music community.
...IMO :P
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your opinion is wrong Hypno. WRONG. :P
If they really want to "conquer the west", Yoshiki needs to stop with all these fucking projects and RELEASE A CD. If they dont get a CD released, I really cant see them conquering anything other than anime conventions and similar places like that. If they can at least get a CD out, even if its only a small 6-song EP or something, then that can be passed onto reviewers for magazines and websites and that will help in getting some recognition.
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Hypno, there's not a chance in the world that they can sell out the bigger venues in the US right now (and I doubt they ever will). The actual number of bands/artists who can is very low.
I agree with the ninja that they'd have to tour with American bands (with SKIN being the opening act after releasing their first CD), but personally, I bet they're way too proud for that. Bands/artists that are crazily big in Japan never tour any other part of the world than their own because they won't draw any bigger audience, but if it's a European band who draw massive amounts of people in Europe, they don't stop touring USA no matter how few people show up. The attitude is like "We'll show up as long as people want to hear us perform". I've seen a slight change in some Japanese bands' attitude recently though.
An European example would be Vader, which are very big in Poland. They've even played on a festival there in front of a hundred thousand people, but when they toured around other parts of Europe they only played venues in front of about 500 people, I'm happy to see that fighting spirit in such a band (although their genre usually don't attract much people at all). Either way, I would be really happy to see such a spirit from Yoshiki/SKIN.
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Another thing is, if they tour with an american band, I can see certain things not being as popular with "regular" music fans as they would be wtih the fanboys/fangirls. Yoshiki's piano bashing for example, will NOT have everyone in the venue screaming wildly. If I went to a concert and I'd never heard of the support band and they started bashing on a piano or drumkit or whatever, I wouldnt enjoy it. I dont even like it when Yoshiki does it :? oh, and the "fanservice" of Gackt touching himself or playing with Miyavi.. again, that will only appeal to the fangirls there and a few fanboys. Regular music fans will not be interested in that because they are there to hear the music.
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oh, and the "fanservice" of Gackt touching himself or playing with Miyavi.. again, that will only appeal to the fangirls there and a few fanboys. Regular music fans will not be interested in that because they are there to hear the music.
May be mean but... did anyone listen to the music due that S.K.I.N. concert...? ¬.¬
To me it mainly seemed as if for most people in the audience it would have been enough when they would have lined up on the stage and would have done nothing at all but being there so that the audience had a chance to adore them and drool...
I don't mean everyone there was like that but that was the main impression I got from the clips I've seen till now.
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That is definately true. Most clips are full of girls screaming "I LOVE YOU!!" and stupid crap like that.
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I blame Miyavi.
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Right, Miyavi is the only member guilty of fan service. Cause Gackt would never stoop to that level and do something like dry hump one of his guitarists during a concert. :roll:
*coughhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWUvCjsyR3Icough*
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I blame Gackt more than Miyavi, but I still blame Miyavi.
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The hell? If there's someone to blame it's those pathetic, brainless fangirls who'd even go crazy if they saw MYV/Gackt/Yoshiki/Sugizo shave their armpits.
I've wanted to write that some time ago but now it fits even better: The thing I don't like about X/S.K.I.N. or any other band I like are dumbass fans.
I found the audience e.g. at the Last Live hard to bear, 60% of those people only came to scream "YOSHIKI! AAAAAH!" "hide! I LOVE YOU!*sob*".
IMO, those "fans" make it really hard for people who really like the music/the band as a whole.
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I think it's okay to scream up to a certain level. But when the band performs their songs, they should shut up and listen to them, since I think it's very respectless otherwise. And to the fanservice: The did what most people there wanted to see, huh?
@NinjaGeek: *falls over laughing* *rofllll* LOLOLOL that clip saved my day!
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I think it's okay to scream up to a certain level. But when the band performs their songs, they should shut up and listen to them, since I think it's very respectless otherwise.
I don't mind screaming that much either (I screamed, too, at the Peppers concert) but hyperventilating all the time...you know what I mean, what the little girlies do when they see Tokio Hotel :P
But if you know the band's songs, the greatest thing is to sing along :D
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Right, Miyavi is the only member guilty of fan service. Cause Gackt would never stoop to that level and do something like dry hump one of his guitarists during a concert. :roll:
*coughhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWUvCjsyR3Icough*
WHAT THE FECK! HE'S RAPING HIS BAND MEMBERS!
ferret: If the members didnt do things like that, the fangirls wouldnt be as crazy as they are.. but yes, they are equally to blame. I have a lot of things I want to bitch about in regards to the fans but i'll save that for another day
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ferret: If the members didnt do things like that, the fangirls wouldnt be as crazy as they are..
I don't know, if you watch something like Last Live, where you see Yoshiki exhausted on the floor (ok, he's topless, but hell, it's way too hot on stage), and those morons just scream on as if there was no tomorrow...
Or take a hide concert: One movement with the hand, and half of the fangirls fell in a coma.
Fanservice ain't called fanservice for nothing, and I find it entertaining sometimes (less is more) but to go to a concert, JUST to see Gackt molest someone, that's pathetic.
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I don't mind screaming that much either (I screamed, too, at the Peppers concert) but hyperventilating all the time...you know what I mean, what the little girlies do when they see Tokio Hotel :P
But if you know the band's songs, the greatest thing is to sing along :D
Yeap, that's what I mean... and Tokio Hotel... GE'AWAY!!!! (do they do fanservice? I don't think so, but their fans go crazy and really do hyperventilate only by seeing them, and I think there was no difference due the SKIN concert *coughes* I'm scared...)
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Yeah, when I was at JRock revolution festival, I was bewildered by the ignorance around me. Loads of people were just there to cosplay and most of them had only heard of Miyavi, and others were only there because they were Japanese and hadn't heard any bands at all before (I had all 9 of them on my ipod before I even knew about the concert).
Then what was worse was when they were playing X Japan videos in between bands, I heard the people behind me say "Didn't their singer die or something?" and their friend said "No it was their drummer." It really ticked me off that they thought Yoshiki was dead when he was the only reason they were able to go to such a huge Japanese concert.
Thats why they need to expand their fan-base beyond the anime fans. Because even if they can draw a big crowd, a lot of the people there will know very little about their music and are just there to see them.
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Yeah, when I was at JRock revolution festival, I was bewildered by the ignorance around me. Loads of people were just there to cosplay and most of them had only heard of Miyavi, and others were only there because they were Japanese and hadn't heard any bands at all before (I had all 9 of them on my ipod before I even knew about the concert).
Then what was worse was when they were playing X Japan videos in between bands, I heard the people behind me say "Didn't their singer die or something?" and their friend said "No it was their drummer." It really ticked me off that they thought Yoshiki was dead when he was the only reason they were able to go to such a huge Japanese concert.
Thats why they need to expand their fan-base beyond the anime fans. Because even if they can draw a big crowd, a lot of the people there will know very little about their music and are just there to see them.
e.e, ouch.. some people should do their homework before they go to such a festival... that hurts...
However, but such a festival is actually something I wouldn't go to... It drives me nuts thinking about that it possibly is the only chance to see Yoshiki in concert... but... ah! I just DON'T listen to the other bands there.... that's not the music I like. x.x
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Then what was worse was when they were playing X Japan videos in between bands, I heard the people behind me say "Didn't their singer die or something?" and their friend said "No it was their drummer." It really ticked me off that they thought Yoshiki was dead when he was the only reason they were able to go to such a huge Japanese concert.
Well, such ignorance is unforgivable for sure... but still better than one of my friends, whom I consider very well informed on Japanese culture, traditional or contemporary (he's majoring in Japanese Studies, same class as I). He said: "But how can they (X-Japan) perform again? Ain't most of them dead?" :x
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Holy shit...people, please tell me you slapped those ignorant *******.
If people don't knowanything about a subject, why don't they just stfu :)
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Okay... don't wanna interrupt a chat here, but I gotta reply to the main topic, hehe.
What I don't like on X(Japan) - where should I start it?
Since they are musicians, I'd start with the music and afterwards mention the rest.
Albums/recordings:
Hate me for that, but I can't stand most of the ballads! I won't deny that I first liked them, since the arrangements aren't bad at all - no doubt in that points. But I just prefer rock music in general and the more I listened to the ballads the less I liked them. :roll:
I mostly listen to music to cheer me up, but this doesn't mean that I dislike ballads in general. For instance I love November Rain from G'n'R or Only Women Bleed from Alice Cooper. But these are somehow different in my ears... somehow not THAT dramatic. If I didn't knew the background of the X ballads I'd just say they're too much overacted. IF! With knowing what they mean especially to Yoshiki and with knowing that these songs were somehow therapy for him I cannot say that it's overacted, but that I simply don't like this special style Yoshiki created in these ballads.
The only exception for me is Voiceless Screaming - for me a ballad like November Rain or Only Women Bleed. Simply like that song!
And I rarely listen to the Album Dahlia. It's not only the fact that Taiji isn't there anymore, but much more the arrangements and the ballance between ballads and rocking songs. Apart from this: The few rock songs on Dahlia to me simply sound sytheticly and somehow lifeless.
Lives:
Some parts of the lives to me seem often a little bit too overacted and theatrical. There I mean again especially Yoshiki's style.
Also the way he plays the drums is in my opinion somehow a little bit too straight and... well... maybe the translation is wrong now - statically.
I have no problems when there's used much double bass drum, but there are soooooo many possiblities to emphasize and make sophisticated styles with rhythm. In my opinion it would sound more interesting, if there are used some technical skills, but not only this timingproof and straight style (also sometimes a little bit liveless - I DON'T mean the apperance, but only the sound now!). For instance here: Eric Carr from KISS had a style I really like - especially in his solos.
What I also don't like that much is, that hide was in my opinion too often somehow in the center of interest. Especially after Taiji left it seemed to me somehow not really ballanced anymore. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but it's simply my impression. And often I think hide is anyways overvalued. :? Don't wanna say, that he was a bad musician - never! But he's not the god for me, like some people say about him.
Appearance:
Sunglasses suck, if they're worn TOO often! :evil: It's anyways the business of the one who wears them, but in my opinion they really can disturb! 8) :P
The general apperance from X(Japan) never really disturbed me. Though I like the appearance of the older days more - especially the style between Blue Blood and Jealousy was in my opinion pretty cool!
That they changed then... I dunno - somehow I can understand that, but somehow I missed the older style then. At least the rocker style I missed then.
Last but not least - Fans:
I don't like fans, who say their idols are perfect/gods/the best artists ever! It's because I see a HUGE difference between saying an own opinion and claiming facts. At least they should say "He is my god"/"The best band I've ever heard" then. In that point I'm really small-minded and I think all depends on taste. In my opinion there doesn't exist a BEST.
And what I also don't like is screaming like hell, because one of their idols moved one finger. I'm glad that I never was at a concert which turned out like the SKIN-gig! I think it's just unfair to not LISTEN and to make the rest of the audience also unable to listen. Fuckin' hell, when I'm a concert I wanna hear and look, but not cry and yell like an insane baby puppy.
And really bugging for me are many hide fans. Sorry for that and maybe I have some enemies from now on, but: hide was ALSO only a human being! The fans have to accept, that he's dead now and will never come back. They can keep him in mind and whatever, but I'm really sure, that some fans are only that extremely fans because he died. For me it's simply the usual James Dean/Jim Morrison/Elvis Presley/Kurt Cobain and so on phenomenon. Of course all these guys were talented, but there are also LIVING talented musicians who should be respected at least the same way.
:oops: Sorry for that really long entry.
*coughes* Should I mention, that X isn't my favorite band, but ONE of my favorite bands? I never can choose a favorite one - as I said before: For me there doesn't exist a BEST! :P
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Oooooh, nice post, very much stuff to agree with...and to disagree with :P
Somehow I never came to say it but I have to agree on the ballads: I don't like most of them (and I don't count Voiceless Screaming as a ballad here). There are actually two main reasons why I don't like them: Firstly the lyrics. I've never been that "emo"-type, if you know what I mean. Those lyrics never touched me. I believe that they mean much to Yoshiki but to me they don't, simply for the fact that I can't relate to "cheesy" writing.
Secondly: The combination drums+piano. I know, they're like Yoshiki's fave instruments to play on but I've always thought this was a horrible combination of music because it's almost always used the same way: long, repeating drum rythm and chords on the piano. It sounds awful, it really does, and I can't see why so many artists would go for that combination. Seperately, I love those instruments, but used THAT way together, I dunno, it's just cheap and repetitive.
BUT, there is actually one song where I think Yoshiki found a way to combine them nicely: Unfinished (the Vanishing Vision version). The drum has still a slow rythm but he's not playing chords anymore but you literally hear him slide over the piano, and it sounds beautiful.
I'd say that I never listen to Forever Love (the "original version", I adore the acoustic one), hardly ever to Say Anything and Tears, rather often to Crucify My Love (no drums, wohee, just piano and Toshi) and Endless Rain (really nice singing, bass and guitar).
On Yoshiki's live drumming, I dunno, I like it, and I think he's an incredible drummer. IMO his weakness might be slow songs, where he ALWAYS uses the same rythm, but that I blame on not having groove :P I've always thought Yoshiki, Toshi, Taiji, Pata & hide was the best combination, because Taiiji seemed to be the only one to have that groove. Maybe it's because he wasn't a "metaller" from the beginning, anyway. To me it seemed like he's always been that hard rock guy with a slight tendency to funk, and that was good for the band.
So this is how I see it: Yoshiki playing fast and hard is mindblowing, him playing slow isn't.
I have to agree that after Taiji was gone hide would do more on stage, but not necessarily. I've seen live's where he's just standing and playing his parts, looking rather bored and only moving his head sometimes. And I was shocked when I first saw the Film Gigs '93. Both Heath and hide seemed to be overacting way too much. hide was entertaining, tho, and Heath was just trying to be Taiji. Why? Did somebody tell him to do that, was it his own idea? It's awful to see Heath in this one, it really is.
Totally agreed on the sunglasses, weird. Like when they were recording Dahlia and they were still wearing them in the studio, although there was hardly any light.
For me it's simply the usual James Dean/Jim Morrison/Elvis Presley/Kurt Cobain and so on phenomenon.
Now that is something that annoys me. Are you fan of any of theirs or have you at least listened to their stuff or seen it? These people were hyped BEFORE their death, otherwise there would never have been that legend status. James Brown died some time ago, I don't see suicidal fans anywhere, tho. And that man was big, like a living legend already, the godfather of soul. But he's nowhere more hyped dead as he was when he was alive.
And that is the point, those who you listed, as well as Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, Brandon Lee, Bruce Lee, they were all loved very much by their fans (and the media) and dying so young and so talented, of course that's a shock. But nowadays people seem to forget that, they only remember their deaths and not what they achieved in their lives. It's sad that most "music lovers" nowadays remember Jimi Hendrix as the guy who died on his own vomit, and not as the guy who made the guitar what it really is today, a solo instrument.
And so today hide is the guy with the pink hair who hung himself on a doorknob (or didn't) and not the musician, who entertained masses and made people happy (or angry, or sad) with his music, and that's really a shame, because it's many hide fans, non-fans and haters who think so.
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For me it's simply the usual James Dean/Jim Morrison/Elvis Presley/Kurt Cobain and so on phenomenon.
Now that is something that annoys me. Are you fan of any of theirs or have you at least listened to their stuff or seen it? These people were hyped BEFORE their death, otherwise there would never have been that legend status.
Yes I listened to their stuff/watched it - otherwise I'd never mentioned them. I was Nirvana fan before Cobain died for instance. And after he blew his head away I could see how the number of fans increased exponentially.
I don't say that the hype is completly shit, it's just the extreme way what bugs me. I don't meant that all these people weren't superstars before and only became it after they died - naturally not.
But especially fans who get to know the work of an artist only after his/her death in my opinion wouldn't be that heavy interested, if the person was still alive. Of course not all of them, that's clear.
And James Brown.. well - he got old. Tadaaa~ - no extremely hyped legend. Even Johnny Cash! One of the most famous country artists. Of course there was a movie and all this stuff, but somehow I have the feeling that his CDs aren't that much more sold as before and there came not that much more new fans. All those stars who died much older never had a hype after death which was that extreme in my opinion.
As soon as artists commit suicide or have an accident or whatever dramatic cause of death in the younger years there are suddenly twice (or even more) as much fans as before their death.
Well, I never said it's a fact... it's just my opinion, because to me it seems like this.
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Hm... talking about that there comes just a situation related to X in my mind.
When I go to the comic store here, they also sell JRock stuff, and one of the guys in that store has at least heared about X - well, only a little, but everytime when I go there to order some X stuff, he asks me sth about 'the guy who hang himself' - and makes a gesture like having a rope around his neck (or better a towel... <.<)
Or another situation - at a convetion. A guy has seen that I'm a fan of X, and suddenly started a rant about, that hide's death was suicide. Actually I give a shit on whether it was suicide or not - that doesn't matter to me, but seeing that X, and hide, are everytime when it comes to a talk with people who have at least heared a little about X reducing it to hide's death that simply sucks... and it hurts...!
And you know what sucks now?... we don't discuss about a different topic.
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Yes, THAT also bugs me!
People who don't know much about X and speak about them as if they had only one member: "the towel guy". :roll:
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As soon as artists commit suicide or have an accident or whatever dramatic cause of death in the younger years there are suddenly twice (or even more) as much fans as before their death.
How can you tell? From what I remember Cobain had a huge, and I mean HUGE, fanbase before his death (as did Nirvana), and I remeber an outcry of fans around the world the day he died. I became Nirvana fan after his death as well, but not because I thought "hey, wow, that dude killed himself, now that's interesting" but for the simple fact that I liked the music. And for what I know that is how most Nirvana fans become/became Nirvana fans.
