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The band => The Concerts => X JAPAN World Tour => Topic started by: rafaelo on April 04, 2011, 11:11:07 AM
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13th and August 14th, will be conducted, the festival
SUMMER SONIC 2011
x-japan will touch it
more stuff
http://www.cinra.net/news/2011/04/04/180000.php
http://natalie.mu/music/news/47302
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/music/86250/full/
http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000068716
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And once again... english version here...
http://www.xplosion-online.com/index.php/en/news/x-japan-news/288-x-japan-playing-at-summer-sonic-2011
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How the fuck are Beady Eye billed higher than X Japan? That's massively disrespectful - Beady Eye are a new band, and their debut album has hardly set the world alight. They play tiny shows in the UK - and more to the point, are shit.
Obviously Liam Gallagher's inflated ego needs the billing. *Facepalm*
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its liam and the rest of oasis. i could see why their billed higher. theyre bigger here than x. in japan, thats another story lol
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this is in japan... shit lol
im sure x will end up headlining
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gah sorry for another post >.<
it seems x IS a headliner lol
as are the rhcp, the strokes, and beady eye
X also is in the last spot which generally is the best one
no need to worry!
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this is a must for me...
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Bands are usually asked what times they would prefer to play, and a lot of bigger bands play mid day or even night if they chose to close.
I wanted to go last year since so many bands I love were playing, but now this years lineup looks so much better an X Japan too huh.
sigh wish I could go to it but sadly wont be able to again
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Is it going be in this order
X JAPAN LIVE SUMMER SONIC 2011 in OSAKA
【 OCEAN STAGE 】
RED HOT CHILEPEPPERS
X JAPAN
YUKI
マキシマム ザ ホルモン
PANIC! AT THE DISCO
ZEBRAHEAD
HOLLYWOOD UNDEAD
MONA
NEON TREET
X JAPAN LIVE SUMMER SONIC 2011 in TOKYO
【 MARINE STAGE 】
RED HOT CHILEPEPPERS
X JAPAN
YUKI
マキシマム ザ ホルモン
PANIC! AT THE DISCO
ZEBRAHEAD
HOLLYWOOD UNDEAD
MONA
NEON TREET
http://xjapanx.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/2942/
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more details
show the X-japan
Summer Sonic 2011
http://www.summersonic.com/2011/lineup/
http://www.summersonic.com/2011/lineup/osaka.html
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Forgive me if this has been mentioned in this thread but I'm trying to buy a ticket for Summer Sonic but you have to choose L block or R block (is this left and right???). I don't know if it matter which one I buy but if it does, and I don't buy the block where X Japan is well...you can imagine.
Can anyone shed any light on this?
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out the time of concerts
13 days in X-japan 18; 00
http://www.summersonic.com/2011/timetable/osaka0813.html
on the second day shalt 17:50
http://www.summersonic.com/2011/timetable/tokyo0814.html
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Thanks Rafael. L and R thing still confusing. But, I have my ticket (L) so should be on the Pata/Heath side of the stage (sorry, Sugizo!).
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doesn´t really matter, I was at the very lefthand side in Berlin, couldn´t see Pata that often, but sometimes they move around :D
I do wish you a wonderfull concert, I´m a bit jealous, ´couse - Currywurst or not - don´t think they´ll come to Europe that soon :'(
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「SUMMER SONIC 2011」をWOWOWで放送決定!
http://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000893.000001355.html
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matter of Barks
http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000071804
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wow that is awesome they are right after Red Hot Chilli Peppers, yuki is cool but then マキシマム ザ ホルモン and PANIC! AT THE DISCO
that is an awesome stage right there, too bad I am not in Japan for Summer Sonic but I can look forward to them being live in Mexico September
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nope RHCP are after X on both nights
its up on the summersonic official site with set times and everything
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ah my bad well RHCP after X Japan is still awesome because they are on the same stage. What I would give to see this love sigh being poor sucks right now
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are the festival going to be broadcasted/streamed? i don't understand japanese.
