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Who is Mr.Jones?

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Offline 003chan

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on: April 14, 2008, 05:36:13 PM
I finally listened to hide's Zilch album... there's one thing which kinda made me think a bit to much... the song "What's up Mr.Jones". It's not only that the tune is the same as Drain, but I speak more about the words. Have you think about it, anyone? Do you know when the text was written?
We all know that hide was against X's break-up and one of the main reasons for break-up was Toshi... so is Toshi the Mr.Jones, or is it only my overimagination and coincidence?

WHAT'S UP MR JONES?

Jones is so alone. One million miles from home
Sold your diamonds and dogs for some stones
You watched your starman drown and let your spiders down
Left your starman to die on his own

Cause you sold us a lie. But your starman is gone.
He's a star in the sky

Well this is ground control and we have got your soul
Meet the man who sold out to the world
You let your starman down. Mr. karma clown
You're no hero or mainman to me

YOU SOLD US A LIE WHILE WE CRIED IN PAIN
NOW YOU'RE SO ALONE LIKE A FLY IN THE RAIN
SO TIRED OUT. WHAT'S UP MR. JONES?
SO TRY IT OUT. WHAT'S UP MR. JONES?
SO TRY IT NOW. WHAT'S UP MR. JONES?
WHAT'S UP MR. JONES?

So alone one million miles from home
Like a magott you feed off yourself
So alone broke your spider's bones
Left your starman to die by yourself

YOU SOLD US A LIE. WHILE WE CRIED IN VAIN
NOW YOU'RE SO ALONE. LIKE A FLY IN THE RAIN
SO TRY IT OUT. WHILE WE CRIED IN VAIN
SO TRY IT NOW. LIKE A FLY IN THE RAIN
WHAT'S UP MR. JONES?.

for lyrics thanks to: http://www.geocities.com/cafele_psyence/



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Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 05:38:41 PM
Hmmm good point, didn't think of that... tbh I just ignored the lyrics, as most of the lyrics are slightly odd (Fuctrack 6 and Electric Cucumber come to mind...).
It could be Toshi, I suppose we'll never know...

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Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 06:02:21 PM
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You watched your starman drown and let your spiders down
Left your starman to die on his own

David Bowie?

The "starman" and "spiders" (from mars?) parts have got to be Bowie references, anyway.  Whether the whole song is about him or not, I don't know.

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Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 06:09:32 PM
I know i'm gonna be murdered for this,but IN MY OPINION he's reffering to himeslf considering his sarcasm.


still my opinion


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Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 06:31:47 PM
The whole lyric is one big fat tribute to David Bowie. I've found so many references I can't count them all here.


"Meet the man who sold out to the world" (The Man Who Sold The World)
"Starman" (Starman)
"Spiders" (Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders from Mars)
"This is ground control"  (Space Oddity)
"Diamonds and dogs" (Diamond Dogs)

All Bowie.



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Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 06:33:35 PM
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The whole lyric is one big fat tribute to David Bowie. I've found so many references I can't count them all here.


"Meet the man who sold out to the world" (The Man Who Sold The World)
"Starman" (Starman)
"Spiders" (Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders from Mars)
"This is ground control"  (Space Oddity)
"Diamonds and dogs" (Diamond Dogs)

All Bowie.



Damn.Pwned by Millie again :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D


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Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 06:34:42 PM
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Damn.Pwned by Millie again :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

SORRY <3
Actually I kinda started listening seriously to Bowie after falling for this song.



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Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 06:39:54 PM
Bloody hell.... good work Millie.


Guess that ends this discussion

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Reply #8 on: April 14, 2008, 06:53:06 PM
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Bloody hell.... good work Millie.


Guess that ends this discussion

Well, not necessarily. Jsut because hide used a lot of Bowie elements in the lyric, it doesn't mean that he had some kind of thought behind it, the way he put it together.
It could've been a way more positive song if he had wanted it to be.



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Reply #9 on: April 14, 2008, 07:09:48 PM
:wink:  Thanks Millie, very interesting info. There is still the "why" he wrote it like this, it strikes me as a bit hateful... but that's what we'll never know I guess  :idea:



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Reply #10 on: April 14, 2008, 08:33:14 PM
Hey, are you guys even sure that hide wrote the lyrics?

I'm not sure but I think I've seen somewhere that some of the other guys in the band did it, but I'm far from sure :)



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Reply #11 on: April 14, 2008, 08:58:45 PM
hide worte the lyrics and it the Mr Jones is David Bowie (real name: David Robert Jones). You should read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zilch_%28band%29

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Reply #12 on: April 14, 2008, 09:10:37 PM
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hide worte the lyrics and it the Mr Jones is David Bowie (real name: David Robert Jones). You should read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zilch_%28band%29

It's just another interpretation. Not solid proof.
But interesting nonetheless, someone's gone more deeply into it than I have XD'

EDIT: wow, after reading it more thoroughly it really seems like a direct attack on bowie. THat can't be! Bowie is lovely :(



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Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008, 09:24:03 PM
Interesting, interesting, interesting  8)  thanks Darkcat. Seems I don't have to go to sleep with that drastic idea, I came out with, in my mind  :lol:  thanks for good nights sleep  :D



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Reply #14 on: April 14, 2008, 09:47:34 PM
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Quote from: "Yu~Kun"

Damn.Pwned by Millie again :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D

SORRY <3
Actually I kinda started listening seriously to Bowie after falling for this song.




lolz!