As I said, many people, no, too many people only reduce artists and whole bands even (e.g.X) to the death of a bandmember because they've probably never cared to listen to X's music.
as if they had only one member: "the towel guy".
Lucky as I am, I must admit that I've never met such narrow minded people (and I've even been to a hide forum, to adress that "hide fans don't know shit/don't give a shit about X"-stereotype). However I'm not saying that there aren't people like that, but it seems like I have to dig deeper to fin them :lol:
There's also the argument that X only needs Yoshiki and Toshi to be X and that the others are replacable by some decent musicians, and I don't agree with that at all. It DOES matter who is in the band, and for me my favourite combination was
Yoshiki
Toshi
Pata
Taiji
hide
Why? Because they worked. (yeah well, before Taiji was gone). You really saw it on stage and you heard it on the CDs, that band was AWESOME.
It's called chemistry and a connection between a group of artists. You can't have that connenction with anyone, and that's the point. If X would reunite with Yoshiki, Toshi and any other guys (Sugi, Gackt, Jun, insert whoever you like), I honestly wouldn't give a shit, because just these two guy, they're not x for me. However the fact that X would reunite with Heath and Pata, now that's something different. Even tho I've never seen Heath as much of a replacement for Taiji, but just as a "new bassist", I'm ok with him being in X since he's a rather decent musician. But Heath could never replace Taiji, after Taiji left, and Heath came, for me, the dynamic was gone and X became awkward on stage (and no, I don't blame Heath).
So, yeah, I admit it, reunited X with Yoshiki, Toshi, Heath, Pata and person(s) Y, IMO, will never be as great as
Yoshiki
Toshi
Pata
Taiji
hide
BUT, I'm curious to see the first three with Heath play some X songs with some other guitarist, but it will be X playing X songs, and not X being X, that awesome, dynamic band I fell in love with a long time ago.
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As soon as artists commit suicide or have an accident or whatever dramatic cause of death in the younger years there are suddenly twice (or even more) as much fans as before their death.
How can you tell? From what I remember Cobain had a huge, and I mean HUGE, fanbase before his death (as did Nirvana), and I remeber an outcry of fans around the world the day he died. I became Nirvana fan after his death as well, but not because I thought "hey, wow, that dude killed himself, now that's interesting" but for the simple fact that I liked the music. And for what I know that is how most Nirvana fans become/became Nirvana fans.
Are you reading, what I'm writing? I don't want a fight, but that seems to me, like you only pic out one sentence out of the whole statement and ignore the expression of the rest.
I never said, that there were no(or only few) fans before. :P
And I say so, because it was simply my own impression. Once more: I don't claim that it's fact. It's simply my own view and nothing else.
I have no numbers of fans before and after the death of certain artists, so it can be that I'm wrong and I won't deny this then. :wink:
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I don't want a fight, but you wrote
And after he blew his head away I could see how the number of fans increased exponentially.
and I wanted to know
How can you tell?
I mean, you have a different opinion than me, that's ok, but you'd make it easier for me to understand if you explained why you had this impression. And yes, I DO read everything in your post, and I certainly do understand most of it :P
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I mean, you have a different opinion than me, that's ok, but you'd make it easier for me to understand if you explained why you had this impression. And yes, I DO read everything in your post, and I certainly do understand most of it :P
Okay, then I got you wrong. But 'how' isn't 'why' for me, sorry. :P :wink:
Why I have this impression is pretty simple.
For instance in my neighbourhood and in my school - suddenly "every"(that's overacted :P) youngster was Nirvana fan and saw Cobain as somekind of hero (and I never saw people as heroes who had a lifestyle like Kurt, sorry). Maybe it was coincidence then, I don't know. But from that day on there was suddenly a bunch of people in my class who wanted to know more about them from me (and I asked them, why they don't read the articles and watch MTV then, since I was anyways bugged about the topic).
I mean... I had the feeling, that they became fan then because everybody was talkin about. Maybe they liked the music before, but were not fans (I also like lots of music, but am not really fanatic about most) and this was just the point, where they decided to become fans. And my impression is just, that this happens often in cases like this.
I don't know.
But I guess most of this maybe is caused by newspapers and so on. Some do really overact with the way they report and can cause somehow a kind of hysteria. They do this (as it seems to me) with pleasure especially with famous idols like the ones I mentioned.
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i hate hypocrites....
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How have I not posted on this thread before??
I don't like how there's no sex or violence in the Dahlia album.
And I know I sound like a freak for putting it like that, but you know what I mean and I bet a lot of you feel the same. :P How did we get from "Love Violence Sexy Scandal" to "dry your tears with love", huh?
But for some reason I'm also not a huge fan of the cover of Vanishing Vision. I know that's hypocritical but deal with it. I fucking LOVE that album, I like the aggression and the crazy lyrics, but that painting's kinda nasty. I respect it as piece of shock art though, which I know is the whole point.
I hate when people listen only to the ballads and then say that the band is so calm and peaceful and "healing" or whatever. I dunno, I'll Kill You is not what I'd call a "healing" song... (and even during the Dahlia time they were not THAT calm and peaceful!).
I don't at all like the notion that (as ferret said in an earlier post) Yoshiki and Toshi are the only ones who count and everyone else is entirely replacable. Yoshiki and Toshi are the founders, sure, and Yoshiki's the leader, but-- even aside of band chemistry and all that-- the other members have always been credited as full members of the band. This is not "X consists of Yoshiki and Toshi" (that's a reference to "B'z consists of Tak Matsumoto and Kohshi Inaba", which appeared on all the older B'z albums, because they were the only non-support members of the band).
And I agree with the others here who are sick of the hide over-mourning. Great albums, very very cool musician, real shame he's not around anymore, but 24/7 nonstop weepy emo hide mourning is not my idea of a cool hobby. And quit it with the angel wings. That's tasteless even by MY low standards.
Also on the topic of hide and angel wings: people, Seth et Holth was not about "beautiful angels" or whatever some clueless person wrote on Wikipedia. It was about Egyptian mythology and eyeball licking.
I don't like Toshi's vocoder distortion thing (on songs like Dahlia, IV, etc.). His voice rocks, why distort it?
I'm sick of fans who worship Yoshiki and/or hide like they're gods. And yeah, it's always Yoshiki and hide. Though if there's some blog somewhere for people who believe Pata is the second coming of Jesus (well, what about the hair?)... I want to see it! 8)
...And given time I'm sure I'll be adding to this list. :P
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But for some reason I'm also not a huge fan of the cover of Vanishing Vision. I know that's hypocritical but deal with it. I fucking LOVE that album, I like the aggression and the crazy lyrics, but that painting's kinda nasty. I respect it as piece of shock art though, which I know is the whole point.
The artwork for VV is what made me decide that was gonna be the first X album to listen to... 8)
I was always an 80's Thrash Metal fan, so my brain learned to associate low quality artwork with high quality music... Even though that makes no sense... :twisted:
I hate hide's outfits after 1993...
I hate I.V....
I hate the lame piano solo for Art Of Life (at least the second half of it)...
I hate Hikaru, who was bassist on X before Taiji... I don't know why... I just do...
That's about it... :twisted:
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I hate when people listen only to the ballads and then say that the band is so calm and peaceful and "healing" or whatever. P
:shock: I've never heard anyone say that.
And I think it's good that Dahlia has no sex and violence. I think it was a really natural transformation from Jealousy to Art of Life and then to Dahlia, resulting in a mature band, which is sort of inevitable when the members get mature too ;P Some bands do this change to maturity quite awfully, but X did it great. You can really hear Yoshiki growing as a composer. But for the topic:
I hate Wriggle.
I hate Joker.
I hate Easy Fight Rambling.
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I hate Wriggle.
Second that...
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It was about Egyptian mythology and eyeball licking.
You, my friend, win the internet.
And I agree with most of what you say.
People who always come up with the word genius when it comes to Yoshiki are annoying as hale. Yes, he's a very good composer, and yeah, I believe he is quite a good drummer but people he's repetitive and his lyrics are as cheesy as they can get (but thank god most of X's songs are in Japanese). Always the same themes. And I cannot understand how so many people can relate to that epic love/pain stuff, but maybe I'm not romantic enough or whatever.
Actually, about the genius thing...I don't think it's accurate for hide, either. But it peeves me that Yoshiki seems to get a pass with it more often because his music is more epic sounding.
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I don't like hide's yellow guitar with the hearts!
And I hate those shades! Everytime they wear these fuckin' shades! Nowadays especially Yoshiki, Toshi and Taiji! Grrr! Yes, it might look cool here and there, but it's bugging like hell when I watch an interview and cannot see the eyes of the speaking person. >_<;; Arrrgh!!! It's just not cool then!
Oh, and I don't like the sound when Yoshiki whistle-moans or whatever that is in some songs. *runs and hides*
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And I hate those shades! Everytime they wear these fuckin' shades! Nowadays especially Yoshiki, Toshi and Taiji! Grrr! Yes, it might look cool here and there, but it's bugging like hell when I watch an interview and cannot see the eyes of the speaking person. >_<;; Arrrgh!!! It's just not cool then!
You just know this is the song they wake up to every damn morning
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXw4qqQqTrY[/youtube]
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OMG! What is this guy doing with his lips while singing?! XDDD Ouch!
Guy: ^3^ I wear my sunglasses at night blablabla
Hm, but cool video nevertheless. XD
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Actually, about the genius thing...I don't think it's accurate for hide, either. But it peeves me that Yoshiki seems to get a pass with it more often because his music is more epic sounding.
Not every piece of music has to be amazing or revolutional, even from a genius. I'm not saying he's the new Bach or anything, but I don't really think stuff like Art Of Life can come from just "a very good composer". Yes, his lyrics use all same themes, but I wouldn't even want to hear anything else from Yoshiki. It suits him perfectly, Yoshiki is an epic romantic and he creates the music of X. And I don't know why anyone would even listen to X if they hate stuff like that or can't relate to it, I guess they'd be much better off listening CCR o something similiar singing about ridin' on a highway, old Bessy-Lou drinking whiskey every night. X is epic as hell, X is larger than life, you can hear the larger than life -feelings even through the music, without any words.
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but I don't really think stuff like Art Of Life can come from just "a very good composer"
Why not? I don't consider Art Of Life the ultimate musical masterpiece, neither in terms of lenght nor musical components.
Yes, his lyrics use all same themes, but I wouldn't even want to hear anything else from Yoshiki.
You see, I would. I'd love him to experiment, to find new ways to express himself and not just in a very dramatic way.
and he creates the music of X.
That's what I don't agree about at all. He writes most of the music, but it's still X-Japan who create it, who bring it to life.
And I don't know why anyone would even listen to X if they hate stuff like that or can't relate to it
Because it's not only Yoshiki who writes X's songs? Or maybe because I like the aggressive sound of old X?
X is epic as hell, X is larger than life, you can hear the larger than life -feelings even through the music, without any words.
The problem is, when there's too much epic, it can easily become a cliché .
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Why not? I don't consider Art Of Life the ultimate musical masterpiece, neither in terms of lenght nor musical components.
Then I must ask, what do you consider a masterpiece?
That's what I don't agree about at all. He writes most of the music, but it's still X-Japan who create it, who bring it to life.
This doesn't really change what I said, X Japan playing and recording the songs doesn't really make Yoshiki any less the creator of the music.
Because it's not only Yoshiki who writes X's songs? Or maybe because I like the aggressive sound of old X?
And the Yoshiki -epicness isn't there in Vanishing Love, Week End, Blue Blood, Kurenai, Silent Jealousy, Rose Of Pain etc. ? I do think it is very strongly there. Of course if you listen to just the hide-songs or Taiji-songs + I'll Kill You, this was pointless to say ;P
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There are a actually many songs I consider masterpieces (and Art Of Life is among them), but there's nothing like THE masterpiece to me.
We must agree to disagree on the second point then.
Of course the epicness is there, I didn't say say I didn't like the epic aspect, because I do (I merely said that I didn't like the fact that Yoshiki is called a genius for the epicness). But when it comes to ballads, it's just too much.
I listen to almost every X song (except for 97% of the ballads, I never ever listen to Forever Love unless it's the acoustic version), I can't deny I have my preferences.
I know people will always discuss with me about Yoshiki because I don't see him the way most X fans see him. I don't worship him, he's not the father, the son, and the holy ghost of music in one and he's my least favourite member of X since the first time I've seen a live X vid.
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I know people will always discuss with me about Yoshiki because I don't see him the way most X fans see him. I don't worship him, he's not the father, the son, and the holy ghost of music in one and he's my least favourite member of X since the first time I've seen a live X vid.
Of course, I don't worship him either, and I don't like everything he has done, but I do consider him one of my idols and he is a very fascinating person. He might not be really a genius, but he is certainly IMO above the "very good songwriter". I hope your slight negativity for Yoshiki isn't just a reaction of not liking the Yoshiki-fans, like it seems to be the case sometimes with hide-haters ;P
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Oh, not really, hide and Yoshiki fanatics are equally annoying :wink:
I don't really like Yoshiki's attitude and the way he does things, but I like most of the thing he does (-lyrics).
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Oh, not really, hide and Yoshiki fanatics are equally annoying :wink:
:shock:
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I think the thing that bothers me about VV's cover is that they're messing with her boobs. I mean, if they just HAVE to show a bloody X cut into a woman, I'd at least rather it's on her back or something. Boobs are beautiful, man... be kind to boobs! :(
And I really don't mind sunglasses. I actually wear sunglasses at night, but being Italian, I have an excuse for it at least. 8)
(Hahaha, what's this about Yoshiki's whistle-moaning? What song is that in?)
It was about Egyptian mythology and eyeball licking.
You, my friend, win the internet.
Why thank you. :twisted:
About the Yoshiki genius thing, I agree with you on some points but disagree on others. Frankly I'm not musically "educated" enough to even know whether he's the best composer ever or something, but I don't bother with stuff like that anyway-- I don't know if he's the greatest, but I know what I like. So for me personally, I wouldn't mind calling him a "genius" in the sense that he wrote a lot of my favorite songs (and of course I consider those songs to be works of genius, or they wouldn't be my favorites ;)). But is he a god? Hell no! Do I love everything he's ever done and every choice he's ever made with X? Hell no! For me he's just a really interesting guy who writes really kickass songs. Though I personally will rarely listen to his ballads by choice. They're beautiful songs and all that, but I don't much listen to "beautiful songs", I prefer rock.
And I LOVE his epic high drama thing! Absolutely, it's completely over-the-top to the point that it at times borders on camp-- but that's why I love it. It's like Shakespeare meets Meat Loaf. It's like Yoshiki was consciously trying to reach the absolute highest level of drama humanly possible, and I personally see his whole public persona as a kind of performance art. The princess costumes, the banging on the piano keys, the multiorgasmic death-sex drum solos... to me that's all part of it. And while there are times I can't help but laugh about some of his English lyrics, the weirdest part of it all is that, for me at least, when you hear those songs-- they work. I really do find them somehow transcendental. You hear that stuff performed and it's like an apocalyptic, balls-to-the-wall celebration of pain, death, sex, love-- and ultimately, of life.
And that's why I don't like the absence of sex and violence in Dahlia. I guess it's more mature, but it's so much less alive. For me X was about the extremes of life and they don't reach nearly those highs and lows in Dahlia.
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And I LOVE his epic high drama thing! Absolutely, it's completely over-the-top to the point that it at times borders on camp-- but that's why I love it. It's like Shakespeare meets Meat Loaf. It's like Yoshiki was consciously trying to reach the absolute highest level of drama humanly possible, and I personally see his whole public persona as a kind of performance art. The princess costumes, the banging on the piano keys, the multiorgasmic death-sex drum solos... to me that's all part of it. And while there are times I can't help but laugh about some of his English lyrics, the weirdest part of it all is that, for me at least, when you hear those songs-- they work. I really do find them somehow transcendental. You hear that stuff performed and it's like an apocalyptic, balls-to-the-wall celebration of pain, death, sex, love-- and ultimately, of life.
And that's why I don't like the absence of sex and violence in Dahlia. I guess it's more mature, but it's so much less alive. For me X was about the extremes of life and they don't reach nearly those highs and lows in Dahlia.
Ah well, if you put it like that, I guess you're right :D Really well said.
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Talking of Yoshiki... well.. I think it's hard to describe... that's why I made that 'shocked'-smiley to ferret's comment xD
I'd say it would be a lie when I would say I'm not a 'Yoshiki fanatic'... however if I want it or not... in some way I am.
To me he is no god... I don't care whether he's a musical genius or not - I'm no musical scientist or something anyway. To me it's just the way he is. I don't think he's a perfect person. All that would rather frighten me away than being attracting to me. That is, I rather care for the feeling he expresses, both, with his music and with his character. It's some kind of magic which he has. I'd say I 'understand' somehow the music he makes and that is what is precious to me. (or maybe i got it totally wrong, but I don't anyone to destroy that picture unless Yoshiki tells me personally that I'm wrong :P). He can also be a nutcase sometimes - but well, that is something that makes him being human and I rather laugh about such situations but being angry about it and then again there are also things he does I totally dislike (okay, okay, one smile of him and that's forgiven anyway :? - he's a brat, right?)
So far about the annoying Yoshiki-fanatics... thanX for reading :lol:
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Ah well, if you put it like that, I guess you're right :D Really well said.
Thanks! But I don't need to be right or wrong ;), after all, it could be that you see something in Dahlia which I haven't found yet.
Oh yeah, and to add to my list of what I don't like: fangirls at the SKIN concert screaming for "Yo-SHEECKY". :P
(But most of them were screaming for Gackt and Miyavi anyway.)
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I don't like that they never recorded Stop Bloody Rain for a full length. That sure is one killer track! And that they haven't played Vanishing Love since 1992 (if my memory serves me correctly, that is).