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more stuff
http://mantan-web.jp/2011/08/12/20110812dog00m200034000c.html
sugizo-SUMMER SONIC
Tomorrow is the day of Summer Sonic Osaka.
The day after is Summer Sonic Tokyo.
As X JAPAN the show in Osaka is since so while ago, as myself since 14 months ago.
Both Tokyo and Osaka are the show in big festival in Japan since so long ago.
I get excited〜!
Primal Scream, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Suede, BEADY EYE and P.i.L.
Though there are too many artists I want to see,
I guess it is difficult to watch their show…
5 months has passed after the earthquake.
Music has started to be important after all.
I would like to perform with all my strength,
praying for our revival in this summer show.
And I would like to do everything I can do.
明日はサマソニ大阪、明後日はサマソニ東京。
X JAPANとしては超久々の、俺としては14ヶ月ぶりの大阪、
そして東京、大阪両公演とも日本での超久々のフェス、
燃え上がるぜ〜!
プライマル、レッチリ、Suede、BEADY EYE、そしてPIL、
観たいアーティストが目白押しなんだけど、
状況を考えると難しいだろうなぁ。。。
震災から5ヶ月、音楽の力がやっと重要な意味を持つようになった。
再生への祈りを込めて全身全霊で真夏のステージに臨みたい。
そして自分にできうる限りのことを全うしたい。
SGZ
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&¬e_id=179886618747654
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more stuff
http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/event/1069/Summer-Sonic-2011
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more stuff
http://www.timeout.jp/en/tokyo/event/1069/Summer-Sonic-2011
wth...where is X Japan in that line up listing for today? Its always been official that X Japan are playing both days, why is X not on the list for the 13th? Guess they just screwed up.
Also, from the article
"get ready for reformed lineups of bands from X Japan to Public Image Limited to (has it really come to this?) House of Pain. It's worth turning up early in the day to catch some of the younger, fresher artists"
wow, this guy is being a complete ass.
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X-Japan - no longer fresh enough tststs
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and this is what Yoshiki says, sounds much better than the other stuff :D
Yoshiki
..And today we're going to sing ”JADE” together... Ah~ you are beautiful, your scar is beautiful, like the JADE~~~ 今日は"JADE"をみんなで大合唱するぞ~!!
Published: 2011-08-13 06:13:22 GMT
Yoshiki
We're gonna play for HIDE... We're gonna play for TAIJI... and we're gonna play for... 今日は、HIDEのためにも、そしてTAIJIのためにも......
Yoshiki
...and we will play for the world!!! ....気合い入れて行くぞ!!!!!!! #WeAreX !!!
Published: 2011-08-13 06:21:21 GMT
source: via Facebook, taken from his twitter
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「SUMMER SONIC 2011」をWOWOWで放送決定!
http://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000893.000001355.html
This is a pay for view live stream from wowow I assume?
btw Rafealo, if they're playing at 18:00, shouldn't they have finished their set by now?
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SE.NEW OPENING
01.JADE
02.Rusty Nail
03.紅
04.Born To Be Free
05.I.V.
06.X
SE.Tears
Source: X Japan Experience
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/371837756.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1313248786&Signature=htiWUxLVNPwx%2Bu9yWY4gcD5HVTc%3D) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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nothing new
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They should be playing more than six songs, I know its not meant to be a full set, but other bands play more than six songs in their slots, X need to hurry up with starting songs, I bet the Kurenai intro(s) took half the set.
Edit: Don't bother looking for x japan videos of this on youtube yet, all you get is an end of the world conspiracy video.
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They should be playing more than six songs, I know its not meant to be a full set, but other bands play more than six songs in their slots, X need to hurry up with starting songs, I bet the Kurenai intro(s) took half the set.
yupp, and the other half was needed for Yoshiki sreeming, that everyone is X.... :P :P :P
so we have to wait until somebody, who was there, can report how it was, maybe we both failed and it was class instead of mass
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They do take too much time between songs but don't forget the average song length for X is probably 6 or 7 minutes...