I had been seriously listening to Bowie before that,but still it kinda strikes me like he's seeing some of Bowi'es personality elements or behavior or whatever in him.*in her own world*


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Reply #15 on: April 15, 2008, 01:02:55 PM
Yeah i also noticed that as Bowie is probably my favourite artist after X Japan. Good to see a connexion between the two :D

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Reply #16 on: April 15, 2008, 02:08:47 PM
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Yeah i also noticed that as Bowie is probably my favourite artist after X Japan. Good to see a connexion between the two :D




random and irrelevant,but he have the same hide plushie,rofl


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Reply #17 on: April 15, 2008, 03:55:27 PM
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Quote from: "TG"
Yeah i also noticed that as Bowie is probably my favourite artist after X Japan. Good to see a connexion between the two :D




random and irrelevant,but he have the same hide plushie,rofl


:) , lol at  first i thought you meant my sentence was random and irrelevant , i was confused haha.

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Reply #18 on: April 15, 2008, 04:08:52 PM
Quote from: "TG"
Quote from: "Yu~Kun"
Quote from: "TG"
Yeah i also noticed that as Bowie is probably my favourite artist after X Japan. Good to see a connexion between the two :D




random and irrelevant,but he have the same hide plushie,rofl


:) , lol at  first i thought you meant my sentence was random and irrelevant , i was confused haha.



looooooool no your sentence was cool!! :D


love your plushie anywayz! <3333333333333


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Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: "MillieQOF"
The whole lyric is one big fat tribute to David Bowie. I've found so many references I can't count them all here.


"Meet the man who sold out to the world" (The Man Who Sold The World)
"Starman" (Starman)
"Spiders" (Ziggy Stardust & The Spiders from Mars)
"This is ground control"  (Space Oddity)
"Diamonds and dogs" (Diamond Dogs)

All Bowie.


random input

Family friend of mine, managed Bowie for Diamond Dogs.. the record thingy award hangs above his fish tank with others.

random input


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Reply #20 on: April 18, 2008, 10:33:36 PM
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random input

Family friend of mine, managed Bowie for Diamond Dogs.. the record thingy award hangs above his fish tank with others.

random input


WOW.



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Reply #21 on: December 01, 2008, 07:41:34 AM
O.o it's a tribute...? personally I don't know what to think of that song since it sounds so... hateful... I know, he liked Bowie alot, but I still don't get why to write a song like that then... Because Ziggy Stardust died...?
Just a few thoughts... bah that song scares me >.<
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Reply #22 on: December 04, 2008, 09:39:22 PM
There are alot of Bowie references.

"You're no hero or mainman to me"  Is Reference to 'Heros'

And if I'm not mistaken there is a reference there to "Life on Mars."

David Bowie has had several 'persona's.... Aladdin Sane, Thin White Duke, Ziggy Stardust, Halloween Jack ...

Maverick - The "death of Ziggy Stardust" is in the lyrics

"Making love with his ego Ziggy sucked up into his mind
Like a leper Messiah
When the kids had killed the man I had to break up the band" (Last verse from Ziggy Stardust by David Bowie"

I think that album is titled "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust".  I had it at one time... but I think my cousin got it

David Bowie's name is really Davey Jones, but due to (I think) one of the Monkees or Partriges, he had to change his name



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Reply #23 on: December 05, 2008, 10:53:58 AM
Yes yes I know that all - I only don't get it why it's so hateful because all in all it sounds to me that he's actually AGAINST Bowie like someone who felt betrayed

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Reply #24 on: December 05, 2008, 09:13:14 PM
David Bowie's name is really Davey Jones, but due to (I think) one of the Monkees or Partriges, he had to change his name



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Great topic o_O I never saw those Bowie hints!



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Reply #25 on: December 09, 2008, 10:49:01 PM
*headwall* ok that way i never get my answer  ;D  probably toooooo deeeeeep in thought *drop*

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Reply #26 on: August 03, 2010, 02:24:20 PM
Yeah, I'm digging up a 2 year old topic. XD
It sounds like it's mostly about hide's dismay at Bowie killing off Ziggy Stardust. I don't think it's a direct attack as such. And even if it is, I still love this song and Bowie.



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Reply #27 on: August 03, 2010, 05:24:47 PM
Ziggy played guitarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..

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Reply #28 on: January 06, 2011, 03:03:07 AM
wow,  this topic is amazing,  however this song just sounds so..hateful,  maybe it isnt?  I dont know much on David Bowie,  i just started to listen to his music while reading this topic and etc etc.  and i must say, this is interesting.  We need more explanation on this XD



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Reply #29 on: January 06, 2011, 11:52:15 AM
I don't think he adresses Bowie in this song.
It would be too obvious.
I think he could be talking about himself.