I don't like that Pata didn't record more solo albums like Pata and Raised On Rock, those two records definitely beat the crap out of anything the other guys recorded as solo albums, ESPECIALLY hide's solo stuff, which I hate with a passion.
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I don't like that Pata didn't record more solo albums like Pata and Raised On Rock.
Completely agree with that... Those albums are really great stuff... In my opinion far better than any hide solo album... And yet people praise hide as a genious and completely forget about Pata... That's something else I hate...
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And yet people praise hide as a genious and completely forget about Pata... That's something else I hate...
Oh yeah, people ignoring Pata is a peeve of mine too. Or assuming hide was a "better" guitarist, etc. (Personally I don't care who's "better", I like them both.)
I do like hide's solo stuff however, especially back when it was really creepy and weird (Hide Your Face, etc.).
And I don't like fangirls complaining about Pata's chest hair.
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And I don't like fangirls complaining about Pata's chest hair.
RIGHT!!! :shock:
And I don't like, that there are more compilations than studio albums. :twisted:
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Oh yeah, people ignoring Pata is a peeve of mine too. Or assuming hide was a "better" guitarist, etc. (Personally I don't care who's "better", I like them both.)
Then you can ask: what makes a better guitarist? I'd take Tony Iommi over Steve Vai any day, though almost everyone will say that Vai is the better guitarist. That said, all of them are amateurs compared to Alan Jones (Pagan Altar guitarist), haha!
Pata's records are awesome. Those albums sound like the stuff I grew up with, hehe.
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I hate Love replica
I hate miscast no conection
I hate watch some PV (mostly from dalia album)
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I'd take Tony Iommi over Steve Vai any day, though almost everyone will say that Vai is the better guitarist.
I take Joe Satriani over Steve Vai :lol:
And about Pata, I think it depends - I know many X fans who also take Pata over hide's skills. I think hide's skills are more to make a show out of everything, but Pata - that's pure guitar skills.
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Pata's solo works ROX MY GRANNY SOX! :D
And Ra:IN is just pure awesomeness in my opinion :D
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I'd take Tony Iommi over Steve Vai any day, though almost everyone will say that Vai is the better guitarist.
I take Joe Satriani over Steve Vai :lol:
And about Pata, I think it depends - I know many X fans who also take Pata over hide's skills. I think hide's skills are more to make a show out of everything, but Pata - that's pure guitar skills.
And I'd take Zakk Wylde over all the ones you guys just mentioned... :twisted:
I think exactly that you said Maverick... In my opinion Pata is a more skilled guitarist than hide was... hide was a great showman...
And yeah, Ra:IN is amazing... And that Pata's P.A.F. group was just as great... But nothing beats Pata's solo albuns...
And just so my post don't become off-topic, I hate the fact that Jun never released an official album with X...
And I hate the tranparent guitar Pata uses on 1900.02.04...
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And I don't like fangirls complaining about Pata's chest hair.
Pata has chest hair? I never knew XD.
Things that annoy me about X-Japan:
- fans who over-idolize hide. I love the guy too, I like a lot of his solo work and personally I'm a huge fan of his visual style, no matter what era. I even love his attention-whoring XD. But there's a limit to how godlike he can be.
- the ballads. SO MUCH DRAMA. I don't mind when they have overdramatic sequences in songs like Week End, I even love it in them. But in most of the ballads it's just more than I can bear. What annoys me most is the sheer number of them on Dahlia.
- I hated Seth and Holth, and I also HATE Yoshiki's nearly-naked pictures. I'm a girl, I like looking at hot guys, I've been known to fangirl now and then but those pictures FREAK ME OUT.
- And yeah, Pata-ignoring is AWFUL. It's hard to give him as much attention as a lot of the other members though (as in, during lives), he's just not as showy XD.
(edited a typo out =p)
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Skooter, I like you! :twisted:
Uhm, okay... I don't complain about some nude pictures and Seth et Holth, but the rest of it: second that!
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Having just stumbling across it on youtube (again), I must say I really REALLY hate the Film Gig from 1993.
Fakest thing X-Japan have ever done, it's so effing painful to watch. Toshi is probably the only good thing about that "concert".
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X-Japan Rock my world okay?
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I don't like
... people claiming Toshi is some kind of singer god - because he isn't. xD
... people ignoring Pata ;.;
About X itself I dislike
... Love Replica
... some live performances. Mostly the vocals. XD
I like the older ballads more than the new ones ... I don't dislike Forever Love, Tears, Longing, ... but imo they are ... I don't think "boring" or "standard" would fit here xD;; I don't really know how to express. I don't listen to them very often. I'm happy when Tears is played live, but usually I don't listen to it.
And I HATE White Poem I. I could take my PC and throw it out of my window, listening to this ......... thing.
(But I don't listen to it anymore, so ... alright xD)
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Aah I love Love Replica (I was seriously thinking of playing that in my wedding as the opening waltz... but I dunno if I'll ever get married xD ) and White Poem is awesome too :P
Sorry for the offtopic,
About the band, I don't like... The 10 year disbandment period :P
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And I hate the tranparent guitar Pata uses on 1900.02.04...
Pata is over a hundred years old? :wink:
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How have I not posted on this thread before??
I don't like how there's no sex or violence in the Dahlia album.
And I know I sound like a freak for putting it like that, but you know what I mean and I bet a lot of you feel the same. :P How did we get from "Love Violence Sexy Scandal" to "dry your tears with love", huh?
But for some reason I'm also not a huge fan of the cover of Vanishing Vision. I know that's hypocritical but deal with it. I fucking LOVE that album, I like the aggression and the crazy lyrics, but that painting's kinda nasty. I respect it as piece of shock art though, which I know is the whole point.
I hate when people listen only to the ballads and then say that the band is so calm and peaceful and "healing" or whatever. I dunno, I'll Kill You is not what I'd call a "healing" song... (and even during the Dahlia time they were not THAT calm and peaceful!).
I don't at all like the notion that (as ferret said in an earlier post) Yoshiki and Toshi are the only ones who count and everyone else is entirely replacable. Yoshiki and Toshi are the founders, sure, and Yoshiki's the leader, but-- even aside of band chemistry and all that-- the other members have always been credited as full members of the band. This is not "X consists of Yoshiki and Toshi" (that's a reference to "B'z consists of Tak Matsumoto and Kohshi Inaba", which appeared on all the older B'z albums, because they were the only non-support members of the band).
And I agree with the others here who are sick of the hide over-mourning. Great albums, very very cool musician, real shame he's not around anymore, but 24/7 nonstop weepy emo hide mourning is not my idea of a cool hobby. And quit it with the angel wings. That's tasteless even by MY low standards.
Also on the topic of hide and angel wings: people, Seth et Holth was not about "beautiful angels" or whatever some clueless person wrote on Wikipedia. It was about Egyptian mythology and eyeball licking.
I don't like Toshi's vocoder distortion thing (on songs like Dahlia, IV, etc.). His voice rocks, why distort it?
I'm sick of fans who worship Yoshiki and/or hide like they're gods. And yeah, it's always Yoshiki and hide. Though if there's some blog somewhere for people who believe Pata is the second coming of Jesus (well, what about the hair?)... I want to see it! 8)
...And given time I'm sure I'll be adding to this list. :P
And I agree with everything you say here. If I could press a button and every single fucking one of those angel wings pics vanished, I would with no regrets.
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I don't like the racial prejudice that the band (and other bands that are of non english speaking backgrounds) recieves from stupid, ignorant shitheads...
I also don't like the fact that many "fans" only like the band (and other Japanese bands, L'arc, Dir en grey etc) for that reason. That they are Japanese. Music is the universal language, it shouldn't matter if they are from Japan, Cuba, Iceland or wherever...
The things i don't like about the band... The compilations issue annoys me a bit... And i wish Yoshiki didn't cut his hair... But apart from that, nothing really :P
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Yeah! I agree on the racist point! Racism sucks - no matter in which direction!
Oh and I don't care really much, but I'd also like to see Yoshiki with long hair again, ahaha! :D
Oh, and I don't like that I'm jealous about his charisma! That guy is a witch! Want that, too! (I don't mean, that I want to look like him, it's just about the charisma... :roll:)
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Aah I love Love Replica (I was seriously thinking of playing that in my wedding as the opening waltz...
wanna marry me?
Oh there's so much I dislike about X! But the worst are for me fangirls and anti-fangirls/boys
Both suck just as hard. Go die.
Stop caring only for looks when it comes to a fucking band and stop hating for liking the looks for the bandmembers too
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But the worst are for me fangirls and anti-fangirls/boys
Both suck just as hard. Go die.
Stop caring only for looks when it comes to a fucking band...
exactly! that sux big time!
And
- ppl who hate this band because of their looks as well!
- ppl who judge this band based on 1 or 3 clips in youtube, most debated, the drum solo.
- fangirls or boys that get over fanatic who say 'X Japan shouldn't reunite without hide'
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Yay! Nice post, Babak! I think I agree on all points and I totally hope that I didn't act like you described it in your list, hahaha! :lol:
I can only guess about things anyway...
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If I could press a button and every single fucking one of those angel wings pics vanished, I would with no regrets.
Oh yeah, me too. Same goes for the halos. :P
And...
I also don't like the fact that many "fans" only like the band (and other Japanese bands, L'arc, Dir en grey etc) for that reason. That they are Japanese. Music is the universal language, it shouldn't matter if they are from Japan, Cuba, Iceland or wherever...
Totally agree with this!
And I agree with everything Babak said, especially:
- ...act as if they know any members of the group. No you don't know them even if you have seen every single available clip of them. You just don't.
- ...put words in the mouth of the members. None of us knows what a member wants or doesn't want unless they said it to us.
Hell yes. Well said!
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I get frustrated that they are so difficult to google. There's fansite after fansite that keep repeating themselves or copying each other's basic and often misleading or starry-eyed texts, so to get real information is not easy.
I'm a huge fan of the visual and somewhat psychedelic aspect of X Japan and wouldn't mind knowing more about who designed the clothes and how the lighting was done and where they generally got their ideas from, and what else those people surrounding X have done since, that could be worth checking out.
So, for me, to see them is part of the whole impression as much as to listen to them. I know others differ, but I experience their performance as a complete work of art rather than just music, so every toss of hide's weird hair, every leather-squeaking leaning forward of Toshi to get that voice into high pitch and etc is an important part of it.
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I'm a huge fan of the visual and somewhat psychedelic aspect of X Japan and wouldn't mind knowing more about who designed the clothes and how the lighting was done and where they generally got their ideas from, and what else those people surrounding X have done since, that could be worth checking out.
That will be hard.
For X Japan's stage performances (all stage design and lighting design), hmm.. you need to be able to understand Japanese at least.. check the names out from DVD booklets and get some info about them (who mostly are Japanese and info about them surely 98% are in Jap lingo). You know, people behind the scene are the least credited, thus difficult to get to know more about them.
So, for me, to see them is part of the whole impression as much as to listen to them. I know others differ, but I experience their performance as a complete work of art rather than just music, so every toss of hide's weird hair, every leather-squeaking leaning forward of Toshi to get that voice into high pitch and etc is an important part of it.
Very much agree with you.
...And I know Im going off topic.. :roll: XD
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I dislike:
-Love Replica, it just doesnt work for me.
-Drain, to industrial for my taste
-people who keep bitching about Toshi's personal life, there is a reason why its called PERSONAL.
-people who ignore Pata, Pata RULES!
-the people who scream the members name TO hard during concerts
-People who keep complaining about Taiji leaving the band, it happend, get over it already!
etc.
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-People who keep complaining about Taiji leaving the band, it happend, get over it already!
I hate that Taiji had to leave the band. I'll NEVER get over it :cry:
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I dislike
- Drain, not my type of song
- Less attention to Pata
- This thread, too much negative.
Other than that, none. =3
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-People who keep complaining about Taiji leaving the band, it happend, get over it already!
Heheh, I'll make you a deal. When the day comes that X Japan without Taiji rocks even half as hard as X with Taiji, THEN I'll stop complaining about Yoshiki kicking him out of the band. 8)
Agreed about Toshi and Pata though.
I get frustrated that they are so difficult to google. There's fansite after fansite that keep repeating themselves or copying each other's basic and often misleading or starry-eyed texts, so to get real information is not easy.
Man, so true. So many stupid memes, bad translations, etc. get passed around the net just because people basically don't know any better or don't have/don't bother looking at/can't read the original information sources.
I'm a huge fan of the visual and somewhat psychedelic aspect of X Japan and wouldn't mind knowing more about who designed the clothes and how the lighting was done and where they generally got their ideas from, and what else those people surrounding X have done since, that could be worth checking out.
Like jigokugal said, check out the credits in the CDs and videos-- most of the credits themselves are in English, which is sort of a blessing and a curse. Easier to read for non-Japanese-speakers, but on the other hand, you don't get to see the kanji for people's names, which makes searching for them in Japanese pretty tough (unless they usually write their names in romaji).
That said, Screaming Mad George did some of the on-stage and props and stuff for their concerts, especially what you see in the On the Verge of Destruction video. He also worked on the Jealousy CD booklet. He's an interesting guy, and does lots of freaky horror-type special effects makeup, creatures, etc., for movies and commercials and such. He's a musician too, and has had a few different bands, one of which was on the Extasy label.
Also, some interesting trivia: according to X no Sei to Shi (Taiji's autobiography), Taiji not only designed but also personally constructed most of the costumes from X's indies era, and also at that time came to be in charge of X's hair and makeup. He specifically mentions coming up with the idea for Toshi's standing hairstyle and Pata's mohawk.
(Yeah, I know, I was surprised too.)
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What I dislike about X:
-TOO MANY GODDAMN COMPILATIONS OF THE SAME. Dammit Yoshiki, if you wanna release compis then grab something old and do it, new material PLEASE, and this takes me to the next point:
-Yoshiki ignoring the past aligns of the band, Taiji, Jun, Hikaru, etc., when releasing compilations (except for Rose & Blood). If someone gave him numbers about how much he could earn releasing that shit, I think he'll do it to fill (MORE) his pockets.
-Trance X, holy SHIT that's gotta be the worst thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
-Yoshiki's drum solos, too much drama.
-That they spend 20 minutes playing Orgasm. Good, fool around, throw stuff, but with 10 minutes it's ENOUGH, I think that after Yoshiki's drum solo dramas, that bores me the most.
-Yoshiki delaying Violet UK for almost a decade.
-Heath's late outfits, omfg those feathers are EVIL.
-Love Replica ruined by that crappy French poem, that's why I like SAVER TIGER's Session C better.
What I don't like about X fans:
-X are not Visual KEI nor the fathers of it, get over it.
-Fangirls/boys. I don't have to explain.
-Idolizing Yoshiki, hide or whatever. THEY ARE NOT GODS, and yes, there can be people of any other country or from the same one that can be as good as or better than them.
-Thinking that hide was waaaaaaaaaAAAAaAaAay better than Pata. FALSE.
-"We want our old Tosheeh backz! Masaya u ev1l brainwushah." And what about Toshi wants? at the end it's pointless because we won't be able to know 100% of the truth.
-People ignoring indies and calling it shit. Hey, fuck White Poem I, Endless Dream and Right Now were better songs.
If anyone gets offended by what I say, I'm sorry, but I'm not directing my post to anyone, it's just my point of view.
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-X are not Visual KEI nor the fathers of it, get over it.
well I guess the interview i posted makes this wrong. Sadly. I hate saying they are the fathers of visual kei or something.
And well Visual Kei is just a commercial thing trying to find a discription of what these japanese bands connect and X Japan are the biggest example of it...
I don't really want to discuss visual kei but people just stop complaining about it
ok my point:
I dislike
- fans complaining about X Japan being called Visual Kei / the fathers of visual kei
:wink:
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I don't like complaining about the same topic over and over again.
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well I guess the interview i posted makes this wrong. Sadly. I hate saying they are the fathers of visual kei or something.
And well Visual Kei is just a commercial thing trying to find a discription of what these japanese bands connect and X Japan are the biggest example of it...
I don't really want to discuss visual kei but people just stop complaining about it
ok my point:
I dislike
- fans complaining about X Japan being called Visual Kei / the fathers of visual kei
:wink:
Did you read my disclaimer? I'm not gonna repost the same thing I posted on your magazine thread over again, if you wanna take what I say personally, do it, but you're the one grabbing the finger to point it to yourself, I'M not the one making it personal.
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well I guess the interview i posted makes this wrong. Sadly. I hate saying they are the fathers of visual kei or something.
And well Visual Kei is just a commercial thing trying to find a discription of what these japanese bands connect and X Japan are the biggest example of it...
I don't really want to discuss visual kei but people just stop complaining about it
ok my point:
I dislike
- fans complaining about X Japan being called Visual Kei / the fathers of visual kei
:wink:
Did you read my disclaimer? I'm not gonna repost the same thing I posted on your magazine thread over again, if you wanna take what I say personally, do it, but you're the one grabbing the finger to point it to yourself, I'M not the one making it personal.
What? Personal? Did I miss something?
@ Matthias That's basically what i mean. X fans going on again and again about jrock and visual kei and how X japan is SO not part of it just gets on my nerves
Get over it people and just accept it
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What I dislike about X:
-Trance X, holy SHIT that's gotta be the worst thing I've ever heard in my entire life.
holy SHIT how could I forget THAT? D=
I HATE THAT!!
and I would like to add that I dislike... Toshi's healing songs.
I don't HATE them, but they are just not my type.
And I didn't say I want him to stop singing them.
They are just not my type.
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-People who keep complaining about Taiji leaving the band, it happend, get over it already!
I hate that Taiji had to leave the band. I'll NEVER get over it :cry:
yeah, I dont like it either, but I cant stand the people who keep bitching to Taiji himself that he should re-join X Japan.