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more stuff
http://www.barks.jp/feature/?id=1000072423
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I bet the "in the rain intro" took about as long as I.V. itslelf, plenty of time to fit another song in. oh well.
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taken from facebook via Yoshiki Twitter
Yoshiki
I just came back at the hotel from the show...and people in Osaka were AMAZING!!!...and... 今大阪の会場からホテルに戻ってきたよ!本当にみんなすごかった...! そして...
Published: 2011-08-13 12:58:51 GMT
Yoshiki
...you gave us the energy... 本当にみんなからたくさん元気をもらった...
Published: 2011-08-13 13:02:50 GMT
Yoshiki
... and we played with HIDE and Taiji in our hearts tonight... 心の中でHIDE とTaijiと一緒に演奏したよ....
Published: 2011-08-13 13:11:43 GMT
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video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czmFioyIXI0[/youtube]
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GUYS, GUYS! SUGIZO IS PLAYING THE SOLO FOR KURENAI! X played a show without playback! I'm so happy about this :D
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if I´m not totally wrong, he did it in Berlin too, please correct me if it´s not right...
but yes it´s good with out the playback now, I think it was OK after the reunion, but Sugizo is the leadguitarist, so he shall play...
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if I´m not totally wrong, he did it in Berlin too, please correct me if it´s not right...
but yes it´s good with out the playback now, I think it was OK after the reunion, but Sugizo is the leadguitarist, so he shall play...
Sugizo played some parts of it in Berlin, but most of it was playback.
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@ Mixu: ThanX, didn´t got this, because I was on thr left hand side of the sage, couldn´t see that clearly...
that means, they have to come back to Berlin just in an instant and play without playback, anyone agree with me?
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Sans the unsurprising set-list, Toshi's voice sounds amaaaazing. o_o
Sounds like there were a few mixups on the guitar parts, but so is the curse of every performance being filmed by fans. =P
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Sugizo playing the Kurenai solo, at last, yay!
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more stuff
http://www.sanspo.com/geino/news/110814/gnj1108140505010-n2.htm
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more stuff
http://jisin.jp/serial/%E3%82%A8%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF%E3%83%A1/X_JAPAN/4166
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i dont really like toshi keep wearing the same outfit ....
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I never have seen a band where fans were complaining so much about everything. Poor boys, they simply cannot do anything right ::)
Thanks for posting all the links, Rafaelo :)
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEQE9wAEbh8[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2tfGUJoAz4[/youtube]
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There was a major screw up during Jade, I think it was Yoshiki from the sounds of it because the guitars were still going. Its not the first time he's dropped his drumsticks so I wouldn't be suprised if he did it again.
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X JAPAN, a press conference!
http://ro69.jp/blog/rockinon/56339
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set list today
01.SE
02.Jade
03.Rusty nail
04.Kurenai.
05endless rain
06BornToBeFree
07I.V.
08X
09Tears(EndSE)
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here he talks about the show summer sonic
about taiji is hide
and a tour in South America
http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/music/2000765/full/
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Ina blog
http://blog.livedoor.jp/area014/archives/51762149.html
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wow, so many updates ^^ Thanks, Rafaelo :)
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http://mantan-web.jp/2011/08/14/20110814dog00m200019000c.html
なお、WOWOWでは、2日間の東京公演の模様をまとめた「SUMMER SONIC 2011」ダイジェストスペシャルを9月16日深夜0時に放送する予定。(毎日新聞デジタル)
In addition, in WOWOW, summarizes the pattern of performance in Tokyo Day 2 "SUMMER SONIC 2011" will be broadcast at midnight on September 16, a special digest.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U70sUNjGOjo[/youtube]
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Around the middle of the video I think they're having a minutes' silence, I'm not sure if its for Taiji, hide or the tsunami victims or maybe its all three.