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yeah, I dont like it either, but I cant stand the people who keep bitching to Taiji himself that he should re-join X Japan.
Now THAT I agree with 100%.
I'm starting to not like even the "it would be so cool if he re-joined X Japan" stuff, even when it's not directed towards Taiji himself.
He's not going back, these people need to get over it. He blogged about his visit to the hide summit and did not so much as mention X Japan nor any of its living members. That should be a clue.
And while, yeah, it's his life and he can do what he wants, honestly I would be a little disappointed in him if he went back to X Japan. Because frankly I don't think it would be cool, I think it would be mean he has lost all pride and has completely given up on himself, his principles, and his individuality as a musician.
So there. :P
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yeah, I dont like it either, but I cant stand the people who keep bitching to Taiji himself that he should re-join X Japan.
Now THAT I agree with 100%.
I'm starting to not like even the "it would be so cool if he re-joined X Japan" stuff, even when it's not directed towards Taiji himself.
He's not going back, these people need to get over it. He blogged about his visit to the hide summit and did not so much as mention X Japan nor any of its living members. That should be a clue.
And while, yeah, it's his life and he can do what he wants, honestly I would be a little disappointed in him if he went back to X Japan. Because frankly I don't think it would be cool, I think it would be mean he has lost all pride and has completely given up on himself, his principles, and his individuality as a musician.
So there. :P
COMPLETELY agree with you 8)
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That will be hard. For X Japan's stage performances (all stage design and lighting design), hmm...
That said, Screaming Mad George did some of the on-stage and props and stuff...
Thanks, guys! Now I have way more to go buy when searching.
And interesting that Taiji worked on early various designs!
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What I dislike about X:
-TOO MANY GODDAMN COMPILATIONS OF THE SAME. Dammit Yoshiki, if you wanna release compis then grab something old and do it, new material PLEASE
Usually it's the record labels who put out all the compilations, especially if the artist no longer releases new stuff, so they have get money some way.
And what's wrong about idolizing? I think of Yoshiki as one of my idols, yet I can name people who I think are as good as him, or even better. Idolizing and thinking that someone is a god is definitely not the same thing.
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I like Trance X :D Though I don't like trance... Or that kind of music (except some house & cafe del mar stuff)... :P
And I don't like ppl complaining about X re-releasing stuff all the time... If you don't like it, don't buy it :P
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And I don't like ppl complaining about X re-releasing stuff all the time... If you don't like it, don't buy it :P
Exactly! Nothing wrong for the management company/ producer or the artist to release more and more compilations. If don't like it don't buy.
What I dislike about X:
-Yoshiki ignoring the past aligns of the band, Taiji, Jun, Hikaru, etc., when releasing compilations (except for Rose & Blood). If someone gave him numbers about how much he could earn releasing that shit, I think he'll do it to fill (MORE) his pockets.
I see nothing wrong in this too. If the recompilations process is all by Yoshiki or his management, then it's what it should be, the money goes to him/ his management. And to re-release some more compilations of old songs is not THAT easy. Especially to ask the old friends to contribute again, as each of them has their own super busy schedule. Plus not to forget some more details such as administration, transportations (from LA-Tokyo whatever) and time. At the end of the day, the expenses are just way too much. If Yoshiki has the copyright of the song, then he's basically free to do whatever he wants.
And, I'm getting disliking this thread as it gets more negative.
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And, I'm getting disliking this thread as it gets more negative.
This thread IS negative, come on, it's called "I don't like", and I make emphasis on the I and the don't. If you people don't like others to rant or whatever about the same or yadda yadda, then close it! is as easy as 2 clicks. First someone creates a thread to bitch, and drama drama when you don't like it. This IS a thread to complain, if not, then I don't understand why it's called like that.
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This is 'I don't like thread' so I'm free and entitle to say anything I dislike including 'I'm getting disliking this thread bla bla bla.'
duh. =.=;;
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COMPLETELY agree with you 8)
Wow, it's not just me then? Right on! 8)
I dislike that this thread is about to reach 10 pages soon.
And the more people post about how much they dislike the thread, the faster it'll reach 20 pages. ;)
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The girl in the Celebration video.
Sorry but eww, having an 8-year-old girl in that ruins the video for me. WHY OH WHY couldn't they have some hot 18-or-older babe instead? Change the kid to a sexy young lady and that video instantly becomes 50 million times greater.
Come on, it's a metal video! Babe please! :mrgreen:
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Well there was Yoshiki...and the ladies in their videos have never been that attractive imo :?
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Totally agree, and I actually suspect those two points may be related.
Maybe Yoshiki didn't want to be out-babed-- I mean, he IS the hottest babe in every X video... :twisted:
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You made a good point, Hollywood XD Sounds really logical °_° Really.
I can imagine this well ... XD;
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The girl in the Celebration video.
Sorry but eww, having an 8-year-old girl in that ruins the video for me. WHY OH WHY couldn't they have some hot 18-or-older babe instead? Change the kid to a sexy young lady and that video instantly becomes 50 million times greater.
Come on, it's a metal video! Babe please! :mrgreen:
Meh.
I just hate the fuckin' mom, man.
Every time she rips up the daughter's X stuff, I get this awful feeling in my stomach. Ugh
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The girl in the Celebration video.
seconded
and i dislike X posters being ripped off wall D: blasphemous
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I dislike fanboy/girls who:
- ...put words in the mouth of the members. None of us knows what a member wants or doesn't want unless they said it to us.
- ...spread rumors about any of the members they don't have any fucking proof for. You don't know anything about the members and their life, you really don't.
Agreed. That is actually what bugs me the most. I just don't get the point of spreading rumours like hide had a child / Toshi was brainwashed / Yoshiki dated Paris Hilton or whatsoever. People have private lives and we have nothing to do with that. After all why do we even like this band? For what they do on Saturday nights or for their music?
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The girl in the celebration video is freaking hardcore, she has the Vanishing Vision LP!
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LOL. Well the sketch wasn't too bad, not a bad idea, but the voices were just stupid. And those posters ripped... :cry: :cry: :cry:
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i don't like the double standard happening here.
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The girl in the Celebration video.
seconded
and i dislike X posters being ripped off wall D: blasphemous
I agree with Radicalblues on this one XDD
But I do agree about the posters o_o It was like... that woman person... ripped pieces off my heart... o_o
SO many posters. SO hard to get.
T_________T
I hate you, evil woman.
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I don't like... that we don't know where the Paris concertr will be held. T_T
I don't like people saying: go away if you don't like it here. >,<
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Um, guys, I'm glad you're still posting here and stuff, but please stay on topic and post what you don't like about X, not what you don't like about this forum (that's what the "what pissed me off today" thread in the offtopic section is for).
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This is going to be a long post.
I hate:
Different levels of cheering during concerts that show how much fans like a member compared to another member, it must be annoying for Heath every time.
I know people are really cheering for Hide when they hear his name because he's dead and we're being respectful, but it was the same way even when he was alive:
"on guitar, hide" YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OMGOMGOMG!!!!!1 *CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP"
"on base, Heath" .................*clap*..............................*cough cough*............
And I hate all Heath ignoring in general, at the Hide Memorial Summit, everyone's singing in the rain over and over, suddenly Heath goes "in the rain!" EVERYONE goes silent and says nothing for like 10 seconds until Toshi says "in the rain" again, and then they start singing again, its like, wtf!?!
I don't really hate, but dislike:
Toshi's singing style since 1993 for X-japan's rock songs, why does he have to use his dahlia/ballad voice for songs for songs like X, Kurenai and Weekend? Infact why did they ever take out the guitar/base opening of weekend, the new opening of the song just sucks compared to the old one. But about Toshi's voice, I'm not expecting him to sound as raspy and gritty as the late 80's and 1990 lives, but why can't he sing the rock songs like he did in 1992. Sometimes Toshi even sounds bored when he's singing when he isn't using his raspy voice, go listen to the verge of destruction 1992 version of standing sex, and then X-japan returns version on the 30th, he sounds so bored on the 30th and like he's not putting any effort into singing "crime of visual shock" that made me cringe on the 30th performance. I don't mean he sounds bored all the time though when he's not using his raspy voice, because he put a lot more energy into his voice on the the 31st performance. I just think it isn't the same, Toshi is my favourite singer, but those songs just aren't the same without his raspy voice, why can't he balance to the two, sing weekend the way he used to, and then sing forever love with his ballad voice.
I hate:
How Yoshiki practically only plays Ballads at the concerts, they only perform like 6 rock songs now, one of them being Drain, apart from that you have silent jealousy, weekend, Rusty Nail, X and scars, Orgasm sort of counts, I don't know....they played art of life, but that was obviously a one-off and that wont be played again for another few years.
If Yoshiki wants to make it clear that the band is a metal band, but one that plays more ballads then others, all he'd have to do is play like, 4 or 5 ballads, and the other 16 or 15 songs can include the ones I mentioned, as well as others they seemed to have stopped playing now for seemingly no reason at all, like Blue Blood, Rose of pain, Sadistic Desire and Miscast, because really, other rock bands don't even play 4 or 5 ballads, they play like 2, not only that but you can tell that x-japan's ballads are a lot sadder, you only need like 4 of their ballads, and the ballad sections in songs like Weekend to get the message.
Yoshiki doesn't seem to be changing these kinds of setlists for anything, he didn't even really make an exception for the hide memorial summit, the event that was meant to "not contain any sad songs, this is just meant to celebrate hide in a fun way like he would want" yes I can understand them playing without you, but why didn't they arrange to sing Joker and Celebration at the memorial summit? Every other band there should have sang hide's solo carrer songs, and then X-japan play Celebration, Miscast, Joker and Scars ect. because while they are Hide's songs they are X-japan's songs as well, so they could've performed all those as part of the rule of "no sad songs at this concert" while paying tribute to hide, but no, we got the reunion concert setlist, endless rain, without you and I.V isn't a particularly happy song either.
I hate: Whoever is making that long ear peircing sound every time a song finishes or part of a song ends recently, I don't know who's doing it, I don't know if its coming from a guitar or if its the microphone because somebody keeps doing something near it, but it needs to stop, he was doing it at the reunion concerts, and the memorial summit.
During Heath's and Pata's solos, in the middle of Heath's solo, he kept that sound going for like 20 seconds, it was driving me mad, he did it at the end of the solo as well. And all the performances of Weekend, every time it comes to the piano section, he keeps that sound going constantly until Yoshiki starts playing the piano.
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"on guitar, hide" YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OMGOMGOMG!!!!!1 *CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP"
"on base, Heath" .................*clap*..............................*cough cough*............
i loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooled
so true
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"on guitar, hide" YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OMGOMGOMG!!!!!1 *CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP"
"on base, Heath" .................*clap*..............................*cough cough*............
Yeah I noticed that too. but oh well, you can't deny that some people would much prefer Taiji more than Heath in the band, so they might still, not accept him as a member of X Japan.
But it's really annoying seeing that Heath is being ignored. We all remembered "Pata ignoring", but what about "Heath ignoring"? That's as bad too. =(
he didn't even really make an exception for the hide memorial summit, the event that was meant to "not contain any sad songs, this is just meant to celebrate hide in a fun way like he would want" yes I can understand them playing without you, but why didn't they arrange to sing Joker and Celebration at the memorial summit? Every other band there should have sang hide's solo carrer songs, and then X-japan play Celebration, Miscast, Joker and Scars ect. because while they are Hide's songs they are X-japan's songs as well, so they could've performed all those as part of the rule of "no sad songs at this concert" while paying tribute to hide, but no, we got the reunion concert setlist, endless rain, without you and I.V isn't a particularly happy song either.
Yes while waiting for the hide memorial summit to start there was this topic about what song you wish they'd played. I was really hoping for them to play songs that hide wrote, and they aren't sad at all AND they are X Japan's song. So I was quite suprised when they played ENDLESS RAIN when he said "No sad songs", and ENDLESS RAIN ain't fun. =(
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A friend of mine is a huge Heath fangirl, she doesn't like that either XD
But yeah, I think it's inevitable because some people go mad when they hear hide's name O_o
then it's like: "OMG hiiiiideee!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3"
I respect every member of X, and I seem to have a strange love for Pata. X) So I don't like it that he doesn't get enough love, because he is just as talented as hide.
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i think they play i.v and without you in hide memorial summit is because both are X Japan new songs. i dont think people wanna see them perform without new material. each year of tokyo dome show from 92 to 96, X Japan perform a new song except last live. and of course for reunion concert and hide memorial summit, they played their new material song as well. i think its acceptable, even without you is a sad song, i dont think that its a big problem, but maybe for certain people.
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i dont think people wanna see them perform without new material.
I'm sure there are millions of fans who would rather hear them play their "hits" than new songs, but if you want to promote your new stuff, you have to play it as often as possible.
And I agree about
"on guitar, hide" YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OMGOMGOMG!!!!!1 *CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP"
"on base, Heath" .................*clap*..............................*cough cough*............
At least try to pretend you're not a fangirl.
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And I agree about
"on guitar, hide" YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OMGOMGOMG!!!!!1 *CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP"
"on base, Heath" .................*clap*..............................*cough cough*............
At least try to pretend you're not a fangirl.
I guess Heath still has the 'New guy' stigma even aftar what, 16 years? :roll:
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"on guitar, hide" YEAAAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OMGOMGOMG!!!!!1 *CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP"
"on base, Heath" .................*clap*..............................*cough cough*............
Yes, poor man, he will be always compared with Taiji - whereas Taiji is pretty charismatic, Heath, however... is not. But he's talented musician anyway and he deserves the same respect as other X members.
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Yes, poor man, he will be always compared with Taiji - whereas Taiji is pretty charismatic, Heath, however... is not. But he's talented musician anyway and he deserves the same respect as other X members.
Yeah, I agree. I'm not really a Heath fan-- I don't dislike him, he just doesn't really appeal to me-- but I feel sorry for him for the constant Taiji comparisons. He's not Taiji, he's Heath, and he shouldn't have to be Taiji either, that's not fair to him as an individual. In fact I would like to see Heath be more Heath, not just fade into the background like he's some support musician. And yeah, he's an established member of the band now, he's hardly new.
But you know, whoever "replaces" hide is going to have this same "Heath syndrome" multiplied by about 200. :?
Back on topic, I don't like people screaming hide's name when someone other than hide is playing hide's parts. If the people onstage are Yoshiki, Toshi, Pata, Heath, and Sugizo, then please scream either Yoshiki!, Toshi!, Pata!, Heath!, or Sugizo!. Anything else is pretty disrespectful really.
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Back on topic, I don't like people screaming hide's name when someone other than hide is playing hide's parts. If the people onstage are Yoshiki, Toshi, Pata, Heath, and Sugizo, then please scream either Yoshiki!, Toshi!, Pata!, Heath!, or Sugizo!. Anything else is pretty disrespectful really.
I can imagine it.
"Heeeeeesu, step aside, I can't see Hide's hologram!"
:roll:
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At least try to pretend you're not a fangirl.
I'm male actually, and all I was saying was that I think it must surely be slightly annoying hearing only a few claps when your name is called compared to the other members, I don't see any fangirling going on here.
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At least try to pretend you're not a fangirl.
I'm male actually, and all I was saying was that I think it must surely be slightly annoying hearing only a few claps when your name is called compared to the other members, I don't see any fangirling going on here.
That was addressed at the clapping thing, not at you :wink: I meant they should at least have the decency to clap just as much for the other members, even if Yoshiki/hide is all they care about.
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Back on topic, I don't like people screaming hide's name when someone other than hide is playing hide's parts. If the people onstage are Yoshiki, Toshi, Pata, Heath, and Sugizo, then please scream either Yoshiki!, Toshi!, Pata!, Heath!, or Sugizo!. Anything else is pretty disrespectful really.
Hm, I don't think it's that bad... because hide is still member of X Japan...
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But you know, whoever "replaces" hide is going to have this same "Heath syndrome" multiplied by about 200. :?
I guess if either Sugizo or Miyavi become the 6th member, "Heath syndrome" (Nice one btw ;)) wouldn't affect them as much because they are both well established and popular musicians with already solid connections with the band/members. I don't know much about Heaths past, but he wasn't that popular before joining X was he? So naturally filing those massive cowboy boots that Taiji left behind wasn't too easy.
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I don't know much about Heaths past, but he wasn't that popular before joining X was he? So naturally filing those massive cowboy boots that Taiji left behind wasn't too easy.
Yeah, I think he wasn't that popular before. I remember slightly the bandname... Majestic Isabelle? Don't quote me on that though. As far as I can tell he was rather underground or something.
I also think that Sugizo or MYV wouldn't have so big "problems".
And the fans who say hide can't be replaced and X isn't X without him would say so no matter who's standing there on stage on his place anyway.
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I don't know much about Heaths past, but he wasn't that popular before joining X was he? So naturally filing those massive cowboy boots that Taiji left behind wasn't too easy.
Yeah, I think he wasn't that popular before. I remember slightly the bandname... Majestic Isabelle? Don't quote me on that though. As far as I can tell he was rather underground or something.
I also think that Sugizo or MYV wouldn't have so big "problems".
And the fans who say hide can't be replaced and X isn't X without him would say so no matter who's standing there on stage on his place anyway.
Agreed. I'm a hide fan, very much of one, but I don't think Miyavi would have ANY problems making his stage presence known and finding a place for himself in the band. In many ways, their visual appearance has similarities (I'm pretty sure Miyavi would be the same "you know what, I'm gonna dress how I fucking want" that hide was), and I'd definitely cheer for both hide AND him if/when he played hide's parts.
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I don't know much about Heaths past, but he wasn't that popular before joining X was he? So naturally filing those massive cowboy boots that Taiji left behind wasn't too easy.
Yeah, I think he wasn't that popular before. I remember slightly the bandname... Majestic Isabelle? Don't quote me on that though. As far as I can tell he was rather underground or something.
I also think that Sugizo or MYV wouldn't have so big "problems".
And the fans who say hide can't be replaced and X isn't X without him would say so no matter who's standing there on stage on his place anyway.
Agreed. I'm a hide fan, very much of one, but I don't think Miyavi would have ANY problems making his stage presence known and finding a place for himself in the band. In many ways, their visual appearance has similarities (I'm pretty sure Miyavi would be the same "you know what, I'm gonna dress how I fucking want" that hide was), and I'd definitely cheer for both hide AND him if/when he played hide's parts.
the question is would Yoshiki giving Myv a chance?
because for what I see Yoshiki never invited Myv to play like in X Japan concerts or Hide memorial
I am not Miyavi fan,but I welcomed anyone to join X Japan
beside what VioletCamicat meant is that both Sugizo and Myv wouldn't have problems,because they have established names,it's not about visual similarities
and do you think hide fans will accept someone because of their visual similarities,what if they think in the contrary like "Myv is like hide fangirl",I think that would be hardship for Myv....
edit:I am not against Myv,if Yoshiki do giving him a chance,I will accept it as well,I believe Yoshiki can choose the best one for his band.
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I don't know much about Heaths past, but he wasn't that popular before joining X was he? So naturally filing those massive cowboy boots that Taiji left behind wasn't too easy.
Yeah, I think he wasn't that popular before. I remember slightly the bandname... Majestic Isabelle? Don't quote me on that though. As far as I can tell he was rather underground or something.
I also think that Sugizo or MYV wouldn't have so big "problems".
And the fans who say hide can't be replaced and X isn't X without him would say so no matter who's standing there on stage on his place anyway.
Ah... poor Heath... I still think it is the Paranoia that makes people uneasy around him. 8)
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If everything goes well with the concert (etc. etc..), let's show more love to Heath and Pata in Paris!! :D
I think Heath has his own charisma. ^_^
I can't think of this as a REPLACEMENT because I think there might be a NEW MEMBER... since hide will be there forever.
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I don't know much about Heaths past, but he wasn't that popular before joining X was he? So naturally filing those massive cowboy boots that Taiji left behind wasn't too easy.
Yeah, I think he wasn't that popular before. I remember slightly the bandname... Majestic Isabelle? Don't quote me on that though. As far as I can tell he was rather underground or something.
I also think that Sugizo or MYV wouldn't have so big "problems".
And the fans who say hide can't be replaced and X isn't X without him would say so no matter who's standing there on stage on his place anyway.
So true, and the fans should be happy that he is "still there" in a sense.
(This is rather OT, but anyway...) The good thing about Sugizo's performances with X is that he already has an existing bond and onstage charisma with fans and the band, and it does seem that they are having fun and enjoy Sugizo being onstage with them. In a way i guess i'm open for anyone to become the 6th member, yet i'd rather see someone who "belongs" there rather then some random who will just stand there playing
hide's parts without any already existing connection with the band.
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If everything goes well with the concert (etc. etc..), let's show more love to Heath and Pata in Paris!! :D
It was my plan to shout "PAAATAAA!! TOMOAKI ISHIZUKA KUROI BARA!!!" all the time :twisted:
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I don't like "hide x Yoshiki" fanfics.
As a matter of fact, I COMPLETELY DETEST THEM.
They're all emo, and with Yoshiki crying over hide's grave because he misses the great sex awmahgod @D@~~~
NO.
Just no.
I hate them T___T
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OTWHS
Full medical name: OMFG TAIJI WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?! Syndrome
Diagnosis and symptoms: Often experienced by X fans with no interest whatsoever in anything Taiji did after X, the onset of OTWHS usually occurs after a sudden or unexpected exposure to recent Taiji photos. The condition is easy to diagnose, as symptoms often include frequent repetitions of the words "old" and "omg", as well as copious displays of question marks. Patients are usually female, though male cases of OTWHS have also been reported.
Treatment: During OTWHS onset, the patient is advised to remain calm. Caregivers may wish to remind OTWHS sufferers that nearly everyone on the planet currently looks older than they did 20 years ago. Some OTWHS sufferers are able to reverse the condition after exposure to moar photos similar to the one(s) which caused OTWHS onset. Caregivers should be warned, however, that in extreme OTWHS cases this treatment method could result in additional trauma to the patient. Such patients are usually advised to avoid all visual contact with any actual adult males and return to their practice of squealing over pink-bow-wearing oshare kei liptouchers.
WARNING FOR PATIENTS: Some caregivers, exasperated by continual OTHWS outbreaks, may eventually resort to emergency treatment via STFU.
...I don't actually dislike it, I'm just amused whenever it happens. :lol:
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Full medical name: OMFG TAIJI WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?! Syndrome
Yeah, cynical Hollywood's classic entertainment in action, how lovely. :wink: So people care about him - it's better to have at least something to discuss. And sorry for being so irritable but aren't you the one who protests against the new rules like "the posts must be happy and constructive"? :wink: It's obvious that everyone looks older after 20 years - but yes, some people may want to express that idea though.
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Oh believe me, I'm not saying everyone should be happy and constructive-- hey, how is that ^ post you just replied to even mildly happy or constructive?
And like I said at the bottom there, I don't dislike it when people point out how old he looks. Really and truly, I don't care at all, and I'm certainly not saying people shouldn't talk about it if they want to.
I just think it's funny how whenever anyone posts a recent Taiji photo or video, inevitably, SOMEONE will be all "OMG!" about it. :lol:
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Haha. Hollywood I like you. You're funny.
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Haha. Hollywood I like you. You're funny.
I have always been somewhat mentally masochistic, so I like him too. Though he can be so annoying sometimes. :D
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I don't like "hide x Yoshiki" fanfics.
As a matter of fact, I COMPLETELY DETEST THEM.
They're all emo, and with Yoshiki crying over hide's grave because he misses the great sex awmahgod @D@~~~
NO.
Just no.
I hate them T___T
Actually, not all of this pairing is like that. I recommend you check out Juuchan/Juuki's fics, lolficshame's fics, and some other actual goodfic. Yes, due to the actual end, there IS a lot of inevitable angst in the fandom, but there's a LOT of good hide/Yoshiki fic, and once upon a time there was more before a lot of it got deleted.
I have some good hide/Yoshiki that isn't emo and isn't OOC in my LJ memories if you're interested.
As someone who *does* actually think hide and Yoshiki were lovers, I find people trashing on the idea really wtf. I mean, just because some (all right, maybe most) of the fics are bad does NOT mean the idea of them together was bad or even impossible. It means a lot of writers are stupid and disrespectful, but THAT happens to anything that gets fanficced. I'm pretty sure I could present a fair bit of crappy Yoshiki/Toshi fic and Yoshiki hetero fic. In fact I'm SURE I could present a fair bit of crap in the latter category since almost all the het!Yoshiki fic I've seen has involved the dreaded Mary Sue.
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OTWHS
Full medical name: OMFG TAIJI WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?! Syndrome
Diagnosis and symptoms: Often experienced by X fans with no interest whatsoever in anything Taiji did after X, the onset of OTWHS usually occurs after a sudden or unexpected exposure to recent Taiji photos. The condition is easy to diagnose, as symptoms often include frequent repetitions of the words "old" and "omg", as well as copious displays of question marks. Patients are usually female, though male cases of OTWHS have also been reported.
Treatment: During OTWHS onset, the patient is advised to remain calm. Caregivers may wish to remind OTWHS sufferers that nearly everyone on the planet currently looks older than they did 20 years ago. Some OTWHS sufferers are able to reverse the condition after exposure to moar photos similar to the one(s) which caused OTWHS onset. Caregivers should be warned, however, that in extreme OTWHS cases this treatment method could result in additional trauma to the patient. Such patients are usually advised to avoid all visual contact with any actual adult males and return to their practice of squealing over pink-bow-wearing oshare kei liptouchers.
WARNING FOR PATIENTS: Some caregivers, exasperated by continual OTHWS outbreaks, may eventually resort to emergency treatment via STFU.
...I don't actually dislike it, I'm just amused whenever it happens. :lol:
:lol:
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I dont think any members, in any band in this so called jrock fandom, are screwing each other. (but band members being together has happened, like Fleetwood Mac, No Doubt *for a while in the 90's*, and others. Not ruling it out, it's happened but in alot of fandoms and in this one in particular; the assumptions, fanfictions, shipping, etc. it all gets sooo blown out of the water to the point where now I just don't believe in it what so ever. Friends, sure absolutly. Lovers, no.) Have I read FF? actually yes *dodges bullets* every once in a while I'll come across something that is worth reading because its written well, usually thats the only reason why. reading is for fun, but I wouldn't look into anything beyond the fact that its all fiction. [/bitch out]
now back to your regular scheduled fangirling
edit: forgot to add this, if anyone does believe, I won't tell you otherwise. thats just what I think.
by the way, Hollywood, the OTWHS, that is great just fucking great. :lol:
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Yeah, fanfics are fine, as long as I don't have to read them :P
Even if they were lovers (which I highly doubt), it's pretty much none of our business...
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I guess Yoshiki x Hide as a fanfiction pairing is so popular just because Yoshiki is still very famous and Hide is still very dead, no offence.
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I don't like how all these porn without plot things are all around! If people think that they wanna make all members of every random band randomly fuck each other in impossible positions, they can do it - but please not in public! :roll:
I just try to imagine how this must feel, when you're popular and just for fun surf around and read how you're riding on your drummer or something. :lol:
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I don't like how all these porn without plot things are all around! If people think that they wanna make all members of every random band randomly fuck each other in impossible positions, they can do it - but please not in public! :roll:
I just try to imagine how this must feel, when you're popular and just for fun surf around and read how you're riding on your drummer or something. :lol:
Honestly, I know at least one artist reads fanfic and finds it funny. I know another hates it and wishes it didn't exist. (Miyavi, from all I hear, finds it funny. Hyde hates it.)
And in the days of old, X boosted its popularity by encouraging doujinshi creators, who were the proto-fanficcers. So I don't see where peeps have much ground to complain about doujinshi or fanfic in this fandom as a whole (though specific fics, definitely: I hate some of the crap that gets written. I once found a fic entitled "001 Yoshiki" that had no pairings, no sex, but was THE most OOC PIECE OF SHIT I have ever had the misfortune of seeing.)
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I just want to say that I find most fanfiction really, really funny. Especially the impossible-fuck-position kind with all the flowery descriptions of body parts. :lol:
Whatever people want to fantasize and/or write about, I really don't care, though it creeps me out when people start taking their fanfics or "pairings" or whatever too seriously. Especially when their interest in the band is directly based around one of these imagined "relationships".
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Sometimes it's fun to read it. :lol: I like Taiji x Hide pairing. :D And Pata x Heath, suprisingly, people don't write it in the style "I want to be more passive than you" which I would expect. :D
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I just try to imagine how this must feel, when you're popular and just for fun surf around and read how you're riding on your drummer or something. :lol:
I'd love to experience this someday. I'll tell you how it feels then.
XDDDDD
I joked about this with my ex-boyfriend (at that time not even boyfriend xD) when we were still in a band together. xD I mean ... just ... wtf? XD
We're getting famous ->
"Hey, look, a story about us ... eh ... Cool ... gang bang ... o.o; ohoho"
You know. XD
I think I would just laugh my ass off then XD Or wonder what people think about me °__° (And I guess most famous people that don't take theirselves too serious react this way, too. xD Or just ignore it. Don't read such stuff at all.)
Eh ... on topic ... Nothing I really dislike comes tomy mind at the moment. xD
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I just want to say that I find most fanfiction really, really funny.
Damn it, I won the price for "more passive", you wrote it faster. :D Never mind.
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I don't know where people get these ideas that Yoshiki and hide were lovers or Toshi and Yoshiki.
Sometimes I actually understand where they get their ideas that it's real but... poor people. :wink: I think there is a very important part inside of the word "fanfiction" that everyone should be aware of. FICTION. :wink:
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HA! How could I forget this point? I don't get how people can start to believe stuff like that AT ALL! Really, no matter which artist: As long as they don't say publicly, that they're a couple or what ever, I wouldn't believe a thing.
Apart from this: Whose business is it at all? :| I'm fan because I like the music above all. Everything else is private stuff usually...
Can't stand it how people spread everywhere that artist A is the lover of artist B. Fantasies are one thing - but starting to believe that is pretty weird.
Strange thing to me also is: Why do so many people believe that they're all gay? :lol: Of course it's possible that one ore the other really is, but in case I think that every story is true, half Japan is gay. Can somebody tell me actually why Tokyo is that full of people then? :P Just an example though. I can understand that this image attracts many people, and I would lie, when I'd exept myself... but yeah, as SarahAlex already mentioned: It's nothing more than FICTION.
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Can't stand it how people spread everywhere that artist A is the lover of artist B. Fantasies are one thing - but starting to believe that is pretty weird.
Hell yes. COMPLETELY agree with you and SarahAlex and Unfinished here.
Fantasies are fantasies, people can (and should) fantasize about whatever they want. But when they start to think it's real... like I said, creeps me out. Not because I'm bothered by the idea of anyone being gay (hell, I don't care if they were all getting boned daily by Pata), but because fantasies =/= reality and confusing the two is... weird.
Similar and also funny in my opinion: people who insist that each and every song a band makes is about someone in the band. :lol: I mean yeah, if a band member dies it's normal to make a song about them (AC/DC had "Back in Black" after all), but usually a song is just a song, it is not "evidence" that Member 1 secretly lusts for Member 2.
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Similar and also funny in my opinion: people who insist that each and every song a band makes is about someone in the band. :lol: I mean yeah, if a band member dies it's normal to make a song about them (AC/DC had "Back in Black" after all), but usually a song is just a song, it is not "evidence" that Member 1 secretly lusts for Member 2.
Haha! Yeah that's also really weird, that people believe every song is meant to be a loveletter or hatemail to another bandmember. :lol: Of course it can#t be completely excepted, but I think usually it's like you said: just songs.
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Can't stand it how people spread everywhere that artist A is the lover of artist B. Fantasies are one thing - but starting to believe that is pretty weird.
Hell yes. COMPLETELY agree with you and SarahAlex and Unfinished here.
Fantasies are fantasies, people can (and should) fantasize about whatever they want. But when they start to think it's real... like I said, creeps me out. Not because I'm bothered by the idea of anyone being gay (hell, I don't care if they were all getting boned daily by Pata), but because fantasies =/= reality and confusing the two is... weird.
Similar and also funny in my opinion: people who insist that each and every song a band makes is about someone in the band. :lol: I mean yeah, if a band member dies it's normal to make a song about them (AC/DC had "Back in Black" after all), but usually a song is just a song, it is not "evidence" that Member 1 secretly lusts for Member 2.
Agreed for the most part. That said, I could make a pretty strong case for hide and Yoshiki as lovers, if anyone wants to see it. By saying they're lovers, I'm not saying EVERYONE is, nor am I seeing them as gay-identified (honestly, I see Yoshiki and hide both as bisexual and liking the pu55y a whole lot more but falling for each other anyway).
And no, it's not a weird fantasy IMO. It's "these two guys from this one band fell in love with each other."
(I don't like it when people argue that saying ANYONE is GLBTQI is somehow a fantastical statement that EVERYONE is and therefore something to be ignored. Just because I am strongly convinced that two people were/are same-sex lovers IRL does NOT mean I am convinced the entire world is gay or bi.)
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But when they start to think it's real... like I said, creeps me out.
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Agreed for the most part.
I could make a pretty strong case for hide and Yoshiki as lovers
Lulz of today.
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Gosh, you really believe that?
I made fun of people like you - really. I was around and squeaking that Yoshiki and Taiji have been a couple and that Taiji left because they just broke up. And I was able to find hundrets of hints to make it seem true. :lol: But just for fun and to make fun of people who really believe that. Not because I was really believing that.
Well, naturally feel free to belive that and I wouldn't flame or something. Just don't get how people can get that obsessed about stuff from bands which isn't even related to the music itself.
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This story is really good, it always makes me laugh - especially Yoshiki's way of thinking. :D
Warnings: NC-17, not for people who hate vulgarisms (like the word "f*ck" in each possible grammatical category), not for homophobic or Yoshiki/Hide-phobic ones. :D
Take it easy and have fun, people: http://celeb.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=600050111 :lol:
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This story is really good, it always makes me laugh - especially Yoshiki's way of thinking. :D
Hey... I've read that one
on-topic:
I dislike people who dislike other people for their fangirlish dreams about pairings in a band.
I just as much dislike people who say pairings between bandmembers weren't possible AT ALL if there's no proof against it, just like I dislike people who want to say that it was all FOR REAL without any solid proof either.
Let people have their dreams or not-dreams XD
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Hey... I've read that one
And did you like it? Since I've seen the video with Yoshiki in the studio (and his "You gotta piss me off?" sentence), I found it really amusing. :D
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Hey... I've read that one
And did you like it? Since I've seen the video with Yoshiki in the studio (and his "You gotta piss me off?" sentence), I found it really amusing. :D
yaaa it was quite nice. for a change the english wasn't as crappy as it's usually in hidexyo fics and it wasn't way too unrealistical and I think the idea was really good.
Oh the video with Yoshiki in the studio is hilarious XD I love it when Toshi and hide imitate opera singers and the end when hide stops being bothered and only toshi puts up to stay with Yoshiki at work... and how they show pata reading and heath laying somewhere randomly
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Oh the video with Yoshiki in the studio is hilarious XD I love it when Toshi and hide imitate opera singers and the end when hide stops being bothered and only toshi puts up to stay with Yoshiki at work... and how they show pata reading and heath laying somewhere randomly
O_O I haven't seen that one!!! Me wantz.