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X
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv8Eo8C9atg[/youtube]
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IV
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R9AtBQwjyg[/youtube]
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photos of the show today
http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000072431&p=0
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more photos
http://natalie.mu/music/news/54831
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Toshi looks kool here. ^_^
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s77/hyde26_2007/news_large_IMG_7595.jpg)
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more stuff
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/news/2011/08/15/kiji/K20110815001417000.html
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Yeah I like that look of Toshi there ^_^ .
Thanks for bringing lots of updates, Rafaelo.
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Good Kurenai :
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYngwAhY0Nk[/youtube]
Rusty Nail
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNASPnwvWBQ[/youtube]
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http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/08/x-japan-puts-on-a-spirited-show-at-summer-sonic/
LOL, album 99,5% done!! hahaha . released end of the year, i hope so
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Thanks for the videos and informations about the concerts.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEQD6vDsehg[/youtube]
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http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/08/x-japan-puts-on-a-spirited-show-at-summer-sonic/
LOL, album 99,5% done!! hahaha . released end of the year, i hope so
Of course that .1% only goes up by one every three months XD.
Even with the good footage of Jade, I still can't tell what went so badly wrong that they had to stop playing.
Thanks for the videos rafealo/autumnglitter.
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oh, Kurenai sounds soo cool. Toshi seems to be in a very good state (as well as the whole band, of course)
And.. Yoshiki plays drums with his jacket on? that's weird x_x
Wanna see the performance in HD *__*
Thanks for the vids ^.^
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80N3FfXyK5s[/youtube]
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more stuff is video
http://www.wws-channel.com/news/summersonic2011_xjapan/
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I have to love all the video's and thank ppl who posted them so atleast I get a semi experience of how Summer Sonic went. Haven't had time to watch them all but I have been keeping up with yoshiki since he has been mass posting on facebook lol.
New asia tour announced which is cool he will feel home for awhile before returning back to his home in LA.
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http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/08/x-japan-puts-on-a-spirited-show-at-summer-sonic/
LOL, album 99,5% done!! hahaha . released end of the year, i hope so
Of course that .1% only goes up by one every three months XD.
Even with the good footage of Jade, I still can't tell what went so badly wrong that they had to stop playing.
Thanks for the videos rafealo/autumnglitter.
probably sound system problem, sunddenly blackoff, cause the orchestra went off suddnely as well
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I posted on my YouTube channel this video here
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j1jZXacO1c[/youtube]
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I posted on my YouTube channel this video here
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j1jZXacO1c[/youtube]
0:22 Oh ffs Sugizo!
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I saw them on Sunday. They were, of course, GREAT! I have no idea how they perform in the sweltering heat in all that garb, especially Toshi who was decked out in all his expensive gear, including...aggghhh...GLOVES! OMG!
They were followed by the Red Hot Chili Peppers who are dynamic!
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Sugizo.... facepalm XDXD
They have 99.5% of album, yeah? So I think they still don't have a cover of it....
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Sugizo.... facepalm XDXD
They have 99.5% of album, yeah? So I think they still don't have a cover of it....
Or title...haha.
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Final touches are still missing. ;)
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X JAPAN『ENDLESS RAIN 』@summer sonic 2011
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_RXIF5b44g[/youtube]
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more photos
http://facttraction.info/Content/AudioVisual/X-JAPAN-at-SUMMER-SONIC-Tokyo-Aug-14th-2011-Gallery.html
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recently, why they always shorten up endless rain song when they performed? any idea aboutthis?
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recently, why they always shorten up endless rain song when they performed? any idea aboutthis?
Probably because of time. It was Summer Sonic, so they had a tight time frame to keep on.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U70sUNjGOjo[/youtube]
well, hope it's the right video..
maybe, they should stop the four minutes screaming WE ARE and play drain, week end or more endless rain..
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Toshi looks kool here. ^_^
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s77/hyde26_2007/news_large_IMG_7595.jpg)
Toshi looks like Yoko Ono. Weirdddd
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more video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1mFM3fDYZY[/youtube]
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recently, why they always shorten up endless rain song when they performed? any idea aboutthis?
Probably because of time. It was Summer Sonic, so they had a tight time frame to keep on.
dont think so, europe tour also the same if i m not mistaken.. also silent jealousy, they never played the drum solo part before the guitar solo
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It was shortened on the America tour last year as well.
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Toshi looks like Yoko Ono. Weirdddd
Or Kim Jong Il.
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like Yoko Ono - so let´s hope he will be smart like her with financial stuff :-)
like Kim Jong Il - autsch!
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Toshi looks like Yoko Ono. Weirdddd
Or Kim Jong Il.
(http://images0.cpcache.com/product/121679660v5_480x480_Front.jpg)
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http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/08/x-japan-puts-on-a-spirited-show-at-summer-sonic/
LOL, album 99,5% done!! hahaha . released end of the year, i hope so
Of course that .1% only goes up by one every three months XD.
Even with the good footage of Jade, I still can't tell what went so badly wrong that they had to stop playing.
Thanks for the videos rafealo/autumnglitter.
probably sound system problem, sunddenly blackoff, cause the orchestra went off suddnely as well
I don't think it was a screw up, but something prepared. You can see how Yoshiki starts playing the drums and then suddenly stands up as everything goes silent. It looks like a little surprise, something new to sing along with the fans. Apparently he mentioned something about the chorus in Twitter before the show.
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here the X-japan
praise
The growth of Korean music K-pop
http://www.allkpop.com/2011/08/japanese-rock-group-x-japan-praises-k-pop-and-its-artists#disqus_thread
http://contents.innolife.net/news/list.php?ac_id=7&ai_id=136863
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this interview is very cool
with YOSHIKI
http://tvpot.daum.net/v/35208553?lu=flvPlayer_out
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbEUL2Iad3o&sns=em[/youtube]
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was able to go to summer sonic 2011 in osaka.. got a few crappy pics here coz i'm scared of being caught. it was my first time to be at a summer sonic event as well as see x japan, live.. it was truly unforgettable.
while setting up the stage for x japan
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/img2045large.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/691/img2050large.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/30/img2048large.jpg/
during their set
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/703/img2053large.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/844/img2051large.jpg/
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greyhavens, awesome still it's nice to see fans who got to go because tons of us didn't.
How was the event for you overall?
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Summer sonic reportage of the show
X-japan tokyo
http://facttraction.info/Content/Articles/Reports/Reports-X-JAPAN-at-SUMMER-SONIC-Tokyo-2011.html
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greyhavens, awesome still it's nice to see fans who got to go because tons of us didn't.
How was the event for you overall?
thanks.. it was my first to be go to summer sonic as well as see X-Japan live so it's truly one unforgettable moment in my life. i've seen con videos of X-Japan but it's really different if you personally witness the performance. aside from the band's awesome perf, you get to feel the crowd.. finally got to do my x jump with them.. haha.. i still feel goosebumps thinking about it. the set was a bit short for me though and not that grandiose, which is understandable since it's not a full concert. i want to watch more which i might do soon.. i already got tix for their s. korea con.. can't wait to watch their full concert.. ;)
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X JAPAN SUMMER SONIC 2011」をオンエア!
http://news.walkerplus.com/2011/0915/32/
http://news.thetv.jp/article/24637/
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXpKemXwRY4[/youtube]
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EPIC! X IS STILL THE BEST!!
i even like sugizo's version of the solo! good performance by them all! ^_^
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_6tCf4jobA[/youtube]
Kurenai
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvW7ejKo6mI[/youtube]
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Thanks for the videos.
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Here interviews, photos
http://facttraction.info/Content/New/X-JAPAN-at-SUMMER-SONIC-Press-Conference-Translation-and-Gallery.html
http://facttraction.info/Content/Articles/Reports/Reports-X-JAPAN-at-SUMMER-SONIC-Press-Conference.html
http://facttraction.info/Content/AudioVisual/X-JAPAN-SUMMER-SONIC-Press-Conference-Gallery.html
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Rusty Nail and Kurenai.