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Yeah, that was also great but I was talking about this one:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=xE6xGCl2_mM[/youtube]
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Poor man, if I were him, I'd say something like: "Do it yourself, when you are so clever." :D
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Yeah, that was also great but I was talking about this one:
youtube
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Poor man, if I were him, I'd say something like: "Do it yourself, when you are so clever." :D
OH IT'S THE NO NO MORE SIXSIXTURPLETS :D :D :D
I thought you were talking about the one where hide bugs him lol
oh right Yoshiki's english pisses me off, but at least he's trying
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And you can easily guess which word is his favourite one. :D :D :D
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That said, I could make a pretty strong case for hide and Yoshiki as lovers, if anyone wants to see it. By saying they're lovers, I'm not saying EVERYONE is, nor am I seeing them as gay-identified (honestly, I see Yoshiki and hide both as bisexual and liking the pu55y a whole lot more but falling for each other anyway).
Uh, but weren't you the one who also implied on some other thread that you think Yoshiki and Miyavi are lovers? Or was that a different poster and I'm misremembering?
Well, you're welcome to think/write/say whatever you want of course, but like I said, I'm personally creeped out when "I think it's hot to imagine X and Y together" morphs into "not only would it be hot but IT REALLY HAPPENED AND I CAN PROVE IT!". Especially since you seem to take fanfiction very seriously in your previous posts on this thread and also seem very intent on "proving" that Yoshiki and hide really were lovers. Sorry, not my bag. :P
I don't like it when people argue that saying ANYONE is GLBTQI is somehow a fantastical statement that EVERYONE is and therefore something to be ignored.
People get annoyed with it because when you're into X, it keeps coming up all the time, and the people who try to prove their theories about gay X bandmember relationships are always the same people who fantasize about those bandmembers or that "pairing", which makes the "serious theories" pretty hard to take seriously. Like Camicat said, people look for stuff and then find it because they're looking for it. One could also edit together a bunch of clips to make it look like Taiji <3 Pata, but that wouldn't prove a thing about Taiji or Pata, it would just prove that whoever edited together the clips is so fixated on that fantasy that they've convinced themselves it's real. :P
I mean, you never, ever see a non-fanfic-person going around claiming to have proof that two obscure musicians, neither of whom they are sexually attracted to, are having a relationship together. No one ever goes around saying "I hate fanfiction, anal sex, Vow Wow, and Tokyo Yankees, but DAMN, I just KNOW something was going on between Kyoji Yamamoto and Umemura!" :lol:
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This story is really good, it always makes me laugh - especially Yoshiki's way of thinking. :D
Warnings: NC-17, not for people who hate vulgarisms (like the word "f*ck" in each possible grammatical category), not for homophobic or Yoshiki/Hide-phobic ones. :D
Take it easy and have fun, people: http://celeb.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=600050111 :lol:
:lol: One of my favorites. :D
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EDIT: Double post.
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:lol: One of my favorites. :D
This must be destiny! :lol: :lol: If you have any other favourite stories, please, PM me, send mail, MySpace mail, MSN message, whatever (when we finally have so many possibilities how to contact each other :-D ) and share them! :D
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This story is really good, it always makes me laugh - especially Yoshiki's way of thinking. :D
Warnings: NC-17, not for people who hate vulgarisms (like the word "f*ck" in each possible grammatical category), not for homophobic or Yoshiki/Hide-phobic ones. :D
Take it easy and have fun, people: http://celeb.adultfanfiction.net/story.php?no=600050111 :lol:
:lol: One of my favorites. :D
I love that one! :P
And I might as well stay on topic.
So I've been reading the thread, and I've come to a conclusion.
I strongly dislike:
people who have negative things to say about Yoshiki's drum solos. I mean, come on. It's not like you can do anything better. I think he's amazing. It makes me sort of sad to hear people saying things like this.
the comparison between Taiji and Heath. I think they are both great bassists. I don't have a favorite. I'm sure you people could find a lot of things to back up a thesis such as "OMG X isn't X without Taiji!!" but I really don't care, because it's stupid.
And I can't really think of anything about the band members themselves I don't like, except I am kind of annoyed that they didn't release more albums...Oh well.
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Taiji is associated with X, Heath is associated with X Japan. Given, I like X's earlier stuff more but I like both of them.
and forgot to say this, it just crossed my mind again.
Strange thing to me also is: Why do so many people believe that they're all gay?
with guys, not sure but with girls its the mindset of "If I can't have him, no woman can. So he must be gay and now I don't feel so bad about it." I gurantee that the majority of the reason why. Some might argue that that is not why, that its because of this reason or that reason but they just don't want to admit to having that mindset.
I've had my days of being a rapid fangirl (however that was a few years back and with another fandom. I matured out of that...I think :P ) and had the hating the thought of your favorite artists with a woman but come on, making yourself believe they're gay? didn't go that far and I find strange that so many have. Its sad really...
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with guys, not sure but with girls its the mindset of "If I can't have him, no woman can. So he must be gay and now I don't feel so bad about it." I gurantee that the majority of the reason why. Some might argue that that is not why, that its because of this reason or that reason but they just don't want to admit to having that mindset.
I've had my days of being a rapid fangirl (however that was a few years back and with another fandom. I matured out of that...I think :P ) and had the hating the thought of your favorite artists with a woman but come on, making yourself believe they're gay? didn't go that far and I find strange that so many have. Its sad really...
Good point. And it's usually the same type of fangirl who gets all upset when one of their favorite "gay" musicians gets married, or gets a girlfriend, or is even RUMORED to have a girlfriend. These kinds of fans make all kinds of highly, HIGHLY speculative "theories" about bandmates in love and elaborate love triangles with other bandmates and blah blah-- but then if one of those guys ever gets photographed on a date with a woman, the same person will insist it couldn't possibly be true and get pissed if anyone talks about it.
And like I said, no one ever "theorizes" about couples they don't think are hot. Not likely to be a coincidence... :lol:
I don't care what people want to fantasize about-- hey, whatever floats your boat-- but no matter what anyone says, I STILL find it incredibly creepy when people start convincing themselves that their fantasies are real. (Why does their real-life sexual orientation matter anyway? Why do people even care enough to construct all these elaborate "theories" about it?)
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Am I the only one who does not like Crucify My Love? I don't know what it is but I just don't like this song. I wish I could explain it but I'm finding it hard to.
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with guys, not sure but with girls its the mindset of "If I can't have him, no woman can. So he must be gay and now I don't feel so bad about it." I gurantee that the majority of the reason why. Some might argue that that is not why, that its because of this reason or that reason but they just don't want to admit to having that mindset.
I've had my days of being a rapid fangirl (however that was a few years back and with another fandom. I matured out of that...I think :P ) and had the hating the thought of your favorite artists with a woman but come on, making yourself believe they're gay? didn't go that far and I find strange that so many have. Its sad really...
Good point. And it's usually the same type of fangirl who gets all upset when one of their favorite "gay" musicians gets married, or gets a girlfriend, or is even RUMORED to have a girlfriend. These kinds of fans make all kinds of highly, HIGHLY speculative "theories" about bandmates in love and elaborate love triangles with other bandmates and blah blah-- but then if one of those guys ever gets photographed on a date with a woman, the same person will insist it couldn't possibly be true and get pissed if anyone talks about it.
And like I said, no one ever "theorizes" about couples they don't think are hot. Not likely to be a coincidence... :lol:
I don't care what people want to fantasize about-- hey, whatever floats your boat-- but no matter what anyone says, I STILL find it incredibly creepy when people start convincing themselves that their fantasies are real. (Why does their real-life sexual orientation matter anyway? Why do people even care enough to construct all these elaborate "theories" about it?)
Actually, I beg to differ. Best I can explain it for the one couple I truly do believe is real (hide and Yoshiki) is that it is one of the most touching and tragic love stories one could ever imagine. I'm not averse to pr0n at all, but I actually love plotted fics and fics imagining cute or everyday life moments or issues they've dealt with.
For me, it's a part of who they were and what their lives were that I find interesting to speculate about. It's not OMFG hide AND YOSHIKI ARE SOOOO HAWTTT as much as it is "this is a tragic and beautiful love story."
Also, I'm not "OMFG THEY'RE GAY THEY COULD NEVER SLEEP WITH A WOMAN EVER DIE WOMEN" :roll: . I think hide and Yoshiki were both definitely female-preferring bi and had quite the love for the groupies and models and however else they could get some. That said, I really also think both were in love with each other. . .
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I think hide and Yoshiki were both definitely female-preferring bi and had quite the love for the groupies and models and however else they could get some. That said, I really also think both were in love with each other. . .
Not having read the whole thread, I ask: do you have any evidence that they engaged in group sex, that Yoshiki laid with whoever he could, and that they loved each other sexually? I would rather use the term androgyn rather than bisexual when describing Yoshiki; the two concepts are quite different. A person that is androgyn is "at home" with both masculine and feminine traits in his/her character but does not necessarily get attracted by both men and women.
I personally am quite androgyn as a character but I don't have a homophobia, nor do I think about other males sexually. There's a good "gender test" published by our national gender equality organization SETA ("Sexual Equality", our female president is a member :P) but it's not available in English. According to that, I'm androgyneous with a slight tilt towards masculinity. By the way, there's genuine homophobia in some other (more conservative) countries, such as the US.
As for the second point, I think rather the reverse is true. Many of Yoshiki's lyrics are based on loss and longing and they see love as a violent and beautiful, etheric force. I think the concept of love would be much more inflated if Yoshiki engaged into sleeping with whoever he could find. You need tragedy, pain and loneliness as well as idealism to come up with X Japan's stuff.
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I would rather use the term androgyn rather than bisexual when describing Yoshiki
Huh, you can be/look androgynous and be bisexual at the same time. (not saying that he is bisexual, but being bi is a sexual orientation while being androgynous means there's no gender identification)
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I would rather use the term androgyn rather than bisexual when describing Yoshiki
Huh, you can be/look androgynous and be bisexual at the same time. (not saying that he is bisexual, but being bi is a sexual orientation while being androgynous means there's no gender identification)
Sure--but it doesn't follow that Yoshiki is bi; otherwise, every male attracted to "softness" would be either bi or gay which would make romantic, "poetically" involved male+heterosexual an impossibility by definition.
The more conservative Western cultures (I'm thinking, for example, US and UK) may in general be more intolerant towards softness about a male and more inclined to view said specimen as either bi or gay. The entertainment culture oddly enough plays into this setting (I'm in particular thinking of that home decoration show where gay males make hetero males' apartments look more jazzed).
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You need tragedy, pain and loneliness as well as idealism to come up with X Japan's stuff.
Agreed.
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Am I the only one who does not like Crucify My Love? I don't know what it is but I just don't like this song. I wish I could explain it but I'm finding it hard to.
No you're not the only 1. :?
It's one of my least fav X Japan's songs, and I don't know why too.
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Am I the only one who does not like Crucify My Love? I don't know what it is but I just don't like this song. I wish I could explain it but I'm finding it hard to.
I don't hate it, but I don't love it either.
It's not my kind of music.
An X song I do dislike, is Longing... Corny ballads are okay (sometimes), but this was a little too corny for me >___> The only reason I still listen to it is because of Toshi's enchanting voice.
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And like I said, no one ever "theorizes" about couples they don't think are hot. Not likely to be a coincidence... :lol:
I don't care what people want to fantasize about-- hey, whatever floats your boat-- but no matter what anyone says, I STILL find it incredibly creepy when people start convincing themselves that their fantasies are real. (Why does their real-life sexual orientation matter anyway? Why do people even care enough to construct all these elaborate "theories" about it?)
Actually, I beg to differ. Best I can explain it for the one couple I truly do believe is real (hide and Yoshiki) is that it is one of the most touching and tragic love stories one could ever imagine. I'm not averse to pr0n at all, but I actually love plotted fics and fics imagining cute or everyday life moments or issues they've dealt with.
For me, it's a part of who they were and what their lives were that I find interesting to speculate about. It's not OMFG hide AND YOSHIKI ARE SOOOO HAWTTT as much as it is "this is a tragic and beautiful love story."
That's no different in terms of the "I like this fantasy --> I think it's real" thing I was talking about though. You clearly really, really like the idea of them as a couple. Nothing wrong with that fantasy of course, but liking something does not make it real.
No one ever, ever "theorizes" about musicians they don't like or couples they don't like to fantasize about-- whether that fantasy is sexual or romantic or whatever. It's ALWAYS their favorite musicians and most-wanked-over fantasy. Therefore it's extremely difficult for me to take seriously; it always looks incredibly creepy and like the person in question is unable to separate fanfiction from real life.
Am I the only one who does not like Crucify My Love? I don't know what it is but I just don't like this song. I wish I could explain it but I'm finding it hard to.
I'm not into the ballads in general (nice songs but not my thing), but for some reason I actually like Crucify a lot MORE than most of their ballads. My favorite post-Taiji ballad for sure. It has a kind of starkness and simplicity that reminds me somewhat of the VV version of Unfinished.
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I also forgot this one...
I don't really like how on some of the newer songs, they sort of added an "electronic" type feel to Toshi's voice, like in Scars. It's weird.
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I don't hate it, but I don't love it either.
It's not my kind of music.
An X song I do dislike, is Longing... Corny ballads are okay (sometimes), but this was a little too corny for me >___> The only reason I still listen to it is because of Toshi's enchanting voice.
Well see I like some of their ballads. I love Tears. I mean I LOVE that song. Like if I were to have them perform any song for me, that would be it. I think it's mostly because of hide's solo.
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For MistcastDice: So, because I know you love these two, I made a video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vNZXZaIlrFI
Personally, I don't believe Yoshiki and hide were lovers or something like that but because my motto = "Friendship is love without sex.", I thought... Well, take a look, I hope you'll like it. :wink:
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I also forgot this one...
I don't really like how on some of the newer songs, they sort of added an "electronic" type feel to Toshi's voice, like in Scars. It's weird.
Same here, not a fan of Toshi on vocoder. Well, actually, I don't like ANY of the electronic elements they added in the Dahlia album.
And I like electronic music. I just don't like it mixed with X.
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For MistcastDice: So, because I know you love these two, I made a video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vNZXZaIlrFI
Personally, I don't believe Yoshiki and hide were lovers or something like that but because my motto = "Friendship is love without sex.", I thought... Well, take a look, I hope you'll like it. :wink:
I love it :D :D :D
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I love it :D :D :D
*grin*
*happy*
*trying to be cool*
Oh, thanks. 8)
:D :wink:
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I love the video too! Very nice. *snif*
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YAY. Ha, even though I don't believe the Yoshiki Hide thing one bit, I really like this video. It kind of shows how Hide and Yoshiki, even though they are friends, they had different lives. Hide having a fun time and Yoshiki always involved in his work......just my opinion 8)
Liked the bit where Hide shoved his fingers in his mouth and stretched out his mouth, so funny!!!
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To Matilda in Oz and mC:
Thank you very much! ^_____^
And as I wrote, I also don't believe, as you, mC, said: "the Yoshiki Hide thing". When I heard that song I used for the first time, it immediately reminded me hide. So that video should have been only about him.
But you know Yoshiki, he just... appeared in my Movie Maker and all of a sudden it was so... obvious that Yo is going to be the narrator of the story. :)
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They should've recorded Right Now in a studio, despite the fact that Jun stopped being in the band. That first heavy riff is so goddamned killer!
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They should've recorded Right Now in a studio, despite the fact that Jun stopped being in the band. That first heavy riff is so goddamned killer!
How true.
I really love their old songs, like Endless Dream and Only Way and such... It's a shame that we only have the low quality-songs....
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Interesting thread.
I have to say forst of all that the song 'Standing Sex' gets into my nerves. A LOT.
I think it might be because of the lyrics.
Then again, maybe not.
Also, some posts above someone said that ppl generally theorise about whether ppl are together or not when they are 'hot' or if they are theor favourites or sth...
I beg to differ. If it comes to theorizing about whether 2 ppl are 'zomg gei with each otherrr' I am ready to theorise about EVERYONE. (yes, I mean that.)
Unhealthy obsessions etc...*whistles innocently*
Other things I don't like in X....
Well, I don't like how they shove their solos in the concerts....
Though, I'm being hypocritic here cause I LOVE Yoshiki's piano and drum solos...:-/
Hmm..let's just say that I dislike it when, for example, hide or Heath were presenting their own solo work on stage during an X concert...
And don't get me wrong. I like their solo works too but when I watch an X concert, I want to watch X performing the band;s songs...etc etc.
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Other things I don't like in X....
Well, I don't like how they shove their solos in the concerts....
Though, I'm being hypocritic here cause I LOVE Yoshiki's piano and drum solos...:-/
Hmm..let's just say that I dislike it when, for example, hide or Heath were presenting their own solo work on stage during an X concert...
And don't get me wrong. I like their solo works too but when I watch an X concert, I want to watch X performing the band;s songs...etc etc.
I so agreee with this one. I hate it when such a big part of the concert time is wasted on solo works. Of course, their solo stuff is nice, but I'd really rather watch a full X concert, instead of those they could play some rare old songs or something. The worst one was probably the Violet UK thingy at the reunion concerts, ugh.
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Agreed, I hated Violet UK at the March concerts. What bugged me most about it was that it seemed to be just an advirtisment for h. Naoto, which kinda cheapened the whole reunion thing :(
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I agree. The VUK/Naoto show seemed out of place. But it was a good chance to go to the toilet and/or buy another drink from the pretty vendor girl. :wink:
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I always though the introduction to the later concerts was bloody ennoying (the X Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan etc. bit). The older one was MUCH better.
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I always though the introduction to the later concerts was bloody ennoying (the X Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan etc. bit). The older one was MUCH better.
Agreed. It's ridiculous and doesn't match their style at all. It makes the word 'Japan' echo in brain in a pretty unpleasant way.
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I always though the introduction to the later concerts was bloody ennoying (the X Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan Japan etc. bit). The older one was MUCH better.
FUCKING AGREED. :x
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I agree. The VUK/Naoto show seemed out of place. But it was a good chance to go to the toilet and/or buy another drink from the pretty vendor girl. :wink:
wtf i really hated the fashion show!!!
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I loved VUK... Didn't like the fashion show I guess, but City of Angels rocks :D
Well it doesn't fit X Japan maybe (well it does now than it would have 20 years ago), but during a brake, it's good for Yoshiki to introduce what he has been doing for the past 10 years.
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I loved VUK... Didn't like the fashion show I guess, but City of Angels rocks :D
Well it doesn't fit X Japan maybe (well it does now than it would have 20 years ago), but during a brake, it's good for Yoshiki to introduce what he has been doing for the past 10 years.
I don't mind Violet UK, I like most of it. But still, if I go to a X Japan concert, I'd much rather listen to X Japan than Violet UK ;P
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I pretty much like most of the music Yoshiki writes so I don't have a problem with Violet UK....but even though I really enjoy his piano and drum solos, I also thought that the random VUK show in the X Japan shows wsa a bit er.....annoying.
Kind of like a commercial break.....Interesting but um..get on with the rest of the show.
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Interesting but um..get on with the rest of the show.
I'd rather let them rest a bit... And better to have something to see and listen during a brake, than sing the Endless Rain chorus for 20 minutes :P
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Interesting but um..get on with the rest of the show.
I'd rather let them rest a bit... And better to have something to see and listen during a brake, than sing the Endless Rain chorus for 20 minutes :P
THIS is why they need another live guitarist along with Pata. Honestly, I'm all for Miyavi. . . the "Miyavi no heya" would probably be one of the coolest things about the new X if he became a part of the band. . .
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And I'd rather be for a Sugizo no Heya. Seeing where Miyavi is steering with his style, he wouldn't fit. Just because he is visual or something, doesn't mean he would fit there.
And unless I have mistaken something, they are still planning to have guest guitarists joining in for the show.
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And I'd rather be for a Sugizo no Heya. Seeing where Miyavi is steering with his style, he wouldn't fit. Just because he is visual or something, doesn't mean he would fit there.
And unless I have mistaken something, they are still planning to have guest guitarists joining in for the show.
I think I'd hate EVERY new '... no heya' That's HIDE's solo - and if anyone should play it, it's HIDE himself. :evil:
And I personally hope that Miyavi won't be a guest guitarist of X :lol: Sry, I'm not into Miyavi's stuff - have never been into it.
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And I personally hope that Miyavi won't be a guest guitarist of X :lol: Sry, I'm not into Miyavi's stuff - have never been into it.
Agree, Don't want Miyavi to perform with X, not that I hate him, but he really don't fit with X and have absolutly no connexion with them. Sugizo is at leat a friend of them for years...
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Agree with Maverick. :P
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And I personally hope that Miyavi won't be a guest guitarist of X :lol: Sry, I'm not into Miyavi's stuff - have never been into it.
Agree, Don't want Miyavi to perform with X, not that I hate him, but he really don't fit with X and have absolutly no connexion with them. Sugizo is at leat a friend of them for years...
I would kill myself, if he is.
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I've to agree with the whole Violet UK thing, it was really out of place. Even worse as nobody in the crowd seemed into it. Though I could sit down and rest the legs a bit, and seemingly some went to get drinks ;)
Miyavi for X?
:x
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Though I could sit down and rest the legs a bit, and seemingly some went to get drinks Wink
Nah, I would never get my butt off the seat. I just waited until the lovely girl came closer... and then I attacked! 8)
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Oh. I didn't even notice that they had people walking around selling. Though, I only had a seat around the stairs at one of the concerts, and there was no silly VUK performance then :P
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Yeah, I had the seat to the corridor only at the last performance. But I was really thankful for that, as I needed a drink. The journey to Tokyo Dome almost killed me that time (almost came late due to train accident). 8)
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What kinda music is VUK anyway? Weird ambient/triphop shit right?
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Check their MySpace (http://www.myspace.com/violetuk)
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What kinda music is VUK anyway? Weird ambient/triphop shit right?
Not ambient, is not trip hop (not in the kind of triphop that Portishead play, perhaps closer to Massive Attack, but no triphop) VUK is electronic/techno music mixed with some electric guitars, very much like certain songs from Orbital (which used to play with some punk/rock/heavymetal elements) Crystal Method or Juno Reactor.
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What kinda music is VUK anyway? Weird ambient/triphop shit right?
Appropriately enough, it sounds (to me anyway) exactly like runway model/fashion show music. :P
And I also was very "what the fuck?" about the VUK portion of the reunion concerts. It's a concert, and then all of a sudden it's a fashion show. Complete with fashion show music. I've got nothing against fashion shows, but fuck, not in the middle of an X concert!
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I don't like how at concerts whenever they have a screen and they're showing pictures/video, it's all of Yoshiki. Even at the hide memorial concert this happened. I love the guy but come on now, this ain't no one man band. It just bothers me.
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I like the VUK stuff - it's somehow interesting since it really seems to turn out that way VUK was supposed to be.. rock concert fashion show, commercial, everything like that.
An you'd have had the choice - either waiting and seeing nothing happen on stage (which can turn out waiting quite a long time) - or a commercial sequence with VUK ;)
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It's a concert, and then all of a sudden it's a fashion show. Complete with fashion show music. I've got nothing against fashion shows, but fuck, not in the middle of an X concert!
Agreed. It doesn't really go with the band's style.
I honestly don't know if I like VUK or not, in fact I think it's the kind of music that I listen to and just shrug. I obviously don't mind having them perform in the intervals, though. Better than nothing. But, as I said... I sort of crinkle my nose at it. Suddenly a dozen displaced creatures in funny outfits take over the stage and start making music that has nothing to do with the band I paid to see... a bit boring.
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I guess it's just too soon to judge VUK... hard to judge a band who hasn't released an album yet.
Personnally I liked the song during the reunion show. The song in itself is good. The voice of the singer is good (imo). Again, it shows the great "open mindness" of X members... I'd never thought I'd see Pata play on a song like that !
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I guess it's just too soon to judge VUK... hard to judge a band who hasn't released an album yet.
Nobody's really judging VUK as a band here. We are only pointing out that it did not work well for us during Reunion concerts.
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Yeah I know ! I wasn't saying that you were judging them good or bad or anything ;)
Anyway I'm not so sure that it didn't work well... people just didn't know the song, they didn't know the band (or most of them didn't), so well... you just watch :D It's kinda like when a band performs a new song for the first time live. It's hard for the audience to get in it as they don't know it.
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Well, to be honest, I think the feeling was even a bit more different.
New song is a new song, but this was something else - and it felt totally out of place. And judging from my surroundings, loads of people felt like this. Maybe it felt different in the other parts of the Dome, but in my vicinity (all Japanese there, we did not have JRR tickets) people went like - WTF? And chose to chat, relax, drink etc. instead of paying attention to what was going on on stage.
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Yeah well for sure they were more interested about X Japan :D
Anyway, I think you are in a better place to judge than me as I only saw the video. :D
But I can understand why people reacted like that, it's REALLY different than X Japan...
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Well, yes...
I guess VUK would really deserve its own show sometimes soon. Though it's probably not going to happen in a near future. :?
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Yes, I also think VUK might work out much better in their own show. People who know the songs and are fond of the style. Much good as they can be, it obviously didn't work in coordination to X. It's a bit as if somebody had put Pavarotti in the middle of a Nirvana show. :?
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'Imagining Nessun dorma playing while Kurt Cobain is smashing his guitar into Dave Grohls drumkit.'
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You don't...... understand...... VIOLET UK is the future......... they are........ you just don't understand........!!!!
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Actually, i think there's a special reason why VUK hasn't an own show, yet. Since it's supposed to be a 'revolution from the underground kingdom'. Honestly, to me personally the underground kingdom means Extasy. And that there's here and there a little bit of VUK just suits it. Personally, I'm still very careful with judging. I.E. Trip Hop is really not my thing, but then again there are songs from Violet UK i really like.
An own concert wouldn't fit in - that won't be the 'underground' anymore, because VUK would then stand in the spotlight.
I simply see it within the concert that it is a simple sequence in a break (more or less a break for Yoshiki - since Pata was on stage :P) - one could even say it was a weird new version of a Yoshiki Solo ;) - and i'm too curious what else will happen with VUK in future.
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@Maverick - I agree with everything you said. Except that putting them on as a 'break-time band' is also a bit cruel. Inevitably, people who are not fond of them beforehand will look at them just as if they were some mere distracting commercial add on TV, in between two split parts of a movie. If they want to take them serious (and I assume that VUK might have some good potential, both visually and musically, despite not being my style), they'd better place them in a different scenario. Otherwise, the first impression people will have of them is that of a... time-killer. I know there has to be something in the dead meanwhiles, for the band to rest and for the fans to keep entertained, but I'd go for something more neutral. An [important and promising] side-project of one the band members is a bit over the edge.
Anyway, just like you said, I'm also curious to see what's gonna happen next. Something keeps making me believe they haven't shown their full potential, yet.
@DR,
You don't...... understand...... VIOLET UK is the future......... they are........ you just don't understand........!!!!
Don't take us bad, we're not saying VUK is something worthless nor musically unpleasant. The only problem is that the context of their debut live appearence was not the best one, that's all. I also think that their music style might be quite futuristic, though.
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Damn, that VUK is some weird shit. It sounds a bit too arty for my taste. I'd take rock 'n' roll anyday over that crap.
Now don't hate me cos I'm a closeminded fuck, cos that's what I am.
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i dont like the 'new' stage outfits and looks, its boring.
i lied the colorful stuff, tons of make, crazy wigs and the dresses and roses and stuff.
then again the musical style doesnt fit the visual clothing anymore
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I don't really think VUK fits in, I do wonder what Yoshiki is planning with VUK.
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I prefer music that's played with actual instruments.
Hence I can't stand most of the stuff that comes out of VUK. Curse you, electronica :(
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I actually kind like it, it's raw, but not to raw and it's catchy.... :P
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the comparison between Taiji and Heath. I think they are both great bassists. I don't have a favorite. I'm sure you people could find a lot of things to back up a thesis such as "OMG X isn't X without Taiji!!" but I really don't care, because it's stupid.
I agree with you. I think they're both good, maybe not equal, but they both have their good points and bad points.. Anyways I hate all kind of comparing (bands, people etc.)... It's just pointless.
I was supposed to write something else here too, but I forgot what it was :D
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I didn't like taiji too much.. yes, I know he is skilled and all but just no. It's something about him I don't really like.
I still like Heath a lot more and his style, charisma.
They should release more stuff too.. pssst. yoshiki -> release = cash = yatta!! ;)
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I didn't like taiji too much.. yes, I know he is skilled and all but just no. It's something about him I don't really like.
I still like Heath a lot more and his style, charisma.
They should release more stuff too.. pssst. yoshiki -> release = cash = yatta!! ;)
I understand that. I kinda preferred Taiji as a bassist but Heath fits the image of X Japan. Taiji felt alittle too westernized, if you catch my drift.
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I didn't like taiji too much.. yes, I know he is skilled and all but just no. It's something about him I don't really like.
I still like Heath a lot more and his style, charisma.
They should release more stuff too.. pssst. yoshiki -> release = cash = yatta!! ;)
I understand that. I kinda preferred Taiji as a bassist but Heath fits the image of X Japan. Taiji felt alittle too westernized, if you catch my drift.
Yea, agreed and overall I just happen to like Heath a lot more. But by no means I'm saying that Taiji sucks. No, he is a good bassist, I cannot deny that.
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I ******* can't believe this...
I don't think that Visual-Kei is a joke AT ALL!! For me it's a great "fashion-tide". And Yoshiki DIDN*T LOOK STUPID at all with his JACKETS!! They were jackets, NOT dresses!!
And you know, hide always has little bit "bizarre" look and clothes, but I think he just looks AWESOME in those! They fit him very well. hide looks always awesome, no matter what... <3
hide's music... It makes me (and I bet that many other people too) feel so happy and good mood!! It describes hide's personality perfectly!
About Yoshiki's piano solos... Yoshiki feels such HUGE sadness! He just lets his pressure come out!!! You know, it must be SO HARD to find own father dead... I can't even imagine that feeling. That's why he has so aggressive solos... His drum solos... He has broken his wrist and neck because of it!! He has too much pressure and sadness inside of him. That's why I understand his banging, and watching it is very hurtful, but at the same time so beautiful.
And yes, if someone else would doo that, I would probably watch him like O______O!? but not Yoshiki... nononono never... I understand his pain.
About that "not the best drum solo"-thing. I usually skip drum solos because they are so BORING!!! But I never skip Yoshiki's. I think his drum solos ARE the best. They are everything else but boring!! I love watching Yoshiki 'cos I know that he lives to music. There I can see how much he loves it...
For me, I have NEVER noticed that hide tries to be the LEADER of X?!?!? Yoshiki is the leader, everyone knows that. hide's personality just makes it "look like it". For me hide is the cheerleader of X. Always on good mood and likes to make people on a good mood and feel good!!
I know this whole thing is an opinion thing but... It just makes me so goddamn mad if someone starts to criticize my favourite band so harshly... Their music has helped me so much and seems like I can't handle the hard words about X....
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Yes, I have to agree with you ~Carmilla~. I love Yoshiki's solos too
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Thank you, I really appreciate that ^-^
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To be honest, I think X Japan's image is extremely important. If they hadn't looked so ridiculous and "out there", they might not have gotten so much attention. Yes, music is music, and if I don't like a band's image, I'm not going to bitch about it. But sometimes, that image can attract people, or even drive them away. In that sense, looks are very important.
For me, I only hated some of the things Toshi wore in interviews, his casual look. Actually, I didn't "hate" them, I just laughed and thought, "Dear lord, what is that man wearing...". So, maybe I loved it. (laugh)
As for the Art of Life piano solo...
I don't think the actual playing was art, or anything musically good. I do, though, think it expressed a hell of a lot of emotion and made an interesting show. When I see Yoshiki pounding on that piano, I'm more blown away, and a little scared, rather than thinking, "That sounds like crap!".
I'd say more, but I have to get off the computer. ;D
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I don't like the fact it's quite expensive to go to Japan to see X
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^ AGREED.
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Thirded. :(
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You know, X should come to Europe!
wait...
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As for the Art of Life piano solo...
I don't think the actual playing was art, or anything musically good.
Could you be a bit more specific? That is, what do you call "art", and "musically good"? :)
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I don't like Drain.
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I don't like how sometimes Yoshiki is portrayed as 'shallow' or 'egotistical'.
I mean, he's not either. If anything he'd be more opinionated than egotistical. As for being shallow and such... would a shallow person go and take hot drinks to fans?
I highly believe that he hasn't had a DUI since BEFORE hide's death. Sooo... and the McGruff photos were long after that.......
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I'm just curious as to how Yoshiki wouldn't even consider calling Taiji back. I mean, that man, obviously plays AWESOME guitar. And I doubt they're still holding grudges against each other. It's the ego I tell ya~
::WE ARE X::
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I mean, that man, obviously plays AWESOME guitar.
I agree with the rest of your post, but Taiji played bass, not guitar. =)
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He was quite gifted on the guitar also :P
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Yep, just look at him playing Voiceless Screaming..
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I'm just curious as to how Yoshiki wouldn't even consider calling Taiji back. I mean, that man, obviously plays AWESOME guitar. And I doubt they're still holding grudges against each other. It's the ego I tell ya~
::WE ARE X::
I think it's because Yoshiki (and X Japan) and Taiji walk on two different roads (since 1992). I don't think the style of music Taiji is playing now, fits with the style X is now. X changed a lot over the years, and it would be VERY weird to have Taiji back all of a sudden. And besides, what's wrong with Heath? Heath "fits" in X perfectly, and i'm sure he's tired of all the people comparing him with Taiji, or wanting Taiji back.
But don't get me wrong, I LOVE Taiji XDD and I prefer the oldskool X. But, X has changed, nobody can deny that. If X was still the same now as in 1992, then yeah, it wouldn't be too weird to have Taiji back. But it's not. Live with it :P
Lol, longest post I ever made? XD
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I think it's because Yoshiki (and X Japan) and Taiji walk on two different roads (since 1992). I don't think the style of music Taiji is playing now, fits with the style X is now. X changed a lot over the years, and it would be VERY weird to have Taiji back all of a sudden. And besides, what's wrong with Heath? Heath "fits" in X perfectly, and i'm sure he's tired of all the people comparing him with Taiji, or wanting Taiji back.
But don't get me wrong, I LOVE Taiji XDD and I prefer the oldskool X. But, X has changed, nobody can deny that. If X was still the same now as in 1992, then yeah, it wouldn't be too weird to have Taiji back. But it's not. Live with it :P
Lol, longest post I ever made? XD
I never said there's sth wrong with Heath lol, I love him definitely. i just though it would be nice if Taiji could come and play as the guitarist. Heath can still be the bassist and yeah, i know that's impossible XD
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All the drama... and the fact that it has been more than a year since I.V., and there still isn't no new song.
But I guess the new song would just make the fans go wild. I remember when I first heard I.V., I coudn't think straight for more than a month, and I even had fysical problems XD (sweating, headache, hyperactivity) So... I don't know if I will survive another NEW SONG MANIA ZOMFG :P
Oh yeah, and i don't like the fact that the world tour is slowly falling apart.
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fysical problems XD (sweating, headache, hyperactivity)
... I thought that's your normal state... I can't imagine you more hyperactive :P
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fysical problems XD (sweating, headache, hyperactivity)
... I thought that's your normal state... I can't imagine you more hyperactive :P
Shh! XD
and YES WE CAN : D never say can't!