You see that quick transition to Kurenai after rusty nail, why can't they be more like that.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izV32zyta8U[/youtube]
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I don't believe that transition was like that in real time...I think it's the way the video is edited. There's no way they'd do it that fast haha.
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Actually now that I think about it I wouldn't want them to cut out hide's opening, oh wait they don't do it anymore.
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haha it gotta be editted.. don't think Yoshiki got enough time to wear his red shirt in such a short time
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haha it gotta be editted.. don't think Yoshiki got enough time to wear his red shirt in such a short time
Facepalming myself for not noticing that. lol
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X Japan in Argentina
http://picasaweb.google.com/110281808052627790212/XJapanNaArgentina#
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbfAxZbuZ2I&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AMJYyl6WOQ[/youtube]
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BTBF is sooo cool =)
If Toshi had not screamed that much though, it'd have been even better ^_-
Thanx for HD!
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i really miss the awesome guitar solos in the new songs :(
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BTBF is sooo cool =)
If Toshi had not screamed that much though, it'd have been even better ^_-
Thanx for HD!
I'll copypasta what I said on another forum because I'm too lazy to rewrite:
I officially still think that the song is annoyingly repetitive, the guitar solo is bad and Sugizo pretending to sing back vocals is another piece of crap. I kinda hate this song.
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@Joker: yep, it has some imperfection, but still, I like it somehow ^^ Maybe because it's something 'new.' Although Sugizo pretending to sing annoys me, too.. as well as Toshi screaming, haha
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X JAPAN LIVE at サマソニ 2011
放送日時:12/1(木)午後2:00
放送居:WOWOW
http://www.wowow.co.jp/pg_info/detail/051519/index.php?m=01#content
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@Joker: yep, it has some imperfection, but still, I like it somehow ^^ Maybe because it's something 'new.' Although Sugizo pretending to sing annoys me, too.. as well as Toshi screaming, haha
I don't see why it had to be a violetUK/catwalk/pop woman singing the backing vocals in the first place, why is Yoshiki trying to 'pop' up the new songs like that? This is a heavy metal band, more and more he forgets that. Why couldn't they just record Toshi for the backing vocals, it makes no sense at all. Also I think the only reason Toshi was screaming is because his voice was weak and cracking at this show and he had to something other than singing at points, I'm not sure I'll have to rewatch the video.
Btw, sorry for being off the forum for a while guys, I've just lost interest in the band right now unless something big happens or something improves.
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I supposed Toshi's voice was cracking because of screaming too much, 'cause during Kurenai he sounded much better -_-' IDK though..
Yes, X is a metal band, but what's distinguished them from others is their experiments with mixing smth that cannot be mixed together ^^ Even if it is weird sometimes. So, I'd consider BTBF to be another experiment of X's *or Yoshiki's*. And it depends on everyone's taste whether it's a fail or a hit.
BTW, dont know why but I do like the backing vocals, even though it'd be better if Sugizo sang 'em >_>
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what's distinguished them from others is their experiments with mixing smth that cannot be mixed together
They were best at that in 1990-1993 when they were mixing about three ballads amongst their 20 song setlist of songs like Standing sex, not only is three songs one more song than a huge amount of other metal bands would play, but it wasn't just the number, it was the style of the ballads, these are really sad ballads, way sadder and more classic/w orchestra than any other band would play next to their metal epics. Also the small portion of ballad type breaks in songs like Kurenai was unique, but they didn't abuse it like now.
They were best at the unique veriety of ballads and metal back then.
Something Yoshiki also doesn't realise, you can't come out saying "this next song Jade, is going to be the most heavy song X Japan has ever made" or "we're gonna rock the house down with this/these new songs", or a type of comment like that about the current setlist/jade/btbf when you're the person who made Blue Blood, Standing Sex, Vanishing Love, Stab me in the back etc. When you've made those types of songs you can't claim anything like "we're gonna rock the house down" with Jade or change history by trying to ignore and forget the past. That's just what I think about a band anyway.