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Having such high expectations for the countdown gig and fearing they may be disappointed :-[
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Having such high expectations for the countdown gig and fearing they may be disappointed :-[
Yeah, same here. On one hand I think they are gonna be similar to the reunion concerts (which were great btw), but on the other hand deep down inside, I'm hoping for a few things (new permanent member, new songs, more old songs, and so on :))
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Yeah, same here. On one hand I think they are gonna be similar to the reunion concerts (which were great btw), but on the other hand deep down inside, I'm hoping for a few things (new permanent member, new songs, more old songs, and so on :))
wouldn't count on that, mate.
:P
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I wouldn't count on any of the things I'm hoping for ;-)
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Having such high expectations for the countdown gig and fearing they may be disappointed :-[
Yeah, same here. On one hand I think they are gonna be similar to the reunion concerts (which were great btw), but on the other hand deep down inside, I'm hoping for a few things (new permanent member, new songs, more old songs, and so on :))
I'm hoping for the exact same things ;D Let's hope at least one or two of them become reality.
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But but but... *panic voice* :D
I can't understand why you are saying "X Japan wasn't visual kei"? X Japan definately was visual kei, I was VERY VERY surprised when I saw people discussing about that :O X Japan was a pioneer of visual kei during 80's and during 90's followed by LUNA SEA and L'arc~en~ciel. Almost everyone here has said they had very colourful and visual outfits during 80's and for a moment during 90's, and very visual outfits is only "point" in visual kei, so how can anyone say "X Japan wasn't visual kei?" I'm very confused.
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^Yeah I agree.
X Japan IS Visual Kei. The heavy make up, the bizarre style. Everything about their look was visual. How can you say that they aren't?
Well now of course they aren't.
Oh yeah I don't like Wriggle. I don't know why but I can't make myself to like this song. =/
It's the only X Songs-in-album that I dislike.
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X Japan wasn't/isn't Visual Kei.
X Japan was/is Visual Kei.
Now, both of those sentences can be true or false. It all depends on how you define visual kei. Some people define it as what emerged in the 1980s, with X, Loudness, D'erlanger, Color, etc. Some define it as what Malice Mizer and the like started in the 1990s and that X was just visual. As long as we don't clearly define what visual kei is/was, we can't really say anything and all arguments become pointless.
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http://music.3yen.com/wp-content/images/malice_mizer_-_au_revoir_01.jpg
http://www.xeromusic.com/azimages/xjapan.jpg
find the 999999999999999999 differences
one thing is the "visual" which was created by bands like visual scandal, gained fame with yokosuka st and died with X
another thing is the visual kei, created by Mana in 1994, who mixed gothic with visual, creating visual kei (visual type)
easy, really easy
x wasn't visual kei
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sinj-nu0XEw[/youtube]
Tell that to MERRY.
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Tell that to MUCC.
This video is from 2007 and they say "Visual kei exploded about 10 years ago in Japan", who disbanded when Visual kei exploded? X Japan. Who had lot of fame in 1997? Mana.
Also, Merry doesn't say anything. Beatles also played a very important role in heavy metal music, and they aren't heavy metal music.
Again, in this video we can see Yoshiki saying "Visual kei, which we started". LOL, I'm fucking sure he's saying that just not to explain the whole history.
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Again, please define Visual Kei and then we can say if X Japan started it, played a big role in it or didn't have anything to do with it.
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Visual kei? Visual + gothic
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lol do you even know what kei means.
"Visual kei exploded about 10 years ago in Japan"
X was the only people daring enough to do so until Mana appeared followed by others.
exploded doesn't necessary mean they don't exist, they just got popular later on.
Visual - visual (heavy emphasis put on flashy appearance and style),
Kei(系) - system; lineage; group(type).
gothic is gothic. "kei" isn't even a style.
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But during X's flashy years the style was a lot different than visual kei is now, and was called visual (I think), so could we just call X visual to keep things simple?
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The boost in public awareness of visual kei bands during the last few years has also been referred to as neo-visual kei.... ::)
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X was the only people daring enough to do so until Mana appeared followed by others.
exploded doesn't necessary mean they don't exist, they just got popular later on.
if X had been visual kei then visual kei would have exploded in 1991-1992 when X sold 1,000,000 copies of Jealousy and did a Tokyo Dome 3days, then if would have been the 'explosion of visual kei', but since X wasn't visual kei. Visual kei exploded when Malice Mizer signed with Nippon Columbia in 1997 and released merveilles one year later, as MUCC said 'about ten years ago'
Visual - visual (heavy emphasis put on flashy appearance and style),
Kei(系) - system; lineage; group(type).
gothic is gothic. "kei" isn't even a style.
I already know that, what I meant is that visual kei is just a mix of visual (which X was) and gothic stuff
neo-visual-kei? that's another stupid word created by fans which means nothing like jrock or jmusic
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neo-visual-kei? that's another stupid word created by fans which means nothing like jrock or jmusic
lol this i can agree.
it's ABOUT 10 years ago. that can mean around that period since he didn't exactly indicate how many years back.
but you said X was visual. which means they belong in the Visual Group = Visual Kei.
Visual Kei is just any band that belongs in the visual group.
It's all about the make up and the outfit.
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but you said X was visual. which means they belong in the Visual Group = Visual Kei.
Visual Kei is just any band that belongs in the visual group.
It's all about the make up and the outfit.
one thing is visual kei and another one is visual, don't mix them
visual = born in 1979 died in december 31, 1993
visual-kei = born in 1994, still alive. you won't see the word visual-kei anywhere before 1994, but you will find things like 'visual scandal', 'visual shock'
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as hypno said, it really does depend on how you define VK... if you just mean modern VK, than it's hard to say that X was a part of that, but if you look at VK as a broad term, than X was a part of it
Agreed.
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AMI, you took the words right from my mouth :)
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i didn't like Nicole being in that VUK thing that Yoshiki did... maybe I am just jealous. But I still don't like it.
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I don't like the whole 'brainless fangirl culture'. It annoys the everliving crap out of me. I mean.. yes.. I'm a rather 'newbie' when it comes to Japanese Rock music, but I at least try not to... 'act' newbie.
Brainless fangirls are the one thing I just... cannot stand
That and people who act brainless in general.
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i don't like my bf's name now, all of a sudden @.@
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i don't like being USED...
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When people remind me there is a movie on tv... when I already have the DVD.
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i don't like inactivity... :P
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i don't like the people at my school that say yoshiki is ugly and gay!
*gets out gun* DIE EVIL PEOPLE !!!!!
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i don't like the people at my school that say yoshiki is ugly and gay!
*gets out gun* DIE EVIL PEOPLE !!!!!
I wouldn't say Gay... lol.. more 'Metro-sexual'... and he's simply scrumptious!!!
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i don't like the people at my school that say yoshiki is ugly and gay!
*gets out gun* DIE EVIL PEOPLE !!!!!
I wouldn't say Gay... lol.. more 'Metro-sexual'... and he's simply scrumptious!!!
i'd be honest... i don't really like yoshiki's beauty...
but there are things that i like about that guy.
he has this really sexy aura...
the kind that will make ANY woman want to date, kiss, and more...........
oh and of course --- his talents.
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:lol: ur crazy pinku_
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:lol: ur crazy pinku_
lol. Whoa-what did i do @.@
hehehe ^ ^
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I don't like trying to get a girl who doesn't feel the same way.
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:lol: ur crazy pinku_
lol. Whoa-what did i do @.@
hehehe ^ ^
lol...nuthin.....
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.... non-productivity during band sessions -o-
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HATRED RACISM IGNORANT PEOPLE
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I don't like that that X Fans support on LJ deleted my comment!!! gnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarhghhhhh!!!!! ><;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
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I don't like trying to get a girl who doesn't feel the same way.
The same way? I like X... and I don't care one way or another about anyone's sexuality
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i hate people that act like somthin they nt....
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I don't like that that X Fans support on LJ deleted my comment!!! gnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarhghhhhh!!!!! ><;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
WTF,kill
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ah they are just a bunch of yuppie wannabe's.
I don't like getting hit in the head with things....
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i dnt like when pple r mean 2 me because i get the best marks in ALL of my classes
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i dnt like when pple r mean 2 me because i get the best marks in ALL of my classes
They get mad because they are jealous of your abilities.... just ignore the freaks
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HATRED RACISM IGNORANT PEOPLE
ME TOO! >=(
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HATRED RACISM IGNORANT PEOPLE
ME TOO! >=(
ME TOO!!!
i've been at times, discriminated for being half/quarter this and that --- being in a foreign country and all. even when I'm in my country some still treat me differently because of the same reasons.
SO I REALLY HATE RACISM!
Strip it all down (skin, eye colour, etc.)
YOU and I --- WE ALL... we all have the same color of BLOOD, FLESH and BONE.
We are all the same.
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HATRED RACISM IGNORANT PEOPLE
ME TOO! >=(
I loathe racism, ignorance and intolerance.
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i've been at times, discriminated for being half/quarter this and that --- being in a foreign country and all. even when I'm in my country some still treat me differently because of the same reasons.
Yeah I even argued with some dude on youtube coz he said half asians are trash. I was like wtf. Real life Harry Potter yo, with all the pure blood half blood stuff.
I think halfs are cool. You know people who is a half are really pretty. <3
Yeah we're all humans! We have organs and stuff. It's just the appearance that's different actually.
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im white and my girl is mexican i hate it when people do nothing but stare. it makes me sooooo freaking mad when people stare/ im not a sideshow at a circus or and animal at a zoo. neither of us are freaks of nature so why do people have to stare.
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Yeah I even argued with some dude on youtube coz he said half asians are trash. I was like wtf. Real life Harry Potter yo, with all the pure blood half blood stuff.
I think halfs are cool. You know people who is a half are really pretty. <3
kurokei... yeah lol, the Harry Potter part made me smile a bit. i loved that book. but all these pure blood and half blood or multi blood, etc. sh!t... really has to stop. it's been like GENERATIONS of it. it's not doing anyone in this world, any good. some even go as far as not listening to music from other countries just because...
ACKK!!! *pukes*
im white and my girl is mexican i hate it when people do nothing but stare. it makes me sooooo freaking mad when people stare/ im not a sideshow at a circus or and animal at a zoo. neither of us are freaks of nature so why do people have to stare.
first and foremost, staring is RUDE. i feel you ---
OH and I have to agree with half Asians being pretty and all (ehem) lol.
and Wearex316, it's gonna be for sure that you'll have a beautiful baby ^ ^
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it's all a bunch of unfounded ideas some people have about others who are somewhat different than them
perfectly put!
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There are things that have nothing to do with race even that people can be discriminated against. Sex, Religion, Handicaps, personal beliefs, Mental Illness... And I hate it. I pretty much lost a job due to discrimination.
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I don't like supervised vocal lessons...
basically i can't go on my own pace.
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I don't like arrogant self centered bitches who want to not answer emails, then get their ass bent out of shape cuz I kick their sorry butt off my top 40... It is MY myspace... If YOU do not want me to talk... drop me off your list and move on with your life.
And when I do put you back on the top 40 shut up and take the place you are given because there are people who do.. no matter their time constraint.. manage a reply with a few lines.
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I DON'T LIKE THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:( >:( >:(
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k44c9guDAU[/youtube]
They are NOTHING the same!
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I don't like it either
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that video sucked it wouldve been great to see those two work together tho.
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I don't like Toshi's recent overuse of shouting, I don't think he realises it ruins some of the ballads, there are a couple of times during Tears/Endless Rain at the hong kong concerts which weere a little annoying, but it was mainly the Longing/Forever Love performances that annoyed me, and it annoyed me for several reasons.
1. The random shouting during it was naturally distracting/suprising and kills any emotion the song is trying to show
2. One of the main things in the acoustic versions of the songs that made them emotional were the bass and electric acoustic, Toshi weas shouting between basically every interval of him singing, you couldn't hear the instruments, what's the point.
3. The concert was sold out, Hong Kong fans were sounding ten times more exited about the band during the concert then at Tokyo dome, and before Forever Love they were singing the lyrics to every previous song by themselves very loudy, so I think Toshi could've worked it out for himself that they know the lyrics to Forever Love, but instead he was shouting every line to them like they'd never heard of them.
If shouting happily during a ballad at every chance he gets is Toshi's new way of not getting depressed during the sad songs then that's bad news for us.
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ive heard some one say this before and i agree it is a lil annoying but like someone said before also when i see them live i want him to scream his ass off even if the song is endless rain/forever love. and beside every time Toshi screams an angel gets it wings.
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I'm not too sure on that WeAreX. I mean... screaming/shouting during a concert is one thing. But to bust out screaming and such during a ballad is extremely distracting. Not only that... it's highly innapropriate. The reason I say this... Is it seems that in a way.. Toshi is sabataging the shows...
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sorry but i strongly disagree and i highly doubt hes sabotaging anything. evey time he scream so does the crowd even in the ballads. i really don't think until we see them live that we can judge his screaming. watching it on tv and a computer is completely different. the energy alone is different. there is no way we can fully experience a X concert unless your actually there yourself. and that includes the screaming how can we possible feel the energy he feels watching it on a computer. and its only distracting because we are not there. look at the crowd i don't think they are being distracted at all hell they sing louder which is what hes trying to get them to do.
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I find his shouting a bit distracting too, but I think it's way overboard to call it sabotage. The way I see it... well, Toshi's been doing healing music for 10, 11 years, I'm thinking he's just trying to get back into the feeling of the rocker he was. ;) I don't really mind the yelling, I think it's inappropriate in songs like Tears and Forever Love, but I don't mind it as much in the other ballads. I'm just going to be patient and see if he gets back into the "just right amount of screaming", haha.
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i dont like the fact that Vamps are playing in the US on my birthday but its the wrong side of the country.
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I don't like the X-Japan fans who seem to think that because Toshi messes up in singing, whatever way it is, that means he isn't as good as he used to be, or can't do something anymore. There aren't many fans like these, but there were a few people on the reunion concerts, the hide memorial summit acting like that, and now I'm currently in an argument with someone on youtube who thinks after watching the Kong Kong live on the 17th that Toshi can't keep up with Orgasm (which in turn means fast songs) anymore because he's old.
I've never thought once since they reunited that Toshi has lost range or the ability to sing like he used to, I knew that Toshi was just having a rough period and that about a year later or more he'd be just as good as ten years ago, and that is what's pretty much happened.
But I'm sure that when all the concerts that I mentioned aired, there were people who were basically going "nope, Toshi's lost it, he's gone, we'll never hear his amazing voice again!" and had given up on him already. The reason I'm bringing this up is because of this guy on youtube right now who's irritated me by saying Toshi can't keep up with Orgasm because of his performance on the 17th, saying he's too old now.
There's a difference between not being able to keep up and forgetting the lyrics because:
1. English is not his first language
2. Its the first time he's performed the English version in ten years and before that he'd only done it once
3. Trying to remember the lyrics and not being able to while you're singing the line, makes you stumble over the line even more and when that happens half the stuff that comes out your mouth doesn't sound anything like what you're trying to sing, and its even worse when what you're trying to sing is not your first language. I can sing really fast lines from System of a Down songs perfectly, but when I try to sing songs like Scars or Miscast, because Japanese isn't my first language, and I havn't sang the song in a while, I mess up, just like Toshi did, its nothing to do with age wearing him down or anything like that. There's a reason he sang the rest of the song in japanese.
Btw, I'm not really angry I just feel I have to explain a lot of points in detail in my posts sometimes.
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@Ulquiorra:
THANK
YOU.
I cannot agree any more, I am exactly the same on the "Toshi's lost it aahhh" situation. In fact, I don't think I have anything to add or rant about, so I'll just say thank you for posting that.
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Since we're on Toshi now, I really REALLY liked this acoustic performance Toshi, Pata and Heath did on their last night of their comeback.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWeKHZpCQVY
The fans were PURE LOVE.
and, there wasn't any Toshi screaming :)
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i dont like X fans that trash X members fans. dont hate on someone because they like one member more than another. its not what the band wants. We are X not We are haters. if theres on thing i noticed about X is they are about love not hate.
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i dont like X fans that trash X members fans. dont hate on someone because they like one member more than another. its not what the band wants. We are X not We are haters. if theres on thing i noticed about X is they are about love not hate.
So true... People should be grateful they ARE together again, they DO concerts again. Two years ago, X was still dead. Try to think of that the neXt time you bash on the concerts again.
So I completely agree with you on this one. PEACE AND LOOOVE, guys!
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LONG LIVE X-JAPAN!!!
WE ARE X!
That's right MIHO... peace and love...
i dont like X fans that trash X members fans. dont hate on someone because they like one member more than another. its not what the band wants. We are X not We are haters. if theres on thing i noticed about X is they are about love not hate.
So true... People should be grateful they ARE together again, they DO concerts again. Two years ago, X was still dead. Try to think of that the neXt time you bash on the concerts again.
So I completely agree with you on this one. PEACE AND LOOOVE, guys!
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah... fangirls blablablabla... oh wait... that means I'm a fangirl too ? ;D ;D ;D
WE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE...
xxxxxxxX
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah... fangirls blablablabla... oh wait... that means I'm a fangirl too ? ;D ;D ;D
WE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE...
xxxxxxxX
Oh, you! XDDD
X!!!!!!
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lol, lucs ;P
And what I don't like today...and every other day... is writing job/internship applications...!!! >O<;;;;;;;;;
*runs in circles*
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LOL Ami ;D ;D ;D
I dislike having to change everything I am in order to find a job.
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^ I can't believe you'd really have to change everything for a job like you want it... o_O;;;; it's not like you'd want to work in a bank or something...